Arsenal Banter Archive April 11 2017

 

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11 Apr 2017 22:11:28
An advertisement the Arsenal board should place:

Due to our current contract coming to an end with our existing manager Arsenal football club would like to speak to all potential candidates who might fit the vacancy below:

Wanted, a football manager with both a proven track record and the ambition to win the English premier league title within 3 seasons.

We are willing to talk to anyone with these qualities and qualifications including the current manager of Arsenal football club but all potential candidates should be aware that we are looking for someone to deliver a return of 80 points from the 38 games of next season.

We are offering a salary of £1 million basic which will be increased to £10 million should the successful candidate hit the required 80+ points target in year one or £7 million in year two or £5 million in year 3.

We are prepared to give the successful candidate a 3 year contract with the pre agreement that should they fail to achieve an absolute minimum of 77 points in any of the 3 seasons the contract will become​ null and void at the end of that season.

As you will have noticed we are looking for only extremely ambitious candidates​ with a strong sense of self accountability​ who are happy to back their own judgement by accepting this paid on results delivered structure that will strictly apply to this position.

If anyone​ who is put off by the terms of this contract thank you in advance for not applying for this position.

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11 Apr 2017 22:37:15
How come more contracts and result and performance based? Surely it makes sense in a field where results all important.

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11 Apr 2017 22:38:05
I don't think you can stipulate a points target in a contract mate.

The rest I agree with.

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11 Apr 2017 22:40:15
Simione or allegri don't need a contract like that they are winners.

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11 Apr 2017 22:46:38
Is that an FA directive Days mate?
If so I'd advise them to concentrate on wining a world cup before busying themselves with our business and when they have we'd be more than happy to listen to thier advice :-)

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11 Apr 2017 22:57:44
Good to hear Steve mate in that case they won't be afraid to apply and accept the job or the terms offered will they :-)

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11 Apr 2017 23:17:45
Gunner, I think we will have to beg them.

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11 Apr 2017 23:29:49
Lol G62, nah but we just need to stipulate that just finishing top 4 is no longer the maximum requirement.

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11 Apr 2017 23:37:07
Shame they might have enjoyed it here Steve, never mind perhaps the right bloke will let them know what they missed out on once we've trashed out the details of his post premier league title new contract with him.

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12 Apr 2017 02:42:06
The small print will say. if this is not possible 4th will do the finest with an odd bonus if we beat Crystal palace our new Darby.
Ps we haven't much to spend.

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12 Apr 2017 08:15:53
That's cool as I'm not sure the next bloke will need to spend much to bring about a dramatic upturn in fighting spirit from the players who represent our club, in fact i think he could show a handsome profit and still improve things over one summer, breaking up the cosy club and replacing them with ambitious passionate even if potentially​ not as talented players would see an instant improvement from what we've been use to seeing.

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11 Apr 2017 21:19:46
Hi eds. I posted earlier this afternoon, quite a lengthy one, but it's not showing. Any reason why?

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{Ed033's Note - it doesn't appear to have come through. Did you want to send it in again?

11 Apr 2017 21:37:21
Okay thanks. Will do when I get time.

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11 Apr 2017 20:14:33
Anyone else notice how last night's abject display was almost a carbon copy of the away fixture at Bournemouth without the final 20-25 mins?

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11 Apr 2017 20:58:20
And the west brom one without the goal we scored and the watford one and the everton one and the bayern one.

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11 Apr 2017 21:18:17
And both PSG ones minus Cavani wearing clown shoes in both games :-) or Burnley away minus Kos hand and a very decent short of chappie being ref that day as was the fellow who was kind enough to give us a rather fortunate penalty V Southampton in the very last minute of our home game early in the season, jolly decent sort that ref too i thought.

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11 Apr 2017 22:56:01
Oh ha ha ha. No doubting there's a trend but I'm trying to talk about something more specific than just the general blanket "oh aren't we crap? " or "funny how we all see what the manager repeatedly fails to" statements.

