Arsenal Banter Archive June 12 2018

 

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12 Jun 2018 22:35:21
Got a feeling all our deals will be announced on the 1st of July.

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12 Jun 2018 22:57:04
What time? :-)

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12 Jun 2018 23:21:53
1 deal is held up to push the sale into next year’s accounts. This makes sense but why would the others be delayed or timed said Way?

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13 Jun 2018 10:01:38
To save money on camera crew so doing all the signings in one day knowing us lol.

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12 Jun 2018 18:57:53
Hello everyone, very pleased so far with signings and a good chance of a couple more (Torreria and Soyancu)
With Leno looking like going to Napoli, how do we stand on the goalkeeping front, do you think Unal is going to spring a surprise or keep with what we got for time being. Lastly what's our expectations for next season. Me personally I am really looking forward to next season and am hoping Unai gets the time to turn this around but I am not expecting to much, improvement obviously but not setting the bar to high to early. What are you expecting next season fellow Gooners.

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{Ed002's Note - Leno to Napoli?}

12 Jun 2018 19:11:50
Hello Ed002 I read somewhere that it was a done deal is that not the case then.

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12 Jun 2018 19:29:27
Hi Highbury mate, 75 points plus isn't what I think we will get mate and if that's top 4 champions league qualification then whoppie and if not it's a huge improvement on last season.
80+ points and title challenging territory within 3 seasons.
I'm happy to be reminded of my 75 points plus prediction next May especially by Raver and Nes :-)

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12 Jun 2018 19:59:27
Sorry that should read 75 points is what I think we will get :-)
Silly old sausage:-)

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12 Jun 2018 16:21:29
Hi ed01 if your around? . Regarding a post further down and putting to one side the Torreira rumours, in regards to instalments that both you and ed02 I believe have said it’s common place in football transfers even amongst the richest clubs! Now the question is that historically I believed arsenal were usually cash buyers in comparison to most (please correct me if that’s rubish) . If that is the case are we starting to see a change in thinking as regards to transfers and robbing peter to pay Paul if you know what I mean?

Cheers SLB.

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{Ed001's Note - no, it is normal to pay via instalments, no club ever has the cash to hand to just go buy players. Sometimes to push deals through bigger initial payments are made, even more rare the deal will be fully paid up front, but the standard is to pay in bits. If I recall correctly, FFP regs require all payments (other than add ons) to be paid within 3 years. Clubs usually use short term loans to make the initial payment via specialist finance companies. A lady I knew well used to give me great info through working for one of those companies. She explained it to me once, it is extremely complicated, as clubs don't sit on cash very often to just pass over, they are usually borrowing against future earnings for transfer payments.}

12 Jun 2018 19:13:01
Personally I'd like to see all deals paid in full at point of sale, fees would tumble by 80% but would it matter to anyone if they did?
It's a bit like house prices to me, if your home increases in value by 50% so does the one you want to buy so what's the point.
Full payment in cash from clubs own generated revenue would stop clubs living beyond their means and getting in trouble financially and the only losers would be the money men and agents who live off football rather than contribute anything towards it.

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12 Jun 2018 23:24:42
Sanogo - I thought I heard the same thing that we negotiated better deals by paying either up front or over a shorter period than others.

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13 Jun 2018 06:43:44
Could it be that our spending this summer and plans to spend again in January will have FFP implications and thus we need to spread the payments?

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12 Jun 2018 14:35:24
"Ainsley Mailtland-Niles has signed a new long term contract"

"Sky sources understand Arsenal one of a number of Premier League clubs interested in Freiburg defender Caglar Soyuncu.
Soyuncu's agent Mustafa Dogru said: "Sven Mislintat has been keen on Calgar since he was at Borussia Dortmund. There are concrete talks - all that remains is for a fee to be agreed. "

More good news! :)

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12 Jun 2018 15:41:02
All new signings are good news Glen mate and the more defensive in nature the better for me.
I am convinced we will go into next season with all bases manned adequately for the first time in a lora lora years.

