Arsenal Banter Archive December 13 2012

13 Dec 2012 21:54:44
To repeat my earlier point:

Wenger out, or wenger to stay? As much as the man deservers a bronze statue outside the emirates, I feel wenger lacks the meaning of modern day football, its kinda like your grandad trying to be trendy by getting having an iphone.. It doesn't work. I think he should go up to the board and express on a more influencial level the ways in which the club should financially go forward, and actually make use of the economics degree he has!

thoughts eds? people?

I am not certain that Wenger isnt up to date with the current football era, I just think he has become too powerful a figure at the club, with his ideas prevailing. It is Wenger who believes that the club is a business and I seem to recall wants a minimum profit of £20m a year. Whilst the likes of Chelsea, Man C & Man U, dont give a damn about profit, it is extremely hard to compete & he has in effect done well. However, there are now reserves of at least £150m, some say this has increased substantially to £250m, some of which should be spent on acquiring quality players. My main concern is Wenger's insistance of playing his odd formations utilising small technical midfield players in a very physical league. £30m should secure Fellaini, £8m Reina, £15m M'Vila & £8m Huntelaar. Do a deal with United to part exchange Nani & Walcott. The team will then start to take shape. In the summer bring in a quality left back & a centre back. The deadwood must be trimmed.

13 Dec 2012 18:10:17
regardless of a new manager coming in or not, the need to sign new player - players who naturally play in the positions we need them to play in - is hard to ignore. an important issue we need to consider before we get our hopes up for some early new year's presents is the fact that before we can start adding in new players, we have to get some players off the wage bill and empty their lockers to make space for the new members of the bunch. (personally, i don't like the term 'deadwood' so let's call them under-performers, shall we?)

so people that might leave or probably should leave this transfer window or the next-

Lukasz Fabianski
Andre Santos*
Sebastien Squillaci
Johan Djourou
Gervinho
Abou Diaby
Denilson
Andrey Arshavin*
Marouane Chamakh*
Ju-Young Park*
Nicklas Bendtner

* - possibilities of finding a buyer who won't offer just a half-eaten cookie and an empty pack of cigarettes.

anyone want to add more people here or take anyone off the list?

psychocyst.

14 Dec 2012 07:07:42
This isn't from me seeing him play but someone posted the other day that Denilson is now looking a totally better player and think he said he'd beefed up too, so if that we're true maybe keep him but the rest, I'm with you.

Stoner

13 Dec 2012 17:23:33
whats the latest on Keisuke Honda?

Just saw him watching Eastenders with a TV dinner

13 Dec 2012 18:19:50
i said i wont be back but im back and will stick my neck out and say i back wenger and im confident we will finish top 4 it was dissapointing against bradford but im backing the gaffer
imranredman

13 Dec 2012 15:45:21
Banter please Eds, Thank you.


Our major gripe is Arsene in or Arsene out, have his tactics and team been found out, are teams and other managers wise to us and the way we are playing. It doesn't matter if he was co-owner, director, floor cleaner and grounds man all rolled into one, we wouldn't give a toss as long as we were winning. What does his power have on the manner or style in which we play?

Did they stop the Invincibles even though they knew how they were playing, have they not watched Barcelona for the last however long and been able to stop them. No, or Spain for that matter. When Arsenal play the way Arsene wanted them too it was difficult to stop us no matter what you knew or saw.

Why are this team not playing that way, Metal has said there are worse teams on paper playing better football, true. So is it the players, but winning the Champions League or the League for that matter, can anyone see Swansea doing that. No.

How would this team fair against the Invincibles, Man Utd type of result from last year and not in favour of our current team. Cazorla and Jack might have made that side.

So quality is what counts and we have allowed ours to seep away to the point where in reality we have 2 players out of a team of 11 that did what they did, a whole season unbeaten. Meaning that this side in effect would be the back-up players for that squad and learning their trade from them.

We are left with no winners, winners in an Arsenal shirt; we are as many as I said 9 quality players from what we once were. I'm not saying there isn't talent in our squad by any means but proper fully fledged ready to rock and roll talent yes. So it's the quality and quality costs!!

Is it Silent Stan and his business plan aligned with a manager who no longer seems to inspire or get his team to play the Arsene way and in turn the Arsenal way? Its rumoured Cazorla and Podolski are already unhappy with Arsene.

The fault lies somewhere, Silent Stan, Gazidis ,Arsene or all of them. Whichever and whoever, that stands at a long way to come back. It amazes me that as a billionaire owner that Stan doesn't say If it's not him letting us down and his money making business , I owe you jack sh*t Arsene you're on your bike son. He could get whoever he wants and move us forward. He has the power right?

Where this current soap opera season is leading I've no idea but I have a feeling it will feature Gervinho and Ramsey in its next enthralling episode at 8pm on Monday night against Reading. Don't miss it!!

Stoner

Barca have a very transparent system. it's just that the sheer skill and drive of the team and the fear the oppositions shows that gives them the edge. they've gotten better at it due to tweaking their system, having a solid core and getting in quality to add to the pot or replace those being phased out.
we've stagnated in that aspect.

made a good point a while ago that it's almost as if Arsene's got a great strategy mapped out and paints a good big picture but relies on his players to fill in the details using their own intelligence, and therein lies the failure. our team a long, LONG while ago had players that looked like they could, would and did carry entire games on their own shoulders. the team built around Cesc played well because they realised that they had to get the ball in the middle and play it through and the forwards had little to do but finish.
the new midfield and offence is basically:

Podolski - Giroud - Walcott/Gervinho
Cazorla
Areta Wilshere

+Diaby, Ramsey, Coq, etc.
apart from Gervinho and Arteta, no one's ever played together as a team and any changes in there keeps the equation the same.
Wenger depends on these players to fill the gaps on the grand canvas with their own skill and understanding but there isn't any and Le Prof's probably failing at getting the idea through.

he's built two solid squads, has a proper core for a third for a new one, but i'm starting question his capacity to see this one through under the current circumstances.

psychocyst.

Stoner, quality post mate. You should put this on the United page so we can all see how you really feel. I know you won't want my view as a United fan but...

Like most fans, I have really enjoyed watching Arsenal play and seeing what Wenger has achieved over the years but clearly, 8 years is a long time. I would want to know the answer to a couple of questions...

1. Why do so many of your top players leave? We all lose people we don't want to but going back to when Overmars and Petit left I was really surprised (that was some team). I genuinely don't understand why so many have moved on.

