Arsenal Banter Archive July 11 2014

11 Jul 2014 22:44:47
Boys and jenny what I am about to say I beleive I will get slated for but I feel I must put it out there. kHEDIRA is over rated and not no better than flamini nothing against flamini as he is a fantastic organizer and very disciplined but got £23m I would like a bit better. I beleive that KHEDIRA is an up grade to arteta and that's it. He's as consistant as miralles of Everton and rio Ferdinand, good in patches but not great. Right here comes my barracking. Is honestly prefer to spend £5m on Barry than 23 on him

11 Jul 2014 23:18:20
Maids,

I'm not going to totally disagree because I have always said if we get a DM I would prefer Spyder (Schneiderlin).

Wow I have to say you are 150% wrong, but you are entitled to your opinion. Kedira is a beast and when he plays he controls the game unlike Barry ot flamini who do their thing but don't influence play. Kedira is world class the others are good class.

You are correct in what you say

You will get slated and get a barracking.

You will be excused as the consensus will be that you have just got in from the pub

Not going to slate you as your entitled to your opinion.
I think khedira is top class. He's not a true DM very much a box to box player. Your comparison to Flamini I can't agree with. When you take khediras performance against Brasil and ask would Flamini done the same I wouldn't be able to say yes. Not even close. He certainly is an upgrade on Arteta you have that right.

I'm not entirely, sure why he's even in the frame for the holding role. He plays box to box at madrid. Alonso is the holding mid. Schneiderlin or bender for me anyday.

In what way is khedira overrated?
he's immense stamina? physical presence? ability on the ball? great passing range? great team player?
versatility in the middle of the park? great reader of the game? strong in the air and in the tackle?. these are all qualities in khedira and qualities that a proper midfield enforcer should have. when real Madrid won the title under mourinho, khedira was he's engine, anchor and battler.
I don't know what qualities you see in barry (slow, weak, average) that makes you think he is anywhere near as good as khedira never mind being better.
Dags I agree schneiderlin would also be a great option too, but other sitting deeper, he is no different to khedira imo, just believe the experience of khedira playing at the top top level gives him the edge.

I agree saying i'd like Barry, but Khedira is awesome. £23m on him is worth every penny

11 Jul 2014 21:40:14
Upfront>>

Sanchez Remy Walcott.

Speedy or what?

C'mon, can you honestly say this trio don't excite you?

Talk to Dag's.

11 Jul 2014 23:36:47
The OX - Sanchez - Walcott excites me more. sorry Dags!

Sanchez Walcott Ozil

For me this would enable a much stronger midfield.

12 Jul 2014 00:28:46
Dags, I'm converted. I'm now a disciple in your Remy cult. Get him in! Do we have like, a temple we can go to Dags? How about some monks robes? We can chant his name together.

12 Jul 2014 08:33:20
Outback,

The Remy monastery is now officially open.

Prayers start at 10am.
Please shave your head and bring your own bell.

Just imagining us all in puma sponsored togas with jenny bringing grapes round in a bowl in a huge remy shaped temple, and like if you look at the pool on the right light, there's like a mosaic of dags 'kissing' remy

12 Jul 2014 16:10:11
Don't give me idea's Saint, lol.

11 Jul 2014 19:56:04
Arsenal are hard on the heels of Khedira, what a signing that would be .

11 Jul 2014 20:46:30
That would be the cherry on the cake mate.

Top top player.

Couldn't post a comment the other way. Question for the arsenal what do you think of your new kit, I'm not rating it no football shirt should be a skin tight shirt? Sanchez suits red and white though.

11 Jul 2014 21:37:16
Khedira a would be a great addition, add in Remy , Debuchy and maybe a central defensive player and we won't be looking to bad at all. I'm not sure how I feel about having a 'non' disappointing transfer window tbh.

We will have some side if we get him Banbury mate that's for sure.
A couple of squad additions and we will be able to rotate so no player has to do what Giroud had to do last season plus be able
to pick the team needed on a match to match basis according to opponents and whether home or away.

{Ed025's Note - sounds good G62..

11 Jul 2014 23:22:38
Stecfc,

Bit tight for my liking.

Agreed G62, I believe we really are just a couple of players away from having a side that can really challenge

11 Jul 2014 20:12:22
Just having a general rant/moan/putting it out there. With all these potential signings/interest in a whole host of players

Imagine say give or take a typical lineup and of course pretend they are all fit. is :

Szczesny, Gibbs, Mertz, Kos, (if)Debuchy (Jenk), Ramsey, Wilshere, Ozil, Sanchez, Giroud, Walcott (ox)

So questions like TV5 is he leaving? Djourou (haha) is still on our books is he not? Rosicky, Arteta, Diaby, Cazorla, Flamini? Midfield crazy? (not including if anymore transfers) Podolski, Sanogo, Gnabry, Is campbell coming back or wanting a transfer? Miyaichi-loan? Coquelin haha?

