Arsenal Banter Archive May 11 2017

 

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11 May 2017 21:46:36
Like everyone says, this season has been pants. But as a matter of interest (and I know we still have to achieve it yet) , would you be happy having the season of spuds, having a go but ultimately winning nothing, Liverpool close to one final, possible champions lge spot but winning nothing and Man. City semi-final but winning nothing or as bad as we have been sneaking into champions lge winning FACup.?

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11 May 2017 22:54:28
If we sneak into the champs league and win the FA cup then no one can deny that we have had a better season than all three! That would be a fact not an opinion and it's also what the record books would tell you. It would not however prove that we are a better team than spurs this year but time will forget them and remember us. i'm going to put a tenner on us doing that with alexis been top scorer in the prem. 3 very long shots but a nice punt non the less.

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11 May 2017 23:40:24
Yes the record books will show who got the prizes if we win the cup and make 4th place but will it tell the whole story? And will it reflect which fans got the most pleasure from the season?

I'd say in terms of enjoyment Chelsea Spurs Liverpool even Leicester fans given thier champions league exploits have had a good un but have we enjoyed this season?

Football is an entertainment businesses and few Arsenal fans will be shouting encore at the end of this season regardless of how it ends.
It's been awful.

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12 May 2017 01:28:03
Winning the fa cup would great as well as finishing fourth but are we becoming an fa cup team with no improvement in the league or champs league. The league is a guide to how good you are and tells you if you are capable of a challenge for the title and this season and in the previous three, spuds and liverpool have put a challenge in for the whole season, we ending ours in February. that's just poor.

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12 May 2017 07:07:51
Either a top four spot or an FA Cup win, will do in a difficult season. Both would be excellent and would dwarf the toot finishing in 2 nd place, but failing miserably in the cups.

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12 May 2017 08:24:13
Definitely FA Cup and CL qualification.

But, Totally agree with Steve.
How many times have Barcelona and Real Madrid won Copa Del Rey?

Nobody probably knows or even remember's, but we all know when they win La Liga or CL.

That's how you measure a teams quality.

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12 May 2017 09:27:56
I'm far from satisfied I'm actually dissatisfied but will take that all day long.

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12 May 2017 10:12:30
As you say record books don't tell the whole story, One Direction have had more number 1 hits than the Beatles in the record books, but you can't compare the two!

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12 May 2017 11:56:57
Actually the Beatles have 17 to one directions 14.

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12 May 2017 16:06:43
Bod making a fool of himself once again

Not surprised.

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12 May 2017 17:21:02
So which Beatles song would be Arsene signature tune?
Love love me do or No where man? :-)

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12 May 2017 18:04:25
Spurs finishing 2nd has really got to you hasn't it R. G.

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13 May 2017 09:48:50
Him and every other gooner mate.

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11 May 2017 20:35:52
Good win last night, now if we can win away at Stoke (No easy task, let's hope their mind is on the beach) on Saturday we can at least apply some pressure on Liverpool who are away to West Ham on Sunday. Top 4 is back on then.

Yes overall is not great fighting for the scraps of the top 4 yet again but we need to finish on a high and get the best we can out of this season which will also give us a good confidence boost into the cup final. Champions league is vital if we are have any chance of attracting any half decent players. Lacazette and Lemar are doing the rounds and that is most likely the best sort of level of player we can obtain realistically.

I think if by some stroke of luck we get top 4 and beat Chelsea in the Cup Final that would be ideal time for Wenger to finally leave on a bit of a high. Then we can start a fresh Arsenal dynasty under a younger manager with a bit more fire and give us all hope (Although it's the hope that kills you they say) . I would love new people at the top aswell but I think they are making too much money to sell up.

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11 May 2017 20:46:15
Agree ryan, I think that is what we all want, its arsenal fc we suppory and want the best.

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11 May 2017 23:10:44
Top 4 and the cup no chance he's off. First thing he would do is hand ivan his p45.

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11 May 2017 10:02:59
Good win for us yesterday. It amazes me how we're all jumping on here moaning and complaining when we lose. But not a peep when we won last night. What is wrong with us haha.

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11 May 2017 10:34:21
It was a good win 16 mate St Mary's is never easy to go to and win.
I think the problem is if we did sneak top 4 people will naturally ask why we can always rally and come up with the minimum requirements to maintain things just as they are.
If the manager and players can do it when they really need to for their own sake why can't they show the same effort all season for the sake of the fans and club, each and every season they produce just enough to save thier jobs, coincidence?
They do seem to have got themselves into a situation where by every time they​ do actually turn up in a game it asks more questions than it answers.
It's difficult to see how the cost club can continue much longer with or without Arsene in charge, now that the blinkers have finally slipped off the vast majority of fans it's difficult to see how they are ever going to go back on again.
Change is impossible to prevent now and the only question for Arsene and his merry men is whether they are part of that change or fall by the wayside as change leaves them behind.

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11 May 2017 11:04:44
Maybe the players have smelt the coffee and realised the fact without champions league they will not be making any headlines or be in the public eye. their egos will be deflated
Its a shame that if they had shown the same motivation they have in the last few weeks for all of the season then we may have been challenging for more honours.
This comes down to player mentality and of course management technique. The board and wenger have realised without champions league the money and attraction will not be there.
It puzzles me why wenger doesn't let the fans know if he is staying or going. either way just tell us for gods sake he is paid 8 million a year. the club was here before he came and will remain after he goes. i think he believes his own importance too much. the weak board and arrogant wenger has shown disrespect to loyal fans who want to know where the club is heading. it affects players, fans even potential players coming in. the fa cup and recent good form is just papering over the cracks of a far bigger issue.

