Arsenal Banter Archive May 10 2014

10 May 2014 19:17:30
So lots of rumours about Wilshere, Ramsey and Diaby all being in the squad (and Gibbs too) so what team should we put out to win the game, not risk injury to key players and keep the recent buzz going?

For me, the back five should be:

Szczesny, Jenkinson, Koscielny, Mertesacker, Gibbs

Shez as he's going for the golden gloves. Jenks needs a game and show us what he can do. Plus Sagna is doubtful. I would personally wouldn't rest Per and Kos. Play them. Get another clean sheet together. Build further confidence ahead of the final. Gibbs needs to play to get match fitness and sharpness for the final.

The midfield should be:

Arteta and Ramsey ahead of them I would have Poldi, Ozil and Cazorla and Giroud up front.

I would start with a pretty much full strength team, start strong, get a lead and then bring off the big guns. Subs like Diaby (nice for him to get out and play). Send on Wilshere and Rosicky from the bench to take off key players and give them time on the pitch.

I fancy 3-0

GREENY
Im with you on that, but if sagna fit I would play him
He has been a good servant to us even if he goes

{Ed025's Note - im with you taffy...he is your best full back..so play him!..i dont hold with this loyalty lark, if your in a cup final, you play your best side, end of..

Sorry ed25 what do we owe sagna, he's choosing to leave, we've made more than fair he'd made it clear he wants more

so why would I trust or even want him near the squad now i'd be packing his stuff and pushing him through the door, sorry maybe its the line of work i'm in but christ I resign and i'm out the door in 30 mins on gardening leave

end of contract is the same, season finished he's out the door on gardening leave, how are we supposed to trust him having 100% arsenal interests in him

sorry but its all f****** money orientated and are you seriously telling me he ain't set for life on the 65k a week he's had for 8 years from us? maybe we should have given him a payrise, but well he was happy to sign on at the rate at the time

so I say jenko is the choice as I can't trust sagna to want the best for arsenal if he did why hasn't he signed on

sorry for the rant but this hiding behind excuses from players like fabregas cole van persie all saying its for this xyz reason, end of the day they all have $ signs in their eyes and if at 65k a week I wasn't set for life in 8 years then i'd only be able to blame myself

{Ed025's Note - i totally agree G74, on the greed that motivates players these days... im just saying that arsenal should play their strongest side mate and im afraid that means sagna should play..

I'm guilty of cutting of my nose to spite my face ed025, I really want to take a stand I mean i'd consider myself well paid but christ i'd love 65k a week, I mean in 8 years I could do all the stuff the wife has on the list of home improvements lol

but I think she is a one off (please post this as anon lol)

but what level of confidence could you give jenko by giving him a start?

no disrespect to hull but i'd hope he could cope with them, if not we have big issues at right back, its not like he will be up against hazard et al

i will probably live to regret that but its just mho

{Ed025's Note - we all have opinions G74 mate...but how would you feel if a mistake by a stand in (whether it be fabianski, jenko or a another) caused arsenal to lose the cup?...play the strongest side for me fella..

G74
Sagna has been a great servant to the club.
im with ED.lets get this 1st trophy.
Christ if we loose and Lord Wenger plays the carling cup side, we will all be calling for his head
For me
Get three up bring sagna of to a standing ovation,
We need this trophy, to kick on.
If we loose I think we will spiral down hill fast

10 May 2014 18:52:23
So, as yesterday's poll showed, 76% of people here would be happy with signing Remy.

Can someone tell me what I'm missing in this bloke?

That sounds incredibly sarcastic, but it's not intentional!

Remy is a good player, he's not a great player.
His main asset is his pace, his finishing is good and his goal return this season hasn't been too bad, but not near as good as Giroud's, and I don't want Giroud as first choice either!

Remy will realistically cost us a decent sum (I'm not going to pretend to know how to value players, as much as I enjoy it. ) but surely it'd be worth throwing a bit more cash into a bid for someone vastly superior?

It'll never happen now, but imagine if Özil/Ramsey/Walcott/Cazorla were feeding Suarez?
He'd be close to treble figures by now.
(I like to exaggerate)

Personally I'd prefer us to buy a big name, but even if we don't, I'd prefer even the likes of Wilfred Bony!

He may cost us a bit more and may only have one EPL season under his belt, but his physical build alone just screams trouble.

A player that won't be bullied, won't be pushed off the ball, like giroud, but with good movement and a turn of pace.

