Arsenal Banter Archive November 12 2014

 

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12 Nov 2014 21:16:18
On today's poll good manager v lucky manager
Has Arsene inn the past had more than his fair share of good fortune to go along with his obvious talent too of course.
What I mean is he inherited the best defence in the business and also came to England at a time when his home country was about to unleash an abundance of young talent that would go onto dominate international football in the next couple of years.
H had an obvious advantage over other PL mangers with his knowledge of the French league just at the right time and brought in a host of raw youngish French talent that few were previously aware of including Henry and Vieira who would inherit from the likes of Adams Keowen Dixon a fighting winning strong mentality, keown has said that senior players often adapted Arsene's tactics which were heavily attack focused and once on them pitch made sure the other players knew their defensive responsibilities every bit as much as their attacking ones.
Has Arsene's luck run out as much as his talent faded?

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12 Nov 2014 22:29:12
G62,

You are spot on about Wenger tapping into the French market and also inheriting a great back 4 on his arrival.

He had a reputation for unearthing raw talent, sadly that talent seemed to have eluded him over the years.

For me, the master of team building is Sir Alex Ferguson, who produced title winning teams year after year after year, albeit with more of an open cheque book.

I think the departure of David Dein has impacted our success over the past 8 or 9 years.

I know DD did not do our scouting but, he has been the person AFC have missed the most of the years.

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Funny you should mention David Dein mate I was listening to a show yesterday where 5 gooners from different forums were discussing Arsene and it was said that now days Arsene has too much power over everything because he's the only person in a high position at the club who knows the game.
It was said Arsene tells the club to go for a player and only to pay x amount not a penny more in fee and wages because that's their value and they listen but with Dein Wenger would give him a list of players he wanted and he would do what it took to get them, if he had to pay a couple of million over the odds on a player he would do it then and then try and nick a few quid back on other deals to try to balance the books but he got what Arsene wanted and the team needed.
Makes some sense because if you look at players like Matta who we lost at the last minute that didn't use to happen to us at all but now its quite common that we lose out on players when they look Arsenal bound

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12 Nov 2014 19:51:17
Hi eds,
Given that more and more people are joining the Arsene Wenger Out brigade and his job is being talked about a lot more, are the club really preparing for life after Wenger? Do you have an idea who they're looking at to replace him?

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{Ed002's Note - Try Twitter.}

I am as guilty as others complaining about Wenger, but we are currently the FA Cup & Community Shield holders, who are 1 point off qualifying for the last 16 of the CL & 1 point off a top four spot and only 4 points behind City. All this with 4 major players out with long term injuries and Walcott not yet match fit. If Wenger was to leave the four managers I would want are Mourinho, Ancelotti, Guardiola or Simone. The first three are all employed by huge clubs and are almost impossible to hire. Whilst I am not even sure if Simone speaks English, never mind whether would be able to manage successfully in the PL. So let's do our part and get behind Wenger & the team. You only have to look at Tottenham to see the effect unrest can have on the team, who are scared to play at home, as the crowd have turned on them.

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12 Nov 2014 19:21:07
Anyone any idea why Wenger hasn't played Campbell, Rosicky & Podolski much this season? What is going on with Abu Diaby, I can't believe he is still injured.

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12 Nov 2014 20:11:45
Diaby injured again I think, although not listed in Physioroom.

For whatever reason Wenger doesn't fancy Campbell, so to speak.

Rosicky and Podolski?
Again, anybody's guess.
I thought we would have seen more of Pod, especially since Ozil's injury, but I just don't think Wenger is happy with Pod's defensive work rate.