Scratch the surface and the similarities between those two are very distinctive: an early goal in the first half from very lax defending; a needless penalty conceded off the back of very lax defending and one exceptionally good goal scored by our opponents on the counter. What's more, I'm pretty sure we had the same four in the back line and of course Xhaka in front of them.

When you look at it that way, what's particularly telling is how much more our players seemed prepared to put something in at Bournemouth back in January than any of them were last night. Of course it is easier to break down Bournemouth than a well drilled Allardyce side, but the team seemed nothing like as limp back then. What an implosion.

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11 Apr 2017 18:50:00
Guys,

As a Celtic fan I'd ask a question regarding what defines a "Big Club" and do Arsenal actually regard themselves as one ?

All big clubs are regarded as such because they regularly win or come close their domestic leagues every season.

All big clubs regularly do well in Champions League and are always considered among the favourites.

All big clubs have a low tolerance with managers who don't win league titles as that allows them to always improve their squad and bring in world class players.

Would Barca, Real, Bayern, Man Utd, Juve or any other"world class team" recruit a manager and say to him, don't worry about winning the league. as long as we are 4th or better that'll be fine. .

I'm sorry guys but with the prices you pay, your stadium and in my opinion the name of Arsenal Football Club, that's not good.

What could you achieve. You'll nevery know till you try it. never know, it you might actually win the league again.

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11 Apr 2017 19:19:14
Hi mate we are a huge club in terms of therms of English but we just don't have huge ambitions​.
In terms of European football we have never been huge but are bigger than most and for us its been all about the taking part rather than actively settings out our stall 100% committed to having a go at winning the champions league.
I'm not sure how much longer our club can continue to be a huge club with small ambition or how much more of a stomach our fans have for watching it continue but in my opinion what ever happens between now and next season starting is going to have a very big bearing on what we become over the next decade or maybe much longer
The club have a huge decision to make and a massive responsibility to an awful lot of people to get it right.
No more pleasing people be it shareholders manager players or sets of fans we need to start putting what's best for Arsenal again rather not upsetting individuals or even groups of individuals.

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11 Apr 2017 19:21:41
Arsenal of course are a big club with a lot of history I'd also say Celtic are a giant in Scotland as they once were in Europe . Your support is superb and will always win more top flight trophies than we ever will but of course that is to do with the weak league you play in .

We are in danger of having one of the most state of the art stadiums in the world but with a poor team in it .

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11 Apr 2017 19:58:34
As a Celtic fan defining big is very difficult as in Scotland I'm sure you consider Celtic as a big club. But if you compare the standard of your club it is on a level of a decent team in the championship, Leeds or maybe Newcastle . Now that is not really the fault of your club as the Scottish premiership has teams ranging from championship level (Celtic) to Sunday league level.

It was a shame that rangers got sent to the bottom of your football teir (school boy level) as it ruined the only glimmer of anything decent. So to answer your question we are not on the same level like Barcelona or real and united to that fact but we are in the top three prestigious clubs in the EPL but we are in a downward motion and need to sort it out . Hope that helps.

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11 Apr 2017 21:07:15
I think if Celtic were to join the English league system they would certainly be premier league and top half at that, they are a huge British club it's just their league doesn't require them to have a brilliant team to win it or offer the financial rewards of the premier league to attract players that would allow them to compete in the champions league regularly.
Given the premier league multi millions Celtic would make it a big 8 rather than big 7 of Arsenal Chelsea's City Everton Liverpool Spurs and Utd currently, thier support is huge and as passionate as any out there.

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12 Apr 2017 01:19:12
Their support is huge but the standard is championship.

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12 Apr 2017 07:39:08
Sanogo this current celtic team is a lot better than championship level. If they were to be moved into the premier league, no doubt their billionaire owner Desmond would spend adequately to have them even more competitive, I have no doubt they'd be top half at this moment in time.

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12 Apr 2017 12:09:19
I don't see it red! Their top players either sign for a top championship side or mid table premiership side at best and they are the clubs best players. Also more often than not they get put of of the champions league in the preliminary rounds by some team from who knows where!

