Arsenal Banter Archive March 12 2017

 

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12 Mar 2017 20:58:58
I think with all the negativity going on around the club due to our inability to progress and our manager unable to see the wood for the trees. It would be nice ( because this is a result business ) for the club to come out and tell us what is the minimum it expects to achieve from now until the end of the season.

I would like to know what goals they have now for this club. So people can be accountable. I think that is what most fans want and it would also give us some idea what this clubs ambitions are. The fans the manager and the players will then know what to expect from the final two months of the season, seeing as our league and champs league ambitions have been extinguished.

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12 Mar 2017 21:12:10
I don't think there is any plan or expectation from the club Steve mate, I think it's just a case of " do your best best Arsene old chap "
We all know there is no accountability for the manager from the club or for the players from the manager, everyones disappointed after a bad result but soon get over it once they've had a chat and collectively agree it as all the officials fault each and everytime, well except that Sanchez chappy who insists on upsetting people with his refusal to go along with the cosy lifestyle and keeps upsetting people :-)

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12 Mar 2017 21:27:48
Although possibly paper talk, I believe the board have asked Wenger for his decision within the next 2 weeks (after International break) .

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12 Mar 2017 22:15:04
Do u guys really want owners that do not demand anything from their manager because that's what we have. We need owners that will demand success from our manager n if he fails then have the balls to sack him. Wenger has delivered year in year out. Never has he been outspoken against his owners or bought the club disarray. Remeber y dein left? Because our current owners where not willing to invest in the club to allow arsenal to remain competitive. We need owners that demand more.

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12 Mar 2017 22:17:27
That says it all Dags mate, Arsene will tell us and the board what he's doing and if the club is to move forward or go through the motions again next season. That can't be right.
What other club in the world operates with a totally unaccountable manager?
If this is realy allowed to happen then we have officially become Arsene Wenger football club.

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12 Mar 2017 22:52:30
Gunner how amateurish or naive is that. What happens when wenger comes out and says he is going to stay and we finish 5th and don't win fa cup. I don't get what would be achieved by giving wenger cart blache on his decision to stay or go while he waits for a knock on his door from whoever in the meantime.

Unless we aren't getting the full story and he will be accountable for what happens or happened this season. WhatI find hard to take is last summer there was supposed to be a clear out of the dead wood and build the squad to win the league. 110 mil was spent and we have gone backwards with the signings.

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12 Mar 2017 23:01:03
Plus maybe wenger should come out and tell everyone what his intentions are and the goals he is setting himself for the end of the season so he can be judged on that.

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12 Mar 2017 23:33:57
My two cents - goal is top 4 and champions league.

To compete Year in year out for title costs too much money - Wenger is meeting expectations on a reasonable budget. Therefore no issues as he meets the boards desires.

If they were poles apart - he would be sacked and there would be far more money in the bank.

Truth is - we don't have the resources to fund an on going title charge year in year out so we make do and hope for a few lucky signings to may be compete once a decade plus a cup run.

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13 Mar 2017 01:29:46
Sy with all due respect, I don't agree about money, we have spent big, why you keep persisting in just using money as an excuse and you do. Money has nothing to do with our annual blip in November, money has nothing to do with poor game management when we are under pressure, money has nothing to do with embarrassing exits from the champions league, money has nothing to do with falling behind the pace yearly in january and feb and coming strong at the end.

What did money have to do with beating chelski easily then losing easily against the same players. What did money have yo do with getting hammered by Southampton and watford who have less money than us. What has money got to do with leaving your best player out of an important game away. What did money have to do with going 3 goals behind to a newly promoted team and scraping a draw. Money is not the problem.

Buying players like xhaka is about money, buying players like mustaffi is about moneyand buying perez is about money, about wasting it. But the problem with this club is not about money but what we do woth it and the management of football matches.

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13 Mar 2017 07:19:27
Steve r, I think that is obvious, a top four place to secure Champions League football and the huge income derived from participating in the competition. Clearly winning the FA Cup would be a bonus.

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13 Mar 2017 09:04:40
As a manager who'd you want to win you titles there is no defence of Wenger, I've come to admit he no longer has it in him to make that big jump again.

I agree with Steve re signings, albeit some are in their first seasons but Mustafi, Gabriel, Xhaka and Perez simply because he doesn't use him above others seem to currently be a waste of close to £100 million.

Van Dijk and Kante, the two of them even if we'd paid over the odds wouldn't have cost £100 million but would have had a far better impact than the other 4.

