Arsenal Banter Archive June 11 2013

11 Jun 2013 22:54:23
What would everyone prefer hypothetically if we sign the four outfield players everyone is saying we will?

Williams-Wanyama-Cesc-Michu
or
Sakho-Fellaini-Grenier-Higuain

I would personally take the latter but was just interested how Cesc would effect everybody's choice?

First.
Flybo

Definately the latter. As long as Cesc stayed at Barca then I'd be over the moon.

First too (not for El Capitan) but for the true CDM that is Wanyama (i also think Wenger will do better than Wanyama, and find a true gem of a CDM if he even is looking for a TRUE CDM, imo he's looking for a box to box with defensive qualities)

PdotY

I would mix & match haha

Williams fellaini cesc higuian

-Homesick-

Rami-Bender-Cesc-Higuain

Holmesy

Cesc Cesar Williams and Rooney or Higuian

Plus Bender or Capoue

SY4

What we really need is players that can make a diff in the final third of the pitch, we most often dominate possession however besides Cazorla no seems to know how to break through the def. Wilshire at times moved forward with intent, pod at times too. Rooney/ Higuian, Robben move forward with with one aim score or create a scoring opp. These are the type of players Wegner should be looking at, most of our mids and forwards would rather seek out a pass rather than take a chance on goal. Walcott, Giroud and Gerv often find themselves in great attacking positions but fail to convert. Giroud takes too many touches and most often fist touch is bad and spills the ball, Walcott lacks the confidence but has improved, Gerv tries to find the perfect pass and hashes it. Find players that find themselves in great attacking positions and convert!

As a dm would look at Bender or Capoue

Williams is so overrated much better players out there.

Bergvic - Agger - Wanyama - Higuian

Ive not really seen Capoue play, a lot of players in France seem to be over hyped imo

a back 2 of agger and kos would be great

spanner

Mixed bag : Williams, Fellaini, Cesc, Higuain

Plus Jovetic (to play on the wing)

Id go for the 2nd one. and no mix and matching because everyone would pick - Williams fellaini cesc higuian

I agree with you there. Only Santi seems capable of taking people on in the final third

What I would like to see is someone making a proper decision for a change and Arsenal getting their finger out and going for it in this transfer window.

11 Jun 2013 22:19:10
Here's a stupid thought does anyone think we could convince a club to take Diaby out on loan? If he actually manages to get himself training with the first team we could try and loan to France or Spain a less hectic and demanding hell even the Norweigain league to actually get some games and a run together.

Holmesy

Loan him to the club we just took Sanogo from to get them to waive the fee ;)

Diaby won't be match fit until December at the earliest. So. are you talking about loaning him out in January? Even then he may not be ready, and who would take the risk?

11 Jun 2013 21:34:56
10/1 for Lewandoski to arsenal

I have a fiver on at 33/1 just had a feeling.
Andylat

I hope both of you make money!

11 Jun 2013 20:35:53
I believe that Arsenal need 5 players to compete for silverware. My 5 signing would be:

Cesar
Subotic
Fabregas
Schurrle
Higuain

Just thought I'd share my thoughts. I'm not saying that this would happen, but if it did then we would be lethal!

If we get these 5 players we win the league. However, there is absolutely no chance of us getting all of them

I would also buy 5 but mine would be:

Julio Cesar
Ashley Williams
Marouane Fellaini
Wayne Rooney
Gonzalo Higuain

Yeah I know that we won't get them lol. But just thought I'd share my list of players that would strengthen our squad and makes us a real force to be reckoned with. I do think we need at least 5 players though. Thanks for the response dude!

My five would be

Ter stegen
Sakho
Fellaini
Fabregas
Higuain

Never happen though :)

Cesar
Subotic
Gundogan (only because Fabregas definitley nor leaving Barca)
Higuain
Grenier

I think higuain and fellani would be enough for us to compete. and a backup RB.

i honestly think progression is the best way to create a team with character and dynamism.

i think aiming for the title is good, but in reality we need to win a cup and progress from there.

had we won against birmingham I have no doubt we would not be where we are today, with cesc, nasri, rvp gone.

this year we have to win atleast the micky mouse cup and top 4.

micky mouse cup on its own is no good. has to be both. and semi for FA cup

11 Jun 2013 19:22:52
My advice is for the fans to keep their expectations low. Logically if arsenal sold their stars for less than £25m then don't expect a signing much more than that value. Arsenal will not compete in the market. They will buy average players or good player at a bargain price.

