Arsenal Banter Archive February 11 2016

11 Feb 2016 21:12:08
Check out stan the mans new gaff. Now you know whyrwe spent no money this year. Does he really need a 500 mil pound pad. Know where his priorities lie, himself.

11 Feb 2016 21:39:13
I don't think he's ever hiden that Steve mate Arsenal are an investment to him not a passion which is why for him a cheap 4th beats a costly 1st hands down each season and Arsene has never been under any pressure to do more than keep the champions league Euro's coming in.
He and the people who run the club are into totals much more than titles.

11 Feb 2016 21:41:36
Apparently it's bigger than London and Birmingham combined.

Wouldn't mind him throwing 5% of that amount on Arsenal.

11 Feb 2016 21:57:58
We should protest at the Leicester game by walking out in the 500millionth minute.

That will show them that we are no fools.

11 Feb 2016 21:58:56
I have read that the 200 mil in the cash reserves is a tool used to fund borrowing like calateral. So we won't be spending that while stans in charge.

11 Feb 2016 23:26:58
while i hate it i find it easier to understand than the man city owners, he's a business man and is running it as a business for profit. i know we all long for an owner half as generous as theirs but can any one explain what they get out of it? they seem to be in it for the long haul investing in infastructure and acadamies. but also having to invest every year in players and wages, with a reasonably small following, they can't be breaking even. and keep having to spend more money, than the value of the club is growing. yet they also rarely show up to games so it doesn't seem as though they are doing it for the love of the club like abramovich. so they leave me really confused!

11 Feb 2016 23:58:02
I think to be honest Steve if Stan needs to use an asset to leverage cash he can just use the value of his holding in Arsenal, he doesn't need the cash held in Arsenals reserves. Also don't forget he is the controlling shareholder not the owner, so yes he can get cash out of the business such as the consultant payment he received last year but he can't just take dividends or direct cash unless he pays the same ratio out to the other shareholders, which is mostly Usmanov.

12 Feb 2016 00:54:12
Epping american business is run on massive borrowing, I should know my company is now american owned and the fact that we have 200 mil in cash reserves will enable bigger borrowing and I don't mean for players either. That money will not be used for the team.

12 Feb 2016 01:59:40
Eden all these owners are investing in the future. They are doing it for prestige and the fact that they do make money on a worldwide brand. The glazers bought man u for 800 mil ish. If they sold up tomorrow the club would sell for billions not millions.

12 Feb 2016 05:24:18
Kronke is perfectly entitled to spend his funds how he wishes. He hasn't borrowed against his share in the club. He hasn't taken out the huge amount in the club's account. I believe that the spending policy at Arsenal is largely down to Wenger, who is cautious when spending, despite the funds being available. This is not a criticism, Wenger runs the club sensibly and although a times, as fans, we tend to get a little frustrated, he has taken us through the difficult period of funding the training complex and new stadium.

I fail to understand the criticism of Kronke, who has appeared to allow the club to be run well and has taken very little out of the club, despite investing a huge amount purchasing his shareholding. I can only imagine people are envious of his recent land purchase.

12 Feb 2016 13:35:45
Again I have no problem with Kronke. He doesn't appear to interfere, nor use the clubs funds. Quite what he is supposed to do wrong is beyond me. The lack of spending at the club is down to Wenger, not Kronke. It appears that the owners of clubs either get accused of interfering or of lacking interest. Who in PL is a better owner? Man City and Chelsea have bought themselves success. The Glazers are always being criticised and have used the club for their own financial needs. Tottenham have a silent owner and have been behind Arsenal in every sense, since the early 1980's.
Quite what you expect Kronke to do would be interesting. As I see it, he supports the manager in the decisions and directions that he wishes to go.

12 Feb 2016 20:02:20
The fact is stanley has built up a big sports empire, that makes a lot of money, but not very successful at winning things. Plus apparently he ain't silent either, especially when it comes to shelling out money, he doesn't like paying out for success on the field. Profits are king.

