Arsenal Banter Archive September 13 2015

 

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13 Sep 2015 23:12:46
I know people on here love Ozil (except me and Steve), but would anybody on here play him instead of Bergkamp?

Ps, I do rate him very highly btw.

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13 Sep 2015 23:37:54
Thats really unfair on ozil dags. Bergy for me is the god of all number 10 for arsenal. No contest.

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14 Sep 2015 00:45:02
Bergkamp hands down for me our best ever player

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14 Sep 2015 07:50:56
of course not dags, that's insane

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14 Sep 2015 08:01:34
I love Ozil I just don't think he fits the EPL, put it this way if Ozil had elbowed A player in the face he'd be out for 2 months with a fractured elbow

Sir Dennis of Highbury every time

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14 Sep 2015 08:05:27
dags no one on earth pics ozil over berg

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14 Sep 2015 08:16:00
Ozil is just ridiculously good and if he added 10-15 goals a season to his game then maybe we'd have a debate... But as it is, Bergkamp trumps him without question

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14 Sep 2015 09:06:42
That's absolute rubbish Derby. I'm sure ozil's mum thinks he's better than bergkamp

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14 Sep 2015 10:49:56
Its just ridiculous comparison, seriously get over it. He is the closest you will get to a Bergkamp in modern day football

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14 Sep 2015 12:15:51
The slating that Ozil is getting for me is truly ridiculous, when staring for Germany or Real Madrid, was he scoring countless goals or was he some kind of lean mean tackling machine.

No he was not, he was doing what he does best, creating and assisting, the current most creative player in the league who no doubt would have the most assists if some of our others players, ala Walcott, Sanchez and Giroud were not so wasteful in front of goal.

How 1404, you come to the conclusion he is not suited to the EPL when clearly he is doing exactly what he was brought to do is somewhat beyond me.

He did not develop his playing style since arriving on these shores, it has always been his playing style. You do not buy a Ferrari to go off roading. You do not buy some netting to go parachuting. You buy the item you want to do the exact thing you need.

Yes I think it would be great if all our attacking mids scored 10-15 goals a season as Ramsey did 2 years ago but none of them are.

If you take just through ball to Walcott for his goal against Stoke, that pass has been on for him on numerous occasions but only for him to look up and see Giroud on the shoulder of the last man.

If our forwards were smashing the chances created by Ozil and Cazorla nobody would care that Ozil doesn't run around like the lean mean tackling machine that is Francis Coquelin. The guy is absolute quality and remains World Class it's the simple fact that a World Class striker is not finishing what Ozil starts.

Bergkamp had Henry. Get Ozil an Aguero and see what happens. I think given a consistent run together Ozil and Walcott have every chance of being immense. Walcott has scored 11 in his last 11 EPL starts. He needs a long run of games.

Ozil is our creator, there are none currently better in the EPL at doing exactly that.

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14 Sep 2015 12:58:23
I agree with most, Bergkamp has no equals where Arsenal are concerned.
I do believe Ozil is getting up to pace now and does some majestic things.
He has stats that show he covers as much ground or more than anyone else, but saying that on Saturday, he look absolutley knockered before he was taken off

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14 Sep 2015 13:03:37
I would pick Ozil over Bergkamp if he team had to travel by plane!
Love both players but DB10 was super special and not sure how many players I wuld swop him for full stop.
Ozil s still fantastic though and a master at what he does = create chances

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14 Sep 2015 14:16:28
Like what you did there. Told you ozil's mum loves him

Made me chuckle

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14 Sep 2015 15:35:58
I don't really like these type of comparisons as they were in different teams and situations. But I'm always amazed at the perceived laziness of Ozil by our fans. Until any of us has played at that level of football and therefore understands what it takes in terms of technique and ability , we can never appreciate how good a player actually is on the pitch. Yes Ozil looks as if he he puts in minimum effort but I put that down to his style , a graceful, technical style . A Quiet but effective team player who is happy for others to take the limelight. Just my opinion, and no I haven't played anywhere near that level!

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13 Sep 2015 23:07:24
Can't believe somebody posted on here today "Adebayor anybody?"

Not even if he paid us £100,000 per week.

