Arsenal Banter Archive August 12 2013

12 Aug 2013 23:07:23
Arsenal in the transfer window is like watching deal or no deal. Just hope we don't end up in 1p club again.

12 Aug 2013 22:57:11
Eds. If Suarez is worth over £45 mill, Bale is supposed to be worth £85mill plus, how much would you or anyone else say Robin Van Persie is now worth? people I speak to think that RVP would be worth around the same as Bale if not more. AND! before anyone jumps down my throat and says that Bale is not worth that as the figures are over inflated WE all know that but that is the price that's flying around and Real may well pay it if not more. I'm still astounded that we virtually gave RVP away . UNBELIEVABLE! {Ed027's Note - are we all forgetting RVP was in his last year and 29, on top of that he only had one Injury free season, if that is not enough he only wanted Utd he turned down Juve and city.

Great reply ED

The price RVP would fetch now would only be higher due to his contact length at United, and even then, at 30, he's on the wrong side of his career.

If he was say 25 and playing like he has for the past two seasons, I would agree with you about the Bale money. At this point though, he would probably be valued at 40 Mil if he were for sale today, and that is extremely high for a 30 year old with an injury history

RVP was 29 when we sold him, he is 30 now. he will have no re-sale value.

His wages are over 200k on top of that too.

with RVP and rooney Manchester United pay 25 million in wages alone.

If RVP was on the market he would probably go for less, due to his wages.

He scores goals, but he misses many too. he is no messi or ronaldo to just bury them with a sniff of a chance. rather it was he who fumbled a sitter to put madrid out in spain, and another back in OT, while madrid tore them a new one.

Great players rise to the occasion, and he never did it for us, and neither will he do so for them.

he is world class in talent. but just not the big boy he thinks he is.

Falcao, Aguero, Cavani, Suarez over him for me.

13 Aug 2013 12:04:52
yeah aware of that Ed027 but even so what would you say he was worth taking all that into consideration

{Ed022's Note - Ed027 is around at the moment so I am going to value RVP at £50 and a packet of ice gems...}

12 Aug 2013 22:16:31
I still have rhae same feeling as the start of the window, that we will prob end up with Rooney it's just my opinion but I think being cheaper, having less bad mouth about him, having an advantage since we sold them rvp and plus rooney wanting a challenge it just makes sense IMO, I would rather saurez or even lewondawski but it's wishfull thinking. : Gk: begovic. Cb: Williams, sakho. Cdm: gustavo. Lw: nani. St: Rooney, saurez, lewondawski, michu. Would be my ideal transfers?

Agree I've also had the same feeling. Still think Rooney would be Wenger's first choice over Suarez.

Just don't understand Arsenal's logic in announcing how much money we've got to spend before the transfer market opened, surely any transfer prices would increase if you tell em how much you've got to spend.

I would be happy but happier if we could improve on Nani as a signing

First team players need signing ASAP

Squad can be signed between now and end of window with some spots more urgent than others

Most important thing is to add quality so happy to wait as its a long season and all the games are not played in the first 2 weeks of August

At the same time - I want them as soon as possible for CL qualifier and a good start to season

My ideal late summer would be -

GK - Ter Stegen
CB - Sakho
CDM - Gustavo
ST - Suarez

Get busy Wenger & Co!

I think I'd prefer Rooney to Suarez honestly. Wouldn't complain with either or both -:) Wenger has an excellent track record of dealing with problem behaviours on and off the pitch if the players are motivated to be their best on the pitch, and both these guys want to play football more than anything else (nothing seemed to help Bendtner or Chamack, there is only so much one person can do). Gustavo would be an excellent addition, very exciting if we can get him.

Look all jokes and bs aside.

the club has to have a plan .

i can't see suerez as the target, I just cant.

he is not the player we have at arsenal.
you can't tell me this is the arsenal way.

canavani did not go to psg for football he went for money.

why did we not go for his buy out clause, we have the money and can afford the wages, so we are told.

there is no other world class forward out there for sale.

it has to be rooney, I think he is affordable with wages.

i think there will be a bidding war.