Yes we need a bench and rotation but a lot of these plays should/want to be first team (some are getting on abit or just should get FOOKED). I know it won't exactly be my lineup but if its slightly different then question rotates to the players that are swapped out AND that's me not even including any further/other transfers during the period that will then shift other players in and out of 1st team/bench.

Opinions/thoughts/facts?

Cheers all!

11 Jul 2014 20:55:38
With a few more signings we could be in a position where we could rotate players and still play a very very strong first 11 and have 4 or 5 top players on the bench.

When was the last time that happened?

11 Jul 2014 22:19:36
I disagree for me its a great problem to have. Allows us to rotate more and therefore reduce injuries and makes us more capable of competing on all fronts. Yes some may want first team football but the chance to play a part in a Premiership challenging side is still an achievement. Diaby and Miyaichi do not count either.

Arteta is a very capable squad player who can also help the young players mature with the right attitude.

Hey thanks for replies,

Ha true I guess i'm used to a first 11 usually and that's it, Its weird for arsenal to have depth. And not the entire team in wheelchairs with injuries lol.

11 Jul 2014 19:58:29
Ed's, what the score with Johan Djourou. In April it was reported he had signed for Hamburg permanently. He is in the Hamburg squad for 2014/15 on their website and he is also on the Arsenal. Have we sold him or not?

{Ed027's Note - he played a certain amount of games which made his move permanent, just awaiting official conformation I think

11 Jul 2014 18:25:53
Re ed027's comment re the cutch dunt, I've got to admit I had a wet dream about RVP last night! I ran him over and pxxxxx myself laughing! Sad, very sad.

11 Jul 2014 17:27:27
I see Gavidis is saying there is more work to be done .chop chop then, let's get it done in July

11 Jul 2014 16:22:23
still buzzing from Sanchez, hope there's more to come.
Just a thought, seeing as debouchy is a done deal and seems also the young right back from Athletico Madrid, could AW be considering turning Jenkinson into a CB of the Tony Adams mould? he would learn off Mert and Kos, Vermalaen for another year. Also with Bould coaching?
As I said just a thought!

Interesting idea. he did, of course, start off as a centre back. that's where he was deployed for charlton. his crossing ability is good though, my problem with him though is when he's issolated one on one he very rarely comes up trumps, prehaps this could be paperd over if he were to play centrally?

That's what I thought Saint!

11 Jul 2014 20:32:16
Good shout Craney.

Not a bad shout. He certainly has the height and pace to play CB, just needs to show he has the positional nouse.

11 Jul 2014 15:50:17
Is arsenal signing debuchy or not thought it was imenent

Apparently will be announced Monday.

11 Jul 2014 15:32:49
Any news surrounding the fact that Diaby's number has been changed from 2 to 24? 2 is traditionally a RB's number and I'm wondering if the bump to Diaby is to facilitate a new RB's desire?

He changed his number before last season.

He changed last year, but I expect Debuchy to be Arsenal's number 2 this season.

11 Jul 2014 15:13:11
Can't wait for the Community shield game

Sanchez in the bag

Hopefully now a RB, DM (Bender), ST

Winning the shield would be an incredible springboard for the beginning of the season!

11 Jul 2014 15:34:51
I concur. great times to be a gooner :)

11 Jul 2014 12:29:12
Eds, is it true what I'm hearing that the Remy deal has fallen through due to his wages demands. Shame if it does as I think he'd be good addition to the squad

Also re goalkeepers, are we close to signing competition/back-up for Szczesny

{Ed027's Note - don't know mate, and Ospina is of interest from Arsenal

Dags will need to take a cut in his commission for the deal to go through then!

11 Jul 2014 16:18:08
Gooner,

I'm working for love alone, no commission lol.

11 Jul 2014 13:39:16
DAGS

Remy wants too much to come to us. thank god .

Think we will look elsewhere matey

Who does he think he is

11 Jul 2014 16:24:43
Yeah I have heard mate.

Shame, because I think he would have been a great signing and another option upfront.

Clearly an attitude problem, we are Arsenal, he should be grateful we have come in for him. Get here first, put in some good performances and earn a pay rise

11 Jul 2014 13:19:31
Was going to buy new Arsenal top today but might just buy a can of spray paint instead and spray it on.

Or am I being tighter than the top itself? Lol.

11 Jul 2014 12:40:23
Read that fabregas had a part in convincing sanchez to join arsenal when he was at barca. I think cesc is still and always be a gunner at heart! Nyway i'm just going to say it agn ' sanchez is a gunner!'😃

Fabregas ain't no gunner.
I defended him when he moved to barca. But now he's dead to me.