If football was a pair of pants, he would be the skidmarks.

Mercenary.

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14 Sep 2015 00:45:31
Have him until Jan lol

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{Ed001's Note - you can't have him until January as he was not released until after the last window shut.}

14 Sep 2015 08:04:55
in jan on a deal til june yes. short term deals he's great. if he does well another year deal.

with him low wage, high win, goal bonus.

he could of been one hell of a player, shame really.

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14 Sep 2015 14:28:12
Sometimes when I read this posts I really do wonder. Adebyeor?The guy who ran the length of the pitch at his new club to rub our noses in it?

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14 Sep 2015 15:46:31
if its him or no one id take him. destined for villa though and will do well. on his day better than giroud

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14 Sep 2015 17:34:57
These are absolutely unforgivable words derby.

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14 Sep 2015 19:41:26
Haha ubi he was the excellent for us. Scored some mad goals. If every1 called my mum a whore I may celebrate like that too lol. No I'd just laugh it off. But he was good for us no denying it.

Real Madrid did well. City too and at spurs started like a train

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13 Sep 2015 22:34:43
Just on a lighter note. What about the tinkerman, he's stopped tinkering. Good luck to them.

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13 Sep 2015 22:51:12
Seemed like an odd choice at first.

But, the guy has managed some of the biggest clubs in the world, Chelsea, Inter Milan, juventus, Roma, Napoli and Monaco.

Decent manager to be fair.

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13 Sep 2015 23:39:21
Hes a character dags and a nice bloke. Rare in todays game.

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13 Sep 2015 22:16:27
Just like to put a slant on the current ozil debate. For some for the 42 million we wanted a someone who consistently threatens like silva. But I believe the assists that ozil does do only ozil could do that. As when people refer to strikers who can score out of no where I believe ozil can assist out of no where. He's top class imo

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13 Sep 2015 22:32:40
Lets hope you are right and he can add 15 goals to go with his world class passing and then there will be no disagreement then.

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13 Sep 2015 22:51:29
Mesut is a class player he's not called the king of assists for nothing.
Gardiola praises him mourinho names him in his best 11 and he plays game in game out for the world champions.
No we haven't seen the very best of Mesut Ozil consistently at Arsenal but I believe we will

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13 Sep 2015 22:55:36
Have said it before, and will say it again.

Ronaldo World Class.
Messi World Class.
Ribery World Class.
Robben World Class.
Neuer World Class.

Ozil very very good player.

Example, do Barca miss Messi when injured?
Madrid miss Ronaldo when injured?
Yes, to both.

Do we miss Ozil?

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13 Sep 2015 23:04:24
Dortmund's mkhitariyan impresses me guys. He's in for a super season I think.

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13 Sep 2015 23:39:22
Yeah guys he most certainly is not a threat game in game out. And is it the end of the world when he doesn't play no it isn't! Do I want him at arsenal ... Yes I do! Just think he can make the difference. Going over old ground again but if he had a CF to play with that has fantastic movement it would be dream land. I like ozil but e has no way been as good as he has been anywhere else .

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14 Sep 2015 07:52:24
Sometimes ozil is too good for some of our other players...

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14 Sep 2015 08:07:56
he peaked at 23-24 browgun.

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14 Sep 2015 08:34:28
I know it sounds daft but he sometimes plays great balls into channels and no one is there

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14 Sep 2015 10:09:01
balls. channels and no one there. standard friday night for some

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14 Sep 2015 12:23:50
i think the phrase "Class is permanent, form is temporary" sums up ozil perfectly for his time at arsenal.. there can be no doubt that this guy is world class whith what he has done in his career and the managers who have lavished praise on him, even ronaldo praise what this guy does, he was the top assister in European football for 3 seasons in a row ( or something like that ) and even though he has not hit those heights for various reasons -
-not adapting quick enough
-no full pre season
-world cup hangover
-striker to finish the chances

it can not be a coincidence that since he has joined 2 seasons ago we have won 2 trophies, yes sanchez has changed the work ethic for a lot of our players and made it so no one can afford to stroll around the pitch Ozil included ( he has hugely improved on this IMO) I feel he has made a big difference to our team, he should be one of thre first names on the team sheet when fit, he has never been a player who runs past 3/4 player like silva, he has never scored 15 goals in a season, they are not the reasons we brought him so to start saying he needs to do this to prove himself seems silly to me, he is there to link up play, create chances which he does plenty of, i get that because of his cost people are always going to expect the exceptional from him every week and consistency is what he seriously lacking.

great game at the weekend and the boys did good, but we did see just how wastfull they can be and for a player that needs someone to finish off the chances for him to get credit its a shame we don't have that striker up top.