2. Where small your money? Great stadium but your net spend is very low compared to smaller clubs.

I'm not trying to be an arse, I really like Wenger and despite his Fergie arguments I respect his achievements. I guess I wonder if we would have the same situation if SAF stopped winning things - would anyone have the balls to address that or would we be stuck with him until he called it a day?

I 'hate' Liverpool, City are extremely irritating, Leeds are...scum, but despite Pizzagate and the other 'tasty' incidents, I'm almost fond of Arsenal. I hope things resolve for you guys, genuinely.

AJH

Well I think Stan has made it clear he has no desire to get involved with the day-to-day running of the club - so he shirks responsibility. I have no doubt he has very specific demands in terms of financial ones that need to be met every season.

The way the club is run, those are met. He has no need at all, as a man interested in business not sport, to get involved and shake things up. He is getting what he wants. He doesn't care about the fans, the club's history, or the success of the team. He does not put pressure on Wenger in that sense and is totally mirrored in every other sports team he owns.

So you'd hope that someone else on the board does, but they don't, because they're all very rich thanks to Arsene the economist and again they have such a lack of pride in our football on the pitch compared with their pride in the way they run the club that it would seem Wenger is simply left to his own devices.

And that means he is allowed to not spend the money just because he doesn't agree with spending lots on players despite the fact that since the incvincibles era the market has changed, the wages have changed, the level of quality of the opposition has changed, and actually we are bringing in more money in a bigger stadium so we can compete. No point if Wenger thinks that the going rate for a player is unacceptable even though it is the market value. So we're stuck with someone who still does things like they were 10 years ago when a 2L bottle of coke cost 80p.

At what point did Hill-Wood or Gazidis come out and say 'Fabregas is going nowhere - end of' ? Never. You look at Spurs/Modric saga and Levy is the one who stepped in, went public and said he Modric would stay for another year and Madrid could swivel. His prime concern was climbing the table not money.

Stoner, I do actually believe that if this set of players: Szcz, Sagna, Kos/Mert, Verm, Gibbs, Arteta, Wilshere, Cazorla, The Ox, Theo and Podolski as a starting 11 could and should be in a top 3 spot in the league in terms of pound for pound experience and quality. Our first 11 is not that dreadful. No it's not better than the Invincibles but that's only in the sense that in 10 years time the Barca team probably won't be as good as the team they had last year. In terms of individual quality we have a great first team. It's the coaching that's letting us down.

Metal Gooner

13 Dec 2012 15:43:06
back to playing devil's advocate-

okay, so Wenger goofed up...again. his tactics looked ineffective...again. it's turning out to be a season where we realistically look like missing out on silverware...again. looks like Wenger's forcing the management into letting him stay on...agai...wait, WHAT!?

in the words of the Persian messenger who gets kicked down the well, "this is madness!".

now think of this-
you have a multi-billion cash cow in the form of a big European football club, a set of under-qualified and under-achieving set of players whom you didn't have to spend a dime buying nor do you have to worry about paying them now, a talented manager who's over-achieved and set up a club in a strong position but is slowly falling behind in the rat race and fans who shout and scream much but don't seem to affect the income.

do you-
A) do nothing but sit behind a desk counting your money only to take the occasional break to play a round of golf because the thing that matters to you i.e. money keeps pouring in and idle the time away before the financial report says it's better to cut and run?

B) being a football fan, take initiative and get your people to change the footballing management or get them to buy fresher players ready to achieve while getting your top players to pen down to new contracts or both?

it doesn't take a genius to figure out what's what.


alternately, you're a chief executive who works for a greedy owner and an unambitious board of directors who care about the wads of money lining their pockets. the club you work for is heading towards a bad, yet not entirely unpredictable, turn of fortunes.
do you-
A) keep punching in the numbers so the cashflow stays steady as long as possible, thus keeping the bosses happy and earning yourself some retirement money; all of this regardless of how the club performs and let the management on the footballing side of the business take all the heat?
B) risk your neck, get the manager replaced by someone unafraid of change or better yet, go over the manager's head if he's not willing to go along, and spent the seventy thousand billion pounds or cookies or whatever it is available to get talented people who're willing to fight for the club on the pitch? this also means causing the finances to take a hit which could lead to you landing yourself without a job despite having signaled your intent and desire to get the club on winning ways thereby also appeasing the supporters.

i'm sorry if it isn't much clearer.


the post claiming Wenger's running the entire show might as well show up on the conspiracy theory site. if you think a manager who's won, and won in style, decides to shut up shop and try FIFA-esque stupidity like developing players just so he can pawn them off the the highest bidder have lost it.

psychocyst.

P.S. as much as my post's intentions border on irony, the Wenger b!tch-slapping has gotten to a point where it's akin to whipping a dead horse. if all of us understand this, then it must be clear to everyone actually working at the club. if nothing is being done about it, us fans should wonder why that is so.

See, when I read this post, I do also agree with you!

My only conclusion is everyone is to blame equally for the part they play as well as the part they don't.

All I will say is that for every person saying the Wenger runs everything chat may as well be on a conspiracy site, there's another person saying the the opposite. We will never know for sure, this is the dilemma of the typical arsenal fan each month something new comes to light that swings the vote for or against the manager/board and I actually think this might not always be an accident. You can't defeat the enemy if you don't know who the enemy is. But one thing I think we can all agree on is that Stan is simply no good for this club, once upon a time he may have put up some money sure but he's making it all back, the club can probably be borrowed against for him to buy elsewhere in the world and get richer, and he has no interest in football whatsoever.

Metal Gooner

13 Dec 2012 14:41:47
So.

I have done some reading today.

I watched the S Robson interview.

Let's get one thing straight - a man like Stewart Robson does not come out and make claims on SKY NEWS that could jeopardise his reputation without most likely knowing he is right.

He said some big things. He said Arsene is a total dictator. He said Arsene was involved in selecting Gazidis. He said the usual that we all say on here about bad tactics, no nous for the modern game. He said one thing that really struck me because I raised this in a post about a year ago - he said Arsene simply cannot read the game but above all he does not see the problems and that's why he doesn't rectify them.

Now this is an interesting and terrifying point. Do you remember the Dortmund away game last year when AW was banned from the touchline? Do you remember his interview afterwards? He said he enjoyed it because he got a totally different view of the game. I once used an analogy that the best players in the world play the game like they're watching it from above, and I said the best managers do the same. After that Dortmund game I said how worrying I found it that that more aerial view was such a vast improvement for Wenger - for the simple reason that Wenger should be good enough to see the problems from ground level and if he isn't then we're in trouble. Queue one year and has anything changed? No. Swap Nasri/B52 for Ramsey and that is just one example.

