Arsenal Banter Archive August 11 2015

11 Aug 2015 22:01:26
Watching wenger talking about what a great team needs is a person to make the great pass and the great striker to finish on skys dennis Bergkamp football greatest.we currently have cazorla and ozil to make the pass but no great finisher .clearly he knew in 1996 that's the winning formula wish he would just tell the board, to get a world class striker.

11 Aug 2015 22:36:04
I'm going to pull a dags and say we are going to sign benzema.

12 Aug 2015 00:06:37
Lemon,you have to be precise, and say when :-)

12 Aug 2015 06:21:38
27th august, 1:00pm.

12 Aug 2015 08:08:29
Will hold you to that :-)

11 Aug 2015 21:41:30
Think it's well out of order Mourinho having a go at his female physio, Eva Carneiro.

Although, I wouldn't mind having a go at her myself, but that's a different story.

12 Aug 2015 08:22:52
It's consistent with nothing ever being Jose's fault, the guys a tool

12 Aug 2015 18:43:53
David Squires has a brilliant comic up on the Guardian at the moment about it (Jose's Wheel of Blame)

11 Aug 2015 19:02:03
Easy Liverpool win against a poor arsenal side.

11 Aug 2015 19:40:21
74/75 season Al I remember it well, wow you had some team and manager in those days mate, how things have changed in 21 years.
What do think of us both now days mate? :-)

11 Aug 2015 20:05:45
Whatever you're taking it's not spinach.

11 Aug 2015 20:38:00
It's a bit quiet on the arsenal page ;)
Tough game for both tteams after poor performances. Ideally a draw

11 Aug 2015 22:32:35
I'm lost

12 Aug 2015 00:08:33
That's not good for a driving instructor dags:)

12 Aug 2015 08:10:03
MgM, you are not wrong mate.

Even my satnav won't help me with this post.

11 Aug 2015 18:46:16
Giroud goals to games last 3 seasons - 58 in 134. Benzema - 66 in 148. Benzema has been playing in a superior side that dominate more games and create more chances.
Where am I going with this? Benzema is NOT world class. Watch Suarez in his last year at Liverpool. Aguero when he is fit. Tevez when he was at his best. Henry, remember him? RVP in his final season for us.
Now watch Benzema. Is he at that kind of level? Nope, not in ever. Very good player yes. Would he improve us? Probably. But not world class. Finally to those who say Giroud is uselesscan't finish, you are talking nonsense

11 Aug 2015 20:07:16
In 136 games for us, Giroud has 58 goals and 28 assists.

In 188 games for Madrid, Benzema has 88 goals and 56 assists.

That means Giroud scores every 2.3 games for us and assists once every 4.8 games.

Benzema scores once every 2.1 games and assists once every 3.34 games.

Straight off the bat there, you've got a better goal/assist per game ratio.

However, your point about the team he plays in, is very valid, which, leads me to my next point.
He plays for Real Madrid.

He's not the focal point of the attack there.
Yes, he plays as the striker, but the main outlet for them is Ronaldo.
He's the star, the attraction, the one people pay to see (although James is starting to hold his own in terms of draw)

I read somewhere that in all competitions last season, Benzema grabbed over 20 assists for Ronaldo.
20!

Look, at the end of the day, Giroud isn't a bad forward.
But he's only a good forward on his day.
If you stop Giroud from getting space, you stop Giroud, simple.

No, Benzema isn't on the level of Suarez, but in terms of strikers, who is?
Maybe Ibra at a push?

Benzema has more rounded attributes and skills to fit into the Prem.

If we sign him and it is a big if, we'll of signed a forward that's equal to any other in the premier league, Costa and Aguero included.

He'd be joining a system where, even though Alexis is the star, he's not as egotistical as Ronaldo and our players really do work as a team.

Yes, it's great that we can say Alexis will get 15 or so goals a season, that Santi and Ramsey will chip in with 10 a piece or so and that a fit Theo and AoC will also contribute, but at the end of the day, you don't win the league without a striker that'll bang them in.

Giroud, as I say, is a good forward.
But a well drilled team, can neutralise him with ease.
He's not going to win a foot race, he's not the most technical, he's strong and had a good left foot.

Get stuck in and show him onto his right and you've stopped him.

Benzema provides more work for the defenders, more for them to deal with.
Not only in terms of a striker, but his pace and running, compared to Olly's, draws players wider and that's going to help Alexis.

My massive bias aside, Özil will also benefit from a player like Benzema to work with.

The players themselves, said that Özil was a massive boost when he joined, because they could see him in training, doing things that nobody else thinks of.

Alexis also had the same effect, Per quoted his desire and work rate as something that really inspires the players.

Big players, like Benzema, offer more than stats.

the other players up their game, they work harder to keep their place, they do more to stay on the same level as the new guy, they try harder to match their ethic and desire.

It rallies the fans, it excites people, makes them cheer harder and gets gate tickets up.

Will he win us the league alone?
No.

But it's a darn addition to that puzzle.

11 Aug 2015 21:37:58
Fantastic reply D_

I was going to post similar about whoever plays for RM will always play 2nd fiddle to Ronaldo.

Not so at Arsenal.

