Arsenal Banter Archive June 15 2013

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15 Jun 2013 20:49:34
I have heard arsenal will kick start the summer with the signings of Mariouane Fellaini and Wayne Rooney for an undisclosed fee.

Where did you hear this?

What a kick start!, I can't wait til we get started
trev the gooner

16 Jun 2013 11:28:47
don't believe twitter. too many itk's who relate every player to every team, they get one right and the can screenshot that tweet and delete the others.
having said that, the bookies rarely get things wrong and they have us favourites for rooney, higuain and fellaini (and a cesar and williams)

15 Jun 2013 20:20:30
Arsenal boss Wenger has been given the green light by the board to launch a £32m bid to sign AC Milan starlet Stephan El Shaarawy

We will have to wait until the confed cup is over to see laddie

Young Gun

Not a chance. He's nowhere near good enough and we haven't scouted him for about 3 seasons when he was at Genoa (I believe that's right anyway).
Also he'll cost too much, there were reports that Milan tentatively enquired with a view to offer £34m last transfer window, they were told no at that time.
Personally I don't rate him, I have him down as the same type of person as Taarabt

15 Jun 2013 19:38:28
Hi guys does anyone know anything about alvaro Morata, he's been great in the u21's?

Bergkamp5353

15 Jun 2013 17:13:27
Hi, i'm not an Arsenal fan but I work for a company that makes fancy dress gear. we've just had a huge order come in for 25000 of our black disco wigs from the Arsenal club shop. make of this what you will but I reckon you're moving for Fellaini.

Badulakahn

That statement is so crazy it could be true, if its made up its definitely thinking outside of the box.
I'm impressed either way!

Lol, this is brilliant! Best thing I have read on here for a while!

noobGooner

15 Jun 2013 18:03:16
500 and I would of half believed you. 25,000 no way

Comment of the year :-)

Lol. it is things like this that make me believe. lol

Maybe we have signed Kevin Keegan?

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15 Jun 2013 10:53:03
Someone commented on a post that they don't want Isco and we should let the ox shine.

Have yo say that Isco is much better and if we signed him I wouldn't complain, but I have to agree with this anonymous post.

Firstly the ox is great, and given time could be superb. Secondly everyone is frustrated by the lack of quality young english players, and this is the problem! As soon as any club haa money they go and buy the latest thing from abroad rather than blooding english players. Arsenal seem to be a club giving british players a chance at the moment, an long may it continue!

Just my two-pence worth, interested to hear peoples thoughts.

PWR Gooner

It's a really interesting debate. For me it comes down to who is better and in what position? The Ox may go on about being a central mid one day but right now he only plays well wide, and if I'm more specific, wide left, cutting in on his right. Last season all his dazzling games were from wide left as well. Put on the right he's ok, put him in the middle and nothing happens.

Isco isn't a wide player, he's an attacking mid who is simply good enough to play anywhere - like Mata. There's no reason why we can't have both!

Just goes back to this need to let go of this 'starting 11' idea and really see it as a 'starting 18' in the sense that everyone on the bench should be good enough to start or come on and change a game. I am forever saying this but all the better clubs than us rotate players. We run our into the ground because everyone on the bench is weaker than the starting line up. Chelsea have 4 world class players who would probably all tell you they prefer to play the ACM role. They don't though, Mata plays as much as a wing mid, second striker or out and out striker alongside Torres just as much as ACM. Lamps plays DM as one of two in a pivot, CM, and ACM. Hazard is a typical wing mid who people call ACM yet he never get played centrally. Deep down I wonder if Wenger would really know what to do with another world class central mid. Until he stops with this rule that we ONLY play one of 2 formations, it will always be a problem. We play 433, or we play 3231. That's it. And often one becomes the other. Only when we start playing 4132 with a proper DM, two wide attacking mids (Hazards/El Shaarawys) and two strikers - which is how City, Chelsea and Man U line up, will we be able to accommodate all the mids that Wenger seems to want to stockpile! He should really take note of how those managers, in particular Benitez, rotate.

But then metal to put a spin on it you play ox through the centre like he did against Ac Milan and he played out of his skin. It's great to have a utility positioned player who can play anywhere across the middle then surely we need to accommodate that. But at the same time if someone was going to offer Isco and that's going to stump that development then so be it unfortunately. If you want to be the best you play the best and can't feel sorry for someone who isn't ready yet.

Bradders that's true, but I think I would do whatever I could to accommodate a player like Isco and if it meant The Ox plays wide or not at all then so be it.

