Arsenal Banter Archive April 11 2013

11 Apr 2013 22:47:00
remind me again.

how much did we get for adebayor.

ha

malaga gooner {Ed027's Note - 25m i'm still laughing

And that has to be 4 years ago.

yep still laughing

ha

did he not steel some boots when he was leaving.

malaga gooner

Hi:):):)
:) I am still laughing!:)
poor totteringham.
flybo defo stuck a pin in their bouncy castle:):):)
HA!. when E adeboyour put it over:):)LOL:) I still be laughing tomorrow!:):)
sigh:)
night all:)
COYG!:) andi

Oh come on guys, he nearly broke into a jog today!

And what about that penalty? Reminds me of Johnny Wilkinson!

As funny as that price may be, he wasn't exactly a bad player when we sold him.
If he was still here with us today I reckon he'd be pretty good.

But still, he's not worth half of 25 mil.

Nick.

Why did we not keep adebayor. absolute class. its like having your own version of michael mcintyre.

Its great having an ex-Gooner take a penalty for the Toot! Apparently the ball landed at The Emirates!

It went over the Emirates, it's still rising!

337

Pity we didn't sell him a year earlier! Weren't AC offering huge money at the time?

Sheeny

Maybe he is still trying to atone for that red card in the 5pur2 thrashing if it landed at the emirates.

wrong game wrong mentality.

the most hilarious thing I have heard was him being compared to an ostrich running to take a pen.

11 Apr 2013 21:32:21
There been a lot of talk about players playing out of position and not making a fuss and just getting on with it. So I think it would be right to give mikel arteta a special mention. Been our rock for the last two seasons so thank you mikel arteta

Noodles

Win/loss record when he's not on the pitch says it all. Tremendous team player, natural captain even when doesn't have the armband. So glad we have him.

Yyc

11 Apr 2013 21:16:07
Just read there of us looking to buy erikson in the summer as he said he will leave ajax, just wondering what our chances would be and would he not be too expensive for us? Also has he had as good a season this season as others?

Thanks eds

11 Apr 2013 20:49:28
Hi eds, I have been following the transfer talk for some time now.

I have come to the conclusion that I think arsenal will get the following
gk: Ruffier or Begovic - Which is more likely? and who is the better keeper?
rb: Sebastian Corchia - He seems very likely, is that right?
cb: Benedikt H�wedes, Angel Ogbonna, Fernando Amobielsa - which of them seems most likely?d Miyaichi is our onl
cdm: Etienne capoue, Maxime Gonalons or Victor Wanyama - We will end up with one of them, my gut tells me Wanyama. Which of them would be the best fit?
st: Stevan Jovetic - Where there is smoke there is fire. When players like El tigre (Falcao), Cavani, Higuain, Lewandowski are all likely to move we should have no problem getting him.
winger: Remy cabella or Malagas Isco - Appearantly Isco�s best friend is our very own Santi Cazorla. Cabella seems more likely given the price tag but maybe we will see something special? What are your thoughts ed? {Ed027's Note - Ruffier. Don't know. Yes. Ambroieta. All would do the job. Jovetic is likely. Cabella & Isco aren't wingers, we won't get Isco.

11 Apr 2013 19:17:52
Eds I heard that arsenal scouts are going to be at the spurs game today, to watch Dragovich I believe.
Any truth?
Thanks Waq {Ed027's Note - I don't know

11 Apr 2013 18:36:12
Since Mr wenger is a fan of young talent, why don't he take a look at 17 yrs old Jean Marie Doungou of FC Barcelona B. He is another Messi in the making says the reserve team coach. we could take him like we did cesc {Ed029's Note - At 17 he cannot move to Arsenal.}

11 Apr 2013 16:55:57
To be completely honest Alex Song's departure was a very good thing for us. There are aspects of his game which are well suited to our team, such as the ocassional Hollywood pass/assist, or the crunching tackle to disposess opponents, albeit rather rash. I find it bad how some assists make some Gooners think he deserves a spot in our team, but in truth he would try 6 or 7 of them, and only 1, maybe 2 would come off. When Cesc left, for some reason he thought he could step up and pull the strings, when it was quite clear Arteta can do a better job at that. Many times last season he would attempt Yaya Toure or Vieira-like surges only to lose the ball and leave our back 4 exposed. He wasn't the monster that we so desperately need to protect our back 4, neither is Diaby, and Arteta has done a fantastic job of playing in that position, I'm sure unwillingly, with such discipline. I want Jack and Santi to be the more advanced midfielders, especially Santi, meaning someone like Capoue, Wanyama or Bender is needed, not Alex Song who gave the ball away and only managed to mask his poor form by the ocassional hollywood ball. Isn't and never was good enough.