That sort of player would be hitting 30 with the supply we give strikers.



A good striker, good RB and a good DM have to be our priorities this season I feel.



I just don't get all the fuss over Remy.
(Famous last words)

Peace!

He offers what we need, and he's a very realistic signing.

Personally I think Remy is shopping at waitrose which is both nice and affordable but it ain't the very best that's going to blow your dinner guests socks off

Quote ' Remy is a good player. He's not a great player, unquote.

Before great players become great players they are good players.

Remy is a good player, stick him in an Arsenal shirt and he will become a great player.

{Ed025's Note - if you put a fur coat on a prostitute, it does not make her a lady...just a prostitute in a fur coat..

IDK ed, but if your putting coats ON your prossies, you must be a bloody caring pimp!

{Ed025's Note - you have got to protect your interests GL.. :)

Lol good analogy Ed025, made me laugh.

I'm sorry but I must be dumb what exactly does remy offer that we don't have in theo? if anything theo offers better pace better touch and more fluidity with team position

would I trust remy on his own upfront I might cause i've had to trust giroud against all the big teams so remy might have something different but I think we're trading bottom end motors for bottom end motors (giroud/remy that is)

we need someone to borrow that extra 20 on top of the 10 deposit you have and get a fast muscle power motor but with the finesse of a merc/bmw/audi ie 95% of the time very comfortable with and reliable but capable of springing a surprise

God you guys have posh prossies, ours only have a sheep skin rug on

{Ed025's Note - you have to go for the top end of the market taff..

Ed 025. On the 'Fur Coat' analogy. In the past I had been out with a few mooses. But after a few drinks they started to look good. So I don't know if that analogy is always right. Maybe having loads of booze works better.LOL

{Ed025's Note - it does for me golds, every pint takes a stone off them, i once went to bed with audrey hepburn,,and woke up with bella emberg!..

Ed025,
you keep mentioning Bella Emberg.
Secret crush mate?

{Ed025's Note - its just something about her dags..i do like a bit of meat on the bone mate.. :)

I think she has a little more than a 'bit' of meat Ed, but I know where you are coming from mate.

He offers height and strength compared to theo and he offers pace compared to Giroud and has a 1 in 2 goal record in the prem playing for QPR and Newcastle respectively. I think he will be brilliant for us with Theo, Ozil, Cazorla and Rambo feeding him!

10 May 2014 17:21:32
EDS
Can we ask the room, if they think we will win the f a cup.
I know we all hope.but let's see people putting their name down saying yes or no.nothing worse the a clever D==k, telling us all on Sunday! told you we would loose, Wenger out.
So I will start
Welsh gooner. YES 3-1

2-0 Giroud double

I think we will win 3-0

Scorers: Cazorla, Giroud and Poldi

Arsenal 4 Hull city 0

DAGS,, can u clarify, do you mean to own goals, lol
GREENY,, I think they will get one, let's not hope it the 1st or will that be a hard game
STEVIE
Wow man youve taken a happy pill,
i hope I can count on yr vote, when I text the queen for a knighthood .for lord wenger.
God I would love thatgreat score/
EDS feel free to post your predictions

{Ed025's Note - im going 1-0 the arsenal, hull will be hard to break down, but mertz will head in a corner in the 67th minute.. :)

I think we will murder them Iam going for pods or giroud to scor two

2 - 0 Koscielny & Arron :-)

Don't be nasty Welsh, lol

5-2 for me

goals in this order(a for arsenal h for hull not home n away)

A
H
A
-Halftime
A
H
A
A

Not sure I want to commit as its usually the opposite just ask my bookie, he's in the seychelles after he bought it from my account profits

so in the interests of helping arsenal i'm going hull 1-0

If we put out the team we should be playing with I:E the best available and not "who shall we play first and put the best ones on if we are struggling " scenario again. We should be winning by at least 5 goals.

{Ed025's Note - i have a feeling it will not be as easy as you think golds even with the best team out, bruce knows how to set up a team not to lose..

Ed025. let's have a bet. If I'm right and it's 5. I owe you a moose. If you are right you owe me one in a fur coat. LOL.

{Ed025's Note - its on mate..

10 May 2014 16:43:46
Yesterday's Arsenal poll of the day.

Would Loic Remy be a good signing?

74% said yes.

See, told you I was right, lol.

Dags I don't want good signings and I don't want a good season, I want a great signing and a great season. I think too many people are accepting good.

Steve,

Thierry was good when he signed for us.

Pires was good when he signed.

