Arsenal Banter Archive July 11 2017

11 Jul 2017 18:21:52
Does anyone think we missed an opportunity with Rodriguez going to Bayern on loan with a buy out of £31 million?

11 Jul 2017 22:46:08
bayern best run club in world football imo. deal of the summer hands down.

11 Jul 2017 22:57:23
Personally I doubt he ever wanted to come to arsenal. I think we enquired.

11 Jul 2017 23:02:20
Brilliant business by Bayern but let's not beat ourselves up over it because this deal wasn't available to us like most other clubs.
Bayern can virtually guarantee a title medal and champions league latter stages each and virtually every season.
No premier league club can match that.

12 Jul 2017 00:33:28
If Sanchez leaves then I would probably say yes. Lemar might have huge potential but Rodriguez is coming into his prime. His 28 goals and 27 assist in 77 la liga games is also really good, even better looking at the minutes he's played since that's just about 55 full 90 min games, so he produced a point every 90 minutes he played. Which is very similar to what both Özil (0,91p/ 90m) and Sanchez (1,03p/ 90m) produced in la liga, and they've both done ok at Arsenal.

Keeping the formation from the end of the season and having Lacazette as the striker and Özil and Rodriguez behind him, and Ramsey doing his offensive runs into the opposition box I reckon would have produce loads of goals.

However I don't really know anything about his mentality, personality, work rate etc that's also important so if he's not a fighter and a leader I'd say no for sure.

But with Rodriguez at Bayern and there never seemed like Arsenal had any interest it doesn't really matter either way, only good news that he didn't join a pl rival.

12 Jul 2017 06:48:22
Absolutely not. I'm not sure he would suit the PL.

12 Jul 2017 10:37:54
lemar for me I see something great in the kid.

12 Jul 2017 20:16:10
How come transfers between non EPL big teams do business very cheaply. And this thing of loan and buy is common between them. Is there something i'm missing?

11 Jul 2017 18:42:00
Ed02 do you have any latest regarding lemar or mbappe?
Are Arsenal near to any deal?
Wajid.

{Ed002's Note - Apparently my input is not welcome on the Arsenal page - so there won't be anymore.}

11 Jul 2017 18:55:42
Ed, the morons ruin it for the masses. Can't them people just be blocked and we can carry on as usual?

You know 99% of posters on here really value your inside knowledge, come back Ed and say h#ck you to the morons.

We need a sharkopod mate:)

{Ed002's Note - Sadly not.}

11 Jul 2017 21:18:13
Sorry to hear that Ed, but like Peter says 99% value you and all the other eds input! who tells an Ed their input isn't valued on a site they help run! Lol 😂.

11 Jul 2017 11:48:23
Eds . With AW saying Alexis is going nowhere at the moment and won't be sold to City but if he digs his heels in, am I right in thinking he can talk to any club from Jan 1st 2018? And if so what do you think will happen then.

Paul.

{Ed002's Note - He could talk to clubs outside of England and Wales. In May he could talk with English and Welsh clubs.}

11 Jul 2017 12:58:59
Wenger is playing his cards cannily. If Sanchez has to stay for the remainder of his contract, he will be in his 30th year of age when he starts looking for a new club in January 2018. Although a new club wouldn't have to pay a transfer fee, he is still likely to demand wages in the region of £350,000 per week for a long term deal of say 5 years, costing a club approximately £90m, with little hope of a future sell on transfer fee. As far as Sanchez is concerned, Man City may not be prepared to wait a year to sign him and he will lose out on a wage increase for the forthcoming season as he will remain on his current wages, which I believe are approx £7m per year. If his new deal is at say £300,000 per week with Arsenal, he would earn an extra £8.6m.
From Arsenal's point of view, if he stays without extending his deal, we lose out on the reported transfer fee of £50m and we have a player who wants out.
Perhaps Wenger's opening gambit is to show that Arsenal are not desperate and try to raise the fee City are likely to pay us.

11 Jul 2017 14:42:17
Im interested to know, seeing that not many, if any teams would buy and pay sanchez for arguments sake £ 400,00. If we offered him a new deal for two years of the said amount, it would cost us 10 mil ish a year. I don't think its all about money for sanchez but it would give both sides a bit of breathing space and a compromise. Just a thought.

11 Jul 2017 16:56:31
sanchez doesn't want 400k imo. he is just pricing himself out of arsenal talks.

11 Jul 2017 18:53:31
But surely derby he does want that money (probably) because bayern have dropped out because they can't afford him. Whatever he wants he wants to play for a team that has ambition and with that rewards. Signings and changes show everyone that. Keeping sanchez, signing top players and showing strength is what all players want to see who want to win. Selling and giving in is not.

11 Jul 2017 18:53:31
But surely derby he does want that money (probably) because bayern have dropped out because they can't afford him. Whatever he wants he wants to play for a team that has ambition and with that rewards. Signings and changes show everyone that. Keeping sanchez, signing top players and showing strength is what all players want to see who want to win. Selling and giving in is not.

11 Jul 2017 21:57:07
I think steve if we say ok we have accepted citys bid he will sign for around 300k a week no more.

11 Jul 2017 22:23:31
Derby surely he must sign for city for the same or more than we have offered. He hasn't fallen out with anyone. I don't personally see him signing for less money, I don't get that.