We really are about to lose Sanchez just as the club sanctioned the sale of RVP you wouldn't put it passed them to sell to City.

We have an owner entrenched in mediocrity who in honesty is probably scared to lose Wenger, likes what he achieves and with absolutely no will to turn this club into winners why risk change, why risk what happened to United.

It's painful to watch us bumbling along with a manager who must see he no longer has what it takes.

How, SY, you can argue we don't have the money to challenge for a title really is clutching at straws.

In reality the last two league titles were there for the taking and when the going got tough we capitulated once again. I'm sick of Wenger talking about mental strength, the one thing he fails to instil in his team the most.

We have become a weak walk over, 5 points in the top 6 mini league, Liverpool have 22. That in itself is shocking. There is zero defence of 10-2.

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13 Mar 2017 09:11:16
Spot on steve.

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13 Mar 2017 12:14:07
Fine posts steve.

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13 Mar 2017 12:56:16
Oh I forgot liverpool, who made a profit in transfers and ins this year and are top of the top six league, what has that got to do with money?

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13 Mar 2017 16:07:59
Agree stoner.

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13 Mar 2017 16:13:13
Derby, where have you been hiding? Nice to hear from you.

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13 Mar 2017 19:06:18
Took some time out steve but have been catching up now and again and you are on fire and have been holding it down. You are no longer the minority mate.

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12 Mar 2017 18:47:43
Alright first post in a while, and I will attempt to subdue some of the negativity on here at the moment. I mean not really this is still going to be pretty negative.

Some of the stuff being said about arsenals performance against Lincoln is a bit of a joke. People slating our performance just because we only scored once at the end of the first half. It was always going to be difficult, and a completely different type of challenge, and I don't think it would have been much different if another of the top 6 were playing them. They're probably better than most teams in league two as well. Some are just trying to find more and more issues where there doesn't need to be. We got over a potential stumbling block pretty easily in my opinion. The FA Cup against a lower league side has literally always been like that.

And the bayern 2nd leg result, although obviously pretty awful and difficult to look at, again wasn't as bad as some are portraying it was. That first half was probably the best we've played all season. Then a kos mistake at the beginning of the 2nd half plus what I believe shouldn't have been a red card, ended the game then. 10 men against bayern, and already resigned to the fact we were out of the champions league the majority of players were going to lose concentratuon, commitment and motivation. Thought ox was really good, at least in the first half. Although that brings up another point about the lack of heart or desire in the current crop and the lack of pride at playing for the club. Either way I thought it was an understandable collapse and isn't the be all and end all of the season.

Before people get on my back, arsenal have been on a knife edge of the champions league places and not pushing for titles for a well overdue period now. And some change is definitely necessary, everyone knows a lot of the squad needs to go and it is probably time up for Wenger, which is a real shame to me. But if and when he does leave I'll be very (and pleasantly) surprised if we weren't a lot worse off to begin with. It's like we have gone through a massive transition period in the last 10 years for the Emirates move and are now going to have to go through another one with a complete change of regime, after 20 years of the same thing. It will be difficult.

Anyway yes arsenal have been poor this season, and we haven't been good enough for a while. But people stop losing your heads the seasons not over yet, we are in the fa cup semis and we win our games in hand we are back in the top 4. Get behind the boys first and foremost!

RIP I just killed that post.

P. S

Team at its current state personally should be
Ospina
Bellerin, kos, mustafi, Gibbs
Xhaka, ozil, ox
Walcott, Sanchez, perez

Ox is out with another hamstring injury though obviously, so Ramsey for him. I'm really struggling to understand why perez hasn't been given a run in the first team. He's always looked energetic, Sharp, willing to work to me and with a mean left foot. Plus, apart from the extremely rare spell, giroud has just never been good enough to be starting every game. Perfect bench player as it is a completely different option when things aren't going our way however. And finally, I don't particularly rate Gibbs nor monreal but think Gibbs offers more.

Right now I'm done.

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{Ed001's Note - can I just ask, do you really think the first half against Bayern, who were 5-1 up after the first leg so sitting back, was that good? I do not see why so many Gooners say that, when they are completely forgetting that Bayern were happy to just sit back and let you do what you want, knowing that they only had to see out the 90min to go through.}

12 Mar 2017 19:25:13
Yeah fair shout. But teams often sit back against us, doesn't mean we always play well against it. And maybe best we've played all season was over the top, but we have been bad this season and I can't think of much better.

