Arsenal Banter Archive July 15 2014

15 Jul 2014 23:46:08
Just adding my two cents to the debate about the way our front men will line up.
I really can't see Sanchez starting on the left. after all we will have Reus for that position! ;)

I'm dreaming obviously, but still feeling really positive about the rest of the summer and incoming signings!

U & I share th same dream mate.
Anyways I like this new look Arsenal, ANYTHING & I mean ANYTHING is POSSIBLE. let's keep dreamin. :-)

15 Jul 2014 22:44:59
Quick point,

Personally I agree we shouldn't bow down to players who demand wages way higher than their quality possibly deserves.

However, when the team that WILL pay the extra money a week if we don't is Chelsea, all I can think of is c'mon PAY HIM PLEASE!

I think Khedira would be a valuable addition to our squad and would bring a hugely noticeable contribution and could push us that one step further alongside Ramsey in deep-lying midfield!

{Ed025's Note - but where do you draw the line JW?..

15 Jul 2014 22:49:48
No club will pay him that kind of money.

1) He's not a striker
2) He's down the line in terms of best midfielders in the world
3) Not particularly marketable

{Ed025's Note - i hope not sheeny...someone has got to make a stand..

Let's leave Wenger worry about that.

I think they call it market force's, everyone is worth what someone is willing to pay them.
Unless clubs agree to a maximum wage they are willing to pay they will continue to spiral year after year.

{Ed025's Note - but it has to stop somewhere G62, otherwise clubs will go under mate..

15 Jul 2014 23:03:28
The only way to change it Ed are worldwide fan strikes, otherwise wages will continue to inflate.

Particularly if the MLS hits they're growth marks over the next 20years.

That's big money country

{Ed025's Note - you may be right sheeny, but if sky goes tits up, so do all the big spenders mate...

15 Jul 2014 23:14:12
For me, it sucks that a player can demand to be the highest paid player at the club even before he has kicked a ball for them.

These players really need to come back down to earth, remember their roots and get a reality check.

{Ed025's Note - i agree dags...and some have a clause where they will be the highest paid at the club, and so they get a rise as well...slippery slope mate..

Totally agree Ed025 mate boom is always followed by bust and unless football clubs wise up the players will kill the goose that laid the golden egg sooner rather than later.
A maximum wage has to happen either through choice or necessity

{Ed025's Note - i think your right mate...and the sooner the better..

15 Jul 2014 23:39:30
Absolutely Ed,

I agree with the clause where you get parity with your team mates in terms of pay rises, ie pay rises should be across the board and not just to the guy who scores the goal's, it is, after all, a team game, but for a player to demand the highest wages before he even sign's is ridiculous.

Khedira (in this instance), is basically saying, "I am the big shot in this team".

Sorry Mr Khedira, bet let your football do the talking.

Whys everyone getting so funny about khedira's apparent wage demands? Firstly, it's all hyperbole and conjecture, none of us have any real idea if it's true. And if these are his initial demands, then what's the big deal? That's how negotiating works! He's not going to come to the table and say what his minimum would actually be. If his demands were unrealistic and there was no room for negotiation, talks would have broken down already.

Just stop worrying about negotiations. It's just the media. It's just taking a while to go through so papers are jumping to conclusions.

{Ed025's Note - fair point that CS, the media are full of ertha kitt, and should never be believed..

Fair points everyone. i'm not saying pay the bloke double of what we would like to. But if it happens to be the difference of £10k a week then why not. He is a quality player.

I know to us £10k a week is a bloody lot of money over a 5 year contract. But this is a Football Club worth over £1bn where the fans pay £7 for a bit of food on match day. We can afford to pay that little bit more if we really want our man!

If not, then let him go to Chelsea, but i'd hate to see him play an integral part in their team like Hazard, Mata etc!

Could just all be media stirring it up as mentioned above. let's hope that negotiations are going well and Khedira or our team aren't being too stubborn. :)

{Ed025's Note - the only problem there JW95 is that its a slippery slope mate, what if the next player in wants a bit more?, and the next one a bit more than that?..its these bloody agents who are to blame in my eyes, leeches who are bleeding the game dry..