1 of the 1st players wenger lost to an english club was ashley cole to mourinho.

would wenger love to get 1 over on him, that hurt wenger.

could it be pay back, were not short of challenging.add some 1 like gustarvo and top class 4th cb like sakho and if we can pinch ceasar.

we have a team then that will challenge.

dont know why ceasar has not signed for any 1 yet.hes not big money.he could be a big figure for the club with the world cup coming up.he could be huge for arsenal with sponsorship.

this is a logical plan and in budget even with wages, we must have cleared over 400k in wages a week.

just my take, i'm a bit stoned

Just to add does any 1 know what utd would want for rooney.

i can really see surez going to munich.

i can also see lewandowski going to munich this window.i can not see dortmund letting him go for nothing.you have to remember football is a business and dortmund will come to an agreement for him with munich.german clubs don't act like that to each other.the same thing happened with rvp, he wanted to go and utd wanted him any we got 24 mill, we came to agreement and we can do the same back to them.this is how football works.john w henry would to sell to chelsea but would not sell to a direct opponent for that 4th spot.it would show how much liverpool had fallen behind.

as I said just my thoughts

I think Utd would gladly sell him to us for 30 odd million.

however, he does not want to join Arsenal, but rather join chelsea, and his best friend in the whole wide world. Arsenal legend, and a person loved by everyone A$hley Col£.

now i'm not sure if mourinho is playing mind games. Does he want Rooney? is he trying to unsettle united? Just trying to cause havoc in the transfer market?

Wenger's piorities right now should be Sakho and Luis Gustavo.

Add some grit. and both the players want to join Arsenal.

Once we have done that we have to go all out for the striker.

however going by our awesome transfer window. we will leave it till the last week, start panic buying or end up with nothing, as the market has massively inflated.

12 Aug 2013 22:02:37
I can't be the only one worried about our summer and the forthcoming season. We have signed Yaya Sanogo, and the Premiership kicks off in 5 days. I'm not too worried about some of our outgoing transfers like Aneke (gain experience), Bendtner (not needed), Djourou (not needed) etc etc etc. However, these types of sales have become a problem to me, as we have let go so many 'fringe' players that we now have a very thin squad. We're supposed to be competing on four trophy fronts this season, however I can see this season being one of worst of recent memory if we do not invest in at least 5 players, especially as clubs around us have been strengthening and spending money. We should have signed Julio Cesar by now. We should sign Luis Gustavo seeing as we've become so interested in him. I also believe we need another centre back, and some more options up front. Thoughts on who people would like to see at Arsenal and what you think our business will be over the coming weeks would be interesting!

12 Aug 2013 19:48:22
Napoli may look to outbid us for Gustavo. Surely Wenger won't let this happen again.

12 Aug 2013 20:15:46
This always happens, agents, press whoever just adding 5h1te to the pot.

There is no gaurantee anyone is coming, just wait until they've signed on the dotted line and its on the Arsenal website.

12 Aug 2013 18:15:36
Here we go again no new additions and we are less then a week away I don't know why I keep falling for the lines. I am still hopeful of some signings but it is looking less and less likely.

DarrenTampa

12 Aug 2013 17:46:32
just been watching Ibrahimovic vids on youtube - the guys absolute class.

we could do with him; or the 'next Ibrahimovic' if Wenger can find such a beast.

any news on players Wenger might be looking at to strengthen the squad Eds?

thanks

That Bakkali seems like a decent young winger too. Hope we snap him up. Could do with a decent dribbler/wide player.

We seem to be offloading a lot of players this summer. Could Wenger be lining up changes to the wage structure by offering individuals higher wages but keeping the same/similar cap by promoting youth players also.
I don't think general purchase money is a problem (although Wenger won't overspend on a players value) it's the wages which we struggle to meet.

Could Rooney/ibrahimovic/Suarez really be on their way? I definitely think we'll be reinforcing with some powerful additions before the end of the window.

12 Aug 2013 17:12:58
TV reporting that Gustavo has said in an interview he would be "interested" in joining Arsenal.

12 Aug 2013 15:57:53
Arsenal have placed a £17.2 Million bid for Luiz Gustavo.

[tv]

12 Aug 2013 15:23:21
If L'pool stick to their guns and refuse to sell Suarez to another premier team it will probably be the right decision. Players like Suarez and RVP are the difference and should never be sold to a rival if the club has any sense of ambition - however unrealistic that ambition might be.

I agree Jay - especially when you read the comments from Suarez when he signed his new long term contract last season:

"To sign a new contract with Liverpool is unbelievable for me because I am so happy here at both the club and also in the city.

That is important for me and I am very happy with my new contract.