Great reply mate.

12 Aug 2015 10:31:37
Thanks Dag's!
It's nice to know my superhuman powers of arguing are appreciated somewhere!

11 Aug 2015 17:46:45
It might feel bad but a loss in the first match against opponents we should beat may well be the best thing that could have happened; we might actually sign a striker and/or midfielder as Wenger has had to deal with the embarrassment of that dire affair.

Likewise, it shows that the squad cohesion simply meant we were better than the teams we played but not as ready as one who had been already competitive for several weeks now (Everton, Chelsea, Stoke all been absolutely rubbish this past week).

All in all, it's the first game so chill out, basically

11 Aug 2015 20:04:31
Plus imagine if we'd gone unbeaten in our first 10 to 15 games and the hype that would have come with it, INVINCIBLES Mk2 and all that hanging over a team that's very much still emerging from title challenging hibernation, the temptation to hold on in games and not lose when we could have and should have pushed on and won would be enormous.
Every Arsenal team will forever be judged by the invincibles so if there is a good reason to get beaten 1st of the season that's as good as any.

11 Aug 2015 16:51:18
Hope the rumours about carvani aren't true he is awful over rated I'd rather rvp back than him lol

11 Aug 2015 17:29:29
That's some statement crybaby

11 Aug 2015 17:36:51
Your mad. Cavani would be amazing.

Wont happen to. Manu or nothing for him

11 Aug 2015 19:08:49
Sarcasm Crybaby? :-)

11 Aug 2015 19:46:35
Cavani would not be amazing. He'd get a good number of goals yes, but he doesn't have the skill/first touch to play up front for us on his own. Just watch PSG when Ibra is injured and they have to play Cavani up front, and you'll see how 'great' Cavani is.

11 Aug 2015 20:09:05
I'm with Crybaby here, even if he was joking!

He was a very good forward, but recently, he's dropped off, he's not been playing well and he's generally not the forward we saw at Palermo/Napoli.

Maybe it is because he's unhappy, but I'm wary of him!

11 Aug 2015 20:16:38
In no way am I joking he is terrible ok I wouldn't want rvp back but id take anyone b4 him

12 Aug 2015 00:03:05
I would go for little pea or the polish striker at Munich can't spell his name sorry lol

11 Aug 2015 14:55:56
I appreciate all the work you are doing for us fans may GOd surely reward you,cheers men.any further news regarding arsenal transfers?##GOOD WORK,BE BLESSED

11 Aug 2015 12:46:48
Ed, should I be buying a number 9 arsenal shirt and if so, what name should I be putting on it? With limited time left in the window, I just wanted to see what your opinion was......

{Ed001's Note - sorry but getting a player's name is a waste of time in my personal opinion. They will leave in a year or two anyway.}

11 Aug 2015 13:26:44
Ed,

Bet you still had "Rush" on back of yours though :-)

{Ed001's Note - never mate, only player's names I have ever had were gifts from the players.}

11 Aug 2015 13:32:19
It's a good job teams change kits every year ed

{Ed001's Note - don't get me started on that!!}

11 Aug 2015 15:37:47
My first kit was a silver Liverpool shirt with crown paints on. But I disappointed my farther and glory hunted arsenal after the Michael Thomas goal. He still doesn't speak to me. I was only 6 years old

11 Aug 2015 17:43:19
If it makes you lot feel better, I bought 4 Arsenal kits when I had a job and money to do so:
-06 final highbury shirt (classic, love it - no name on the back)
-09/10 kit with Arshavin on the back
-10/11 kit with Nasri on the back
-11/12 kit with RVP on the back

I only have 2 kits now (who doesn't love Arshavin?). Safe to say I learned my lesson

11 Aug 2015 19:04:55
So,

The moral of the story...if Wire gets the players name of back of his shirt, they end up leaving.

Only joking Wire :-)

11 Aug 2015 10:35:15
Cavani as a diffrent option if we don't get benezema?

11 Aug 2015 12:37:39
Doubt it

11 Aug 2015 09:04:00
Just out of interest, what are people's thoughts regarding more signings this season?
Will we sign someone or won't we?

And if we don't sign anyone, are we strong enough?

I don't really know either way myself. I only ask because personally, I want Benzema so badly as I feel he's really what we're missing up top.

That being said, if a striker really isn't available, I wouldn't be happy if we went and got an average one just because.

I ask mostly, because whilst were being linked with half the worlds strikers and midfielders, The Mirror say we're not even close to any signings and aren't really looking!

11 Aug 2015 10:44:25
I think Arsene will still do business if he can get the players he wants at the right price of course :-)
We usually do our buying on the QT so once the deal goes public it means the club we are dealing with is fishing for better offers which gives Arsene the right annoyance and if it ain't wrapped up quickly it usually don't happen at all.

11 Aug 2015 11:47:27
I think we have enough in our locker.

Chelsea are the benchmark but Costa will miss a lot of games and Falcao, since he arrived in England, hasn't exactly hit the ground running.

Hazard will be the difference, again.

Man City will be thereabouts, but again if Aguero misfires, which he won't, than they won't win league.

We have enough, but of course, Benzema will take us to another level altogether.