Arsenal Banter Archive May 14 2016

 

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14 May 2016 22:21:46
Just trying to rub a bit of 'positivity' on this season.

Man City spent £150m last season and we should finish above them.

Man Utd have spent approx £300m over past 2 seasons and can't get into top 4.

Have to show Wenger a bit of respect for that.

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14 May 2016 23:15:48
Remind me again dags what did leicester spend.

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15 May 2016 00:05:06
But to be fair Dags aren't we celebrating others underperforming more than we did rather than our own achievements and progress?
Sorry but it doesn't say much for our own ambitions mate does it?
Leicester Spurs West Ham Southampton will be celebrating their own achievements rather than consoling themselves with other failures.
As Red Rosie asked us a few weeks back, what ever has happened to Arsenal football club?

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15 May 2016 02:05:47
think Arsenal fans, much like England fans used to be before every cup comp, expect too much. I would like to know how many of the teams below us would like to swap places with us. Leicester is a freak result this year who fully deserve it and when Arsenal won the league first time we were punching above our weight. We should be glad our team allows us to watch champions league every year and challenge for the league rather than relegation. I know we would all like to win the league and champions league but how many teams do? Enjoy it while it lasts. We could end up like United.

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15 May 2016 09:03:55
Yep, you lot just kicked the 'positivity' outta me :-)

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15 May 2016 09:34:35
Could end up like United? I would say United have ended up like arsenal.

U were never on ours or Chelsea and city's level.

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15 May 2016 09:56:40
Thank you CTR mate that's really kind of you to acknowledge it, but I think you do both city and Chelsea a disservice when you say they've never had any class what so ever at any time entire their history.

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15 May 2016 10:04:13
Are you having a laugh Chris?

We have always been there and there about for about 20 years.

City and Chelsea have just done it sporadically over a limited number of years.

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15 May 2016 10:12:32
There or there abouts is lot different to winning it.

U have been a 4th placed team that sees that as success. That's why u are not on the level of us 3.

United on the other hand have a real chance of losing it all over the next few years, and then I would suspect in the next couple of years u may be saying the same to me if we don't buck our ideas up mate.

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15 May 2016 10:38:05
Dags, is season was a failure just like city, chelsea, and united.
Chris, with all do respect to man united history but I don't se you guys breaking in the top 4 anytime soon mate.
And you ended up like liverpool not arsenal.

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15 May 2016 13:05:03
Over the past 20 years i would like to see which of United, Chelsea and City have been on Arsenals level with qualifying for the Champions league.3 teams who have got to where they are by spending money. Look at United since Fergie left, poor side who do not deserve champions league football. CTR sounding like a Liverpool fan with their History. Currently Man United and Chelsea as you proudly put are not on Arsenals Level. Champions league being the level.

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15 May 2016 08:01:15
Or even better 'Leeds'

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14 May 2016 17:28:58
Fellow Gooners
I'm having a few days in London to go to the game.
Are their any of the banter boys about for a pint before the game.
Stevie R I would love to have a drink with you and see if I can't change your mind about Wenger, So if any of you lads are up for a pre football pint let me know .
I have had a little bet on arsenal to sneak 2nd. So get on it.

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14 May 2016 18:37:36
Watch out for my Subaru welsh going through the streets of London doing lots of beeping. also well done to arsenal ladies on bringing some happiness to the club lol.

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14 May 2016 21:35:15
Welsh have a great day I am no where near london and you will never change my mind lol.

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14 May 2016 21:41:32
Nice gesture Welsh,

Unfortunately I'm missing the game due to work commitments.

Enjoy it mate.

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14 May 2016 22:26:43
Lock up your sheep everybody :-)

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15 May 2016 08:19:46
Enjoy your day Welsh

And a 2-0 win.

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14 May 2016 22:45:00
I hear you are a bit of an actor dags, didn't you star in maid in Dagenham, you played one of the factory girls lol.

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14 May 2016 16:23:04
As a club who perenially finish top 4, now and again pop into third. Every year the manager should be going into the end of season meeting with the board telling them where it went wrong and what is needed to put it right, the players we need and the players we dont. The board should say, ok then arsene we will go out and get them and you can go out next season and improve our position and make a challenge. So what's going wrong. Obviously we aren't that ambitious with the current set up and obviously those things aren't discussed in the meeting. There are some ridiculous stories coming out in the papers about wenger and our financial position, obviously highlighting what they think our club will do, giving our previous few seasons record.