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12 Jun 2018 15:41:51
Maitland-Niles given the number 15 too, possible sign that Emery sees him playing a decent role next season. I hope this is the case 🤞🤞.

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12 Jun 2018 16:05:28
Yeah it's really good to see! Soyuncu and Torreira would be a big plus for Arsenal. Personally I hope Soyuncu (if it happens) doesn't mean it's one or the other between him or Sokratis. Both would be excellent. A winger would round off the window nicely also!

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12 Jun 2018 19:02:25
We look to be buying in the right areas now and that is both new for us and extremely exciting too.
No new strikers we don't need in the frame just players who fit the gaps that everyone but Arsene could see.
So far Dick and Sven seem to have thier fingers bang on. the pulse.

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12 Jun 2018 19:19:13
Gunner, i can still see some tweeking in attack when the other end is sorted. The obvious faults are being dealt with first, that's how it should be.

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12 Jun 2018 19:48:26
Possibly Steve mate, I'm sure we will look to improve year on year in all positions once we are up to speed all round.
We've had a motor that simply wasn't fit for purpose and was incapable of finishing yet alone winning a race, first things first, make the car capable of going past the local shops without breaking down and then think about adding the wide wheels and go faster stripes :-)

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12 Jun 2018 20:37:15
I think we had an old Citroen CV which was only capable of going to the local shops and didn't like to be driven in the cold weather.

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12 Jun 2018 20:57:15
The citoren cv certainly had an inferiority complex when it came up against a Jag BMW or Mercedes-Benz, in fact in the end it wasn't feeling great about having to face a skoda or Lada, especially once off its own driveway :-)

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12 Jun 2018 21:07:43
It certainly made everyone travel sick and us just sick.

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12 Jun 2018 14:20:11
Welcome Home Freddie! You know why we still love you.

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12 Jun 2018 11:50:47
Hey edd .....

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12 Jun 2018 16:36:50
That was not my question.

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{Ed002's Note - The question was nothing to do with Arsenal.}

12 Jun 2018 09:34:16
Why are the press making such a big deal out of us wanting to pay for Torreira in installments? Even if true isn't that quite normal with transfers?

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12 Jun 2018 09:45:35
To the best of my knowledge it is very normal tp pay by installments but I know sometimes selling clubs insist on full payment at the point of sale, I think Suarez and Neymar were both paid in full which is a good sign as it usually means the selling club are reluctantly losing the player and would be happy for the deal to fall through so they could keep him.
It's got to be a better sign tha a club being happy to accept a £1 a week just to get rid of a player:-)

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Review Of The Day 12th June 2018

12 Jun 2018 06:34:19
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 12th June 2018

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12 Jun 2018 01:30:24
I know youtube is very deceptive when it comes to players and their true ability but I really like what I’ve seen from Lucas Torreira, Seems very Verratti-esc. I think paired with a big tall CM he could do wonders in our midfield.

Has anyone followed his career/ season in any detail? Or have any educated information on his potential should Arsenal but him this summer.

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12 Jun 2018 08:04:14
He certainly has potential considering he was was brought for £1.35m in 2016 and is now being linked with bigger clubs. You're right that YouTube can be very deceptive but I wouldn't be too worried about this lads defensive attributes. He is fast and very strong from what I've read and can actually tackle/ intercept which is something our squad has been lacking for a long time. He would be a good signing imo.

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12 Jun 2018 09:06:16
He sounds very promising and just what we need, I've never seen him but from what I've read he is strong in a tackle is good going forward but equally tenacious in defence.
Just what we need and another like him would be ideal to sort out our soft middle. The defence looks to be getting a revamp and although the defenders coming in may not be world beaters but niether were the Leicester defenders of 15/ 16 either.
Good organised displined back 4 and solid hard working cmf 2 would transform us instantly.
I think Dick and Sven will deliver what we need this summer to get us back in fighting shape again.