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{Ed001's Note - ok mate, just wondered. I have seen a few Wenger supporters who have talked it up as a reason for hope, so I thought I would ask, as I never saw it that way. Yes you played well, but Bayern just looked like they were cruising, safe in the knowledge they were through.}

12 Mar 2017 19:46:34
Like I posted the other day, this is what worries me most.

When we are on top and playing well, we score 1 goal in 45 mins.

When Bayern step up in 2nd half, they score 4 goals in about 20 mins.

Big gulf in class between the 2 teams.

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12 Mar 2017 19:52:58
To me the Chelsea win was our best performance of the season by some distance, we looked in control from first minute to last, last season the home win against utd was the result of the season and the season before that was City away, but these proved to be blips not new beginnings as we all now know.
We have more meltdowns and embarrassing results than any other top clubs over the past 7 or 8 years.
Imagine if Chelsea Utd Liverpool Spurs went to city and got beaten 7 0, every football fan would be shocked and talking about it all over the weekend and Monday morning at work but if it was us it would be a case of ' I see the Arsenal players caved in again'
Its not acceptable for a club like Arsenal to be thrashed so often that nobody is surprised anymore and it's become almost onky to be expected 2 or 3 times each season.

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12 Mar 2017 20:41:29
the first leg was the pointer to how we perform in big games when the heat is on. The second leg was about bayern just seeing the game out and using their experiences to get through. They had no need to chase the game at all. The final result was 10-2 whether we played well first half of the second leg or were allowed too. There is a positive spin to be put on it or a negative spin, it doesn't matter, the result does. If it was 2-1 in the first leg we would have an argument, as it was we haven't.

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12 Mar 2017 16:16:28
It's the raver coming through in his Subaru after sending the millwall boys home black and blue, who needs box office when you can watch the raver for free from your window, I also don't need ice packs or water just, a good old strongbow and a spliff and I'm off for round 2. Also R. G. anything you boys do we do it better and nobody can beat us at home and we all want your boys in the semi finals as it will be a easy day as you fail to win any big games.

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12 Mar 2017 17:12:33
Just as well the semis are at Wembley then Rav, home form is irrelevant.

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12 Mar 2017 17:14:10
Raver,
We don't class playing Spurs as a big game. So, we will win matey.

Be careful if you see the Millwall keeper when driving your Subaru.
Mind you, I don't think you will knock him over, everything just goes past him anyway.

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12 Mar 2017 17:25:10
I think you can beat Chelsea Utd of city Raver mate, I'm not saying you will but I think if you draws any of those 3 you have nothing to fear from any of them, strangely enough I think you are our best bet of reaching the final not because where better than you as I think you are currently much more capable of playing as a team than us but in a derby game especially in a semi final or final itself the form book gets thrown out the window.
I think any of Utd Chelsea and City will all get past us without to much difficulty but you boys may find it much tougher.

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12 Mar 2017 17:41:00
Spot on gunner, I also know arsenal will want Tottenham tomorrow as they will see it as a better chance than Chelsea or city to reach the final. I also forgot the semi-finals are at Wembley Banbury and I'll take my comments back lol.

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12 Mar 2017 19:11:12
Oh Rav and I thought you were a knowledgable chap? Did you hear Kane is injured.

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13 Mar 2017 07:28:41
Oh dear raver, more drivel. We were both fortunate to have home quarter final matches against inferior opponents. First a thank you to the Toot as they were part of my winning accumulator that put £1961 into my bank account, about the value of your Mum's rusty old Suburu. If the Toot can do anything better than Arsenal, how about actually winning the league in your short lifetime, 1961 and waiting? Or your manager actually winning a trophy, 8 years and waiting, that's ideal for the Toot! When was the last time you won a trophy? As for your away record, 4 PL wins all season! Knocked out of the League Cup away from home and and your record at Wembley was poor, extremely poor! Hopefully we will draw the Toot in the Semi-Final at, yes you guessed it. Wembley! The pain at the Lane and Wemblety just goes on. 1961 and waiting.

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13 Mar 2017 08:59:12
Raver playing you in the fa cup may be a defining point in this season.

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13 Mar 2017 19:00:25
R. G.

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12 Mar 2017 14:13:35
thank god the spuds have vincent jansen as back up for harry kane.

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12 Mar 2017 16:20:27
It doesn't matter who we bring on, we just keep winning 6-0 another easy afternoon. I laughed at Wenger when he said Arsenal are back after beating a non league club, my boys down the dog and gun would smash them lol.

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12 Mar 2017 11:48:27
According to papers, ...........