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13 Sep 2015 20:19:58
My biggest worry about the Chelsea game is our players don't respect them enough and naively set about them sensing a wounded animal, we must learn from the Monaco and west Ham games and approach this one 100% right.

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13 Sep 2015 21:25:25
I think going all gung-ho will be a massive mistake.

Team selection must be right.

I would 100% drop Rambo and play Ox right wing because Ivanovic is having a mare this season. Ox will have the beating of him.

Or rest Cazorla and play Rambo alongside Coquelin, with Sanchez on left and Ox on right and Ozil playing just behind Olly/Wally.

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13 Sep 2015 21:33:28
Scrub that, Sanchez will come up against Ivanovich, but would still play Ox on the right instead of Rambo.

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13 Sep 2015 22:04:08
I agree dags but ox instead of Rambo on the right is increasing the gung-ho stakes imo. But I would have ox out wide all day long

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13 Sep 2015 22:57:50
You make a fair point Browgun.

I did of course mean a less gung-ho Ox, lol.

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13 Sep 2015 22:58:00
For me the mind set is more crucial than the line up spot on in this game.

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13 Sep 2015 20:16:29
Just looking at most clean sheets by a GK in prem and after Stoke cech is now joint top 170 with David james yes I did say David James. So for him to get the record at Stamford bridge would be so fitting considering that's where he got most of his clean sheets. Just for that I'd settle for 0-0 but I seriously think we can beat them. They have conceded 12 already that's 3 short of their total for all of last year COYG

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13 Sep 2015 21:19:40
I'm not saying we can't bear them brow but if mourinho can't get himself and his team up for playing us then he and Chelsea really do have problems.
He won't want Wenger being all smiles after 90 minutes at Stamford bridge, we need to go there expecting to have to be at 100% to get anything out of the game at all, underestimating them could lead to being very embarrasseec by them again.

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13 Sep 2015 22:58:32
Good post Browgun.

Let's hope you are correct mate.

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13 Sep 2015 19:50:43
Just burnt my pizza.

What a disaster :-)

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{Ed025's Note - love it dags.. :)

13 Sep 2015 20:06:52
Isn't it supposed to be like that? 30 years she's got away with that :-(

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13 Sep 2015 20:26:55
Forgot to mention Ed,

Fantastic result yesterday and just as importantly, fantastic performance.

People say Chelsea were poor, but disagree, thought Everton were terrific.

Naismith, on his day, totally unplayable.

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{Ed025's Note - we were good dags..cheers..

13 Sep 2015 18:57:15
We need to stop looking for the clouds in silver linings, yes we all know we need a top goal scorer and most of us realise that in games of few chances our inability to finish clinically may well prove our undoing.
But yesterday was a very good day we played excellent football created loads of chances and both our strikers scored plus we moved into the top 4, let's at least give credit on the good days or what's the point?

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13 Sep 2015 21:30:12
I think this is possibly our best back 4 for years.

Monreal/Gabriel/Koscielny/Bellerin.

We seem to have shut up shop at the back, therefore if we only take a few of our many, many chances, we could still be picking up 3 points on a regular basis.

Back to "1-0 to the Arsenal?"

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{Ed025's Note - no thanks dags..

13 Sep 2015 23:00:36
Just for this season Ed?

Win the league than go back to our usual "always the bridesmaid, never the bride" team?

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{Ed025's Note - nah dags, you have a lot of respect now for the way you play the game, you cant sacrifice that mate..

13 Sep 2015 17:57:34
Down to 4th now....relegation beckons lol

Big big game so early in the season against Chelsea away.