11 Jul 2017 22:25:23
I obviously don't know what we have offered himm the 440 k was for devilment. But surely he will leave for more money.

11 Jul 2017 22:47:51
well steve we have offered around 300k him asking for 400k is either bull or him making him too pricey so he doesn't sign. will city pay him 400k a week. no mate.

11 Jul 2017 09:31:09
I'm wondering if Sanchez stays and reviews the situation in the January transfer window.
Who thinks that might be a decent compromise? .

11 Jul 2017 10:14:35
If he stays until January he will be in an even stronger position that he is now and the stronger Alexis hand gets the weaker Arsenals becomes.

Either he signs or goes this summer imo.

{Ed025's Note - i love the guys ability G62 but im not happy about the way he is conducting himself by basically holding the club to ransom, yes hes brilliant but no player is bigger than the club and especially a club like arsenal who have lost players like henry, bergkamp and rvp in the past and still survived, time to get rid imo and show the footballing world that arsenal are bigger than one player mate..

11 Jul 2017 10:38:46
Ed - how does getting rid of him show the football world no player is bigger than Arsenal? Surely it can only look like we are a selling club / not big enough?

I'm not saying we should keep him, but unless he goes outside of the prem we look weak. If we end up winning the league without him then we can all say yeah we didn't need you Alexis, but let's be realistic that ain't going to happen.

{Ed025's Note - it would tell other players that arsenal will not be held to ransom for me scar, if you pay this brat £400k a week then as sure as eggs is eggs the rest will be knocking on arsene,s door looking for a pay hike, this will make buying players harder and the knock on effect will be unsustainable, but of course thats just my view mate and i suppose some will see it as naive but i hate greed..

11 Jul 2017 10:43:32
Couldn't agree more Ed025 mate and I don't think we should be to precious about where he goes either, if city want pay way above what others are offering snatch their hands off.
Stop worrying about whether it's good for city of good for Alexis concentrate on what makes Arsenal stringer and to my mind City's 80 million makes Arsenals job of replacing Sanchez much more doable than PSG 40 million.
For us it needs to be 100% about us and not what we fear about others in my opinion.

{Ed025's Note - absolutely G62..

11 Jul 2017 12:23:43
Sell Alexis to City and we've handed the premier league title to them, what's the point?

Keep him another season and I think he will continue to give 110% for us. With alexis and new signings it gives us a real shot at title. and that's worth more than the £40-50m we'd get for him.

11 Jul 2017 12:23:43
Sell Alexis to City and we've handed the premier league title to them, what's the point?

Keep him another season and I think he will continue to give 110% for us. With alexis and new signings it gives us a real shot at title. and that's worth more than the £40-50m we'd get for him.

11 Jul 2017 13:05:18
But detriot if we keep Sanchez will we realistically the league mate? If not what does it matter if city do, or would you prefer Spurs :-)
Sanchez is good but I don't think he alone is a garamtee of winning the league, even Suarez alone wasn't good enough to get Liverpool over the line in 2014 and I've never seen anyone have a better premier league season than he did that season.

11 Jul 2017 16:59:14
am I the only one who thinks he's told he clubs he wants to go? and its now just tactics from both sides.
I honestly don't hate him for wanting to go if i'm in his shoes I do the same. but let's get the fee and move on.

11 Jul 2017 17:58:50
I certainly don't hold his ambition against him either Derby, other players and the club in general haven't shown the same enthusiasm and determination to win big prizes as Alexis has shown consistently over the last 3 years so what's has anyone to feel let down about by Sanchez.
He's wants out and it's difficult to argue he hasn't given his all to the club while with us so let's get the best possible price and move on.
Alexis Sanchez has been a brilliant player for Arsenal as have many in the past now let's concentrate on finding the next generation of great Arsenal players and hopefully learning from what we got wrong during Sanchez time with the club.

11 Jul 2017 19:35:43
Gunner you would have thought they'd had enough lessons on that by now.

11 Jul 2017 20:09:18
Winding the clock back isn't possible Steve mate so what can we do but learn and be different in the future mate?

11 Jul 2017 21:09:20
But do we learn in the future.

11 Jul 2017 01:57:21
For me there are a few players that are capable of carrying the right team to a league title. Kante, Kane, Aguero, De gea, a fit Kompany and I put Sanchez in there as well, that's why you don't sell them or him to a rival.

11 Jul 2017 08:09:20
So does that mean if city sign Sanchez they we will win the title mate?
If so does that mean if he stays we will win the title :-)

There's another school of thought that says there are few clubs who would turn down £40 million extra to spite another club while doing Utd Chelsea and Spurs a bigger favour than yourself by doing so :-)

If we force Sanchez abroad Chelsea Utd Spurs plus all other clubs will be well pleased with us and if in doing so we cost ourselves 40 million in transfer muscle they will be so pleased thier smiles might burst into laughter too :-)

11 Jul 2017 14:14:23
With the right team yes these players are the sort of players to carry that team to a league title. And yes with the right players can carry us to one too. If you sell these type of players you don't win them.

11 Jul 2017 18:07:35
Steve all teams that win have the right players surely mate, Leicester 2015/ 16 it's impossible to argue they didn't have the right players and they did it very convincingly without the help of Sanchez :-)

11 Jul 2017 19:39:23
But they had Kante, that's my point and look what that type of player does when he is in the right team.