11 Apr 2013 18:57:05
I cannot understand the criticism of Song on here. You condemn his "Hollywood passes" well excuse him for contributing to our attack and add a new dimension to our play. Our defensive problems last year were 80% down to injuries. At one point we had every natural full back injured. That's no exaggeration either. Song plated as a DM, he broke up attacks with good pressure, made strong tackles and was incredibly hard to dispossess.

That kind of player is what we need now at Arsenal. Its no mystery that once Song left our defence had looked more exposed. Wenger failed to replace him. I expect to be bombarded with disagrees, but I feel the criticism of Song is somewhat incorrect. I will happily contest anyone who thinks otherwise.

Detroit Gooner

Sorry Detroit Gooner, not looking for a fight but I have to disagree. Not with the point that a strong defensive type of player is missing from out midfield but about Song. Last season he played on average 1. 3 key passes a game the previous two season 1 and 0. 9 and in terms of accurate through balls 0. 7 compared to 0. 3 and 0. 5 that isn't a great improvement and in the other season he had Nasri and Fabregas with him, however with them gone he wondered forward and his interceptions were 2 for his last season compared with 2. 7 and 3. 1 previously and his tackles per game were 2. 7 compated to 3. 5 and 3. 3 which for me anyways highlights that he negated his defensive responsibilites to try to replace fabregas with limited success, and he was asked to defend not attack many players want to get forward but have to take one for the team and hang back he didn't do that and that is what he was asked to do. He was also sold because of his attitude which must highlight that the club didn't think he was working and look at his success at Barcelona. And how many times this season has Vermaelan played left back? And we've even had sagna at centre back I agree not as many as last season but still plenty of defensive injuries

I think the "Hollywood passes" contributed to a lot of points we earned and if I remember correctly stopped us having to replay Leeds. Fair enough he did venture forward a lot we sold cesc and nasri two of our best players the season before yes we got arteta but he did not cover the attacking threat we were without. If not for songs "Hollywood passes" were would we have finished.
MgM

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, he wasn't that bad nor was he that good.

To be fair comparing stats of key passes and successful through balls for Song, a CDM is a little bit pointless. Watching him play, you could see how is physical presence made a difference on the pitch. Also another point about reckless challenges, Arteta makes just as many fouls, if not more. If his attitude was poor, as in as bad as Barton or Bendtner fair enough. But I fail to see how turning up to training late warrants a transfer away from the club. Especially at a youngish age. With Wilshere and Santi we would have as good a midfield as any other PL team.

Wenger really failed on that one.

Detroit Gooner

Rvp last season 21% conversion and 1. 11 for dribbles yea let's sell all the players. Stats do not tell the full story everyone wanted him to stay but when you start putting the stats down they don't look good. So to slate song on a few stats is ridiculous. If Tommy v runs out of defence at weekend and scores the winner will you be on here saying he's worst then song because he plays in defence and should not have scored.

I'm a fan of Song and obviously Barca were too if they paid £16 mil for him so its fair to say he's not a bad player. Whether we were right to get rid of him is a different matter.

We have no way of really knowing how Wenger wanted him to play. If Wenger asked Song to be defensive (those are the rumours but at the same time Wenger has also said the time of def midfielders is over so its 50-50) then propbably right to get rid, if not then he was just playing box-box style and good on him for trying to fill the boots left by Cesc and Nasri (atleast he tried).

A still think him and a proper def midfielder would have been a very solid base to the midfield.

Also how can Gooners be happy we sold him when we never replaced him. It in no way strengthened our squad.

Last season we had no Santi, we had no Jack. Our midfield was completely out of ideas, because Ramsey was not prepared to fill Cesc's gap. That is why Song was playing more offense last year. And he was pretty successful, when Arteta was besides him. Of course that ruined part of his defence game, but nonetheless he was all over the pitch doing almost everything. And he earned us many points. Look even RVP struggle without him. Many of you say that he had no discipline, but I am pretty sure that Song's attacking play was Wenger's instruction.

11 Apr 2013 15:11:59
what are peoples thoughts on Marco Veratti?
played excellently against Boohoocelona yesterday, broke up play; made some FINE ass passes to Lavezzi and Pastore

reminds me of what Ramsey is doing a bit, would love to have him for depth if he's as good as I saw in that match consistently

thoughts on the player Ed (s)

PdotY {Ed027's Note - Great player, Italy's answer to Pirlo

Veratti and Gundogan are on par for me, problem w Veratti is PSG do not need to sell, and he is the midfield Marshall of that attack

I can't see him going anywhere for years unless he gets homesick and forces a move to Milan or Turin

I think he's more of a de Rossi type of player, also isn't wenger a huge fan of his?
Waq

I've heard that they are criticizing him at PSG for being slow.

11 Apr 2013 14:42:11
Am I the only one who sees a comparison with the combination of Wilshere and Ramsey and that of Iniesta and Xavi. Give it a couple of years, but I think Ramsey will be better than Xavi.