Fab went back to his boyhood club can not really blam him for wanting that and it turns out they did not want him in the end I don't think we wanted him back if we did we would been in for him so what is the guy ment to do if barca didn't want him anymore and Wenger felt funds wer better spent els were Chealse was pretty much his only option

11 Jul 2014 14:53:33
I agree that Chelsea was his only option but he's no true gooner.

He showed us that when he left us in the lurch

11 Jul 2014 20:08:43
Knocking Cesc is a bit harsh imo. He is still Arsenal. It was Arsene's decision, not Cesc's.

11 Jul 2014 11:25:38
Greatings from Wenger here at the beach. Okay boys and girls. Our main problems have been injuries and squad depth now that Wenger is adressing them 1.by bringing in new training and physio specialist and 2.buying and not selling our best and effective players. Some boys and girls suggesting sell poldi, carzola
arteta and others. let's learn from the past guys. Otherwise am still suffering from Sanchez fever.cheers

GGet off the beach and grab yourself a case of Stella.
You've earnt it!

11 Jul 2014 11:03:17
not realy arsenal related but still puts a smile on my face. vertonghen will be moving to barca this summer. oh dear spurs fans. 7th at best this season.

11 Jul 2014 10:10:12
Once the DMF position is sorted I think we have every reason to believe that all is possible for us next season.
We have Sanchez Ramsy Ozil who are all capable of match winning performances, now if we can just plug that match losing hole once and for all nothing will be beyond us

11 Jul 2014 10:54:55
g62 I have a feeling we are going to do that and a little bit more :-)

11 Jul 2014 09:16:18
It's a good time to be a gooner at the moment.
FA cup win and now showing ambition in the transfer market fairly early on. Hopefully avoiding a repea t of our previous deadline day scrambles.

Does this indicate a change in approach of wenger?
Hopefully he'll think about just giving up a little bit of control to his backroom staff as well.
Something he's been accused of not doing in previous seasons.

I think Wenger know this is his final contract, he has worked so hard during his time here that he wants to leave with the club winning trophy's, especially the Champions league, I reckon he is going to really push for that.
Go on you glorious gunners!

10 Jul 2014 23:51:00
Ed002 I understand we have bid for Khedira, is is it correct or just media stuff that he has. Stated that he wants to be the highest paid at the club?, also is the bid of an acceptable value cheers much appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

11 Jul 2014 06:33:48
Absolutely Buzzing. while I still feel Chelsea have the better squad with depth, Man city have the pedigree, Manchester United have the easier fixture list, and we have passed the weed to liverpool for the next toke, we have done quite well to snap up a RB(to be confirmed) and Alexis freaking Sanchez.

not to mention the possibility of signing khedira, if his wage demands get reasonable that is.

been a brilliant transfer window already, some may say we are easily pleased, but for a Club that never buys such superstars or players of higher quality, it is exciting, Ozil now Sanchez. i'm in tears and laughing.

Big shout out to the ED's for their info, taking time out from their glamorous lives to let the commoners know a bit more. its not Easy living in Monaco among one of you many haunts and being Ed002, neither is it easy melting in the heat and chilling in the AC in Dubai such as Ed001, or taking long terms of absence almost wenger like for Ed0027, not to forget Ed0025 who is as famous as he is in his speedos, and as witty as a gunman in a liquor store.( hand over the southern comfort and nobody gets hurt)

{Ed025's Note - it looks like the money men finally got the message lakes, invest in quality players..or get left behind, a fantastic stadium is wasted on a side who cant make the top 4, very exciting times ahead at the emirates by the looks of it, and with one or two additions could very well be the team to beat mate..

Perhaps we have quite the first team if we do add khedira, but depth wise I don't think we can match chelsea or city to contend on multiple fronts, unless the likes of wilshere, ox, raise their games with consistency, and the likes of cazorla and arteta can be counted on when their numbers are called.

but being able to contend for trophies at national level, be it Carling cup, FA cup, EPL is quite possible.

i just feel that bayern, madrid and barcelona have just gone to another level, and it will take a lot of luck to win that competition against those teams stacked with world class quality in more positions than I can think of.

11 Jul 2014 11:31:04
Lakerville,

I think your maybe understating us a little, which is totally understandable as I'm not going to get carried away with we'll now win everything going.

But you can't say we have any what was called deadwood left, the likes of Arteta can play a great role in rotation.

I still haven't forgotten what we did to Bayern until the Ozil penalty.