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14 May 2016 16:54:47
I think it's pretty much a given Steve that Arsenal and Newcastle are the two clubs whose footballing ambition is second to there financial aspirations.
Newcastle aim was stay in the premier league as cheaply as possible and Arsenal's top 4 by the same method.
Some will argue with that but both clubs have shown absolutely no ambition to be all they could be for a very long time now.

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14 May 2016 17:31:52
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I think we will make 3/ 4 good signings.
we have a few lads leaving, so let's hope for some class.
Also I think we did try and sign 2 players last year but they never came off.

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14 May 2016 18:36:00
Hope your right welsh mate, enjoy your weekend and the game tomorrow.
we will miss you on live chat tomorrow mate I bet sheep don't get one single mention without you being around, just won't be the same :-)

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14 May 2016 19:25:52
Steve, I am quite surprised about your post.

The first thing the board will look at is the balance sheets, if we are in profit the headline will be " another good year" its a business that looks for results in money rather than points.

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14 May 2016 20:01:02
Arsene Wenger runs the club as he deems fit. This season, with the acquisition of Cech and Elneny we have a very full squad, which coped reasonably well with our usual plethora of injuries. The reason for the rumoured relatively low amount to spend this summer is that although we have large reserves, they are not only used to fund transfers, but the general running expenses. In addition, we have recouped very little in the way of sales in recent windows. The cost of transfers, often involves high amounts in wages over the term of a player's contract and we are one of the highest payers in the PL.
Even, with the likely departures of Arteta, Debuchy, Flaimini and Rosicky, we have very few places left in the squad. With the likes of Iwobi, Reinne-Adelaide, Willock and others coming through, I believe we will sign 2 or 3 players at best; A defender, a midfield player and a forward.
The £50m, mentioned in the press may be the maximum we will spend above any sales, hence rumours about possible departures have been emerging. These would go towards funding any acquisitions.

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14 May 2016 20:25:12
I think there is a problem with what the club/ board have groomed us to want and the actual reality of what it can give! A bit like fur coat and no knickers.

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14 May 2016 21:40:45
Banbury it not what I think the board does, its what I think the board should do and doesn't. They and wenger obviously put pounds ahead of points.

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14 may 2016 15:54:35
congratulations to the arsenal ladies on their cup win.

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14 May 2016 17:14:01
Yes great to see them girls back on top.

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14 May 2016 17:22:21
welshy there's no need to be dirty :)

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14 May 2016 15:01:18
Hi Eds and everyone else.

First post on this website, but long time reader. I have just read an article that says Arsenal only have around £50 million in total to spend this summer, and more than likely going to have to sell to generate the funds needed for more than one first-team player. I know we are expected to sell some players, but I remember last year a board member saying we could afford anyone apart from Messi or Ronaldo, so where has the money gone.

Can you shed any light on this story? (The story was done by an independent group who had no interest in football, but was reported by the Evening Standard, referencing their research) .

Thanks in advance.

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14 May 2016 15:38:41
Hi cj I'm not sure what's going on with this story mate or who or why paid for this report in the first place.
We will just have to wait and see I guess mate.

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14 May 2016 12:39:29
I have been pretty much spot on predicting the last 4 or 5 transfer windows for Arsenal, simply by monitoring a number of different websites and then fusing the info together. I warned last time, for example, that Cech was the only major signing going to happen.

Intriguing therefore to see a story emerging that Wenger will have to sell before he can buy and has a transfer limit of about £60 million.

Thats curious because pretty much everyone knows that Arsenal remain cash rich and have always backed Wenger when necessary.

Its a reliable source but its flying against all the other opinion.

I can only speculate that it might be the first indication that the club is putting pressure on Wenger.

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14 May 2016 13:47:33
Dave,
I have been stating for a while that we don't have huge piles of cash. We have a war chest but it's not exactly increasing year on year plus certain amounts are ring fenced for debt covenants, 45m in player instalments plus last year we still had to fund Cech out of. The cash was overstated as we were going into close season plus had cash from pre sold season tickets with HMRC and wages to pay.

Wenger has over achieved - not by the standards he has set but by his budget. He has made mistakes and not spent but is that due to scarce resources?
At Highbury he was ruthless with players and strengthened every summer. Has he really changed or has the available resources?
Would Jose or Pep put up with such resource?
I don't think Wenger is perfect but definitely the best we can get and uses the budget very well.