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{Ed002's Note - You are on the wrong page - this is the Arsenal page.}

12 Mar 2017 12:26:54
Was merely a topic of conversation Ed.

Surely talking about football in general, seeing as this is a football banter site, is acceptable?

But, respect your decision Ed.

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{Ed002's Note - It would make good banter on the appropriate page.}

12 Mar 2017 13:02:39
No problem Ed.
Thank you.

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12 Mar 2017 10:19:34
Well done Lincoln on a superb cup run.

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12 Mar 2017 12:23:05
And well done to arsenal, the one thing i don't get is why start ospina against bayern and cech against Lincoln.

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12 Mar 2017 13:05:39
Fair point Leahy.
But, you could argue, Wenger does stay true to the players who played in previous rounds, although some might argue you should always play your strongest team, especially in CL.

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12 Mar 2017 13:16:47
I never understand restaurant no your first choice players in the top competitions, especially a keeper.

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12 Mar 2017 13:19:03
Ospina was injured.

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12 Mar 2017 13:29:06
And there hangs a tale Dags mate, Arsene being nice to everyone and trying to keep everything cosy hasn't exactly encouraged a winning mentality within the squad.
Rosicky Artetta last season Mertesacker next season createx a jobs for the boys attitude through out the club, if you fit yout fine regardless of current ability and if you don't ( Joel Campbell ) your out.

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12 Mar 2017 13:54:22
Bambam,
Why don't you understand restaurants?

Walk in, sit down, browse menu, choose desired food, eat, drink, pay and walk out.

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12 Mar 2017 13:55:15
G62,
As you say, and rightly so, we are the cosy club.

Everybody gets a game 😃.

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12 Mar 2017 08:04:02
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, My Premier League Team Of The Season, So Far

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12 Mar 2017 07:47:02
With PSG knocked out of the CL despite taking a big lead to Barcelona and currently sitting 3rd in their domestic lead, I can see Wenger taking over at the club. Lot's of 'noise' re Allegri taking over from Wenger. I am pleased that we won comfortably yesterday and hopefully confidence has been restored in time for our trip to WBA. We have difficult run of matches in our quest to finish in the top four and the FA Cup semi final will also provide tough opposition. Of course we would like to play the weakest team, the Toot, who have a poor away record and their Wembley record is awful.

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12 Mar 2017 12:02:34
Big gamble for both Arsene and PSG to get together especially after what happend at both clubs in Europe this week.
PSG fans are unhappy and I'm not sure brining in Arsene a manager who has failed to have any impact in the premier league or champions league races for over a decade would fill them with renewed confidence.
For Arsene it would take him out of his comfort zone at Arsenal where he still enjoys a lot of support despite his inability to make a single challange either home or abroad for a decade.
Arsene will hang on to the Arsenal job for as long as he can because its his best option of being able to remain in top club football for as long as he chooses to do so.
Anywhere other than Arsenal accountability would come into play and if he was to have a season like he the one he is currently having or any of the past 7 or 8 seasons at Chelsea City United Bayern Barcelona Real Madrid PSG he wouldn't last from August to May in year one.
IMO if it's at all possible for him to do so I think Arsene will be Arsenals manager next season, he will probably sign a 1 year deal in order to try and minimise some fans pundits and media uproar but I'm pretty sure he will still be our manager next season.
At what cost to Arsenal football club only time will tell but I'm pretty sure Arsene will not let go of the Arsenal managers job by choice.

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12 Mar 2017 13:25:31
Gunner I agree, funny that. I think if wenger goes to psg, there would be riots, we know the french don't mess about. But I think if he stayed at arsenal, there also could be riots. Retirement; a good book, a pipe, slippers, a large glass and an allotment is the best choice.

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12 Mar 2017 14:03:58
Knowing our luck he'll go and win the champions league lol.

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12 Mar 2017 16:10:48
16 I'd love that to happen for Arsene i really would, I really like him as a person and wish him nothing but good.
When it comes to pure footballing matters i care much more about Arsenal football club being all it can be than I care about keeping Arsene Wenger happy but on a personal level I would love to see Arsene rediscover his competive edge again in his next job and achieve his ultimate ambition of winning the champions league, he will never get even close to that with us and we will never move forward and achieve our full potential under Arsenes management, but apart maybe great things are possible for both Arsene and Arsenal that are just impossible together, happy ending for all would be perfect :-)

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12 Mar 2017 07:41:41
Well wweii done the team for getting past a potential disaster. Bt Commentary was biased against us. and the will or won't he saga goes on because lord high Wenger chooses it to.

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