Petit was good when he signed.

Vieira was good when he signed.

Overmars was good when he signed.

Anelka was good when he signed.

Bergkamp was good when he signed.

Keown was good when he signed.

Bould was good when he signed.

Fabregas was good when he signed.

RVP was good when he signed.

K Toure was good when he signed.

Clichy was good when he signed.

Nasri was good when he signed.

Wright was good when he signed.

I think you know where I am going with this.
How many great players do Arsenal sign?
Not many, but we turn them into great players and hopefully, unlike previous seasons, we can keep hold of them and not sell them to our rivals, thus making them stronger and us weaker.

Bottom line, I have said it before and I will say it again, and it's only MY opinion, if we sign Loic Remy, we will turn him into a great player, and when I say great, I mean on a par with Thierry Henry.

{Ed025's Note - remy will never be on a par with henry dags!...lets be honest, who the hell could be?...for me the greatest player ever to grace the premiership..so please dont mention average players like remy in the same breath mate..

I agree with that Steve.r

DAGS
Bouldie, not shore his was great when he signed.i think stoke had a poor defencive record, when we signed them two.
Just wish he would move and shout abit on the bench.or even help Lord Wenger with that coat.you think arsenal must have lost loads of sales as the zips are faulty.
Steve .great doesn't come every year, but this year its OUR time
I hope if we win F A cup
Wenger text the portuguese Pratt and says
FAILURE

Ed025,

Mate you have to look at the bigger picture.

Who, realistically, can Arsenal buy?

Mandzukic? Too similar to Giroud and Bayern won't let him go.

Diego Costa? yes please but Chelsea bound and too expensive for Arsene.

Edison Cavani? He will either stay at PSG or go to one of the Manc clubs, plus too expensive.

Luis Suarez? Will stay at Liverpool or go to Real Madrid.

Aguero/Dzeko? No chance.

So, that in mind, this is where realism comes into play.
I would love a choice of 3 realistic strikers.
Jackson Martinez. Affordable and I think would jump at the chance of leaving Porto to enhance his career. Form an orderly queue please.

Wilfred Bony. Yes please, absolute beast and a good goal scorer. One season wonder?

My first choice. Loic Remy. Premier league experience. Will cost approx £12-15m, Wenger will happily pay that.
Goal scoring record? 1 every 2 games for struggling Newcastle and QPR.

Stick him in an Arsenal shirt and he will bang you 25/30 every season.

Re my comment about comparison's to Thierry.
Who was Henry when we signed him? A nobody left-winger from Juventus who had a scoring record of 1 in 6 games.

Wenger saw the potential and stuck him upfront, the rest is history.

I'm not comparing Remy to Henry, just saying he has the same potential mate.

I know you know your Everton, so here's a retorical question for you.
Apart from Dixie Dean, who is Everton's legendary striker?

Did you say Graham Sharp?
Is that the same Graham Sharp you signed from Dunbarton who has a scoring record of 1 in 3 when you signed him?

Was he a legend when you signed him?
Of course not, but he fitted into Everton's style of play and became a legend.

My point above was that Remy is a realistic signing, a good goal scorer, has pace to burn and will fit into Arsenal's style of play.

He is not a Thierry.
He is not a legend.

But, given the chance, he can be.

Remember Ed025, from small acorns mighty oaks grow.

{Ed025's Note - bob latchford for me dags..everton legend..on remy, he is a moody so and so, who spits his dummy out when things aren,t going his way, and can be a disruptive influence in the dressing room, has good ability, and will stand out in poor teams like QPR and newcastle, but in my humble opinion is never going to be a stand out player at arsenal mate..

Ed,

Fairplay, I forgot about Bob Latchford.

But, still the same thing mate.

I think you signed him from Birmingham and his record for them was 1 goal every 3 games.
Not the stuff of legends. Can you see where in coming from?.

{Ed025's Note - i can dags, i just hope you dont find out that im right mate..

Ed, its a gamble that could go either way mate, but what signing isn't?.

we could sign Messi and he could turn out to be a nightmare signing.
Do you think Roman Abramovich thinks the £50m he spent in Torres was money well spent?

{Ed025's Note - i dont suppose he does dags, but him losing that is like me or you losing a fiver!, all transfers are a guess mate, but some clubs can afford a monumental cock up, unfortunately arsenal cannot..