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11 May 2017 11:33:18
I still think its not cut and dry. There agreement hasn't been reached and with them wanting a director of football and he doesnt. If he's waiting to try get 4th I think his way is accepted. If not he either accepts the change or goes with my gut feeling saying he walks. I don't think no top4 and a change is bad thing if not I see a repeat season.

Win the cup and say farewell perfect end I feel.

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11 May 2017 11:50:48
Excellent responses guys. Seems the players have smelt the coffee. I personally think we should be getting behind them more. Let's be honest if we lost last night how many people would be posting on here slating them? But we won and there was no posts. Amazing. Nothing will change the fact we need change but a bit of positivity is needed.

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11 May 2017 13:50:46
True that, I asked the same thing not long ago hahhaha,
It seems like we aren't used to winning and write our happy thoughts no more lol.
Good win nonetheless.

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11 May 2017 16:19:25
I'm guessing no one was really celebrating yesterday's win, much like the one against United, yes we put to bed the worst unbeaten run ever, 25 games was it to move from 6th to 6th, beat the most expensively assembled pile of pants in the Premiership and yes we won away at Southampton and ultimately it would be daft of anyone not to want a top 4 finish and even an FA Cup win but it's all a bit like the last drunken person at the Xmas do with the hat on sat in the corner vainly trying to get a note out of the party blower.

So in essence none of it really means a lot, it's another flat end to another disappointing season, pretty much like the previous 13 or 14 to be fair.

That isn't exciting mate, it's about a million miles from exciting and I really don't want to dig out Wenger but I think the vast majority of fans are almost stuck in a state of limbo.

No one knows, bar himself, what Wenger is going to do and no one really knows if they have the stomach for a few mores years of this. There is a state of apathy almost.

I want to go into next season with reasons to be cheerful not ready for another huge dollop of this.

We, like everyone else is not entitled or guaranteed to have success, I'd put money on it that not one United fan expected to go this long and probably longer still without a premier league title. You could say the same of Liverpool.

But like us, having won titles, they would expect to challenge for more, but under our current management, no matter how much we want it to happen, we don't remotely look like doing that.

I stayed positive and genuinely believed he could do it up until last season and now I'm just not kidding myself anymore that he can and it really concerns me that he is actually doing us more harm than good now.

I really really hope that's not the case but that's the way it feels.

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11 May 2017 17:10:07
The reason is our season in reality as it stands is over and we are all flat. Things can change but as it stands there is nothing we can do but win all our games, that not exciting but an essential. It will be more exciting if we do actually have that luck we need and do it. Plus its the whole situation at the club, its dead and a massive injection is needed.

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11 May 2017 18:03:23
But after saying that a very good win at a grave yard for us.

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10 May 2017 23:53:30
Wage inflation is ridiculous in football - from Keown: "In 2002 when Arsenal won the title, the average weekly wage was £10,000 with bonus paid for winning the title and depended on how many matches you played."

Interesting that back then when we were ambitious - we rewarded success with a title win bonus

Now we have a top 4 bonus

How times, requirements and mentality has changed

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11 May 2017 06:28:43
In the 15 years since you speak of, the full effects of the Bosman ruling in 1995 have come through. In respect of our own club, we have moved from an antiquated 38,000 capacity stadium into a state of the art money making 60,000 capacity stadium. The TV revenue as Sky and BT have grown has increased considerably. Ticket prices have risen drastically without having any negative effect on attendances. Sposership revenues have grown beyond all recognition and in order to attaract the top sponsors, a club have to have top players. As an example, is Rooney worth £15m a year? Proabably not in footballing terms, but having him at the club encouraged the top sponsors to tie up huge deals with United. It would be interesting to compare our revenue and profit in 2002 to today. With the Chinese paying huge salaries I can only see wages rising even further and the day of the million pound a week footballer can't be far away. Good time to be a player!

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11 May 2017 06:37:23
2002 turnover £90m, loss £23m: 2016 turnover £350m, profit £2.9m.
So the turnover has almost quadrupled and we have gone into profit, opposed to large losses back in 2002. It would be interesting to compare the per centage of turnover paid in players wages in 2002 and 2016, to see whether it has risen.

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11 May 2017 08:43:14
If we were to make top 4 the season will be seen as a successful one by enough people to carry on as always regardless of the FA cup final result.
Arsene and the players will feel fully vindicated over the season and there will be much talk of positives and very little mention of how poor we have been, we will try to make a marquee singing in order to replace Sanchez and possibly a couple more editions to give people something to hang thier coat on as a reason why next season will be different to all the others.
But if all this happens the most likely event will be a champions league last 16 exit and top 4 battle again next season simply because as you say SY the mentality within the club just isn't thier for change that includes doing anything that makes any real difference.
Arsene has stated while he's manager we will do what he sees as right and interference and input from others is neither wanted or needed.
In the unlikely event that the rest of football is going to change to suit us, I just can't see how things can possibly be any different next season to the last dozen or so if we just carry on as always.

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11 May 2017 11:35:10
The thing with getting 4th is we normally wait til after the play off to buy big so that also sets us back. Instead of spending before to give us a better chance in the play offs.

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