Yes I do see a comparison. However Ramsey will never be as good as Xavi, but Jack very well could be. {Ed027's Note - Xavi is not like Jack, Jack is more of a Iniesta, Ramsey is more of a Xavi, this is Ramsey's role, but most of you fans slaughter him when he's in the Cam or wing roles ffs

I agree, I see that as well.

I am 100 percent sure Wenger's plan for our midfield revolves around Wilshere and Ramsey

Ramsey is far ahead of Xavi at his age, far ahead. Xavi didn't even start on the 06 team

Ramsey was starting for us 3 years ago

I think the comparison is fair, but can only hope Ramsey and Wilshere reach close to that level. I'd be very surprised if both get close. On the other hand I think Xavi and Iniesta are a little overrated and look significantly poorer (but still very good) when Messi doesn't play or doesn't play well (which isn't that often!)

11 Apr 2013 13:30:13
what formation would you play next season?

its almost cert to be 433 but would you rather a 442 or 4411?

I wouldn't mind a 442 with Giroud and Walcott up front combining height and power with Walcott pace and finish, with Cazorla LM Ox RM, wilshere and Ramsey in the middle ( yes that's right wilshere and Ramsey)

Ramsey has come on leaps and bound and the two could really compliment each other as Ramsey has set upped up his defensive game, TV5 and Kos back 2 and sagna and gibbs/nacho as long as we are well disciplined defensively we will lose those stupid errors that cost us.

dandan

4-2-3-1 for me.

If we buy a DM. rotate DM with Arteta, Rambo and Le Coq.

The 3 infront would be Wally, Wilshere ( or wiltshire as he is also know as here) and cazorla. with Jovetic the front man ( if we play this system. need a technical and clinical fnisher. or perhaps falcao if we feel rich.

The other option would be a 4-3-3

meaning 1 Dm, cazorla and wilshere taking the middle spot. with wally, hopefully a new striker up front and poldi on the left wing.

We could be like utd and play a formation based on the level of opposition. Seems to have worked quite well for them
AG

11 Apr 2013 13:08:54
Eds, a few weeks ago I asked you the following question:

Hi Ed, if you only had £100 left and you had to place a bet on player arrivals this summer at Arsenal, who would be the players you would consider? Cheers {Ed027's Note - Begovic, Corchia, Ambroieta, Capoue, Jovetic (unsure if he will be our marquee signing)

Just wondering what your response would be now and if its changed at all?

Cheers{Ed027's Note - I'd swap Ruffier for Begovic, i'm still 50 50 over wanyama/capoue

What about Hector Bellerin though?

Was amazing in next gen boy looks good
Dandan

Er Bellerin mainly plays right back for the young-un's. Don't see the relevance of your question.

Cheers Ed, who would you prefer out of Capoue or Wanyama? {Ed027's Note - Big Vic

Ed, who would be first choice RB then, Jenkinson or Corchia? {Ed027's Note - Jenko because I haven't seen Corchia

Ed, do you see Bacary Sagna leaving then? {Ed027's Note - Yes hope he does, his attitude has been poor this season

Well Corchia is 22 and Jenkinson 21, so two young RB's with a young star in Bellerin coming through, its possible it could hamper his first team chances than if we signed a older more experienced right back

I'd take Capoue over Wanyama.

11 Apr 2013 12:37:20
hey guys what do you think about the Malaga right back?

Jesus gamez or something isit? I was very impressed with him against dortmund but i'm not sure what his age is? Also, I haven't seen enough of him to make an overall judgment.

CheetahChaz97

I think he is high 20's. maybe 27, 28?

He is alright, I think i'd rather give Jenko a run out, and promote Bellerin to back up.

The team hasn't looked weak with Jenks in it, and being an Arsenal fan himself, I have a soft spot for him :)

and not going for a right back would surely allow more funds elsewhere, perhaps in the striking or combative midfield department

noobGooner

Jesus gamez duarte

age-28

malaga player since 2005

contract runs out-2016

malaga gooner

So city take our player and we take malaga's. vicious circle

He would be a good replacement for Sagna and he's Spanish

If you want a quality young RB then it should be carvajal (spelling),
He's a Spanish RB plyin fr Leverkusen and looks real quality every time I watched him. He's like he RB version of Alba
Waq

Jenkinson has been much better then sagna this season when he has played great cross and he can tackle reminds me of Gary Neville

11 Apr 2013 10:16:45
fabregas chick delivered yest during the game. he rushed home soon after. and her name is LIA.

This messi love is going overboard.

I admire the guy, hell I would sell the entire first team, reserve team and the owner and board and the prawn sandwich fans to get him.

I keep saying the system barcelona play. we are not far away. Wilshere needs a compliment. and with the style of play we need to go small and technical upfront.

