Arsenal Banter Archive September 10 2014

10 Sep 2014 21:10:04
Banbury and Ed you mock me for using journalists opinions on football to back up my own?
At the end of the day, like them or not, they have made a career on giving their football opinion out, people pay to hear what they have to say.
And if you two like it or not, no one would pay to hear any of your football opinions.

And mocking Barton is even worse, the guy has made a career out of playing the game and Jack's position in particular.

Sorry boys :/

(ps you say don't take things so seriously but you jump down anyone throats with an opposing opinion to yourself, you included Ed)

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea about which Ed you are grizzling about, but I could introduce you to good straight up journalists who do a neat job and equally self-promoting mothers looking for a career boost.}

Ahhhhhhh I am understanding it now, to know anything about football you have to be a journalist .

I would saying playing at a decent level and being paid for it, is always a good start as it gives you a bit of an idea.

What think you LG x

10 Sep 2014 21:45:02
Jeez LG, lighten up

10 Sep 2014 22:30:23
Barton may of made a name as a footballer, but he's made a bigger name as a complete tool.
I'd never take anything he says seriously.

Little gunner, people buy papers to read a paper. Not for a particular journalist. Some people respect these people's opinions, but generally people that have a clue do not. Just like people who have a clue tend not to trust the people writing at the front half of the paper also. And what kind of argument is that anyway? People don't want to hear our opinions because we chose a different career path. If we decided to be journalists, and thus managed to forge a career in journalism, probably starting in an area of journalism unrelated to sport like the people you mentioned, then people might want to hear our opinions. That doesn't make them any more valid. In fact, maybe less, because I'd have spent the past 10 years of my life working 14 hours a day as a journalist, writing articles in the evenings, sending around cv's, and not concentrating on football as much as the average football fan.

Banbury, I've never been of the opinion playing football means you'll have a good knowledge of the game. So many footballers talk rubbish and haven't got a clue. I'd say there are more footballers who've played in the football league that don't have a good in depth knowledge of the ins and outs of the game than do. One example is Ian Wright. Legend and great player, but as a football pundit? Not good.

All il say to this is. Oh dear

10 Sep 2014 23:01:10
Dags - same old. I tried having a debate, Ed25 and Banbury started on me. Don't try and make out this is my fault again.
Mgm - he (Barton) is a tool, but a tool that knows that he's talking about, he would of been more successful as a footballer if it wasn't for the antics, he's a very decent player!
CS - playing football does not guarantee you know your stuff but it sure helps. The details professional clubs so into to improve performance are unreal, unbelievable if you didn't know different. And being subjected to that most days of your career sure will make you understand the game much more than your average Joe.

{Ed007's Note -

Lol

CS

My point poorly mad, nearly as bad as your example is that, let's use Wrighty, he will have a much better understanding of the game than a back of the paper journalist, he has played top flight football.

Being a pundit, is totally different, and I can't see where I said that?

Im talking knowledge of the game, being in certain situations.

I played at a decent level and some of my mates who hardly played have no understanding of reading a game, pace of a game, positioning. Blah blah blah

10 Sep 2014 23:42:15
C S, fantastic post.

LG, I said lighten up because you got upset and took it personally because Banbury and Ed (it was 001 btw) disagreed with you.

Its banter, lighten up mate.

Basically most footballers bar a few exceptions make poor pundits because they are about as intelligent as a dormouse's toe. That's what happens when you stop being educated at 13 to kick a football instead, you end up sounding like Rio Ferdinand. Still I suppose they have the last laugh, thick as a plank but in the top 5 percent of earners.

Banbury, I wasn't comparing Ian wright to journalists, I was talking about his ability to actually understand what he's seeing when he watches football. He's not good at that at all. As aren't lots of footballers. As I'm probably not. Just an opinion, obviously you don't agree and that's fine. Doesn't matter, does if?

And little gunner. Seriously, do you think being trained to play a certain way and training drills teaches you to judge a footballers ability and potential, and teaches a tactical knowledge? Because I don't. I really think being a good footballer who can read the game when playing is entirely different to what we are talking about, watching, understanding and assessing how a game has been played, and giving a good analysis. I mean let's be honest, if the guys you mentioned were any good, they'd probably not have to be journalists.