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12 Jun 2018 18:36:42
Dempo, i am with you on that, i don't see anyone in this club who fits the tall midfielder but him and Nzonzi or similar would be a great shield. We do need another tall midfielder if we sign him. So one or two of the present midfield could be shipped out. Bye bye xhaka and wilshire?

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12 Jun 2018 20:05:07
If Jacks offer from us still stands I don't think he will get a better one from anywhere else in the premier league south of Watford, so I expect he will stay but not really fussed either way as he has no resale value at all so it's not as though we could benefit too much from him leaving bar wages I suppose.
If he stays he stays and if not will anyone notice:-)

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11 Jun 2018 23:22:51
Hello again to everyone, also excited to see Iwobi post World Cup with a meticulous manager like emery guiding him. Got fantastic goal scoring production out of players like mata and silva (granted their incredibly gifted) for Valencia and I think Iwobi could develop into an excellent wide 10. He looked excellent against England for Nigeria and despite getting slated at certain points last season I believe he has real potential. Bold prediction but I think he could force mhikhitaryan out the starting 11 over the course of next season. Opinions?

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12 Jun 2018 05:30:09
Just a big WOW! .

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12 Jun 2018 05:51:48
Sorry Bergkamp but have to say an even bigger WOW.

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12 Jun 2018 07:46:45
There are players such as Iwobi and Xhaka that will no doubt improve under Emery. There are others such as Chambers, Jenkinson and Akpom, that are simply not good enough. Proof of the pudding is the fact that Iwobi and Xhaka are regularly selcted and play well for their international teams.

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12 Jun 2018 08:17:14
Couldn't agree more RG. Iwobi is another interesting prospect to see grow under Emery. He's another play that has come of the gates flying and then be reeled in by Wenger and the typical Arsenal regime. " Don't shoot! " "Don't try anything other than pass and move! " is pretty much what they live by. It's funny how our stuffing against Burnley consisted of 2 goals from the edge of the box with Iwobi being one of the goalscorers. Kolasinac was the other and they were both brilliant finishes. We shouldn't write them off just yet with a new coach who will give them some freedom to show their individuality.

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12 Jun 2018 08:28:44
Would Iwobi or Xhaka be in the England squad?
This is pure wishful thinking first some but not others, Chambers did very well when he fist arrived and had 7 or 8 good games but has struggled ever since while Xhaka and Iwobi have never had a run of good games.
Nothing wrong with hoping Emery might turn players who have struggled under Arsene around but these wild predictions of greatness are based purely on personal hopes and dreams rather than proven footballing ability.
We can't base our new start on Iwobi Xhaka coming good or Maitland Niles being the one who comes good from out youths, that's just fingers crossed wishful thinking and if we were going to do that we may have well stick by Arsene for another decade.

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12 Jun 2018 08:53:17
Never once have I said rely on them coming good, all I'm saying is that we shouldn't be too hasty to send them all out the door when we have other players that have barely put on an Arsenal shirt, (because they truly aren't good enough) that are still at the club. Evidently they have footballing ability or they wouldn't be at Arsenal at all surely? Yes we need a winger but Iwobi is still young and has the time to develop with a new coach and a player to take note from. Like is aid, squad depth is key is getting rid of the potentials is bad idea 100%. let's say we get rid of Iwobi and bring in Gelson Martins. Okay that's good but then we still only have 1 winger? A typical Arsenal would play Aubameyang out there but why play players out of position? Why not have Martins and Iwobi as backup? You need rotation in the form of players who actually play in that position, simple.

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12 Jun 2018 10:03:48
I'm happy if Dick wants to give them a chance and I've said that many time but it's the trying to use stats and international caps as grounds to make Iwobi and Xhaka look better than what everyone has seen from them that I find difficult.
Iwobi Xhaka Mustafi Chambers all get slatted almost every time they play by most Arsenal fans 99% of neutrals and 100% of pundits simply because of what people see from them almost every time they play.
I see nothing to suggest that Iwobi and Xhaka are more worthy than Chambers of a second chance because all have been extremely poor for us so far.
And the international argument is ridiculous because by that measure a player who gets into the Gibraltar or San Marino team is better than Wilshere or Theo because they can't get into the England team.
All I'm sayng is let's accept what we and everyone has seem with our own 2 eyes for the last couple of seasons from these players and hope there is better to come from them all under Dick but not try and pretend they haven't all been pretty poor so far because that just isn't real.