I do admit that they have some special players like xavi, iniesta, cesc, alves, pique, alba, pedro and ofcourse the chosen one.

but I think it can be replicated of copied. not the players the style, with a bit of direct play like chelsea play.

Mata, hazard, oscar, ramires, can pass the ball between them in tight spaces really well.

we have wilshere, ox, cazorla. dare I say rambo lately.

we need to get gotze. this is the summer to get him. and my thinking would be to play him as barcelona play messi the false 9 (he played that role with germany recetly- with success I might add)

we do not play a traditional way, don't get me wrong its great to have plan hoof the ball to the tall guy.

but my starting 11 for next year which is open to insults would be something like.

Begovic

Jenkinson-Koser-Verm-Nacho

Wanyama - Ramsey

Walcott - Wilshere - cazorla

Gotze

or swap gotze and walcott around. or if its even possible to dream. Gotze alongside wilshere with jovetic leading the line.

I don't buy into gotze at all. A german friend of mine hates watching germany play when gotze is playing. His words - "In germany we say gotze is the little prince, but Reus is better than him in every way"

Dortmund paid a lot less for reus than say Arsenal will for gotze - which makes me think we should look elsewhere.
Also, gotze as a striker. shorter than walcott, and slower than walcott. not sure how a lone striker could be both of those things.

Begovic though. yes please. Would be nice to have a season without even thinking about the keeper.

Wanyama. still not convinced. Capoue more ideal.

11 Apr 2013 12:12:52
How about,

Ruffier

Jenks_Kos_Verm_Nacho

Cazorla_Capoue_Wilshere_Gotze

Jovetic_Podolski/Giroud

Gotze the marquee signing, Ruffier only let 25 in all season so far, would mind Wanyama if not Capoue and Jovetic to play off either up front. Maybe also sign Amorebieta from Bilboa whose a left footed CB we've been linked with and can cover Verm. I do still like Micah Richards.

Midfield 3 to match Hazard, Mata and Oscar amongst others.

Leaving the likes of Walcott, Gervinho, The Ox, Ramsey, Sagna, Gibbs, Arteta, Szczesny, Diaby?, Mert, Amorebieta, Rosicky, Eisfeld and Gnabry on the bench.

Is that to much to ask for next seasons squad?

Gotze's not a striker, and I doubt he'd want to leave bvb

CheetahChaz97

Also that back four is not title winning material, a world class cb is needed

CheetahChaz97

11 Apr 2013 12:48:13
Cheetah,

Are they both your posts or is one your mums?

Tongue in cheek.

Keeper is a must, who I don't know lot of names being branded about but as long as they can do a job I don't really care

sagna, kos tv5 gibbs/nacho
sagna found his form again and deserves some loyalty from us, kos has shown his ability and for me is our best defender, TV5 needs to get back to his best and then kos and tv5 is a great partnership, a midfield 3 of ramsey, Aretea and wilshere I think is good enough, I do think we lack defensive players but its more the defensive tactics that have caught us out this year nothing else, look how well we played when we are defensively organised? With a strong strike force I think we would have been much further up the table I mean look at our defensive record this season?

defiantly want to see podolski play through the middle Walcott right ox left with rosicky, giroud and gervinho as impact players, Obviously if we get Jovetic I'll be over the moon and ecstatic but I'm not holding my breathe as its the same story every season, I'm optimistic enough to believe our 1st 11 is good enough we just lack that defensive tactical awareness that leaves us exposed.

Its the bench that needs improving we need players we can bring on to see a game out or a defender good enough to step in if kos is out ect.

dandan

I think verm, kos and nacho are solid. perhaps jenks needs competition or sagna's replacement will need to be better. however I think our defense set up the right way can play as one of the best back 4.

If we had vermalen in last years form and koser in this years form we would be quite formidable.

Stoner, I even admitted to sending both those posts you person go and have a look. No need to bring family in to it either.

CheetahChaz97

Lol

some insults being thrown around and RAZ/METAL GONER is not even around.


COME BACK

malaga gooner

11 Apr 2013 22:23:27
Cheetah,

It was a joke, hence the words tongue in cheek, another poster said about your mum in the previous posts I did read and saw what you admitted.

There was no offence intended. But whatever

Stoner

11 Apr 2013 07:42:51
Guys need to know since Angha. will be joining Nurenberg in summer, was he good enough for arsenal. Thanks


zeet

Clearly not or we would be keeping him, it's not like he is going to a bigger club

11 Apr 2013 09:57:32
Saw Pogba yesterday now that´s a general in the making let´s pick him up NOW!

11 Apr 2013 00:44:42
edd are psg interested in sagna they have jallet and van der wiel both good players I don't think they need sagna {Ed027's Note - Don't know, his situation is unclear

I have been extremely impressed with Jallet this season, and against Barca he was incredible both legs

Unfortunately PSG like Man city are into hoarding. how can I forget about chelsea. them too.