I say that in all seriousness , a win and we have a huge gap of 9 points between us and them.

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13 Sep 2015 18:11:52
Mate if we win at Chelsea then I'm am going to get very very excited, I know Palace did and Swansea should have but for us this would be an absolutely massive result.
I'm still in slight shock from beating city and utd last season and away from home at that but a win at Chelsea for us would alone put me on a high for the rest of this year

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13 Sep 2015 18:16:51
Definitely the biggest game of the season so far. Defeat for either side is a disaster and a draw is not good enough either.

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{Ed025's Note - a disaster is a bit far steve, but not great..

13 Sep 2015 19:05:28
Ed as far as the league is concerned defeat for chelsea would put them potentially 14 points behind citeh. Defeat for us against an out of form, disjointed, nervous chelski would say it all about our ambitions and put us potentially 8 points behind and in the same boat we have been in forc he past few years. Yes a disaster. A draw a big disappointment for both.

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{Ed025's Note - a disaster must have a different meaning to you and i steve..

13 Sep 2015 19:06:20
Good win yesterday expected nothing less. Chelsea game is massive.

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13 Sep 2015 19:14:40
A disaster in footballing terms ed.

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{Ed025's Note - fair enough steve, but a long way to go yet mate even if that "disaster" did happen..

13 Sep 2015 19:32:25
I disagree that a draw would be a big disappointment for us. I would take a point.

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13 Sep 2015 19:29:07
Im expecting a win ed and the disaster to be cheseas, still can't understand what is going wrong there and a massive suprise to see them struggling after the cake walk last season.

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{Ed025's Note - they finished the season poorly steve but were so far ahead that it did not really matter, its a great time to play them mate as everton found out on saturday, sanchez can rip ivanovic a new one and the centre backs look poor so the omens look good..

13 Sep 2015 20:00:03
So would I Ubi, a point at Stamford bridge is a good result by anyones standards and for us a very pleasant sign of improvement.
Anyone who thinks going to Chelsea and getting a draw is a bad result has either a very very short memory or is naïve enough to think last seasons champions have become the premier league whipping boys over night.

Would anyone who thinks mourinho and Chelsea are a completely spent force please give me a call as I've got a 1982 corsa thars been clocked atlest once with 5 careful and 3 quite reckless previous owners for sale at a bargin £8,000 and for another £200 I'll put a years mot on it,

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{Ed025's Note - you cant sell dags,s car G62..he needs it for work mate.. :)

13 Sep 2015 20:19:15
Well mou is under pressure and knowing him he will
Setup for a draw which isn't the worst result for him, but yes i expect us to beat chelsea

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13 Sep 2015 20:25:18
Ubistonk and your opinion on the other two results are?

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13 Sep 2015 21:50:13
Hes never beaten José at the bridge but we expect a win. Going to be tough no doubt. A draw seems likely.

We need Gabriel to mark Costa. Gabriel impresses me no end

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{Ed025's Note - the angel gabriel.. :)

13 Sep 2015 22:06:21
I just want cech to get the record at the bridge

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13 Sep 2015 23:01:53
Lol, thanks Ed.

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13 Sep 2015 14:29:13
Blimey, we win 2 nil and keep a clean sheet. Ozil gets an assist, Theo and Olly score and people are still on their backs.

Sometimes I find fellow Arsenal fans strange creatures. Not happy if we win, or lose.

It could be much worse, we could be playing like Chelsea or Liverpool.

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13 Sep 2015 17:09:25
Totally agree mate.

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13 Sep 2015 18:02:26
I sort of agree but i'm surprised no ones pointed out how disappointing Le Coq was in the 10th and 74th minutes I know its being at little picky as he was again acceptional for 88 minutes but if he has any hopes of not being replaced in January he needs to up his consistency levels

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13 Sep 2015 18:25:37
Totally agree, never satisfied.

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13 Sep 2015 18:26:15
That's exactly the problem, a 2-0 win masks the problems that well suffer with later in the season, we should have scored a hat full yesterday and gone into the next game with bags of confidence and give our opposition something to think about, but we didn't and we don't
Teams don't fear us like they use to, we need to be more ruthless, we need to give teams more to think about when they playing us

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{Ed025's Note - you do realize that you won 2-0 and created lots of great chances dont you 1404?...is that a negative in some way?..get a grip mate..