Last 6 months worth of accounts - we lost money as a club and since the move have funded the club by real estate and player sales. That's tough as a manager to loss your best players to balance the books - yet we play in Champ League every year.
Like I say - we need a business model change because there is so much money now in football.

We have to do that for Wenger or whoever or accept we won't compete.
We may get lucky like Leicester - once every 100 years but is that what you want.
Once we spend the war chest - where is the money coming from for the season after and after that Wenger is the best option and the finances support the opinion that we can not spend 70 to 80m every season like some fans want.

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14 May 2016 16:53:52
sy4 the stadium funds the loan and players wasges

we got over 60million a year sponsorship deals

there is money there to spend.

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14 May 2016 17:20:18
SY4
Well wrote, we live within our budget some fans want us to go into debt.
Also you did not include the shareholders bubbly.

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14 May 2016 17:50:55
MG, I assume you read the cash flow statement and income statement. If we had so much income and don't spend it, why isn't our cash reserve at 500m or so? We need to up our revenue, it surpassed €300m last year for the first time but still 160m behind Utd! We need to bring in more income to compete.

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14 May 2016 19:02:22
MG, have you read the cash flow and income statements? We aren't in great shape buddy. Then read the notes to the accounts. Last year was the first time our revenue topped €300m which was €160m behind Utd. We need to figure out how to generate more profit and cash to compete. If what you say is true - then our cash balance would be increasing year on year towards the 500m mark but it is not.
New model or be content with what you've got.
No major manager will want to have those constraints.
Wenger is best placed to take care of the team and for me, I would like him to have the extra cash from a new model so he can return us to greatness. He's earned that.

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14 May 2016 21:43:12
Dont worry we won't ever go into debt we have 200 mil float, which will grow while we dont.

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14 May 2016 12:37:14
Hello Dags, Malaga and gooners. I know the season isn't over yet but are you guys optimistic about summer additions where you need them and kickin on next season? Cheers.

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14 May 2016 13:43:04
Hi WRD mate

i think wenger will go for it this window

he showed faith in what he had last year and they just weren't good enough

i expect big changes

what about UTD what's your opinion on what will happen.

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14 May 2016 14:38:50
Well I'm not too sure Malaga tbh, there's so many differing reports. I don't think most fans are happy particularly with style of play and I'd be tempted to say if no top 4 LVG can't survive even if we win the cup but I don't know. Personally would like Jose to come in though.

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15 May 2016 09:38:19
If we leave the 4th place is good enough clown in charge we will continue to struggle.

It's about time United woke up and actually got back to football for me.

Invest in the youth set up and get a manager to compete for a few years then poch can take the job he really wants and bring our youth through.

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14 May 2016 09:45:48
So there we have it, while every other club in the premier league is looking forward to spending their mega new TV money on players previously beyond them this summer we somehow have gone from a club being able to sign anyone but Ranaldo or Messi last summer to one that has only £54 million to spend!
This could only happen at Arsenal :-)

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14 May 2016 11:21:00
hi G62 mate

we have to take into account that the 54 million doesn't include the 60 million from the sponsorship deals and the new tv money which adds up to about 200 million.

there is money to spend, we just don't have a manager who is willing to spend.

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14 May 2016 11:49:02
Hi Malaga mate.
I was thinking on the optimistic side this story might mean we really are about to spend big this summer but this is the clubs attempt to try and stop clubs asking top dollar because they know we're so loaded.
On the no so optimistic side this might be yet another excuse not to spend but instead to think we can replicate Leicester success on the cheap?
I guess we will find out as the summer unfolds :-)

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13 May 2016 23:36:57
We need a new business model to compete - not a new manager

As Lockyer writes in the report: "I do not think Arsenal can generate significant cash without player trading profits."

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14 May 2016 09:05:14
To consistently make the big sponsorship deals the club has to start showing a real ambition to win the big 2 trophies available, to do that we need to invest properly in firstly the first 11 and then the squad, and by that I mean sign more than 1 or 2 players while letting the same amount leave either by sale or retirement, all that does is keep the status quo.
Wenger will not do that and has proven it time and again so I'm afraid for me he has to go.
But the transfer window is about to open so I'm sure lot's of the optimistic fans on here will be fooling themselves that this is the year he breaks the mold, the rest (me included know that the only thing to be broken is our hearts.

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