Moving on, I read a blog the other day written in September last year. It was written by a man who had a chance to meet with Wenger for several hours. During this time, Wenger basically explained in great detail why he made the decisions he did, and in doing so vastly built on the usual tripe we fans get told. One example: regarding Diaby - Wenger says to the fans 'we have Diaby coming back from injury' - that's the extent of what he gives us. He said far more to this guy - that he loved Diaby as a person etc and he felt the risk was worth taking because of how good Diaby is, and he felt he couldn't make Diaby feel under pressure by signing another player etc etc and that even if he had, he wouldn't have sold Diaby, he would have wanted him to get his treatment and rehab through the club.

Taking a step back, the biggest point to this post is that, actually, I think my views might be changing a little bit. In the past, I have argued that the reason Wenger is paid so much is to cover for the board. I look at the 'pain' (do I believe it to be genuine any more?) from selling Fabregas, and the comment of 'how can we say we are ambitious when we sell our best player?' and my suggestion seems to make sense. I look at his pay packet and think well he's not being paid for success - he's being paid to take the hits.

I still think there could be some sense in this.

But all the reading and watching I've done, and considering my point about Robson publicly putting his rep on the line, and it's making think again.

I'm starting to think hang on - the accounts are there for all to see. The board say the money is there. It is Wenger who comes up with this 'players are either 0-10m or 25-30m' nonsense not the board. Gazidis has said time and time again the money is there. Robson says it's there. MANY are saying it is Wenger in TOTAL control.

I am starting to think along the lines of if Gazidis was partly appointed by His Dictatorship Wenger, then yes he will say the money is there but what he will not do is question how it is used (or not) and this is what we have seen. He will not challenge Wenger on the league table. He will not challenge Wenger who doesn't let Bould work on the defence. He will not challenge his on why some players don't sign. Yes he might have some say in some deals etc but really it is looking more and more like it actually is all Wenger to me.

Our problem with the board is that they are not passionate about football, or players. So the are not doing what Levy does and saying DO NOT SELL THAT PLAYER FOR ANY PRICE. They are not saying WENGER GO AND SPEND THE WHOLE BUDGET ON GOETZE IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES. Because 1) Wenger won't listen, he is never challenged, and 2) they don't know enough.

When you have a manager who talks about money, finances, the difficulties of signing players when other clubs seem to be able to just fine, it starts to feel to me like Wenger isn't covering for anyone except himself.

I am not saying the board are good enough - they aren't. Even though that £150m Emirates deal is amazing for a team so lacking in success! Fair play! But that money will now be treated like Wenger's own.

Some people are rich because they spend, others are rich because they don't spend. We try and cross the two, horribly.

Wenger deals with wages. He signs players on mega deals instead of giving them a season on a basic and seeing if they're worth an improved contract after a year.

I think a penny is dropping. I'm not a big fan of the board by any means but what if I stop reading between the lines for a minute and actually listen to what people are saying - what if actually it is all Wenger, and the reason the board don't hold him accountable is because WENGER is in total control?

I just want to finish by saying sorry this is long on such a dull topic, but moreover - when a manager comes out and says, to the world at large, 'at the end of the season I will review my position' - that tells you all you need to know. Wenger has a board and backroom staff of yes men. He is on total control. This needs to change. I do not support this in any way shape or form and I fail to see how, if this is true, any other fan of the CLUB can.

Metal Gooner

Metal i take all your points on the board especially about reading between the lines, but quiet frankly we dont know what happens and if we were winning on the pitch we wouldnt have these debates, i do believe wenger takes the hit for silent stan and the blame can not be put on the board wenger or the team completley but it is all three of them. and if he has full control we could bring in a manager who is used to just dealing with on the pitch, then we have problems? maybe wenger is given too much to do?

Id like your opinion on the points ive raised metal, and i just believe much simpler you cant afford to sell your best players every summer and think you can compete, imagine man utd losing rooney then vp then vidic then valencia, and not investing that money? we make money every window and its now caught up on us.. just as we were getting our finances in order !! :(


Yorkshire Gooner Joe :D

I read this with interest. It made me think. If Wenger is in total control then answer me this If you were in total control of all the cash available to you would you buy the best players so that you were almost guaranteed a trophy and the glory that goes with it or not?
Chris

I suggest you listen to Phillipe Auclair...

Much closer to the actual workings of the club. Robson has the same xeno-phobic bitterness as Tony Adam. Wenger is at fault for somethings, but it is absolutely the board and an owner who is worse than silent... he is never there!

Stan lives in denver and Arsenal are low down the order of clubs he is concerned about. He is not even a football-fanatic.

Billybob

The guy so far as to mention Eduardo and Wenger's reaction and handling causing us to throw away a title in his nonsense. credibility there? i think not.
Wenger "running the board"? i guess i'll need that lobotomy for that to make sense to me. simple rule of the modern world- money talks. the guy with the big bundles of cash is the guy calling the shots.

plus, if you don't think the media's been keeping the fans busy, you'll need a lobotomy too. sure, Wenger paints over poor performances with talks of belief and perseverance and a leprechaun's pot of gold but that's part of his job. the media does the club no favours by prefixing all their articles after an Arsenal loss with the word 'CRISIS'. you think all the rumours and "exclusive" reports linking us with every player in every league with us and doing the same for our players getting out help the cause?
it's not a conspiracy or a targeted agenda against us. just as the mafia would say, "it's just business".
psychocyst.

Chris - that is what all the fans want to know, but anyone who knows anything about Wenger will know that he personally does not believe it is right to spend lots of money on the best players. So for me he lies to us. It has never been about competing for the best players - he just says it is and then like every year he makes excuses. There are no excuses now. We have £70m available for January and I don't know an arsenal fan out there who does not have a wishlist of 2-3 world class players who we could sign in Jan with that money, whose wages could be afforded by releasing and selling some crap.

Wenger has his philosophies. He has never spent big. Everyone knows his disdain for sugar daddy clubs, he hates it. However, once upon a time he believed in a club earning its right to spend that sort of money. We've done that, but his disdain and stubbornness has imo kind of consumed him and made him jaded - he doesn't even pay going rates.