14 Sep 2015 12:34:42
but ed you must realize that this is the premier league and there are regularly scores of 4/5/6/7/8/9 - 0

keeping a clean sheet against a team that often bully us, both strikers scoring 2 different goals, seeing the team run for the full 90 min, create chances defending as a unit is 100% masking the problems that will come up to bit us later in the season,

i mean can u imagine we we played like we did with the same outcome every week, creating all those chances, exciting the fans, only to score 2 of them and concede none....

i dare not to think about it...

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{Ed025's Note - seems to me breal that arsenal winning 2-0 every week would make you rather sad...and it does make you look rather sad mate..

15 Sep 2015 09:19:54
Ed025 - this was a thinly veiled mock at 1404 and his negativity,

obvs it was to thin and made it look like i felt the same, I would be more that happy if every game was like the one on Saturday, loads of chances, everyone working, everyone running, defending, clean sheet and a couple of goals, what more are people looking for from their team?!

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{Ed025's Note - spotting irony is obviously not my strong point breal.. :)

13 Sep 2015 12:18:16
I don't want to start another debate on ozil because we have done him to death and i want him to be the player for us that he should. But just to quote his stats is very misleading. His passing stats are great, but a lot of his key passes are corners and dead balls, so that's going to pump that stat up. I want to see him head the ball tackle, score goals, run like he means it, track back, show passion, take afew more players on a little bit more and then i might start liking and appreciating him a bit more. Just being the best passer of the ball in the whole of the world (if that's what he is) is not enough for me. I find him very frustrating to watch.

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13 Sep 2015 13:18:53
For me i will always judge ozil on his influence on games. Chances created, goals scored and key passes. he's not a defensive mid, he wasnt signed to make tackles or track back. Otherwise we might aswell sign Dirk Kuyt because he will do the job really well.

He played under for Mourinho for 3 years, if he was that bad in terms of work rate then he wouldve shipped out a long time ago. Just look at Kaka, Mata and De bruyne.

I find Ozil really fustrating sometimes, i always feel there more to come from him. But if you watch his game closely he always does demand the ball and always does try to make things happend. Even during his bad spell in his first season he was still looking for the ball. He does care and does try to make things happend and the Arsenal players do trust him.

He is never going to put an unbelieavble shift it and he is never going to win sky sports over. Looks like fabregas is on thier hit list now and how he doesn't work hard enough and chelsea are suffering because of it. But you have to remember he went from playing with Benzema and Ronaldo to Giroud and Walcott.

For me if Ozil performance should get critizied it should always be for his lack of productivity and not his work rate. Strikers are judged on goal and CAM should be on productivity. Otherwise welbeck is the best CF in the world because he does work his socks off.

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13 Sep 2015 15:49:33
I still don't get it your talking like its his duty to put in a defense shift, he has created more this season for arsenal than been responsible for letting goals in. Blimey why doesn't anybody on here slate sanchez instead?? He has been the biggest culprit of missed chances thus far...

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13 Sep 2015 16:30:16
Plus in simple terms he's one of top play makers in the game. If we put away just half of the chances he makes we would be flying away at the top

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13 Sep 2015 16:37:48
Steve it seems you don't know who Ozil is and how he works. All your wishes will never come true. He is a lazy genius, but a genius all the same. If we had clinical strikers. You would appreciate him more.

We can wish more attributes for our players. I wish Walcot wad taller, I wish Per had more pace, I wish Ramsey was more consistent. ozil creates chances, and I think he does that brilliantly

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13 Sep 2015 17:37:35
Rue what on earth are you saying, you say it as if i'm the only one in the world that says negative things about ozil. i'm not and i'm not the only person who thinks he's not the business. i'm not in the minority, i'm not being awkward or argumentative its what i see and feel about someone who will never be an arsenal legend unless he changes. If he is only a pass master, that is never going to make him an arsenal great. If we only have his passing to rely on, then hecwill always be a target. I think mystyfier asked why don't people pick on sancez. Well because when he isn't scoring he's fighting. When ozil isn't passng he's well not passing, speaks for itself really.