It is in the team to do that and these additions and confidence will be key, let's start with not losing to the likes of City and Chelsea and continue to beat the smaller teams like Liverpool and Manchester United. Lol. ;-)

Jenny behave urself it only took us 30 mins to embarrasses you boys last year. Come the end of the season we will see who is the smaller team

11 Jul 2014 15:16:13
Lbrett,

Did you not see the wink as a little jest and yes we'll see who is the little club, depends on whether Liverpool or United finish 5th or 6th being the decider. ;-)

Glad your still aiming for 4th place lol when will be still lookin to win the thing again

11 Jul 2014 05:21:56
With the signing last summer of Ozil and now Sanchez, it appears that we are able to compete at the very top, signing world class players in their prime.
We need to sign a keeper, a centre back & a defensive midfield player. Hopefully, these will also be high quality signings. I'm nit sure about an extra forward, as we have many options now we have signed Sanchez & Joel Campbell proved his talent at the World Cup.

Sales will be necessary to accommodate the new signings & increase the quality of the squad. I would like to see the following depart:
Jenkinson, Djourou, Vermaelen (not the same player since his achilles ops), Flamini & Arteta.
A possible departure may be Podolski, whom I would like to retain.
We have a busy start to the campaign with the Charity Shield and CL qualifiers, as well as PL matches. With players coming back late after World Cup duty, we will need a deep, quality squad. I can't recall be so excited about a new season, since we signed Bergkamp & Platt.

When I see how quickly people want to dispatch long serving players and Wenger and Ramsey recently - it makes me more sympathetic to NASRI, VAN PERSIE etc who got so much stick for leaving.

Thanks AW for keeping the Arsenal family together! COYG

11 Jul 2014 00:19:40
Eds, apart from the debuchy deal, do you see any more deals happening for us?

{Ed027's Note - plenty mate, gk, dm, cb. Then the rumoured arrivals of Manquilo and possibly Remy

Wow! What a window to be an arsenal fan!

Cheers for the reply ed.

Is the CB in addition to the three we have? or to replace the verminator? Because if not I'm worried about not having a 4th CB. We got away with it last year because sagna could fill in.

Oh and did you know we signed some bloke called sanchez?! He's supposed to be quite good ;)

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11 Jul 2014 00:53:05
One down 4 more to go. Its hotting up lady and gents. Just need a bit of power in dm area and we are cooking on gas. I do think there could be a lot of changes this year, its shaping up that way.

11 Jul 2014 08:16:28
I'm doing my best to stay calm but so excited about who else is coming, we're in for a least one more nice surprise which will include the elusive CDM :-)

11 Jul 2014 00:10:37
I usually come on here to have a moan and a vent, but today I am taking the opportunity to say well done Arsenal!

I read Ed 02 saying we've put a bid in for Sammy Khedira, with Debuchy looking likely i'm liking the fact were doing business early and liking the quality of our targets too!

10 Jul 2014 23:39:49
I take it it was past Rambo and Wilsheres bedtime? Or maybe they need to lose a few pounds put on over summer to fit in to those svelt spray on kits.
Our three models.
Cazorla, who could be off
Arteta, who could be off
Flamini, who'll play about ten games next year hopefully.

11 Jul 2014 06:51:38
All to do with the boots they wear I think AG, all wear Puma boots. Aaron is Adidas and all the World Cup guys are still on leave.

Ah Jenny you are very clever - thx!

10 Jul 2014 23:32:23
We have plenty of attacking option now with Sanchez signing, But because of this I feel Cazorla now may be left out in the cold, his best position is in central attacking midfield position but that area is now very crowded and hence why he is played left to fit him in, but with Sanchez now commanding first team action he may be the one squeezed out.

Some may say get rid of Podolski instead but I see him as better wide left competition with his natural left foot for Sanchez rather than Cazorla is. Not that I want to get rid of Cazorla I just feel something has to give.

I still think we need another big central main striker to challenge Giroud aswell though. Sonogo needs to go out on loan for me and Campbell I am not convinced about really as being a consistent enough goalscorer to at our level to challenge Giroud, yes you could play him out wide but we have better options already in those positions. So I would like another Central main striker and sell Campbell not sure if Jackson Martinez is the answer but he has a good goal scoring record.

Our front players apart from Giroud are very interchangeable and there are several formation lines up you could come up with that would be equally as strong.

Flamini is still our best Dm but would like us to get a upgrade, Arteta I will be willing to sell if another Dm comes in.

TV5 I defo. want to keep but with him being on final year its a awkward situation but the little money we would get for him the replacement would not be as good or as experienced. If he leaves our CB options are quite Limited really. Vertoghen might be good option to come in. Back up keeper also needed anybody experienced really

{Ed025's Note - good port that ryan..

11 Jul 2014 03:09:54
We have good competition for every position. But we have only Mesut for no. 10, and only Santi can fill in effectively. Aaron, Jack and possibly Alex as box to box midfielders. Lukas, Alexis, Theo, Serge, Tomas, Joel for the front two winger positions. Olivier, Joel,Yaya for the target man. By this I sense we need a new target man and DM (Arteta and Flamini as backup).