Let me put it another way right - my mum is quite traditional when it comes to money. She rents a house with a kitchen, big living room, 3 bedrooms and a big dining room and/or office. She pays £550pm and the amount of room she gets for her money is remarkable. Were she in a city, she'd be paying more like twice that minimum. But, ALLLL she does is moan that it's a rip off etc etc 'because £550 is a lot of money' - my answer is always the same 'yes mum, but I keep telling you just because £550 in itself is a lot of money, doesn't mean you don't get what you pay for. You're lucky you are only paying that for what you get, trust me.' Still, next week she'll be moaning again and we go round and round. She needs to get with the times and realise it's what she gets for her money that's important. Wenger needs to understand that yes £15m is a lot of money, but not in footballing terms when you're on about world class players. He needs to update his thought process and get wit the times of modern football. The Pireses and Ljungbergs of today now cost around £20m-£40m and he needs to adjust to that or let someone else in who will, simple as.

And he needs to stop pretending like we can't afford wages. Footballers get paid in increments. Signing a £15m player on £5m wages per year for 3yr contract does not cost the club an initial outlay of £30m yet he speaks to us as though it does! I am fed up with it. It's just another way of dressing up the truth to refuse to spend money he behaves like he earned for himself.

Metal Gooner

Metal totally agree with the statement that Wenger doesn't beleive in spending, it is blantantly a constraint.

This is the same manager that spent 15mln on a punt for a young promising player: Reyes.

He had said publically that we would love hazard or neymar if he could afford them.

ACCEPT that we can't play 25mln per player. Even if we do it now, that will not be the norm.

Regarding the board, please give me one example of a board that has EVER said the following:

1. We are broke
2. We have mismanaged the financials of the firm
3. We underestimated the break-even point of our stadium.

Come on; Wenger has been the punching bag.

Billybob

Metal Gooner your mum is the one with sense she pays less and gets more for it. Ok paying out always stings but long term it is the right decision. Something is only worth what someone else is prepared to pay for it.
How much is Andy Carroll worth now ?
Chris

13 Dec 2012 14:08:17
I love it, we have £50m to spend, which buys about 2 top notch players & no doubt that will include what we receive in. So Walcott £8m, Djourou £4m, Arshavin £3m, Chamakh £4m = £19m, so a net spend of £31m.

WE have enormous reserves of cash. We need to buy: reina £8m, Fellaini £30m, Baines £17m, M'Vila £15m, Zaha £10m & Huntelaar £8m = £88m, less 31m = £57m

M'vila is crocked with a serous injury we dont want him, capoune would be far better imo

Neither M'Vila or Capoue are proven players as far as prem goes. They wouldn't give us the instant impact that everyone is after...

Billybob

Your money thing is wrong fellani is cheaper, reina is like 4-5 mill and zaha is about 13m

secret rider

13 Dec 2012 14:01:52
Before you read, not trying to have a go or cause offence just my opinion...

Just seen Ivans apology on SS....its one of the most disrespectful public media presentations i have ever seen. How disrespectful to Bradford City FC, i think everyone is forgetting their efforts in the game, yes arsenal played poor but Bradford turned up to win the game and not roll over for the Mighty Gunners.

The F.A Cup has lost its magic over recent years of giving little teams a chance of a cup run for their loyal fans and there has always been upsets in the cups history, thats what football is, sometimes you win and some you lose. I understand that the apology was aimed at the fans that travelled which is fair enough but if the shoe was on the other foot and it had been at the emirates and arsenal thrashed bradford would the chairman of bradford make a public apology for the performance? Probably not.

As for some people saying Arsenal arent at the top because they dont have a billionaire backing is complete tosh. Arsene Wenger is tactically deluded and does not have a clue, prime example is close neighbors Spurs... they dont have foreign billionaire owners but have a strong team with depth and are more often than not tactically well prepared for most games....

If i was an arsenal fan (which im clearly not) i would take this Ivan lads apology as an insult, stop apologizing and make your players train harder, be tactically more aware and passionate about playing for the shirt rather than a business. {Ed001's Note - Spurs do have billionaire owners actually.}

13 Dec 2012 13:20:48
I rate ben arfa highly and think he would be an amazing player for us, hes got pace and an excellent left foot.

Surely he would be available for around 12-15m? Sell gervinho for 6m and its a good deal.

What club would want the great forehead? What foolish manager would plunge on the headband man? What chairman would sanction his astronomical wages? Oh I forgot, we did.

13 Dec 2012 12:49:55
I am feeling the pain as most of you guys, the pain of watching us sit in 7th , the pain of seeing RVP at the top of the table, the pain of seeing fabregas atleast having fun at Barca.

We do need a new manager. Simple, every great leader one day falls, its wengers turn now.

We do need to spend but it doesn't have to be 100 or 200m as some have claimed and wished.

January:

Yann Mvila-so what we need a bad boy, tackling midfielder- £12m
Willian-flair,pace,trickery-£19m
Damiao/Adrian Lopez-£15m
Reina-£5mill

Total = £51million and this will definitely improve our squad

Sell:
Squallichi- free
Arshavin(i still think he is class)- 3mill
Schmuck-2mill


Jay

I have been thinking about this and M'Vila is actually a pretty big gamble...

We need a DM that can come in and make an instant impact; in this sense Diame is not a bad shout.

Willan costs 30mln

13 dec 2012 12:37:21
the only wage bill we are the highest payers in is the ""managers position.

alex ferguson is paid less than any of his star players.

pep was paid less than any of the star players he coached at barcelona.

can none of you see there is something wrong with this?

this is why we never had any intention to keep rvp.

as i said before 1 man runs the club and it suits all involved.

the board will release huge funds for a new manager.

wenger does not spend "full stop"!!!

champagne charlie

You do know Fergie gets paid more than Wenger right!

D-Dot

Isn't Mancini the highest paid manager in the premier league? pretty sure remember reading something about his last extension bringing him to the top of the pile.

psychocyst.

Bizarrely, Moyes is one of if not the best paid.

AJH

Quite simple really, wenger is to blame for all of this not the board, for instance wenger picks the team he continues to persist in playing ramsey when he has been giving the ball away more or less every pass he makes for the last four games. wenger sorts the defence out he ain't doing that. and as for gerviniho being our striker well that says it all another donkey.also it's not like he has'nt had funds because he has, he spent 50 mill in jan and 40+ in the summer he could of bought 3 top 30mil players with that.problem solved for the first time in my life im worried about playing READING!! ALSO 50 MIL WON'T PULL US OUT OF THIS MESS........