Because we haven't signed anyone yet? It's not even been a month since the season ended. Only City have actually gone for anyone. Just be patient, you may be right, but don't say that we won't just because we haven't yet.

12 Jun 2013 14:06:59
It's not just the Premier League season that has just finished. Most other European leagues only s*** down 2-3 weeks ago. Most players are on holiday or hae just played International matches. Negotiations will take time to come thorugh. Navas to City was nearly a done deal at the end of January, hence why it was completed so early.

BE PATIENT!!

11 Jun 2013 18:48:39
Gazidis has basically said that there is the money available for Wenger to spend big, but he will only spend big on players that are worth their value. So I can't see him buying any marquee signings like we are all hoping. I think he's more likely to buy more lesser known players that are up and coming.

Excellent post US gooner.
amazing how so many PLASTIC arsenal fans have no patience when it comes to our players.
i wonder if in their own careers they are trail blazers.
they allow no mistakes and demand everything should always go to plan.
diaby when fit is our best midfielder he has the most technical ability and is a power house.

11 Jun 2013 18:39:57
So will all the buisness be done at 11pm on the transfer deadline day as usual or will we make early signings and allow players to settle down in our setup during the pre-season. Only time will tell, hope Wenger learns something and doesn't make the same mistakes just to save some money.

Also all our A list of targets are being wooed by the usual crowd, so it will have to be the B listers then? Wish Wenger had the talent to unearth someone who hits the ground running (TV5 did it to some extent). The good news is that atleast some of the deadload is offloaded (contract ran out).

Of course our A list targets are being wooed by others, not as if they're some mystery talent only we know about. Problem is Arsenal now has a reputation as pennypinchers who do not pay up for talent and conspicuosly fail to buy top talent. Compare that to teams bursting with strength and depth, showing ambition in transfers and you have to ask what we offer to lure top talent to come to us? The answer is not very much unfortunately, yes come to us and compete for the 4th place trophy?

True, first we are not the most attractive club to come to, on top of that we still try to nickle and dime the seller club resulting in what we are all are all too familiar with - missing out time and again.

11 Jun 2013 17:25:30
We won't start splashing 30-40 million on one player but I really think the big difference from this summer on is that we no longer depend on selling players to balance the books. Any players we buy will be to add value to the club and not to replace talent that has gone elsewhere.

I think Wenger will "wow" us this summer maybe not Rooney or Lewandowski but he knows that the spurs were a little too close for comfort last season and that he CANNOT let them place above us in the table. That would signal the end of him for sure.

Have faith and judge Wenger and the squad at the end of the transfer window (which hasn't even opened yet!)

Peace,
Trinidad-Gooner

Totally agree with you. Two 20mil signings and I'll be extatic. Still can not see it happening. Any Arsenal supporter expecting a 30-40mil signing have definitely been supporting a different arsenal to the one I know

11 Jun 2013 19:33:25
None of the players we are linked with are valued at 30m-40m. km

11 Jun 2013 16:06:44
"I hope to be running again in 1 month"

-Abou Diaby

This would be a disaster for the club in my opinion. We've all heard it before: 'Diaby's return is like a new signing', or something to that effect. And then just after the window closes, he gets injured.

Don't get me wrong, Diaby is a good player when fit, but we need a CDM and we need one this window.

He still won't be available till Xmas so if we don't sign a midfielder this window (personally I think we will) Diaby coming back won't be the reason.

11 Jun 2013 19:50:34
Thats great! Diaby hasn't run for 2 years so taht would be real progress!

11 Jun 2013 15:15:11
Malaga - Are you Wayne Veysey in disguise?

Haha and IndyKaila

Paul

More like Royston Vasey.

11 Jun 2013 13:30:23
Fabregas ha said he will not play for any other English club, so there is still hope. Either he is coming to us, or staying at barca, not going to Man U. This is only my opinion Thoughts please.