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12 Jun 2018 11:28:58
They have been poor and I totally agree with you mate! However, what do you expect when they're played in either the wrong position or aren't coached to their strengths, whilst also working to improve their weaknesses? Xhaka has had it tough being relied on to play in a position that he isn't comfortable with but wants to play for Arsenal and do his best. Agree he hasn't been brilliant but I want to see him play in the right position with the right players around him :)

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12 Jun 2018 12:58:28
I have to say in Iwobi's defense, Ok I haven't got much! However in Wengers last few games, because he played both Auby and Lacca together, i noticed that Iwobi was still played but in a seemingly more deeper role, in which i thought he showed more potential? He is not exactly small, fairly muscular, and can pass, so with a bit of coaching to put himself about a bit more, could he become more of a CM? I mean he can't be any worse in the CM role than Xhaka can he?

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12 Jun 2018 13:28:14
This summer and next season will answer lots of questions we've all asked like was it Arsene or the players he signed that wasn't upto it? Was it the club or Arsene that wouldn't spend?
This is a fresh start for everyone from Ozil to Iwobi and I think we should back Dicks judgement and whoever he retains deserves another chance simply because everything is different now.
Obviously all new signings come in with the advantage of no past baggage in an Arsenal shirt while the likes of Iwobi Xhaka Mustafi Chambers are all going to have to work really hard just to get back to where they started with not just Arsenal fans but neutrals and pundits alike, if one of those 4 emerges as a good player for Arsenal I will very pleasantly surprised 2 would be unbelievably brilliant 3 would be pushing the realms of reasonable expectations while all 4 coming good would leave Arsene looking like a much much poorer coach than anyone had previously thought he was even his biggest critics.
Time will tell on all of course but we can't still be debating those 4 next summer too, it has to be next season or never for them all as it really is time for our players to shape up or ship out.

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12 Jun 2018 13:36:28
I would agree with that Epping Iwobi wasn't awful by his own standards in those last couple of games but personally I put that down to the players being on the beach both ours and the Burnley and Huddersfield players.
September to April Iwobi and co all looked well out of their depth in the premier league against the best and worst teams in the league.

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12 Jun 2018 14:27:35
Players and teams can look very different under different managers, played in different positions and using different tactics. Everton and Palace started last season dreadfully, but looked totally different under replacement managers. Alexis Sanchez looks a shadow of the player he was at Arsenal.
For a decade players at Arsenal have rarely improved and in many cases have actually gone backwards. Chambers arrived as a fine young RB and has been converted into an unbelievably average CB.
Iwobi and Xhaka have talent and under Emery they may well come good.

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12 Jun 2018 15:49:34
Let's just not be talking about how good they could be in another 5 years time as we were Theo Ox Jack Gibbs Betner and Ramsey or we will get exactly the same outcome over 38 games per season.

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12 Jun 2018 18:46:11
I don't think Iwobi will make it as long as he's got a hole in his jacksy but he is still young. he's got a modecum of ability, his problem is between the ears. He lacks a footballing brain.

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12 Jun 2018 21:33:42
He can pick a pass at times Steve and maybe just maybe if he works hard in training listens to what he's taught he could prove us wrong yet, I wouldn't be wiling to bet on it myself but it's not impossible just highly unlikely he will become a player.

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12 Jun 2018 21:48:49
Gunner he would be great at newcastle, Crystal palace, west brom etc but not at the top of the prem.

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12 Jun 2018 22:36:07
I can’t even say wow as he is so bad it’s unbelievable.

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