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12 Apr 2017 16:44:02
I would have said the exact same thing of Leicester last year Sanogo and we all know what happened there.

Collectively, this celtic team is a very good team. And I'm talking about the current celtic team. They might have had to qualify to get into the champions league beating teams you don't know, but that's not their fault. They got put into a very difficult group and did quite well actually considering their budget etc.

And like I said, if in the premiership then the cheque book would surely be opened up.

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12 Apr 2017 18:11:31
There's to many ifs, buts and maybes in your testimony for me red. The use of Leicester as an example is like saying hens teeth exist because you found a tooth in a chickens stomach. More often than not they don't get through the qualifying rounds and until I see something better on a more consistent basis I can only give the opinion that they are a very average side in a very awful league.

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12 Apr 2017 21:44:42
Celtic are Scottish they will never play in the prem. Scottish football is a lower grade than the prem in all and that's it. At this moment in time they are the best team in scotland, like the best team in Wales and Ireland. They are massive in scotland and that's it. We are a big club with limited ideas and are basically the fourth best at best team in England. Are we a big club? In revenue yes, in ambition for trophies, no.

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12 Apr 2017 21:57:40
But you have to go back to previous years to justify your argument. The question was, if celtic were in the premiership, could they make it a top 8. I believe that this CURRENT celtic team would do very well in the premiership. To say they are championship when they have just done quite well in the champions league is absurd.

Leicester proved anything can happen in the premiership regardless of how youd like to put it.

I actually believe celtic on current form would put away arsenal quite easily.

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12 Apr 2017 22:09:00
We're a big club steve make no bones about it.

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13 Apr 2017 11:53:13
Sorry red I just don't buy it. I'm talking about the current Celtic side and they hardly had a great season in the champions league. A team currently struggling in the prem is in the quarters and narrowly lost against a top top side. Celtic would have lost that 4 or 5 nil.

I heard the same argument for years and it's laughable in my opinion. But there you go it depends how you look at it but you won't find any facts out there to support what you say. Top players of Celtic or should I say celtics top players have moved to the championship time and again because it's a better league than the SPL. So if you can't convince the players what your saying how you ever going to convince me.

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11 Apr 2017 18:35:53
I do think it is about time that usminov and the AST should be allowed a say in the boardroom at arsenal, I know the ast have meetings with arsenal but I think both parties, being massively involved with arsenal should be at least allowed a voice in the boardroom. Both only want what is best for the club and it can only be beneficial.

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11 Apr 2017 21:20:25
No brainer steve I agree.

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11 Apr 2017 21:15:38
And both watch arsenal so will be able to relay to kronke what's going on.

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11 Apr 2017 17:11:24
The players at arsenal football club need to look at themselfs last nite all of them were embarrassing not fit to wear the shirt big clear out in the summer including alexis
(I can only cut in on my right ) Sanchez he gives the ball away too much and try's to much I wouldn't be upset if he left.

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11 Apr 2017 17:41:10
That's it jelly, leave Wenger out of the equation.

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11 Apr 2017 18:08:24
And sell the best player as easily as that malaga.

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11 Apr 2017 18:52:31
Reading on from some of your previous posts I can only assume you have lost the plot. How anyone can dig at Sanchez is beyond me. I have seen him at all but a few home games this season and he has been the hardest worker on the pitch. I agree he does try hard too hard at times but that is over compensating for the lack elsewhere. He is our best player week in week out, maybe he is sick of the crap around him and considering the others he shines above by a country mile. I know your upset but don't call a world class player in the heat of it all mate.

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11 Apr 2017 20:37:55
Sano I find it amazing anyone can single sanchez out, when he has given his last breath for this club worked his socks off and produced absolutely breath taking brilliance, its beyond me. We would be relegation fodder this season without him, we might next season.