16 Jul 2014 09:38:14
The NFL has it right. Each year every team has the same cap limit for wages etc. Then they draft their young players from college in a way that let's the worst team from the previous year has the first pick of the bunch and the best team gets the last. They also has a committee that meets at the end of each year to discuss rule changes that would benefit the game. Really well managed sport American Football.

{Ed025's Note - sounds good to me rosie, i also believe the younger players should also be capped, with U18,s being paid no more than 30% of the top salary, and U21,s 60%, to protect them from the pitfalls that copious amounts of money brings, in my ideal world players would be on no more than £50,000 per week, then paid £25,000 per point earned, this would be a great incentive for them to give 100% each week...im getting off my soap box now.. :)

Indeed Ed025, you talk a lot of sense, respect.

I actually have a friend who is coming on 20. He was on the books of Chelsea, then QPR, now at Colchester United. Name is Conor Hubble if anyone fancies a look at him to prove I'm not lying! :D

But he's told me all about agents and their fees and the fact they constantly try to get the best deal for themselves before their player!

{Ed025's Note - they are blood sucking vampires JW95, they are bleeding the game dry, they protest that they are getting the best deal for their clients, but really they are lining their own pockets (just like solicitors), if they are that concerned about their clients, then why not just take a nominal fee of say 5% of the purchase price?..

15 Jul 2014 21:31:48
Hey ed. Do you reckon there is any chance of arsenal going after mitchu? He is a good player on his own and I can see him being awsome with our midfield full of assisters.

{Ed002's Note - Can't see it.}

15 Jul 2014 22:51:22
Not much of an improvement on Giroud except heading ability

15 Jul 2014 21:03:49
I been seeing a lot of stories from media and pundits aswell as a lot of the gooners venting their anger towards these little digs from these outlets. I understand the frustration that we may not be getting the recognition we deserve. but I say just let em ramble on! We as the Arsenal fans all know what we are about, we have a truly great club throughout every foundation, we don't need the reassurance of these media/pundit outlets. some fans of other clubs may need this but personally I think we dont!

We are geared and gearing up for not just another successful season this year but for the forseeable future as well. we know what have we done on and off the field we don't need Michael Owen or Phil Thompson to tell us we are doing well. let em talk. let's just focus on us, ignore and laugh, these are exciting times boys let's not let the envy of others drag our moods down. he who laughs last!

15 Jul 2014 22:37:49
Good post portion.

15 Jul 2014 22:53:28
Michael "2 seasons" Owen?

Snarf.

Cheers Dags.haha Sheeny i'm surprised he hasn't pulled a throat muscle yet and been ruled out of commentary for 6 months

16 Jul 2014 23:50:32
He'll be forced to retire to his .blogspot in a couple of seasons because he can't cut it alongside Charlie Nicholas!

15 Jul 2014 20:30:58
So Sami Khedira was asked where he would be playing next season and before he could answer, Poldi had to get his two pence in; 'ARSENAL'.

Now of course, it means absolutely nothing and my point here isn't even about Khedira.

It's that god I love Podolski.
He just seems a top lad.
I really hope he stays!

15 Jul 2014 21:07:32
Same here, I think Poldi is ace! needs a good run with a fully fit squad and he'd be awesome.

16 Jul 2014 01:11:23
Alwayssaid with quick wingers giving him service he would kill it 1 chance 1 goal instead of Girouds 4 or 5. Him and Campbell can easily fill for Giroud and actually rotate the squad. Against some teams Pod or Campbell would be better suited instead of just plugging the same 11 players regardless!

15 Jul 2014 18:46:25
A pleasant good afternoon Ed,

With the Khedira story doing the rounds, do you still see Morgan Schneiderlin as a Wenger target? Or do you think Southampton will look to hold on to the player since they have already lost a couple key players?

Given Khedira's wage demands, I would opt for Schneiderlin. I don't think Khedira should be our highest paid player; it opens the door for others to start demanding a pay raise.