13 Dec 2012 12:01:40
From Stewart Robson....


"In my view it was time up for him three or four years ago. The fans have stuck by him, they always say 'In Arsene We Trust' but I don't think that can be the case anymore. Tactically Arsenal are all over the place, they are underprepared defensively, and he doesn't understand the game well enough. If you have that combination, you will always lose several football games,"

"The board won't do anything because Arsene runs the board. He is a dictator; he was even part of the appointment of Ivan Gazidis. When the manager is appointing the chief executive you have a real problem."


Enough Said!


North Carolina Gooner

Sour grapes from a 3rd class bitter little man.

North carolina gooner i have been saying this for years and i got slagged off.
enough said!!

champagne charlie

Thank god somebody had the balls to stand outside the emirates and speak the truth to a TV live. Thanks mr robson.

I stopped reading at the first line

psychocyst.

This is so true! I don't walk into a business as a sales executive where my job is to accrue leads and then start saying 'I want to choose my boss' -

As I said in a previous post, things at Arsenal are backwards and this is why we're going backwards!

Metal Gooner

Haha, Robson is just bitter coz he was dropped like a sack of potatoes when Graham became manager. What does he know anyway? Never won nothing with us or the other teams he joined.

this is typical media savagery, they are pulling us apart bit by bit. Lets face it, the media hate Arsenal and have done since I can remember.

Arsene ain't going nowhere, he said so himself. The board are backing him all the way on this. I'm starting to think the majority of our fans are as bad as the players that have abandoned us. If you really support the club and want glory then stick by them.

COYG

thethirdcoming

At last a fan who talks some sense
Chris

13 Dec 2012 11:41:09
Grimandi is our main scout in France....Who scouts for Newcastle....look at the players we have brought from france and compered to Pardews.......what do you think guys and girls...km

Last i read up on the subject, scouts - more so now than before - usually work on their own looking at upcoming players and generate reports about them to be sent over to the clubs who hire the scout for his/her services.
one scout may work for more than a single club. and the end of the day, it's up to the club and it's management to make the choice to go ahead with an offer.

psychocyst.

13 Dec 2012 11:04:21
morning edoo2.

i know your busy but when you get a minute could you find out a couple of things for me and give your opinion.

1-is there anything in the PEP rumours even if it was for a move to us in the summer.

2-do you think kroenke and gazidas could be ruthless enough to sack wenger and do you think it could happen

3-from what you know about finances in football do you think the club can afford to spend £150 mill on players is there money at the club.

4-would you expect usmanov to make a move for the club if this season became a disaster

thanks mate

champagne charlie {Ed002's Note - (1) I would doubt that Guardiola has made any sort of statement to Arsenal saying that the manager's job is his first choice - I think you can discount that completely. (2) I do not see AW being sacked but would not be surprised if he were to mutually agree to step aside at some point. I would very much doubt it would be part way through the season. (3) Arsenal are not going to spend £150M on players - but the money could be available from extant cash and secured loans. I don't see it. (4) In theory, anyone, including Usmanov, can make an offer to buy a controlling interest in shares - but it would require Kroenke to sell and I don't see that happening just yet.}

Thanks mate

champagne charlie

13 Dec 2012 10:43:01
£50m in january could either get us 4 Gervinho's or 2 Lavezzi's.
We all know which of the two options Wenger will go for.

£50m in january could get us all the Chamakh's and Bedtners the world has to offers, or it could buy one of Cavani, Falcoa, Goetze, Neymar, Strootman and more quality.

Does it matter how much money we have to spend at any particular window when the guy spendind the money believes in quantity over quality? How many times have we heard in jan that our squad is too big and we have plenty of good players who will have big contributions and so on.

Its a load od rubbish! Its their fault the squad is this large in the first place. These duds who they brought here are the very same duds who are going to bring the end to Wenger and his managerial tenure at Arsenal.

Hate to say it but if I had 50m to spend right now I would offer £40m for RVP and the other 10m on his wages - we need a goalscorer!

Quantity over quality... I think you are confusing us with PSG...

We certainly don't have quantity...

13 Dec 2012 10:34:02
So, Gazidis lured Tim Payton of the Arsenal Supporters Trust to do his dirty work for him. None of these 'quotes' about having money to spend came directly from Gazidis. It strikes me that the board are fed up of getting the flack for Arsene not spending money. They have now put him in a seriously awkward position. Now that us fans know he has money to spend, he has to spend it and we know he hates rush buying. If he refuses to spend, he will be gone before the end of season - fact!
Surely this is Arsene's chance to make one or two really big signings like Falcao or Cavani. Us fans do not want to see 3 or 4 average signings. Our squad has quality but we have lost direction, momentum, whatever you call it. The players need a boost, the fans need a boost and I think Arsene himself needs a tonic, of sorts. A world class player or two will do just that. The last great signing we made, where the fans were truly buzzing, was Dennis Bergkamp. Henry, Vieira etc. weren't world class when we signed them. Please don't shoot me down for this post. I'm not asking that we go out and spend for the sake of it. I just think Arsene should raise his sights a little (Falcao over Huntelaar, Fellaini over Wanayama). We need proven players now, not wannabees. If Arsene fails to show us fans he means business in this transfer window, he should be shown the door. I don't want to hear 'you don't get good value for money in the January transfer window'. I want him to choose his targets carefully and pay the going rate. No skimping and no drawn out talks. Sort it!
I am a 46 year old Gooner who gave up my season ticket this season because I can't afford it, however I am an Arsenal fan above all. We must not live in the past but look to the future. If that doesn't involve AW, so be it. Please stop looking at him as the messiah who will have a second coming - it's not happening unless he listens to new ideas, loses his stubborn streak and gains a ruthless streak. Stop being a selling club and let's start poaching seasoned premiership players from clubs in and around us ie Fellaini, Baines, Bale etc.. Add a touch of 'world class' and we will be great again. Sorry for the long post but it has been building up in me for a while!
MJ Gooner

Falcao or Cavani

I would love these too, but come on. Firstly, there is nothing to suggest the clubs will let these players go in jan.

YOU REALISE that is a bigger stumbling block than the price. Jan windows completely disrupt teams. No one wants to sell.

Equally, given that everyone knows we are axed buyers; they will further raise the price.

These players would cost 50-60mln.

To pay that much is ridiculous.

Absolutely spot on post apart from the fact bit...as it isn't.

Other than that I agree with everything here - I have said countless times big clubs with money MAKE players available by making decent offers because that player is what the club needs. It's as simple as that.