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12 Nov 2014 10:32:57

I think this may be my third or fourth post.
A few things I would like to say really.
We are all very dissapointed in the run of results we are having there is no doubt about that and there are some very good opinions on here about it and that's good too.
Being a new poster but a long term reader of this site I enjoy the humour of people its makes it fun.
However I have noticed a few snidey comments directed at people and I feel that's out of order.
I am going to mention names even though its not my game but I've noticed that Stoner is constantly popping off Goldboy and having sly digs at others too last one mentioning peoples ignorance.
If everyone was a top notch expert they would be earning a crust on TV as a pundit. This site I thought was about ordinary people sharing views and why not. Its not about giving it large over the internet.
I have to say I think the Eds do a great job but the slagging people off has got to stop I didn't join this site to read peoples personal vendettas.
Sorry Stoner mate but you are at it most of the time just look back in your history.
Goldboy if its of any consolation I think a lot of what you posted made a lot of sense mate.
Ive got to say, one of the reasons I stopped posting was because I was getting fed up with the constant digging out of people.
Have a go at the team boys if you are not happy
not each other.
Thanks

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12 Nov 2014 12:13:00
Good post mate.

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Harmony and respect are a two way street and as much as people shouldn't ever be getting personal with each other or threatening them EVER in any way shape or form they shouldn't also be trying to goad each other indirectly either.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and should be allowed to post it without fear of personal abuse but also we all know their are things that wind others up and gets a reaction that quickly becomes volatile because they've been covered and brought about hostility many many times before, personally I think unless they become relevant again as news rather than history recycling old arguments benefits no one.
Personally I can ignore anything that I find provocative especially if I feel that's the motive because what floats some peoples boats don't float others.
As said respect is and should be a two way street and if we can't get on with that much we should just avoid each other.
Banters great and why we're all here but bating ain't in my book

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12 Nov 2014 12:49:44
G62,

But you kept bullying me regarding Remy.

Lol, only joking mate, it was all good banter and I loved every minute.

That's how it should be.

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You got me there Dags :-) I did indeed beat you very hard with the Remy stick quite relentlessly but as you say in the name of well intended humorous banter never in malice .
Just this week Rocky took exemption to my views and decided not to post any longer and I'm absolutely gutted about that, its never my intention to offend anyone seriously, in the name of obvious humour and friendly banter very often but never to the extent of actually upsetting some one for real.
I don't understand anyone who would want to deliberately offend anyone else, disagree debate and agree to disagree are surely the way of things not trying to goad each other into an argument.
The traffic on this page has decreased with the teams fortunes to some extend as we all have different opinions on the best way forward for the club so naturally disagreement takes the place of the humour that was rife a liitle while back quite often.
Sometimes we offend people without meaning to and that's a great shame but when people try to offend others? that's shameful in my opinion

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12 Nov 2014 14:22:27
ARSENAL, GOLDBOY, FIBBY, EDDIE5555, GOODOLDARSENAL, thanks for your input mate.

If I have a differing opinion then I'll say it, I have no problem if GOLDBOY doesn't like Wilshere but to do it under various guises is in my book bollox. I'm also not into making stuff up for effect unlike Walter Mitty.

I'm not into buttering up Mancs or Scousers, they can simply jog on.

I think you'll also find that GOLDBOY was the abusive one. My last post pointed out he had simply rehashed posts from the weekend.

Did you hear me complain when someone stated those who thought Wenger should stay were deluded. No, I didn't think so.

This is a banter site where I have an opinion like everyone else, I don't suffer fools gladly and like I said, I'm not going to suck up to plastic Mancs or bitter scousers.

If that's ok with you mate.

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Here we go again, same format same trap same out come.
When did goading people ever achieve anything worth while.
Banter is fun and informative
Baiting isnt

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12 Nov 2014 17:29:19
G62,
I know mate, I think you and Banbury upset Rocky, shame though because you were only expressing your entitled opinion.

C'mon Stoner mate, chill out.
Its all just a bit of fun at the end of the day.