13 Feb 2016 00:40:42
I am afraid I mostly agree with RG here. I don't like Stan because he is not an Arsenal fan, but then again neither was Usmanov. However Stan has not taken large sums from the club and has not leveraged his purchase or future income. As I have previously said he is the controlling shareholder not the owner, so yes he has massive influence on how Arsenal spend and distributes its wealth, but it's not 100% his and he therefore can't just take cash out. Ideally for me he would realise that his asset value has risen sharply at Arsenal and with his future plans for his American nfl franchise coming up, decide to cash in his Arsenal stake to someone else. The trouble is that won't be to the Arsenal supporters trust, it will just be to another person who 10 years ago had never heard of the premiership let alone Arsenal.

13 Feb 2016 14:45:29
Epping stan is the owner, however you dress it up and no he won't touch the cash, if you read its used as a tool ( to show how strong arsenal is financially within the group) to fund more borrowing, that's how american business is run. Not my opinion, its a fact.

13 Feb 2016 19:07:20
Steve your talking specifically on the deal done by the glazers when they bought Man Utd. There is no evidence Stan has done this. Yes he can borrow on the value of his holding or future earnings from his holding, but to be honest that's how most business is run. I also work for an American firm, which happens to be one of the largest financial firms on this earth. I wouldn't get too Hung up on this 200 million cash though. He is a billionaire, so him worrying over whether we spend any of this so called 200 million is like you not going to work until you find the 20p you dropped down the back of the sofa. However I do agree with you that when you look at all his sporting franchises in the US none are particularly in the top tier, which is worrying. Would I prefer another owner, yes absolutely, but not if its Usmanov or anyone else who wants short term gains over long term stability. We're only supporters of this club today. It's not our right to sell the clubs future to the devil just to get short term gains today. That would not be fair to fans in the next generation.

13 Feb 2016 19:40:20
Eppng, Stan holds the aces and what he owns or doesn't own, whether it be usminov or whoever that's really not an issue for us anyway but kroenke is nt trying to make us more successful, but more profitable. He hasn't once come out and say i want arsenal to be as big as it can be and i will do all i can to make sure that happens. He wants to be as rich as he can, people like him, that is all that counts, its an ego thing. All his sports ventures are all run the same way, he won't kick us on, just keep us ticking over.

11 Feb 2016 19:08:26
So, how are we going to approach Leicester game?

They have an amazing stat, they basically concede possession in all games and hit on counter, normally through Mahrez and Vardy.

I think we need a combo of Kos and Gabs and hope Coquelin is fit.

I would start with Walcott upfront, his pace would trouble them and would hopefully keep them pinned back.

Got a strange feeling we will turn on the style and beat them 2-0.

11 Feb 2016 19:35:32
Personally I think we will win with theo up top and not win if giroud up top. I agree it will be all about pace both ends.

{Ed025's Note - giroud all day for me steve, im not his biggest fan but feel he will cause them more problems than theo mate..

11 Feb 2016 19:42:08
2 1 win for me, its a 100% must win for us or our season could be all but done by March so we simply have to be up for this one.

{Ed025's Note - you will be and will win comfortably G62...and you can take that to the bank.. :)

11 Feb 2016 19:42:54
Id leave the ball in there half at kick off and then go back to our penalty area. Don't think theyl know what to do.

11 Feb 2016 20:01:43
Ed we are one of only two teams to beat Leicester this season and it was basically theo and sanchez against vardy and marez and we outgunned them. Giroud would slow our attacks down in my opinion and put us in greater danger of counter attack. We won't beat Leicester by sitting back, a good old shoot out is what we need. Plus it will wake the library up.

{Ed025's Note - it will be a shoot out steve and one im looking forward to, giroud gives you a different option for me, all that tika-taka is nice when it comes off but giroud in the side means you can go long, and high if needs be...now that i know how you feel i will be backing giroud to get a hatrick, be man of the match, and run for the french presidency mate.. :)

11 Feb 2016 20:07:53
Hope so Ed as it could reignite our title challenge if we play and win well every bit as much as defeat could do the opposit, Leicester won't go down without a real battle that's for sure mate.