How on earth we can haggle over a few bob for Samba when he dragged Blackburn through most of their games and is possibly the most dominant player currently alive - he clearly wanted a top 4 move or anew project and the prem is worse off without players like that. What a beast, what a missed chance.

Why do Arsenal 'respect' other prem teams so much? Who was the last player we signed from a prem team? Arteta - aged 29/30 and out of favour at Everton to a slight extent i.e. displaced by Osman.

In the summer we should be signing at least half of the players we need from the prem.

If this means signing Enrique for £15m then do it. Diame for £15m do it - and don't tell me he isn't good enough he is a fantastic player.

Who would you rather have on the bench - Sigurdsson or Ramsey? This is what the club needs to address.

Frei or Arshavin?

Sterling?

World class striker - look at Germany, they have more talent than they know what to do with - as do Spain and Italy. I'm not talking their £12m-rated strikers, I'm talking piking the world's best and paying whatever it takes.

When did we last parade a big signing?

Metal Gooner

Metal Gooner
The only reason I stated 'fact' was that I believe that the board are actually starting to sense the unrest amongst the fans (hence letting the money situation slip to the AST). Perhaps this is a warning shot to Arsene. If he doesn't spend and our poor form continues they will, frankly, be left with no choice. The board so obviously reek of cowardice that they can't even tell Wenger to his face that he must improve the teams fortunes. As for Falcao/Cavani, I know this is wishful thinking but you never know. Who would have thought that Zenit would have let go of Arshavin in that January transfer window? My point is, if we don't dangle the carrot, they ain't gonna bite! We must start showing some intent and buying players who are going to make a difference. Wenger himself said that buying a player in January gives them time to settle and allows them a full pre-season with us before the start of the following season - makes sense.

13 Dec 2012 09:54:50
So it appears my suspicions from a couple of years or so ago may yet happen with sources claiming Pep Guardiola's preferred choice in the Premier League is Arsenal.
To me it makes complete sense, with the close relationship with Wenger and Arsenal in the past. I mentioned my thoughts on this again in August last year on this site. That was before Pep left Barca.
I have a feeling in my bones that Wenger is building that war chest for Pep's arrival. He is taking the flack so as not to let the cat out of the bag.
The Big signing Gazidas talks of could be a manager and not a player after all.

Kermit79

Kermit you did say that i remember.

do you think pep would be able to attract more quality players than wenger wants to or can do?

im wondering could pep attract a couple of players from spain.if you took messi or ronaldo out of the equation there is still at least 20+ world class players in spain that could be looking for a new challenge.

1 thing about the club is they will all ways give the manager a chance rather than just sack him after 1 season.

bruce rioch was all ways going to be 1 season,wenger was not leaving until his contract ended in japan and he was all ways deins 1st choice.

not saying its true but pep seems to be an arsenal man.

thoughts please

champagne charlie

13 Dec 2012 09:51:22
In my opinion arsenal need to do a fair few things to bring the standard and the class of winning football back to the emirates.

1) It is my personal belief that arsenal let the unbeatables desolve way to quickly. We have now managed to achieve from going from a unbeatble side, to get getting beaten by bradford.. There are not many ways one could fix this, but in my opinion, bringing back certain figures from our victorious days to the staffing would be a move in the right direction! Henry (player/coach) bergkamp, adams, viera, keown, wright. And let them have a good say in the game!

2) Who do we buy? I honestly believe world football has got to a point where the class of footballers has created a divide, rubbish and amazing, I think we should sign .. Huntalarr, sissoko, baines, henry and a couple of better standard squad players. And I think denilson, although unlikly should get another shot at the DM postion.

3) Who should leave? Simple. Diaby, arshavin, chamkh, ramsey, santos, park, squid, djouror, flapihanski and a few other rubbish squad players

4) For god sake, but gervinho back on the wing or just sell him too!

5) Wenger out, or wenger to stay? As much as the man deservers a bronze statue outside the emirates, I feel wenger lacks the meaning of modern day football, its kinda like your grandad trying to be trendy by getting and having an iphone.. It doesn't work. I think he should go up to the board and express on a more influencial level the ways in which the club should financially go forward, and actually make use of the economics degree he has!

6) Well who comes in? I think pep has a good shout, he understands passion, he understands the arsenal way, and plus he understands the barca winning way, with any luck messi might miss him and want to join forces again (JOKE). But in all seriousness I think he's the right man for the job. My second choice would be either moyes, simply because I have respect for him. And redknapp, although he will forever have the smell of what comes out of a dogs bum on him from his stint with spurs, we all forgave sol campbell didn't we? :)

Bromley gooner, out.

13 Dec 2012 08:37:12
a defeat at reading is a reality,gervinio should of played his last game for THE ARSENAL,the pasion jack has for our club,is what we need...pay theo the £££ and put him up top what harm can it do...been an ARSENAL fan for over 30 years my dad used to take me when terry o'neil and don howe was in charge,yes ive been spoilt with beautiful football by wenger....but ive never been so embarrassed as this current spell!! wenger take a bow and f**k off !!

13 Dec 2012 06:54:59
Hi all. Liverpool fan here. Just a word of warning for you all. Rafa Benitez was sacked at Liverpool after 1 bad season. After his dismissal we spiralled out of control and down the league.

We are still recovering and will be for several years to come. I see a lot of simalrities in us then and Arsenal now.

Just be careful what you wish for.

Cabbie man

Thanks scouser, however Benitez was never as stubborn as AW has become - he will not change things, he refuses to listen to anyone and nobody is above him. We are not even sure who could sack him?

To be fair we have been terrible since the eduardo season, i still want wenger to stay, however i want him to buy 2 world class players, cavani and a world class DM

See guys for all the talent n big names WE have got.

what wenger has made of it is a counter attacking team. yes arsenal's counter attack is one of the best n real threatening but you cant do only that whole 90 mins. this is the mother of all our problem becouse no matter you play 11 messis there is going to be a special moment when , we get cought on the counter attack n with a defense as ours,without a defensive midfielder we concede

other issues
1. there is no team leader eg. viera type
2. no defensive player, a guy who destroys opponents attack or atlest tries to.
2. a player who can turn it around .

these all problems are generated wengers wrong decisions so FORGET THAT HE WILL CORRECT THEM.

sam

13 Dec 2012 05:17:02
So I saw on BBC news that the Arsenal Supporters' Trust (100 loyal fans) met with Ivan Gazidis and were told that Arsene Wenger had 'considerable resources' going into the January transfer window.