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{Ed002's Note - You need to stop the idiot notes to the eds otherwise I will delete your posts.}

12 Nov 2014 18:10:12
Yeh stoner told u lol, how dare anybody have friendly banter with any1 other than gooners!!

I best 'jog on' before winstone gets knarky again lol

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12 Nov 2014 18:36:59
Dags and g62,

As the eternal peace keepers for everything Arsenal I totally understand where you are coming from and each of us no doubt get frustrated with perceived failings by each other to see our own point of view.

I'm pretty much in the minority of those that want Wenger to stay despite seeing what everyone else sees with things going wrong on the pitch.

I'm not certain that Stoner needs to chill as it's pretty obvious what has happened, you'd have to be blind not to see it, but maybe like you've said before, let it go over you're head.

It's not been much fun on here lately, we all desperately want us to win and win like champions, it's got so bad people actually want Song back ;-)

We're riding a pretty sketchy wave, we want Wenger to see what we see and do what we want him to do.

Me I hope he does and leaves us on a huge high but the light at the end of the tunnel seems further away instead of blinding us like it should be.

So I agree totally with Stoner but maybe let those that have a somewhat odd agenda get on with it.

Anyway I think we are definately going to win the league, just wish I knew which year! :-)

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12 Nov 2014 19:55:31
red,

I don't have a problem with Stoner, he calls it as he see's it and fair respect to the bloke.
in fact, I like the fella.

me? well, i'm still pro-Wenger and posted a nice little post a few days ago about us getting behind him.
unfortunately, it went on other post's so not many saw it.
(actually, I think you did).

you think we are going to win the league mate?
maybe you should change your name to Stoner too, lol.

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Great post Red mate I agree with so much of it, yes we all knew what was going on in the original post mate multiple user names do this site no favours at all, Better to be wrong and disagreed with as yourself than try and be right pretending to be someone else, all I would say to stoner is like you knew exactly what was really going on mate we all knew too hence my comment about goading people.
Me and Dags do try to be peace keepers I guess it comes from not wanting people upset I've never liked people being embarrassed or picked on for no good reason or the site to to be degraded we are all grown ups so should be able to disagree with each other with resorting to personal insults.
Red I totally respect your support for Arsene mate I don't agree with it but I respect you for having the guts to be in a minority and still say what you think and also for accepting that others have a different opinion which just happens to be the right one :-)

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12 Nov 2014 10:19:41
Arsenal Liverpool man utd
Which one of the three clubs above will win the PL title before the other two?

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We will try and cling to top 4 until it is no longer an option and I wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool end up in administration in the next 5 years. I think they should have gone 3 or 4 years ago but there was some dubious takeover shenanigans which the club and FA/Premier league seemed to cover up. So ranting aside, ManUtd will be the next of the 3 to win the PL.

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I agree Davros I think as of next season we will see 3 powerhouse clubs all competing for places 1 2 and 3 and probably for the next couple of seasons after next too.
With Arsenal Liverpool Everton spurs and who knows maybe even one or two others all fighting it out for forth place each season.
utd are prepared not only pay what it takes to get back amongst the contenders again but to also do what it takes no matter who it upsets within their club or any where else come to that

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12 Nov 2014 18:00:03
I think we are 2 players away from being possible champions.
A top class centre half and a defensive mid.

Man Utd will get stronger.

Liverpool, for me are about 4 players away from being champs.

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12 Nov 2014 18:49:13
And a back-up for each when they get injured.

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12 Nov 2014 20:03:24
I don't see Liverpool or United as the threats some others do, Liverpool need defenders and a replacement for Stevie G.

United have a keeper, baring him not leaving for Madrid, a left back of great promise, Di Maria who wanted PSG and is by all accounts unhappy, Mata who the are looking to offload, Falcao who may or may not stay, then an ageing out of form RVP along with a nothing like the player of 2008, Rooney and a promising young winger and striker, Wilson and Januzaj.

Beyond that, Blind, Rojo, Smalling, Jones, Evans, Young, Blackett, McNair, Carrick, Fletcher, Herrera, Valencia and Fellaini, all miles from the quality United need and pretty much zero strength in depth.

