Arsenal Banter Archive August 13 2018

13 Aug 2018 21:45:16
Big Sam has a point

Allardyce claims that the blame lies solely with the manager, who he believes sent his team out with the wrong message.

I don't like Sam but seems to have a point here.

13 Aug 2018 22:08:26
Sy, you are having a bad day, listening to the ramblings of big sam. How many europa trophies and big teams has he won and been entrusted with the big sam tippy wollop.

13 Aug 2018 22:18:55
The new manager sent the team out with a new plan and it's obviously a plan he thinks is right for us to try.
Can our players carry out his plan?
Which players can?
Which players can't?
How will Dick find out?
Oh by I know trial and era, it's the only way to find out and by October he will have a better idea because of first hand experience.
Big Sam knows only one way and wastes millions finding out players who can't handle his way.

13 Aug 2018 22:55:53
Hate how people especially the media are being so negative. One of Unai's strong abilities is apparently his analysis of games and players and with this analysis developing the individual and the team. How can he analyse and develop nothing, we had played no games until Sunday (not counting friendlies which are for fitness) .
You have to give the guy a chance a see how he reacts not just to loses but winning streaks (which can breed complacency) draws (can be even more demotivating than loses, especially if goals are conceded late) .
The next season is going to be turbulent but it is how Unai and the team use this season that he should be judged on.

{Ed002's Note - I remain somewhat off being 100% convinced and remember he was nowhere near first choice.}

13 Aug 2018 23:07:33
True 62 but he also had numerous preseason games and training to work on defence etc.

Playing out from the back against City was a big mistake.

Formation looked a bit messed up and the one thing we were good st before attack . looked disjointed.

If you play from keeper - surely midfield needs to show to get ball from midfield.

Surely a tactician would have seen that as well as the way City attacked down the wings with no challenges

Knowing City's mobility - why start. Xhaka rather than Torriera

Where was Rambo playing

When was he going to address Walker raping our fullback.

13 Aug 2018 23:08:55
What are you saying Ed - in your opinion?

{Ed002's Note - No, for the club.}

13 Aug 2018 23:09:54
The big plus of the citeh game was, Dick learnt everything he needed to know about xhaka and bellerin. Especially xhaka going missing and hiding.

13 Aug 2018 23:15:09
I'm with you 100% Ben, this season is and has to be about putting our house in order.
Next season quite rightly will be different we will all want to see us compete with City or anyone else much better than we did yesterday but if Pep needed a year to adjust to the premier league and get City to play his way I think Dick is entitled to the same time frame at thd very least.

13 Aug 2018 23:38:51
I would be more inclined to blame the players for the performances. The most experienced players didn't turn up and if that happens, you don't stand a chance. The players at least have to buy into working, they are still in the lapsy daisical mode they were in under wenger. Too many down tools when the going gets tough.

13 Aug 2018 23:54:24
No preseason friendlies can replicate a real game SY mate, if Dicks job depended on yesterday then he's at the wrong club and he'd be better off at Leeds where managers get at least a fortnight to prove themselves.

14 Aug 2018 01:24:12
Let’s hope the trial doesn’t last an era g62 😂.

14 Aug 2018 07:57:57
Good point Sanogo :-)
It begs the question, why exactly didn't people vote for me to run the country in the last electrician.

14 Aug 2018 09:20:54
I’m sure you have enough spark for the job g62 😂.

14 Aug 2018 10:14:26
You could actually see that wenger way of passing was still there especially in the first half, in the second half they were a bit more direct once Ramsey was replaced and even more when Xhaka was taken out.
There is more pressure in Competitive games than friendlies as we all know,
We weren’t that bad really on sunday, the team didn’t look scared as the era before and I can only see improvement from Emery on the team.
Altho I liked the fact in Emery post match interview said we had issue needed to be addressed instead of blaming the ref of not awarding the penalty.