Dags are you arsene on the quiet?, no disrespect but I see where you are coming from but the key single factor for the arsenal success of old and arsenal new in the lack of size and power, we've failed with barca experiment

we can afford the likes of ozil/ramsey/wilshere/cazorla but we can't afford to play them all together whilst we don't have the dominant midfielder

ala viera/petit/edu - now for me someone we should be bendiing over to get is bender, but I refer to my post above we desperately need a striker that puts the fear of god into top teams

only have to look at the successful teams they all have 1 if not 2 players and all the peeps slating ozil I say wait till next season with ramsey and walcott back

my outside bet assuming he's fit all season will be walcott outscores giroud next season

simple reason is theo is the sort of player that can breach the offside and ozil will find him.

i saw it forming before theo got injured just watch the spurs games

thats my most exciting prospect next season bar a new striker

Totally agree with you there Ed.

Gooner74,

For me, Theo is one of the best right wingers in the business.

He has pace, is good at beating the full-back, scores goals and has a great assist record.

Why would you take that away and play him upfront?

DAGS
im with you, theo is a top winger, I think he is not strong enough up front, he would get bullied.
Look at sauraz.augero, they small but powerfull,
im not sure about remy, if i'm honest was hopping for a Big name .but hell who ever we buy from abroad its going to be costly

I don't think remy is all that. I don't think he is much of an improvement on giroud besides pace.

did he make the national squad? i'm unaware but i'm sure giroud will be going.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think it has been announced yet lakes..

10 May 2014 16:38:02
Just had my annual medical.

Doc said, "Don't eat anything fatty".

I said, "What, like burgers and fried food?".

He said, "No, just don't eat anything, fatty".

:):) brilliant DG:):)
laughed a long time with this one:):)
Ffin doctors:):P
COYG andi:)

{Ed025's Note - it was a good one that andi, but his best one is....remy can be as good as henry!...that one had me rolling around the floor mate..

Ooohh Ed,

Trust me mate, I will be proven correct if/when we sign him.

Ps, did I tell you I was his agent?

Come on mate, 5% is not to be sniffed at, lol.

Ps, thanks Andi

Dags the agent explains a lot lol

i can see the train of thought but i'm with ed025 on this he just doesn't look the same player

i think we stick and twist with theo, he's looking more like henry but I have to say i'm looking from a long way away with the equivalent of the huble telescope from my home planet :)

on my home planet not other teams exist and we're by far the greatest the world has ever seen :)

Lol,
'Gooner74 land' sounds like a nice place mate.

10 May 2014 08:50:56
Ed's the Simple solution to the Man £ity FFP is each year they qualify for CL is put them in pot 4 in the group stages making it difficult to get out of group. Same with PSG and others who aren't playing by the FFP rules. What do you think guys and eds? 1 week to go COYG

Not sure that would work mate, you would be punishing other teams in their group

The best punishment I've seen suggested is banning any new signings from being able to play in the ECL. They could even make it retrospective, like, if a team is found to be in breach of FFP for the last 2 years, then any signings in the last 2 years are ineligible for the ECL. UEFA gets to keep the big clubs in the ECL but FFP punishments would have a real effect as clubs will be restricted in player negotiations.

Outback I Its think that's uafa's best ever I idea, banning new signings from that years competition is perfect.
Has real teeth but isn't so harsh as to provoke any real support for the attending clubs who appeal.
To me that punishment fits the crime the best.

If they break the rules ban from from Champs League for one season. Simple.

The rules are plain and simple and are put into place to try to make thing's fairer for everybody, to create a more level playing surface.

If you break them than you should be punished, and the punishment should not be a fine, but a much more severe form of punishment.

The FFP rules are almost unenforceable as they are. UEFA have no stomach for kicking out teams who break the rules as they are invariably the big teams that bring the TV interest and all the sponsorship money. I think a solution may be to introduce a penalty point system for clubs that break the rules, say a 1 point deduction during the group stages for every £5million over the allowed amount. it would make any decision to overspend a calculated one?

10 May 2014 08:01:07
whoops - didn't finish.

No other side would be able to play to the same standard if they were to lose for a long period 4 out of their 5 best midfield players. I don't like to whinge about injuries but even by Arsenal standards this was a freak event.

I think the problem is Excilled no one would bet serious money the same thing won't happen again next season, be them reasons or excuses people are fed up with hearing them.
Spend the money on the best we can buy and chances are we will be almost injury free next season its often how things happen, but its belt and braces no risks taken time, we can't afford to have another season where 4th place is celebrated like a trophy.

Totally agree Gent's.