We like Dags says are two players away from being in amongst it but more for a squad of the quality of City.

So for me of those 3 it will be us :-)

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12 Nov 2014 20:24:39
It might take 5 years but unfortunately it'll be United. Sad to have to admit it

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12 Nov 2014 08:33:28
More calls for AW and the board to go. He has been called the professor but I think the depressor is more apt now.

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12 Nov 2014 12:13:58
Lol, I like that :-)

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12 Nov 2014 06:30:25
I have just read that Arteta has a agreed a one year extension, with the possibility of a further year if he makes a certain number of appearances. Much as I love Arteta's attitude, he is going to be 33 in March and is clearly past his best, injury prone and is not a top level defensive midfield player. Would Chelseaor Man City want him in their squads?
This type of decision is symptomatic of Wenger. He has kept faith with certain players at the club who are simply not up to the task. We kept the likes of Bendtner, Djourou, Almunia at the club far too long.

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We have got and have been signing for years players who belong in the top level of football but not with a top 4 chasing club.

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Arteta is a decent squad player. However if the wages he is getting are as being reported then I'd let him go.

Much better player than Flamini though.

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12 Nov 2014 10:58:43
Rewarding someone too old for the job for mediocrity.

Thats about right for this club

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12 Nov 2014 20:30:31
With G95 good squad player, but he has to justify his wages, the flip side to that though is he is Captain. A Captain is always going to be a top earner.

Bendtner was one we tried constantly to get rid of. The problem was we couldn't shake him because his wages were too high for anyone else to take him on board.

We can be guaranteed Arteta will see out his contract with us because no one is going to stump those wages along with a transfer fee to take him. Regardless of how much use or lack there of we get out of him.

Bad business in my books

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12 Nov 2014 05:58:39
Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal what is going on. After such promise at the start of last season I really thought we would kick on this year and challenge for the holy grail right up until May. I've never been more wrong in my life!

A lot if people are slating Wenger for the disaster our club is becoming. Wenger is not the problem, he is one of several. We need change from the hierarchy at the top to the players on the park. At the next AGM someone should stand up and say "it's time for change, this isn't working anymore'. It's like any poor performing organisation whether it's a sports club or supermarket if something isn't working it's time for change. Stan Kroenke should be embarrassed to be our leader in the boardroom. His tenure has been disgraceful.

On the park the lads are letting us down big time. As has been well documented our defence is horribly, horribly bad but our attacking football is screaming out for some creativity. I have never been so bored watching us than I have been over the last couple of weeks. Sanchez and the OX aside we have no spark up top. Gone are the days we were the leaders of creating the beautiful game and at the forefront of intelligent football. On a side not if it wasn't for our fortunate London location we would not have players like Sanchez and Ozil among our ranks either.

Mr Wenger, as great as he has been, must say goodbye this season. We need a new main man in the technical area, we need a whole back room reshuffle. As disappointing as David Moyes was at United I liked all the press conferences he gave. He always seemed to have new ideas, modern ideas. That's what we need, not David Moyes but a leader with a modern philosophy.

We are on slippery slope and if we keep slipping it will be long, long, long way back up the hill.

By changing nothing, nothing changes.

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12 Nov 2014 08:28:40
I have said the same time and time again, but don't hold your breath. This board are with AW because he keeps the money reserves high so their income from the club remains high.

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12 Nov 2014 20:37:10
Kroneke has made a profit year on year. He's not about to get embarrassed mate. He has no passion for the club, he's in it to fatten his pockets.

The boys are letting us down but it's not for lack of ability in my opinion. Or even lack of trying. It's an issue of balance and an absence of clear tactical guidelines. Those are Wenger's problems.

Leader with a modern philosophy? Bang on. That's what we're short of. In the dressing room, in the dug out and even on the pitch.

As pete says, don't hold your breath

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