This either means the board are lying to the fans' faces OR Wenger is just too stubborn and refuses to spend.

If the latter is the case then no less that this will show me that Wenger is worth another few seasons at the club:

In:
Falcao/Huntellar/Cavani - We need a 2nd out and out striker who is also a prolific goalscorer. We need to work into a 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1

Muniain/James Rodrigues/Mounier/Ayew/Perisic - We need a proper left sided player! One who can come one and feed the ball into the box if the ground game isn't working. Not a right footed left winger! As good as the Ox can be and the potential he shows, he WILL get his chance on the right or down the middle. (prefereably Mounier because he CAN cross)

M'Villa/Capoue/Sven Bender - Most of the goals conceded have been because we have 3 attacking midfielders and we leave a massive gap in midfield. Per has been immense this season, Vermaelen has surprised with his poor form but Koscielny has still been a beast most of the games he has played but as good a box to box player Arteta is, there will always be a gap and we will always be vulnerable until we get a proper ball winning midfielder who can protect the back 4.

Howedes/Sakho/Lovren/M'Biwa - We still need one more back up CB. We have Koscielny (though with Vermaelen's current form......) but Djourou and Squillaci don't even look like they know which goal they're defending and will alwys be a liability should two of our best 3 CBs get injured.

Walcott signs a new deal - He's really hit form this season and i think he knows this is his last chance to REALLY shine. If we keep him and he stays fit he could be key for us this season.

Out:

Gervinho - Worst buy ever...... of all time!

Arshavin - Was good but too old and past it.

Djourou - PLEASE!!

Squillaci - As above

Chamakh - Great potential when he came but was never going to get a chance with RVP fit, i like him but he's lost it. Wouldn't be fair on him to keep him.

So my ideal (yet highly unlikely) starting XI after January.

GK. Shezza
RB. Sagna CB. Mertesacker (c) CB. Koscielny LB. Gibbs
LM. Walcott CM. Wilshere. CM. Capoue LM. Cazorla
ST. Falcao ST. Giroud

Subs. Mannone, Jenko, Vermaelen (pending form), The Ox/Mounier, Arteta, Ramsey, Podolski

Now THAT is a squad! And if players are in form we could see some REAL selection headaches. But the 4-3-3 is NOT working and we need to buy to make a 4-4-2 work for the squad and the team on the pitch. If all this were to happen I'd probably sell all my guitars in sheer joy and disbelief.

One way or the other this January is Wenger's VERY last chance to prove he can still do the job and use that amazing brain of his to get us back on top. EVERY Gooner will know after January whether Le Proffeseur is up to the job or not.

Let's hope all us Wenger disbelievers are all wrong.

I'm still dreaming and hoping, and negativity only begets more negativity so come on gooners, chances are slim but please keep the hopes alive. And if those hopes and promises are shat on again. I call this the last straw and its time for the fans to put matters into their own hands.

Until then, try to stay positive, it will count for something.

Come on Arsene! Pull another one of your ridiculous French miracles out of your wrinkly arse!

Feel very positive (might be the booze on student night but its still worth something)

JG

13 Dec 2012 03:40:29
At present Arsenal have 2 very good players out on loan because we cant get work permits for them...
Joel Campbell (Real Betis)
Wellington Silva (SD Ponferradina)
Both brazilian players signed for us in 2011.
Why did we never have this problem with Edu, Gilberto and Denilson... Mr Arsenal Davd Dein thats why. He had lots of power and contacts in the footballing world and gave his manager the full support he needed.
when wenger wanted a player he got him, Wright, Bergkamp,Overmars, Petit, Vieira, Ljungberg, Pires, Fàbregas, van Persie and Walcott... the list goes on.
He was bullied out of the club and sold his 9,072 shares to big Ali for £75million when he was fired by the persons on the board. Do you think we would have sold are cream of the crop if Dein was still there, hell no!
The only way we will get our ARSENAL back (dont like this phrase but when needs must) is if silent Stan sells his shares to Usmanov and Red and White Holdings, he gets the seat on the board he deserves, Dein is reinstated as this time as Chairman not Vice-Chairman sack Ivan Gazidis (i am free for Vice-Chairman post if Mr Usmanov is a reader) employ Wenger as director of finance if he want some respite from management and the jobs almost done, Usmanov has said he would give the manager a war chest of £250 million so we just need to find a young manager and give him and the team time to grow!

I think Dennis Bergkamp would fill this void because of his amazing footballing brain, vision and love for the arsenal!do you agree or have anyone else in mind?

Peace
Suffolk R&W

Wright & Bergkamp, were at the club before Wenger..but Dein was instrumental in getting them

Joel Campbell is in fact from Costa Rica, and I'm pretty sure the reason they've had to go out on loan to gain their visas was because they haven't played enough international games in the last couple of years.

Conor {Ed001's Note - I thought it was because they weren't ranked highly enough?}

Yes Wright was signed by Graham, but even though Wenger was not our manager when Bergkamp was signed Dein was trying to get him under instruction from Wenger because Dein wanted him to replace Rioch as manager.
Thank you for pointing out my huge mistake Conor... Can any 1 tell me how many senior international games Denilson has played to date? I can, 1 as unused sub for a friendly against Switzerland replacing injured Gilberto!! And in 2001 when Edu signed he had not played a senior game for Brazil but Gilberto had 14 senior caps pre arsenal so I don't think it would be that reason!
Ed 101 may have a better point but I have 4 words for you, Chamakh, Gerviniho, Park and Bendtner!!
The point of my rant was that Dein supported the managers, had his influential clout around the world of football and he also has a loves for The Arsenal as much as you and I!!
And it is the fault off the present board for the lack of form and talent we have in the team at the mo.¦ as if Dein was still in employment we would have tied down Mata and hazard, kept RVP and Song and replace the king with a world class striker!
Suffolk R&W {Ed001's Note - Bergkamp was absolutely nothing to do with Wenger.}

13 Dec 2012 03:27:46
stewart robson fantastic interview on sky
finally the lid has been lifted.

bottom line wenger!!, lots of great fans pay top dollor for success not for making arsenal profit

will be watching to see if bould speaks to wenger now. no wonder wenger was angry at press stories, that he told bould to give the team a dressing down... he does even speak to him

AFC are a joke, but it is now clear that wenger and not the board have caused this.

in wenger i do not trust now...