Thanks for everything,
Peace,
Trinidad-Gooner

15 Jul 2014 22:54:36
Eds please don't let Dags see this post :P

15 Jul 2014 23:42:05
Spyder, Spyder, Spyder.

lol.

15 Jul 2014 19:35:42
The finalising of the Khedira deal is dragging on, never a good sign in my opinion, hopefully AW has other negotiating going on

Wages were always going to be a sticking point, Khedira's brilliant but I wouldn't blame the club for pulling out due to excessive demands. Still some other very good DM's out there, Spider and Bender among them.

15 Jul 2014 17:36:53
Are we still targeting batyuishi, griezman and drmic?

{Ed002's Note - Of course not.}

Hmm, seems odd to me that. Why's remy's name still in the frame, or would you say that it isn't( please don't tell me there different types of players, when it comes to wenger an attacker is an attacker )

Drmic moved already. To Leverkusen if I'm not mistaken.

15 Jul 2014 17:09:03
Thought I would come on here and ask people a few questions

1. Have Arsenal upset the Liverpool old guard and I missed it? Owen comes out and says we won't make the top 4, Carra calls Sanchez a watse of time, Thommo tells the world Sanchez made a mistake not joining Liverpool!

I mean, if I were honest I would be touting Liverpool to drop out right now. Suarez scored 45% of their goals, god knows how many assists. Who is going to replace him?

2. What do you think the hold up in the Khedira signing, or even is it going to happen?

3. Is debuchy in the bag now that Janmaat has signed for the toon and what ever happened to Aurier?

4. Who else if any do you think we will sign?

5. Is Jack really all that wrong for having a good time? English media is really gunning for us at the moment and Englands future stars!

Adam P

15 Jul 2014 18:43:29
Liverpool clearly really jealous of Sanchez. Now they have to settle for Markovic. Debuchy should be done soon. Khedira might take a while.

Hey Adam, some good questions I have been thinking too. My answers which ar all my opinions:

1. They are jealous/scared and want us to fail. we wont, we are used to people wanting that :D They still could sign top players, but we have a better and more settled team.

2. His wages I presume, I think Wenger wants him not only for his ability but also to enhance Ozil game and life in general

3. Debuchy is in the bag I feel. Aurier was maybe a little risky and inexperienced going into new season as 1st choice and although great going forward not fantastic defender

4. We have to get a goalie? Ospina? Another RB. Manquillo. DM. Khedira/Schneiderlin and coming to end of window maybe a forward depending on Campbell/Akpom progression etc

5. Yep . personally I think Jack needs a good dose of cop the f*ck on, In fairness I think he is a great talent but he has not progressed enough in the past few year, yes he has had many injuries however I feel it is all mentality problems and Wenger will not be happy. He only has to look at his teammate for a benchmark. a certain Aaron Ramsey

Jacks behavior and attitude past few years have not been befitting enough to wear Gods jersey!

These are just my thoughts be interested to see what others think

Debuchy has already done a photo shoot with us apparently, I would think we will have an announcement between now and fri if janmaat has sighned

These pundits are amongst the worst there is so for them to write us off is a very big bonus.
Let's face it Arsene has never not finished top four and they are predicting that now he has money to spend and we already have Sanchez its going to happen this season.
That makes sense, not!
Proper Brain surgeons those thre

14 Jul 2014 13:52:31
Ed, any chance you can make a poll regarding which player we think is most likely to leave this summer - Santi, Poldi, Vermalen, Monreal. Etc.

Thanks

{Ed027's Note - done mate

Cheers ed

15 Jul 2014 08:33:19
ed another khedira question (!) is it true we dropped out because of his wage demands?

{Ed027's Note - we're still in for him

The independent is saying its done and dusted behind the scenes and he's ours, take your pick which you believe.
As always its a waiting game until the plump Sheila yodels

15 Jul 2014 15:00:13
Hi fellow Gooners! Just got back from Vancouver - first granddaughter . At 9.00 pm every night they fire a cannon over the bay from Stanley Park. Loud isn`t the word but how intimidating and rousing would it be to have that at the Emirates? Should apply for it if only to give Elf and Safety something else to moan about!
Khedira Remy Ruddy anyone?