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13 Sep 2015 17:42:59
I want Ozil to keep his energy for pushing forward and creating chAnces

We have Coq to spend his energy defending

Do you want Coq attacking also? May be Cech should try to score more goals :)

Seriously - it's a team game and everyone has their role to play

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13 Sep 2015 18:08:24
No i think Steve wants to sell Ozil and buy Fellani instead. He is a player that run around, wins headers makes tackles and put his elbow in people face.

The reason why Sanchez doesn't get picked on is because he scores goals. Giroud and Welbeck give it they all but they still get critizied. Simply because they don't stick the ball in the net.

Ozil biggest flaw is that he doesn't score enough goals. If he starts scoring 20 goals per season or starts scoring in big matches no one will be talking about his work rate.

He played for Germany in the world cup as a left winger. Played for Mourinho for 3 years. he's work rate is not as bad as people think.

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13 Sep 2015 18:22:25
Steve I feel like you want Ozil to be someone else. He never will, he is ozil, we bought him to create chances and that's what he does.

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13 Sep 2015 18:34:04
Noodles your last two sentences are the most sense you written, trouble is he's not doing it and that's a big problem. His goall scoring record is poor for his ability, he doesn't want the responsibility and that's telling. In the game yesterday he took a fracture of a second too long to pull the trigger, lost the angle because he was thinking of passing instead of shooting and missed, should be more greedy.

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13 Sep 2015 19:10:48
The problem with ozil coming was we didn't need him. Cazorla was fine as a number 10 scored a lot of goals in his first season. A striker or a DM would of been better for us. Suarez was the one.

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{Ed025's Note - every team needs quality players derby, and to say he was not needed is very short sighted mate, and although i think he can be a bit moody at times there is no doubting the guys quality..

13 Sep 2015 19:34:56
I see your point derby, it was great to sign him at the time but ramsey next to coq santi 10 sancez left ox/walcott right and suarez for 10mil more than we offered has a nice balance to it. He was not the essential signing we needed, but he was available.

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13 Sep 2015 20:36:53
Eds on the list of positions we needed to fill. His was way down on the list mate. he's a good player but he's not this worlds best num10 people make out

Cazorla was better versus Stoke in my view the guys class. And with him pushed back I think we miss his shooting from the edge of the box. His first season cazorla was excellent there

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{Ed025's Note - i like santi derby...but if fans were surveyed i think 90% would say ozil is the better player, that does not mean you are wrong though..just blind.. :)

13 Sep 2015 21:53:28
So your calling me a long haired Dutch man who puts balls into the top corner. Lol

Cazorla got double figures playing num10. Btw stones today so good

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{Ed025's Note - love it derby..

13 Sep 2015 21:53:43
Yesterday I mean John stones was epic

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{Ed025's Note - he has the potential to be a great player mate, i just hope its at everton..

13 Sep 2015 22:10:50
It won't be at Everton and we both know that ed. although the thought is nice. The whole ozil debate doesn't draw me in. I'm glad we have him and in hindsight we have two players who can play there I like Ramsey further forward but caz also. But he's here and on his day ozil can do things they can't . Ozil is very ugly though

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13 Sep 2015 23:05:48
I don't think cazorla gets enough credit. His delivery is outstanding. Best two footed player on the planet?

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{Ed025's Note - hes a very decent player derby...get a room mate.. :)

13 Sep 2015 10:59:06
Adeb££or anyone??six months

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{Ed002's Note - The transfer window is closed.}

13 Sep 2015 11:12:58
More chance of seeing Lionel and Tony Blair partnering Louis Spense in a 3 man attack backed up by a weather girls midfield and Dot cotton in goal.

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13 Sep 2015 11:55:57
What sort of a question is that!