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11 Apr 2017 22:13:03
I think Sanchez when playing as a centre forward is outstanding but unfortunately playing as a left winger not so much just take a look at his positioning for Palaces first goal he didn't track back all evening leaving Monreal constantly exposed our defensive issues are somewhat highlighted due to our full backs having no protection or cover when bombing forward don't get me wrong he is a fantastic player but prefer him through the middle.

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11 Apr 2017 23:21:50
Jaygun we let goals in not because of the wide players not tracking back but because our defenders don't know how to defend and our midfield two don't cover properly. They should be shielding the middle but also covering the wide areas.

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12 Apr 2017 07:47:42
Steve I agree that our defenders don't seem to have a clue how to defend properly and our central midfield pairing are poor it's not down to them to constantly cover our right and left side pulling them out of position all the time every player needs to take responsibility including Sanchez you only have to look at Palace to see how we are targeted by the way I am a massive fan of Sanchez when played up front he is our only world class player but since being put out wide he hasn't been as effective which leads me to playing players in there best positions whichcomes by way of our manager.

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11 Apr 2017 12:30:45
Very healthy balance SHEET plus rubbish on the pitch equals ARSENAL FOOTBALL CLUB.

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11 Apr 2017 11:58:39
I think everyone needs to calm down, everything will go smoothly from today as I have removed sanchez and mustafi from my dream team, so I expect an upturn in there preformances now.

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11 Apr 2017 10:58:01
last night for me was one of the worse performances i have seen from arsenal.
theo's comments at the end saying palace wanted it more proves that the manager can;t motivate the team.

i understand wenger has done a lot for us over the years and will always be grateful for that but now it is time for change. i said before that he should have went in 2014 when we won the fa cup, that was a perfect time for him to leave on a high

if he stays though there's nothing anyone can do and nothing will probably change, we'll be made all kinds of promises and will end up having the same conversations, same time of year over the next 2 years.

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11 Apr 2017 17:12:23
Fa cup would of been a great way and left us in top4 but I don't think hel get that chance again.

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11 Apr 2017 10:52:18
Mr Raver i bet you are loving our downfall congratulations to spurs on a great season though.

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11 Apr 2017 15:30:29
I'm having a Mr Kipling season, I've put on 4 stone in weight due to my heavy drinking and mr Kipling cakes due to spurs great season and Arsenals' poor season. I don't feel sorry for you one bit Stephen, as you lot have had it so good over the last 15 years and I've suffered terribly from it.

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11 Apr 2017 17:13:52
Only 15 years lol.

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11 Apr 2017 10:51:12
Hi Folks,

I had said a few weeks ago that Ozil Shancez and co should be dropped and got good response in general apart from dropping Shancez, now I still believe nither should be in the sqaud at this current time and as for walcott the man is a joke. Yes we are in a very dark period within the club Wenger as lost the changing room and has for the last few weeks if not longer, the fact that board hasn't stepped in at any point and lack the back bone to anything about the matters in hand suggest that the club is being run as a pay packed for the pricks in charge. I would think we need change at the very top and the whole way through the club new chairman new manager new players that want to wear the top with pride this would take time to sort but bring back David Dein as he can get deals done and contracts sorted.

I am hugely greatful for what Wenger as done over the last 20 years but the last 2-3 years is the same old excuses and poor performance from over paid might be top footballers that never turn up to the level we need.

I believe that Shancez and Ozil are better players than what they've showing over the last few months but have lost heart as the players around them simply aren't good enough so if we want to keep them without being in the champions league next year the club needs to clear out the dead wood and bring in some top players i.e spend the money to bring in these players.

We are weak unintrested and by the look of last nights match don't care anymore

The messing about with Wengers Deal and can't or won't talk about contracts to the end of a season is a joke, it's the same as anyone in a Job your not going to give the same if you don't know where your future lies with your employer, stop messing the fans about players about and sort the club out and this get back to the old Aresnal where teams hated playing us.

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11 Apr 2017 10:50:22
Maybe change shirts before the game starts!

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11 Apr 2017 10:47:48
After watching last nights game i really think wenger has lost the dressing room lolks like the players have just given up.