Would be awesome to have that! Scare the cr4p out of the opponents!

15 Jul 2014 11:04:55
While we await our next signing, I thought I would hear what people though with regards to Messi getting the Golden ball. It is not Arsenal related sorry about that Eds, please could you let this one through.

Lionel Messi scored all his goals in a relatively easy group a the world cup (No offence to Iran, Bosnia and Nigeria)

Messi had only one assist in the world cup, and that was scored by Di Maria in extra time against Switzerland

Messi did not score nor provide an assist in the in the quarter final match against Belgium

Messi did not score nor provide an assist in the in the semi final match against Netherlands (except penalty shoot out)

Messi did not score nor provide an assist in the world cup final versus Germany

With that in mind, please can you tell me how Lionel Messi "dragged Argentina to the final" like the analysts are saying

{Ed025's Note - hes the golden boy rue, i thought he was very average mate..

15 Jul 2014 14:11:31
I agree totally with u, Rue. I still can't figure out why he won it. Mascherano for me was even more deserving of that award. Robben, James, even Muller, would have been more deserving of the golden ball.

The Adidas sponsored golden boot award was won by Messi. Who is sponsored by?
I'll give you a clue. It isn't hi-tec.

Maybe i'm too cynical. Or maybe not.

Flybo

Couldn't agree more abaka, james, top goal scorer & goal of the tournaments 1&2 the volley and the chip, muller "muller did what mullers do" never a truer word spoken, an outrageously good player on and off the ball, a true footballing genius. Robben, he makes me sick to the core, an a hole bladdy bladdy blah, doesn't change the fact that when he runs 1 on 1 at defenders he's the best in the world at the moment. On to messi, scored a good goal against a woeful Iranian defence, almost as loose as their homeland security. But he is fifa's poster boyl so I guess it's to be expected

15 Jul 2014 15:34:39
I have no idea how he won it, he didn't deserve it but I wouldn't say he was average Ed

Anytime he got on the ball he produced something the problem was that his midfield was so poor they couldn't get him on the ball!

And before someone says he has to do more to get himself on the ball he was constantly dropping deep to receive it.

Perfect example would be in the final, in extra time he dropped back to centre spot won the ball, played it out wide and made it back to the box in time for the cross which he headed over the bar

Against Switzerland he moved all along the front line, both flanks and centre looking to get on the ball, he'd drop deep beat his man and play the pass only to be let down by those in front of him with poor link up play or decision making.

Don't get me wrong he should never have won the golden ball but Argetina were top heavy and with no creative spark in the centre.

They only got through the group stage thanks to his goals. When he got on the ball he produced.

Personally I think James was robbed

Without thinking about it, I can honestly say these players are more worthy than Messi (that's not to say they should of won it overall, that should of been James Rodriguez, but these are players i'd give it to over Leo)

James Rodriguez
Alexis Sanchez
Bryan Ruiz
Thomas muller
Neymar
Thiago silva
Javier mascherano


that's just off the top of my head.
As I say, those weren't players who should of won it, but ones more deserving than Messi surely!

Hell, if put time into it, I could find half a dozen I reckon.

Messi won it purely because he's the Adidas flagship player.

15 Jul 2014 10:56:24
I guess this is quite known but anyhows expect our german trio to miss pre season and miss the first few games of the League as well? Good or bad? I agree ozil may not take part but per and podolski should take full part of it.

I trust wenger so it's the right thing to do

15 Jul 2014 06:30:42
Not a rumour. But if Manchester United rely wants tv5 then I tink we should ask for a swap deal for chicharito. I feel he is better than remy n also due to d wage demands of remy. Thoughts guys?

{Ed025's Note - good impact sub G4L, but thats it for me mate..

An impact player may be good 025, let the gorgous hunk of a man from swaggering about nonchalantly at the end of games, and take off some of that pressure

15 Jul 2014 16:15:17
Agree with ed, he's not really up to scratch

15 Jul 2014 00:36:00
Please can someone tell me as it has been going through my mind for a couple of days who would win in a fight dags or phil scolari

Maidstone that's a tricky one!