11 Jun 2013 11:56:35
Hey fellow gooners

Please don't believe what you read in the papers, in recent years we have been linked with many talented players but do not sign them. The reason for this is we have our cards very close to our chest and Arsenal rumours sell papers. everyone in world football knows if the magician wenger is interested in a player you can bet your bottom dollar he is a serious player and other teams wait to see who we are signing then snatch them from under our noses with 'silly money bids' ie chelski - Juan matter. Arsenal have been bitten too often now with silly money going to agents and players and that is the reason Arsene is shrude and tries to act in silence before revieling a signing.

Expect a couple of great signing when the transfer window opens but not necesarily Jovetovic or Gundogan.

Totally agree - if it's reported in the Daily Mail, it's probably not a player we are planning to sign.

Think off-the-radar players!

I was under the impression it was Wengers refusal to pay a reasonable transfer fee that scuppered Mata, other clubs were willing to pay up, can't blame anyone but our negotiating team for that. Really Mata was well known, not some secret only Wenger knew about, there was always going to be competition, we just lack the bollobks to seal the deal.

11 Jun 2013 11:53:29
Barcelona vice-president Joseph Bartomeu has supposedly said "Cesc will be allowed to leave if he wants to. " Cesc himself has said "I'm very happy, it's taken a lot to get where I am and I don't plan on throwing that away for anything. "
But with his girlfriend and daughter Lia living in London it must be a hard position for him to be in. It's important that nobody puts a guilt trip on Cesc.
I guess it just comes down to how good of a father he wants to be? Ooops ;-)

My father wasn't around a great deal. It hasn't done me any harm, and thankfully my therapist agrees with me. Anyway have to go. My medication is overdue.
No pressure Cesc!
COME ON YOU GOONERS
Flybo

Ha nice post.

Ha ha, awesome! let's keep our fingers crossed there is a small chance this could happen.

Why have you put something in quotation marks if its only anecdotal? He either said it or he didnt, and the quotes can be sourced, or they cant.

11 Jun 2013 19:47:41
Daniel
They can be sourced, that's why their in speech marks.
Flybo

11 Jun 2013 10:21:56
If we talk about getting a replacement for Aaron Ramsey, people say no, he needs time. when we talk about replacing Sagna, people say no he has been a great servant. If we talk about replacing Gervinho, people say no he is a great squad player blah blah blah

don't blame Arsene Wenger if he doesn't buy anyone, because the fans do not want anyone to be replaced.

I don't care if Ramsey broke his foot, its about what he can offer the team now. Gervinho is a headless chicken, out with him.

As long as there is a better player available on the market for a reasonable price, I would replace anyone in the team. The most important thing is winning. Right now we are barely making it into fourth. If you think most of our first eleven are "very good", then you are very short sighted and delusional. It is because of these players that we have been coming in fourth. the only good win, and by good win I mean against a world class standard that we had was against Bayern Munich. Wake up people! A major shake up is required

FFS Rue1025 Ramsey is quality and will be a great player for us if people like you can can support the player instead of acting like total c****. Why would any talent come to us with people like you as "fans". Bayern have a lot of great players but first and foremost they are a team! A team of outside quality and homegrown togetherness. Ramsey are a part of that homegrown core. You remember Ray Parlour? Were you slagging him of too? Or are you to young to remember?

And when a player decides to leave, you call him "judas". Let's spare a thought to some of these players, they also deserve our loyalty.

MOFAYA

I enjoyed the Spurs win as well.

11 Jun 2013 09:16:34
Question EDs- Is the relatively slow start to the transfer window down to a mixture of footballers holidaying and the expiry or running down of contracts at the end of this month, or something else? Thanks,

Willesden Gooner {Ed007's Note - Yes.}

I was under the impression that most people on this site knew a bit about football! Obviously not! The transfer window doesn't open till July 1st

Thats only to register fellow noname, so maybe pot calling kettle

11 Jun 2013 09:38:41
Just an observation really regarding Ivan and the Q&A. Now I know he has said there is money to spend. And obviously everyone is now ribbing AW about not spending and blah blah blah. But. I also read that Ivan said that wenger has been fantastic keeping us in the mix with the limited budget he has had. Now is that the first time the board have actually admitted that fact. Anyway. Just want to doff my hat to my main man mr W. I think he will spend. And has always wanted to spend.
Great work eds

Yes, I quite agree, I think AW has had a limited budget, because he used to like spending the cash when we were at Highbury.