When you are a kid, everybody wants to play for Liverpool. I am here now and it is a dream for me, and now I am a Liverpool fan.

I am happy off the pitch because the people of Liverpool are good with me and my family. I try my best on the pitch and when you are happy off the pitch, you are happy on the pitch.

I want to say thank-you to the fans because they are our 12th player. The supporters of Liverpool are unbelievable.

Five or six years ago I watched on TV the stadium and the club, and now I play here and the supporters have helped me. That's very important for me."

So what has gone wrong? Not a fan anymore Luis? Why sign a new deal just a year ago if you had no intention to stay? None of this makes any sense at all. IMO I don't blame Liverpool as Suarez cannot be trusted but I think they are making a big mistake - it worries me greatly as a Gooner that we are bidding such large amounts for this decieving horrible man - don't let the goals the player can give cloud the real mark of this man - trust me Liverpool forcing him to stay will do us a big favour but them keeping him will damage their club further - if I was them, I would of 'bitten' Arsenal's hand off when they offered £40m + £1 (sorry for the pun) :)

Not sure that will turn out to be good business at the end of the day. If Suarez believes he had that agreement it cannot end well for Liverpool. The mood in the club will take a dive and just cannot see Suarez doing a uturn. Arsenal will not keeping up the offer and could well be the only takers. Liverpool may have to continue to pay him to sit on his backside. Liverpool are trying to take the high moral ground but personally think they are on very slippy ground. They should negotiate as best as they can on price, move him on and recruit in before the window shuts. If anyone knows how difficult the situation is it is our club.

One difference is that RVP only had 1 year left on his contract which gave him a big advantage over his preferred destination.

Players have the power now, look at bendtner.

he could actually terminate his contract but he would rather get paid. Where as for Arsenal we can't terminate his contract, unless it has got to do with some very serious crime.

Suarez will choose his destination. If they want to sell him to Monaco, he could decline, or refuse to play for them and the deal just falls.

Look at Di maria and Coentrao. They will barely play this year, they have been offered in the Bale deal, yet they don't want to move and the club is powerless.

The only good thing out in spain is that every player has a buyout clause, even if some clauses are unreasonable.

This should be a requisite in EPL, so that players if moved, the team gets premium price, rather than haggling.

Arsenal want Luis Suarez, buyout of 50 million and that makes it a bit more bearable.

but with the bale deal hitting insane money, it goes to show logic no longer exists.

12 Aug 2013 14:11:33
Looks like RM after Suarez now!
They are hell bent on doing us over!

Sorry source is tv

Hmmm, would that mean they have lost interest in Bale.

Not ideal.

Madrid are trying to bluff the spurs now.

If Bale does not join them this year, he will not join them next year.

They will get another player and next year they will re-evaluate. If bale fits the profile then, he could fit their transfer scheme again.

However, the fact that the player, has said nothing, especially in regards to his desire to stay with spurs, or the fact that the Manager has not spoken about him, or Madrid saying anything about him either.

For me Bale will move, and I think players will be involved in this deal.

Im calling it. not ITK but ill say it.

Coentrao+ £60 million for bale.

12 Aug 2013 13:22:00
Suarez: "You''ll never walk alone" my arse!

12 Aug 2013 12:03:11
Hi Ed

Just wanted to know what is up with NB? is he really serious about playing football or just fooling around. Cmon, I think his he has some serious issues. c'mon get the hell out of here take a cut and play. if he plays well his wage will increase. also he has not played for what (don't remember) matches and still getting his monstrous wage, so much money without doing any work. (that is why he is still with AFC, why take a cut if he can earn without playing). He is being silly. I think he is afraid he won't be able to increase his pay if he chooses to take a cut abd play for another club, because he is so damned good. (yucks!). I think he should join the HOOTERS! CLUB. PLAY WITH HIS PADDY POWER! NB just go. and let someone else carry the pain. or atleast give me some pounds to watch your mommy hump my back. you jhakas freak. go go go go away. {Ed027's Note - he dosent want to take a cut to leave, he is a pain, clubs are interested in him but not his wages, he has a year left, Arsenal don't want to pay a chunk of his wages whilst hes out on loan, they'll rather let him rot in reserves, and its a WC year, so its NB's decision, take a cut and play elsewhere, or stay and rot

Bruv, he knows he is not and will never be good enough to earn that much money again. He will stay until that last whistle, bruv, if I was the "world's greatest striker" l would do the same.