11 Sep 2014 07:16:44
On him being a decent player that's your opinion, and mine is, he's just a cut above average, and anything that comes out of his mouth (football related included) is a load of bull.

{Ed001's Note - and Ian Wright, while a great player, knows nothing about the game as a pundit, that is why he is a pundit. Players like him play on instinct, they don't think, they do, that is why they were great, as it was instant, rathr than having to stop and think. Unfortunately that means they don't often know why they did what they did or how to teach it to someone else.}

11 Sep 2014 08:02:40
Thank god for that, imagine joey Bartons school of football.
Lesson 1) how to p!ss people off with a tweet.


But I agree about wright and people alike, they go on there merit as a footballer and think that's enough to make it as a pundit.

10 Sep 2014 16:53:14
I know we were all kind of desperate for a top quality DM but if we defend better from front to back as a team it may not be such a huge handicap as we think.

United as poor as they've been won the title in 2012 with Carrick pretty much playing that role and no disrespect to him but he is not a top drawer DM.

We now, with Welbeck and Sanchez have two forwards with an awesome work ethic, if Walcott takes a leaf out of their book and works as they do it can only be a huge plus

We then have Ramsey who we know loves a tackle along with Arteta who won't be left out of the team and Ozil assisting the three speed merchants up front.

Here's hoping the City game springs us into life and we start playing as good on grass as we look on paper.

Hi red I hope your right mate but I must admit to being ever such a lot more than slightly worried about some repeats of our meltdowns of last season.
When we went to city last year I thought we'd win I really did, then Anfield I absolutely knew we had too much for Liverpool and when we went to the boot sale for Arsene's 1000 game I knew it would be tough but I also knew the lads and Arsene wouldn't let it happen again especially not on Arsene's big day.
Sorry if I sound pessimistic but I can't find it in myself to faithfully ignore the evidence of last season, I do want to truly I do but I need to be convinced this time round
A quality DM and I'd be up there with all the optimists I realy would but in their absence I will have to settle for seeing is believing and I so want to be filled with optimism come Saturday night after the game as much as before it.
Love the Arsenal and absolutely hate us being embarrassed in front of millions I really do

10 Sep 2014 22:32:16
I hear what you say Red,

But its still pretty much the same back 4, with Arteta as DM (or Flamini) that got spanked by Chelsea, Liverpool and City.

Yes, best way to stop the opposition would be to use our pace and try to keep hold of the ball, but I still worry when we are under attack.

10 Sep 2014 14:44:24
Just saw the pics on arsenal.com, great to see ozil, Kosc and Arteta back in training, so some injury worries can lay rest, ramsey has himself said he should be fine which is also great news. Joel, Podolski and Ospina as well, so looks good from an injury front. Not too sure where our english core is though Wellbeck, Ox, jack, Gibbs

10 Sep 2014 21:48:00
Agree Hood

10 Sep 2014 11:16:38
Citeh always take a while to get going over the season, will be interesting if we can take advantage of this and get a result

09 Sep 2014 21:56:50
So with Saturday fast approaching how confident are you feeling?
A extremely, expect a repeat of the community shield result.
B confident of a win but expect it to be tight.
C expect a draw
D slightly apprehensive but think we can get something from the game
E will be watching from behind the couch as fear the worst

I will go for option B. Will be a tight game. Somehow, City haven't yet hit the dizzy heights they attained last season

I too will opt for option B. Confident, but then I usually am. Whether we play like we can is another matter entirely!

I`ll go for option (A) a repeat of Community Sheild.

Time for us to make a statement to rest of Premiership City have a few out so a good time to meet them them also will give Wellbeck an ideal sitation to show what his worth.

come on you gunners!

Il say D based on our league form and that City are a wounded animal after stoke and from their point of view what better place to put in a performance than against us.
I do believe we can get something. Will be ecstatic if we get more than a point.

A BIG C

10 Sep 2014 21:50:37
E because we implode against the big boys