14 Aug 2018 11:40:30
I think I run on an ever so slightly different voltage to most people, if there is super fast electricity I'm it's very distant cousin, the one the family don't like to talk about to much :-)
But hey ho I'm happy in my own little world :-)

13 Aug 2018 21:32:32
Emery get a bit of stick - Big Sam saying he was naive playing out from the back against City who " press press press" and now Adams asking what has Emery been doing in the 6 week build up to the start of the season as our defence and Centre midfield look poor.
Townsend stating our big issue could be the front 4 as they were useless while Sky saying we don't have the players to press press press from the front.
All seems to make sense to me as you can't argue with that and I think radio 5 were saying they expect Emery to give players a chance to adapt then a shake up if necessary.
Got a feeling we are getting ready for some shaking

No idea why we didn't start with Torriera and Matteo in midfield against an energetic city.
Behind Emery but can't hel but feel he has a few questions to answet already - hopefully he has the answers.

13 Aug 2018 21:42:50
Sy, if you remember pep got it wrong big style in the prem the first 10 games or so. Its was a culture shock for pep and it will be for Dick but he is a coach and will work it out.

13 Aug 2018 22:23:53
Dick was wise enough to know his Arsenal career wouldn't be all about his first game v City so he didn't bottle it going for the safe negative style in order to win friends and influence people he used the game to learn about his players rather than impress big Sam and big Tony, wise man if you ask me.

14 Aug 2018 10:17:45
You might be right 62.

13 Aug 2018 19:46:54
Just been speaking to someone who was at yesterday's game and he said some fans started leaving the ground after 60 minutes and by 75 minutes around a third of the crowd had left the stadium.
Anyone else there who can comment on this?
I've absolutely no reason to doubt this man because he's a true Gooner who is extremely positive about the future.
Why do people bother going to the game at all if your not going to watch it all?

13 Aug 2018 20:17:29
Hopefully it’s a message to the board - we need funds to compete or we will turn our back on you. Fed up seeing us not compete - on and off the pitch

Liverpool spent more on a keeper than we did on our entire squad

Hopefully not a message to Emery as he needs time and support.

13 Aug 2018 20:46:00
They maybe wanted to get home to watch the athletics.

13 Aug 2018 20:46:16
If it's a message it's got to ^ say the next message is 4 moths long " :-)
We spent 100 million on 2 players last season mate and finished up worse than for 22 years.
I'm not sure what's going to happen financially at the club and neither is anyone else because the future hadn't happend yet but to give up and go home an hour into the new managers rein seems strange to me, why on earth bother attending in the first place?

13 Aug 2018 20:56:47
Pool spent that also last season - how much on a centrehalf?

13 Aug 2018 20:57:36
May be the crowd took a leaf out of Worku‘s book and misjudged the end of the game.

13 Aug 2018 21:32:53
How much did Jurgen spend in his first season mate?
Maybe Dick will take us to a Europa league final in year one like Jurgen without spending a fortune?
It's such early days to know anything.

13 Aug 2018 21:53:14
Ignoring 142m crazy income from Barcelona sale. So not looking at net spend.

He’s spent - 19 Players Bought: £382,850,000

175m this window.

13 Aug 2018 12:44:32
Early days under Emery, so we need to be patient.
We need to get the Chelsea match out of the way and then hopefully we see progress.

13 Aug 2018 15:16:14
We all want to see the team playing well and winning asap but in reality we all knew it was unlikely to happen overnight or even over the corse of a few weeks.
I'd hope to see some real sign of improvement by October time, not necessarily top 4 style improvement but tangible signs of where things are different to what we've been used to seeing.
Emery is more vocal more animated and more decisive than Arsene already which is good but it's seeing that effort from the manager transcend into regular performances from the team that will get everyone excited again.

13 Aug 2018 20:15:46
I think there will be a little more patience afforded Dick, than wenger. But improvement is what people Will expect, if not, patience will dwindle.