13 Dec 2012 01:11:58
Wenger thinks he is spending his own money..
He thinks he is the club..
Every time he spends big.. Wiltord,Arshavin,Reyes... he has missed the mark..
We play like a slow passing team with no con fiction.
We defend like fairys..
Zonal marking has no responsibility. ask Adams,Keown,Dixon,Winterburn,Bould,Seaman..
Wenger has never bought a good defender..! 'Fact'..!
even Vermailen & Mertasaker have no desire..!
Desire, that what's make you..!
Desire to win, Desire not to to lose..!
Ask Fergie,ask Chelski when they won the Champions League..
Arsenal football club have no desire to win..!
The fans passion keeps the coffers full..
AFC..'brand'..Fans..'Money'..
profit with no football love..
We are a club with all heart, all love, all history and an empty bottomless, shareholder soul...
We will be bled dry before we have a voice..
Silently Stanned...
(check out his other sporting franchises..all mid table cash cows)...

Koschielny is one of better defenders in the world

Kos? One of the better defenders?

He can't even make the Arsenal team, and we're awful

Paul

Lauren was quality. What we could do for a right back like him right now

Sol Campbell on a free. That was a good day. Flybo

Your drunk.....he really isn't one of the best in the world is he? your getting giddy because its xmas.

1404

If you can't see the talent that Koschielny has then I wonder who is posting on here.
You all think you know so much but do you ever watch a full game or are you too busy posting on here ....
Chris

13 Dec 2012 00:17:33
id like to officially appoloijise to RVP,Henry,Fabregas,and all the rest of the Arsenal players who have left our club(apart from Cashley cole and Judas Nasri).They had insight to know where our club is heading,And i can not belive that the board will let this carry on,for much longer,Companies will only associate themselves with winners and Arsenal have proved thay are not,Wenger once coverted !st place,Alas now he will settle for 4th,Well Wenger you will not get it this year,You continually sell our best players to rival clubs,you buy crap players in gervinhio,squillachi,give long contracts to rubbish players in Ramsey,Djourou,make good players Crap in Arsarvin,Chamack,while picking up £6 million a year,I personally think while the board have an awfull lot to answer for,Wenger must take 90% of the blame,and what i hate about him at the moment,he treats us supporters as mugs,Go wenger,GO,and bring in Moyes, END OF

David Moyes? Won nothing in 11 years. Qualified for Europe 3 times and flopped everytime.

Spent no money? Yakubu £11m Andy Johnson £9m, Felani £16m, Billyelekinov £15m etc etc

He signs and loans 7 or 8 unknown players a season and over 11 years probably found 5 or 6 really good ones 10-14 Everton standard players.

Please explain how that's any better than wenger?

Cabbie man

Im not an arsenal fan but i was looking at the players sold on sly sports earlier wow if you could have kept half of them you would have been pushing for the league i dont think its so bad for you guys god the basis of of a good team if you could add 3 20 mill plus players i think you would fly up the table i think as sarting 11s go if every 1 is playing on top of there game only the manchester clubs has better starting 11 3 quality buys would you see you rocket up the table problem is is it worth paying over the odds in january or saving it until the summer and trusting wenger to spend that money amy way i thought id pop a post in
riley john

Officially? What are you saying sorry for? Are you saying sorry to cry baby Fabregas (I miss my mummy) for jumping ship? Flamini for leaving for an extra 5 grand? RVP for chasing more money? I could go on. All the players you have listed and have not listed with the exception of Henry, left because they either wanted more money or to jump on to a winning band wagon or both in the case of some. Henry actually done the decent thing and signed a long contract thus allowing the club to earn more from his sale, he left coz he had already proved to everyone that he was a winner. The plight of Arsenal is more down to the club being let down by so many players in such a short space of time. The plan was always to keep the group of players together long enough for them to grow together to win together. They were all bought at a young age and taught to play football together, but they all lacked decency and a true willingness to fight through all obstacles. Now everyone is on Arsenes back. It is quite obvious from looking at the financial reports over the past seven years and is clear to see that the only thing keeping the club in profit is player sales. This does not however mean that the clubs business model is to sell players, it simply shows that they trusted Wenger and the young talented players to see them through the transition period. You are all deluded if you think the players did not know what the future plans were when they renewed contracts or signed for the club. They all knew from a young age what they were there to do. They have let you down. So don't be sorry, coz if they gave a t#ss about you they would still be at the club.

E9

The Reason i say David Moyes is ....Arsene Wenger time is coming to an end,maybe sooner than you think,Wenger has lost it,and has for about 5/6 seasons,if we lose to reading,there will be many thousands more wanting Wenger out.WHEN that happens ,the man i want to take over is David Moyes,yeah hes won nothing in 11 years, Wenger hasn't in 7,and Wenger has had £70+ million more,so on budgets D Moyes does way better than Wenger,Spots better talent,baines,fellani,Jelavic,Jagielka,etc,on hes Practically nowt budget,Wenger spent Millions on Talent ,that plays for other clubs,not many play for ours,yeah he got henry, vieira,petit, but who has he bought in the last 5/6 seasons that been any good,don`t give me ox,walcott,Ramsey,mate ones crap,ones soon to go and ox he still needs time,wenger gets good players and turns them into crap ones arsharvin, stands out ,Moyes does superb on a practically nothing budget,Wenger does nothing on a much bigger budget,I think Moyes would bring in New life,fresh ideas,will get the best of the coaches at hes disposal,not waste them,And think what he`d do with Arsenal,i for one think he`d be what we needed and wanted.
And as for being apologetic to certain players,If them players were shown certain ambition then they would have signed,Players want trophy`s ,they don`t think getting 4th place is a medal,and don`t criticize them for wanting more money,when you or I would do the same thing, and if that was the case Arsenal would still have RVP,Fabregas,Cole,Nasri,and more, we would be dominating football,like we should of been this season,IF Wenger would have bought a Defensive midfielder,a LB, a striker of some quality than Poldolski and Giroud,I think they will come good,if Wenger plays them in their chosen position,lbut new players take time to blood down,He insist on putting ramsey out right,plays Arteta in DM,im surprised he does try shez up front,Doesnt buy A Defensive Midfield,which we badly need,keeps faith in 2 games and out Diaby, IF the the Wenger of Old Returns,Keep him,IF not,then i say David Moyes,AndyS

12 Dec 2012 23:55:30
its funny how we loan Park out to Celta Vigo and hes on the winning team against Real Madrid whilst we lose to Bradford. He must be feeling good.