I am currentley working at the tv studios & we spoke with the Spainish sports presenter last week & he told us that Fabregas is not leaving Spain.

11 Jun 2013 09:33:34
As I am getting out of my teenage years I am not really that little so I have changed name from Little Gooner to Young Gun

Welcome to the big league Young Gun!

Enjoy your youth. Time flies, and the next thing you know you'll be changing your name to "disillusioned old fart gooner":-)
Flybo

11 Jun 2013 17:08:47
Changed my sign off too, but that's just so if Arsene doesn't buy some quality by the end of the window I can say.

"What's the most you lost on a coin toss"

11 Jun 2013 06:52:08
Loads of talk about strikers, midfielders but what I would like to hear is talk about decent right and left backs. Sagna come on everyone! He does not really want to be at Arsenal and let's face it! All we are left with is Jenkinson and then what if he is injured. Left back we have in my opinion a decent enough player in Gibbs but Santos is a joke and once again Morales, well let's face it we really haven't seen much of him.

You know we signed a LB 6 months ago right?

Give Monreal a chance, he's only had half a season. Judge what he does this season. We've had many people flop in the first season and come good the next. Aka prob the best defender of the prem this year, Kos the boss, even the BFG Mert wasnt great in his first season.

Who on earth is Morales? Monreal on the other hand, is a Spanish international who, after a period of transition, will positively shine in the left back position next season. Who do you support, because I would expect any self respecting gooner to know the names of the Arsenal squad, and even if you weren't sure, but had half a brain, use the Google search engine!

Willesden Gooner

Left back is the one position we definitely don't need anyone, Gibbs and Monreal is probably the strongest combination of left backs in the league.

What about Monreal?

What are you talking about? Gibbs has always looked good and has improved lots over the last year and we just signed spains 2nd choice LB Nacho Monreal not 6 months ago for a reasonably hefty price (in Arsenal terms) so we don't need anymore LB's. Santos is pretty much gone and I have NOO idea who this morales fella is. We may need cover at RB if Sagna leaves but think we will just promote the youth

He's called monreal and he is a very solid left back and him and gibbs will mean we don't need investment. we will only buy a right back if sagna leaves.

batch

11 Jun 2013 10:11:38
Apart from last season Segna has been a very consistent player. He still has his pace and is a very commuted player. The problem is Wenger doesn't want to give him a two year extention. I would. Gibbs has improved a lot since he gas competition. Wouldn't be adverse to seeing him pushed forward to left wing/mid because we have very few in that position. km

Monrael did well defensively when he came in, but wasn't too good attacking.

In my opinion if gibbs was fully fit with those 2 we would be fine at lb, but we can't only rely on monreal.

Jenkinson + bellerin and gibbs + monreal :) nuff said if its that dire we can buy a right back in jan but what's the point of a youth set up if were not going to push them through when there is a chance! and before anyone says the right hand side is weak and inexperienced Manchester United just won the league with evra and rafael with butner and an out of position valencia or jones to cover so get behind them and you never know how well they could do.

Yeah ok I meant Monreal you all knew that!

11 Jun 2013 13:54:35
Monreal has won man of the match in something like two of his last three internationals for the WORLD CUP WINNERS. But fair enough, we do need another to replace him.

11 Jun 2013 06:28:17
Here we go again! Sounds like the same old Wenger every season it's the same thing. Decent players look like they are available and evidently he does not want to pay the asking price and we lose out over what is really small change in difference when we are talking football transfer fees. Now I know this is all hear say at the moment but haven't we all been through this time and time again over the last few years? Linked with all these decent players and we end up with nothing! How we ever got Cazorla is a miracle to me.

The fans, I think even the 'wenger can do wrong fans', will not put up another summer as you suggest.

other clubs are progressing and continuing to add (genuine) quality players every season- we will be out of the top 4 soon, let alone challenging for silverware (which should be our real aim), without bringing the best players we can to our club.

Alas, that means in todays market spending good money.

tbh I am cautious that this will happen.

LG

How we got Cazorla is because of our policy of signing top players when they are available for the right price.

Eddie, do know what the date is? AW has 98 days more to make transfers.

Hope your right Poly. It's getting more than frustrating now.