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13 Sep 2015 11:57:54
But he's a free transfer so it doesn't matter if the transfer window is shut does it? I'm not saying I want him by the way

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{Ed002's Note - Yes it does, he is not able to sign for a Premier League club until the transfer window is open in January.}

13 Sep 2015 12:27:21
Gunner they actually would be better options and score more goals.

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13 Sep 2015 12:32:15
Lionel and Louie would have quicker feet than Giroud

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13 Sep 2015 12:49:13
Would have thought Louis would prefer playing in the hole behind a big striker! ;)

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13 Sep 2015 13:17:12
I m hearing he has terminated his contract at spurs by mutual consent

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13 Sep 2015 14:20:59
He would have had to have been released before the window closed. If players that got released between windows could join other clubs it would lead to all sorts of back hand dealing behind respective FA's backs thus making a mockery of the transfer window

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13 Sep 2015 09:22:59
Steve in reply to your post below

Ok let me put it another way who elses team performances have been as convincing as ours to end up 2nd? Mind you city struggled today and have had a start against poor or avg teams, until palace. And let me remind you we put in a hell of performance at palace as well. So tell me which other team other than city is outperforming us or in your words convincing you.

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13 Sep 2015 11:46:18
In plain english noone. It is too early to judge for some . Withe exception of city every other team has show deficiencies. Everton have had some great results and some iffy, west ham beat us but have looked, poor, no other team has looked as though they are real title contenders yet. I am not impressed with the standard in the prem and maybe i might or might not be backed up with that when the European games start. We were poor in europe last year and i think we are not much better this. My point is we are looking no better than say man utd, but there are people on herecsaying they are poor, then if that's the case then why are the same people saying we are better than them today. i'm not convinced by anyone including us.

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13 Sep 2015 12:03:20
"Man city struggled today" mmmmmmm what sort of a statement is that. They are 5 points clear unbeaten not let a goal in and you say they struggled today. If we were man city and even id come out with a statement like that about us, you would say WHAT to me.

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13 Sep 2015 13:24:19
Ok i get what your saying, let's see i see no diff in the pl teams in europe. City always struggle, chelsea have the easiest grp, utd will struggle if they play like yest

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13 Sep 2015 04:12:29
10 points from 5 games is decent. They say that if you average 2 points a game, you're going to end up somewhere on the right end of the table, and we've done that after a dismal start and some harsh luck.

Here's hoping we keep this up, keep United on their heels and chase city before they're out of sight.

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13 Sep 2015 07:49:29
"somewhere on the right end of the table", this sounds like 9th to me
not good to me

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13 Sep 2015 09:34:55
Back in the day before 3pts for a win it used to be said win your home games and draw,the always and you'll be champions or close, but the gap between top few and the rest of the league has widend so the pionts to be champions ratio has increased.
4 pionts from every two games 76 pts is usually enough to get top 4 but not much more. But after a terrible opening day result against west Ham we have recovered well and with a little more luck against Liverpool would be on city's heels.
Next week will tell us a lot about what we can achieve IMO, a win at Chelsea and let the dreaming commence :-)

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13 Sep 2015 04:08:46
G62. On my giroud rant from before...

I agree with you, Olly does always give his all for us, and I'll hold my hands up, I don't give him nearly enough credit for that, the guy is a real grafter and at times were lucky to have a striker with that attribute.

I just think with the likes of Rambo, le coq, santi, monreal, the ox, Walcott and bellerin, we have enough players who put a shift in for both attack and defence, it would be a necessary sacrifice to have a slightly more - for want of a better word - lazy central striker, a more Fox in the box type who can put away the catalogue of simple chances that are left begging with giroud on the end of them.

Don't get me wrong, it was good to see him put away a pretty easy header, we don't see that enough and that's more down to our style of play, not playing to that particular strength of his, but I'd still rather have someone more clinical, with the ability to kill games and ease my squeaky bum syndrome before the 85th minute rather than his poor finishing have me accidentally teach my neighbours kids a bunch of four letter words when he has me yelling at the tv.

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13 Sep 2015 06:45:53
G62 is a joke of a fan. Goes over to the chelski board to tell them they are doing alright, no need to talk about sacking Jose, but that Wenger gets a lot more backing than Jose gets..Doesn't once mention the kind of handicap Wenger had for the last 10 years. For some people the grass is always greener somewhere else...

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{Ed025's Note - G62 is just being a nice guy george, nothing wrong with that mate..