{Ed025's Note - if arsenal score first G62 leicester will fold like a pack of cards mate ......you heard it here first.. :)

11 Feb 2016 20:20:18
Derby if I was them I'd just keep hold of the ball in their own half and take an easy point that would suit them much more than us mate.
May stick to the recruitment side of things Derby mate :*)

11 Feb 2016 20:34:52
Not sure Ed they've come back from 2 0 more than once this season mate, personally i think they will go the full 15 rounds and it will take a very big effort and performance from us to get the fight stopped early.

{Ed025's Note - the pressure is on now G62, i have seen it with blackburn (even though they scraped over the line) and newcastle under keegan, i dont wish this on them mate but scrambled heads are definitely on the menu in the run in..

11 Feb 2016 20:43:15
Ed either way I hope you are right, if i'm not. don't mind a giroud hat trick and mom if it means a win, struggling to see it though.

{Ed025's Note - trust me steve..im a doctor.. :)

11 Feb 2016 21:31:52
True Ed they wouldn't be the first team to lose their nerve but what I think is different about Leicester is they aren't an assembled bunch of big money buys with big price tags and ego's to match for do think they have the underdogs fighting spirit others sometimes lack, for most of their players this is their one chance where as with ours city and even Spurs players they expect to get other opportunities in the future, I think that mentality both ways could be a big factor, time will tell as always mate.

{Ed025's Note - that for me is what is against them G62..big time players have been there and done it, these guys are fledglings and have never been in a position like this before, up to now they have played without fear mate, that will change the nearer the finish line gets..

11 Feb 2016 21:47:55
Ed if you think that about Leicester then that puts us in the same boat, we have a great record of winning the league in jan and feb, then falling away by april. I the last eleven years the only months we haven't topped the league is april and may, says it all.

{Ed025's Note - thats a fair point steve, the only thing is that with players like kos, cech, ozil and sanchez you have big game players, i see nothing of that in the leicester side mate..

11 Feb 2016 21:51:46
Your probably right mate, but I wouldn't be surprised if come May the Rocky Balboa club ain't still standing.

11 Feb 2016 22:01:21
Ed, you see nothing of that calibre yet. Could change, interesting.

{Ed025's Note - i could be wrong steve...after all theres a first time for everything mate.. :)

11 Feb 2016 23:25:30
True 62 lol.

12 Feb 2016 03:03:04
I'm worried about this match, hope we don't go too gung ho and it turns into a disaster.

11 Feb 2016 23:37:02
i would dissagree with you ed, i personally think they have plenty of expirience dealing with pressure they dealt with the relegation battle last year and won the championship the year before niether is winning the premier league, but it does give them expirience in what it takes winning and crossing the line and both are potentially worth more to the football club and carry a similar pressure.

{Ed025's Note - that is a valid point eden, but as you point out its not winning the biggest prize in english football, scrapping and desire are great traits to have in a football team but it can only get you so far imo, leicester have been brilliant this season and a breath of fresh air and if they won it no one would be happier for them than me, but you have to be a realist and say arsenal and city have a far better squad plus they have not had a major injury or suspension crisis yet.. well tats my view mate for what its worth

12 Feb 2016 11:45:56
By my count Ed both teams have exactly 1 premier league winner in their squads. Both won it at Chelsea with the Special One I believe.

{Ed025's Note - yes rosie but arsenal have the likes of ozil and sanchez, i know mahrez and kante are good but your pair are world class and i cant see anyone who would get in your side except possibly vardy for giroud, i might be eating humble pie come the weekend but im not heating up any custard just yet mate.. :)

11 Feb 2016 07:27:00
Eds, Why was my post about adopting a song like crystal palace not allowed?

{Ed001's Note - no idea, I didn't deal with it.}

11 Feb 2016 09:51:07
Came across it on others page mate.

11 Feb 2016 13:27:59
Its on other posts.