13 Aug 2018 08:28:51
I think the team sheet for Chelsea will determine how much has changed under Emery. Under Wenger Xhaka, Ramsey and Ozil would've been guaranteed starters.

I hope he makes a few changes, it's not the defeat that bothers me. It's the fact we never learn from them.

13 Aug 2018 08:55:39
I don't think Xhaka will start v Chelsea and I'm sure his days will be numbed at Arsenal under Dick unless he seriously bucks his ideas up if and when he gets another chance.
I know he's got a new contract but that means little as long as someone somewhere is prepared to buy him in January or next summer.
I just can't see Dick having the patents with Xhaka Arsene had and allowing him to play every game regardless of performances.

13 Aug 2018 09:19:48
I agree I think changes will happen though, Dick Emery isn’t interested in making friends .

13 Aug 2018 09:43:45
True Banbury and they are not his players who he feels loyal to either, for Dick it's purely business not personal.
I can't see him being happy to do post match interviews where he defends the players lack of effort after a 5 0 thrashing while the players themselves are busy taking selfies back in the changing room.

13 Aug 2018 10:09:32
Like you say Emery has no blind faith in the players that Wenger had. He alredy proved he is not afraid to make changes I was encouraged when he made a early sub in tactically replacing Ramsey just after half time something that Wenger never did. He also very animated trying to get instructions across from the sideline, Wenger only ever barated the 4th Offical.

I think Emery is very much a anlayst and will study were we went wrong on Sunday and try and recify things. I think If we are going to play more from the back Leno would be a better choice than Cech as the keeper. It is going to take time and it is very much work in progress but I think there are good signs for the future.

From a personal view I think certainly against the better teams were we will not dominate possetion that we should go 3 at the back in a 3-5-2 (2 DM's 3 AMS both aubu and Lacazette starting) as too often our fullbacks are more of a weakness defensivly that outweights the strength of having them offensivly.

13 Aug 2018 11:24:58
I agree Ryan in that if were going to play out from the back it seems better to play Leno and also with 3 CB's as it gives the keeper more options. However, it also takes an attacking player off the pitch as the midfield 5 is really just a 3, as two will be full backs. The issue becomes only having space for 1 AM, and i would imagine a scenario where you have to choose between Ozil, Ramsey or Miti for that one place, especially if you are going to play both Lacca and Aubu as the front two. Perhaps that's actually nice problem to have?

13 Aug 2018 12:15:06
3 at the back certainly covers a lot of holes up, it makes you more difficult to beat plus a 352 formation finds room for both Pea and Lacasette down the middle. If your middle 5 are all prepend to put in a real team shift and support the defence and attack in equal measure you will always be a handful for anyone.
Where the 352 formation goes wrong
is when you try and play it with unwilling players who aren't prepared to give their all for now team for 90 minutes.
A hard working team of average players will usually beat a lazy team of top players, City are so much better than all others is because they get the best of both while Liverpool are the next best example.

13 Aug 2018 15:10:34
yeah Gunner62 exactly this may seem harsh on the fullbacks but in my view why use wingbacks in a 3-5-2 as if as it is they are getting exposed defensivly in a back 4 they will get even more exposed as wingbacks in 3-5-2. The problem with our sqaud that Wenger never sorted as he hated wide men is that we have no natural midefield wide players that are comfortable out wide (Covering for fullbacks when required on overlaps) . This is why we should not play 4-4-2 either. Play to our main strength centrally and keep that tight and compact as it more important to have a solid spine and that is where you conceed 95% of goals ultimatly in the central section not from shots out wide.

Have 2 DM's, 3 more attaking central AM's then 3 at the back, 2 up top and when the attacking play is down one side one of the forwards can split out wide to get a cross in as and when. Aubu and Lacezette can most props cross better than Bellerin and Monreal anyway. If our fullbacks are our main weakness why play them. If the fullbacks had natural protection in front things would be differnet but Miki, Ramsey and Ozil are never going to give them that anyway.

13 Aug 2018 06:31:11
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 13th August 2018