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11 Apr 2017 07:49:06
I wonder if I'd garner any support here if I cheekily suggested a change of Manager was much needed here at Arsenal F. C?
Perchance after losing 5 out of the last 8 games, we are not quite going to win the League this year.
FOR THE THIRTEENTH YEAR RUNNING. WITH THE SAME MANAGER IN CHARGE.
I know, let's offer aforesaid Manager another lucrative contract to achieve precisely the same again, for at least the next two years!
Or perhaps we could ask that nice Mr Marcos Silva if he fancies a go at our club rather than Hull?
Or all the Luddites amongst us could wimper, "yes, but be careful what you wish for".
You are right, we could get Tony Adams if we were dumb enough (as a Manager, not as a Player) .
Gotten himmel.

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11 Apr 2017 17:05:50
You really do have a little thing for silva don't you 😂. I'm aware of what he has done at former clubs and fair play to him. However I do think we should be aiming for much higher class managers. Not that we will do anything.

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11 Apr 2017 17:09:11
The main problem for me max is that if Wenger goes I don't trust the board to make the right appointment. They have not handle the situation well so far in fact that's been kind as in truth it has been a farce of the highest order.

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11 Apr 2017 18:25:09
Sano I suppose the only thing you could say to support them is they have to this point supported wenger because he is all they know and if they had not it would have looked bad on them. Obviously a new man would want things done differently and probably would not have the control wenger has, or a totally different set up as regards buying and selling players.

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11 Apr 2017 06:38:59
I was hoping that we had turned the corner, but it is clear that Wenger has lost the team. In order to salvage anything from the few remaining games, I would regretfully like to see Wenger depart and Henry brought in on a temporary basis until the end of the season when we could access his effectiveness and make a decision on Wenger's permanent replacement.

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11 Apr 2017 10:07:29
The nightmare on emirates just goes on and on R. G., and you told the raver spurs won't be top 6 this season. My boys down at the dog and guns would beat you lot at the moment.

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11 Apr 2017 15:06:49
1961.The pain at the lane just goes on. List the trophies won by the Toott during your lifetime. It's RG 1961!

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11 Apr 2017 17:10:44
Once in forever isn't bad raver.

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11 Apr 2017 17:32:50
The pain at the lane will be 17 points in front of you on Saturday R. G. that's right 17 points lol. I enjoyed watching you get the runaround against the mighty crystal palace and spurs reject Townsend.

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11 Apr 2017 00:10:37
It is more than likely the last we will ever see as a manager being in a job for years like Wenger and fergie. is sad and it's the modern day footballer putting a stop to this.

The spoilt players that are earning thousands who are afraid to get a bit of mud on their togs or jerseys. things don't go their way and they down tools, what happens then, manger gets the blame manager out. a few years back Wenger and fergie had 2 teams that would go through the wall for them. not now I'm afraid.

So boys, Wenger is probably gone but have a bit of respect for him he is Mr arsenal, a fan, a manger longer than some arsenal fans were even born. he had his ups and downs with United but I respect him in football terms and for being one good manager. Peace.

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11 Apr 2017 07:40:18
I said this time last season that Arsene should announce this season would be his past so we could turn this season into a farewell thank you celebration win lose or draw and I've also said it several times throughout this season unfortunately I'm not sure everything that is possible now which very sad.
Its going to end badly now no matter what and while I've been worried all the through about Arsenal and Arsene parting on bad terms which is something I've never wanted to happen but now my attention is shifting from worrying about Arsene's feelings​ to becoming seriously worried about Arsenals future.
I seriously feel we could be heading for a very long period of obscurity if we don't start doing what's right for the club again very very soon, we've had far to long of keeping individuals happy be it the manager over the hill players or players who simply haven't delivered for the club even sections of the fans by not making decisions that upset them.
If we don't start making good decisions for the rights reasons soon I'm not we will recover from it in a hurry if ever.
It's time to put Arsenal football club first again.

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