Well Big Phil Scolari is Brazilian, so by judging from the football team they can be good going forward but can't defend for rubbish. So he will throw a few punches but can't block to save his life.

Then we have our home boy Dags, who loves a good Punch line (see what I did there). Float like a Butterfly sting like Bee and all that.

So it would have to be Dags!

But if all goes tits up and Dags is sent off in an ambulance I'm sure we could heal him with a "Remy"dy!

I think dags. He would tell big phil one of his "jokes". Big phil would be stunned by it and fall unconscious. No physical contact needed!

{Ed025's Note - now im not a big scolari fan rocky...but i would not wish that on anybody mate..

15 Jul 2014 08:49:45
Maidstone, you worry me. Official, lol.

Ace, thank you. You are officially my corner man.

Ed, ya just jealous because you don't have my repertoire of jokes, lol.

15 Jul 2014 09:06:04
Actually, in my younger days I use to do a bit of boxing.

Wasn't very good though.

People use to call me 'Kid Candle'.

One blow and I was out.

So, I took up comedy instead.

Big Phil would take the early rounds but Dags would wear him down round by round, then with two rounds to go the Brazilian would totally surrender as DG switched into Malaga mode and hit him with his best stuff prompting the ref to stop the fight to save the crowd from any further punishment

Ever thought you should have given the boxing a bit longer Dags? :-)

15 Jul 2014 11:10:40
G62,

Good strategy mate.

I think there is a bit of 'Micky Duff' in you.

No mate, comedy is my thing, and you lot, my unfortunate audience.

{Ed025's Note - comedy??..you flatter yourself dags.. :)

15 Jul 2014 15:27:24
Its alternative comedy Ed.

in other words, not funny, lol.

15 Jul 2014 00:32:33
Anybody else a little wound up about the BT sport add advertising their channel solely showing us getting thumped by Liverpool. What is with Media/press sticking the knife in. How come they just advertised that single game to get people to buy BT sport?.

Some of the guys were talking about this earlier, I was thinking at the time really, of all the super things going on with Arsenal at the moment people are bothered by this.

Then I've seen the Ad another two times after, the slippery gits. What are they trying to pull? Of all the games they could of shown or at least a bit of every team, they fecking show that game.

Everyone just loves having a pop at us. Well this season will be a hell of a lot different mark my words!!

Doesn't really bother me. It's just an advert.
They should play it to the team in the dressing room before every game. Remind them how they won't want to feel again.

15 Jul 2014 07:47:45
I reckon BT sports have looked at the numbers of customers they have and merseyside was lowest in England as fans out buying kappa shell suits or bin dipping. They are using advert to suggest LFC as a (wait for it. ) top club!! Lol oh my sides pmsl. Anyway who cares, we can rise above it gooners, fa cup bagged and the revolution is under way. COYG

{Ed025's Note - hey!..i happen to be a scouser PL2, there are a lot of good people on merseyside you know...in future please aim your vitriol at only liverpool supporters...everton fans have feelings as well mate..

15 Jul 2014 08:57:06
Yep, that was a bit unfair PL2, but I'm sure you meant it as banter.

The BT advert didn't bother me that much but I thought it was a poor advertising strategy by BT.
First rule of advertising, you have to appeal to all audiences and not alienate some.

I thought BT scored another own goal the following day when their advert in paper showed Kieran Gibbs being sent off against Chelsea.

Rise above it Gents and Jenny.

15 Jul 2014 09:37:41
The marketing team at BT sport probably saw the Arsenal/Liverpool 'Love-in' over here last year and decided to break it up!

15 Jul 2014 11:12:37
You could have a point Rosie.

15 Jul 2014 14:03:48
It was meant as banter dags! Isn't this the banter page! No offense itended. expected Liverpool fans to bite wahayy!

Just lost dracular the best striker in the world, they deserve a bit of comfort, and we all know how much liverpool fans love the past

15 Jul 2014 15:41:30
PL2,

I know you did mate.