13 Sep 2015 09:23:51
Cig Ollys strike rate is poor in relation to gilt edged chances per game and I totally understand your frustration because it will probably cost us over a season but I love a tryer and feel for the bloke because he wants it to be different every bit as much if not more than we do.
Georgie :-) some Chelsea fans want mourinho sacked 5 games in after winning last seasons title at a canter, as I said on the Chelsea page I don't like mourinho one bit but he's a good manager for them and deserves a bit more backing than that from them.
Next week if we beat Chelsea 1 0 he's in real trouble but if we lose 10 0 and win back the 4th place trophy in May Arsene is as safe as houses, to me both situations are ridiculous at complete opposite ends of the scale.
But any way Georgie no matter what I still think your cool :-)

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13 Sep 2015 09:54:36
I concur ed. G62 one of the sites top posters. Try's to be level headed about situations

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13 Sep 2015 10:27:20
Thanks Brow mate, I love this site and respect everyone's right to an opinion whether I agree with it and even when its painfully obviously absurdly horribly wrong because its different to mine :-)

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13 Sep 2015 12:04:47
Gunner hold me coat.

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13 Sep 2015 14:26:37
This site has posters that I think are very good. We have Steve r who is a painful realist who at times I put my fingers in my ears and go la la la but he's on the money. We have G62 who is even handed and dimpolmatic and we have stoner who is the perfect optimist . This site has a good balence of posters. All valuable sharing the love that is AFC

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13 Sep 2015 14:57:26
Bang on Brow its our passion for Arsenal that unites us dispute our differing opinions on what represents success and how its can be achieved.
At times we play super sexy football that has us drooling and at other times we are more naïve than a snow man who books a two week holiday in the sun which has us all pulling our hair out, I would still have a full thick head of hair if we'd had a DM like Le Coq 5 years ago :-(

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13 Sep 2015 17:41:39
Bro i put my fingers in my ears and go la la la when i'm spouting as well. I know i'm not always right, but you try telling me that.

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13 Sep 2015 00:39:48
Should just say yes Mancs didn't look great BUT..................as a reminder how did get on at home to Liverpool

Just saying

They have beaten a side that we failed to score against.

Man U won't be far away in my opinion, not saying they will finish above us , just saying they will be challenging for a top four spot

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13 Sep 2015 10:58:25
For me I think LVG has done a much needed job at utd of turning the whole club around post Fergie and done exactly what was needed in a brutal fashion.
He won't ever make them champions again but the next manager may well do because of his contribution now.
Their ugly but effective a bit like us under George and 20 years ago it was enough to win things but now it's just enough to turn the ship away from the rocks.

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13 Sep 2015 00:23:23
Hey everyone very pleased with the result today as well as the performance. I would like to take a moment thought and defend walcott and giroud by pointing out thst whilst they both did miss too many chances so far this season none of the attacking players behind them have been giving them any support in terms of goal threats as none of ramsey, ozil, sanchez or cazorla have scored a single goal so far and that makes it difficult for a striker when you are pretty much carrying the goal scoring burden of a team single handedly. We need more from those lads and to help take the pressure off the strikers from a goal scoring perspective

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13 Sep 2015 00:43:41
So what's the excuse for the chances they missed last season when the other players were chipping in with goals? it's there job to score goals plain and simple
Giroud is a striker so he needs to score, Theo wants to be a striker so he needs to score and can I remind you that all those chances they miss are being created by the guys your criticising, they are doing there job for creating the chances for our 'strikers'

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13 Sep 2015 03:00:40
What people fail to realise is giroud and walcott were successful in scoring today and that fact on its own is brilliant. How many chances did they miss before they scored and after. We had 29 shots today and like last season the back up players are not scoring enough. Wastefullness catches up with you, not today but other days. If you are wastefull and inefficient you will get found out. Its down to ability and if you are good at finishing, you are good at finishing. If you take a lot of chances to score goals that is because of your ability, you can't turn it on and off like a tap. Its something you are capable of doing or not. that's why very good players/finishers play for the top teams and the not so end up playing for the lesser teams. Giroud is a player who takes a certain amount of chances to score and that's his level. It won't just become world class tomorrow. We don't score the goals we should because of our ability.

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