However, Wenger would say 'I won't sign Isco if he is available for £20m because of course we Oxlade' - face palm central!

Absolutely agree about depth metal, it was more a question of letting an british core really come through. Its part of what makes me wonder that richards would be a good signing in defence, and i'm keen to sew how tom ince develops.

I honestly think that if more teams had a focus on their identity as british clubs itd be a good thing for both clubs and country.

PWR Gooner

PWR I find this debate really interesting for a few reasons. Firstly, I think there is something very odd about our football culture here. Well in all honesty I think during the formative years to some extent in all areas, not just sport, and I certainly found this at uni for example, people were not encouraged to be any better than anyone else, rather, be a fully-contributing 'part of the team'. I can only speak for what I see but as I have said before the guy who used to try and take the ball past 6 players and score was hated - in other cultures that player is the one everyone wants to be and who all the coaches want to see turn out good.

I look at how amazing some of the youth is that we have in this country, and find it a mystery the way they are at best average by the time they reach senior age. I would put money on that Dan Crowley being an absolute nobody in 7 years time, shame as it is to say it. It's as though individual brilliance is coached out of players.

That said, all the England players play for the best teams in England - it's not as though they all play for Wigan and QPR. The majority of the England squad is Man U, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs players. I appreciate not all of those clubs are bringing talent through like we are but what I'm saying is it's odd the way we are so poor as country when most of our players are CL players.

I think in football many things are cyclic and it seems as though we're entering another period where we are starting to see very good young players in the youth leagues. West Brom, Villa, Chelsea and Everton youth teams are very good and I imagine in 4 years or so we really are going to be spoilt for choice when picking the England team.

15 Jun 2013 10:20:29
Man united have given Rooney permission to talk to Arsenal and discussions are taking place.

Rooney is on holiday so there won't be any immediate movement and it is early days, but I am told it is positive.

Im not saying he has signed, just that we are in talks. This is what I hear from someone I trust.

Yeah I used to stand in the kids enclosure back in the 60's. I saw Ian Ure punch 'hard man' Billy Bremmner in the nose & the joy of watching tears roll down the 'hard man's' face. Happened about 5yds from where I stood. Bremmner was only a kid then but honing his dark arts even then. Happy days, think it cost about 1 or 2 shillings to get in.
Sagalout

Hey Metal my 1st game at Highbury was in 1958!
Some of us are still around mate
Sagalout

15 Jun 2013 10:05:47
Park was a strange signing. Player about 3 games and was taken from under the nose of Lille. Km

Scored a great goal in the league cup as well, not really sure what happened to him

At the time many thought it was so we could sell merchandise in Asia.
That seems likely, he was captain of his national team North Korea (Only for a short time) so I guess he was a big name over there?
I'm guessing we made our profit from him and are now letting him go.

North Korea? You mean South Korea. Don't get those mixed up!

15 Jun 2013 13:07:30
think south not north. but I think you are right about motive.

15 Jun 2013 09:41:08
Realistically, our summer is going to see probably 3 first team signings if we currently don't sell anyone. Which may be
Goalkeeper -odds on Caesar but he's being signed as a number 2, and we have other targets

Cdm - everyone is saying Fellaini, but we shall see, love for him to come in but his lack of technical skill and range of passing isn't great but he would enhance our height which we lack in the middle of the park, be a very good signing with him and a Wiltshire in the middle of the park.

Finally a striker, higuain, jovetic, Rooney? Who knows, I'd take anyone at the moment. Someone who adds something different.

However I do see some players leaving like gervinho, maybe on a loan, but still I think a winger will be bought in as a replacement to maintain squad size. Love a bit more pace and technical. Ability on the wing as we reply on theo pace far to much in games I think which is a shame as its so predictable.

I think with another season or two of "rebuilding" if we actually do so, will see huge changes to the squad and a more competence in trophies. Hopefully.

Everyone is saying about how we have so much money to spend, but its time for the board to stop talking the talk but to come out and spend as actions spea louder than words.

Great post I could see wenger going for mertens or fischer, I personally would prefer fischer, massive potential

Bergkamp5353

Don't get much pacier than Ryo who is to come back from loan spell.

15 Jun 2013 09:08:29
Okay let's start with a few facts:

Every poster that knows a. An estate agent b. someone at the club c. Has seen someone at an airport or training ground etc. d. Or knows the agent or the friends dog is talking rubbish. The rumour can immediately be discounted.

Every poster that sets a firm date, time, or deadline to any transfer is again talking rubbish. You do not know better than the press.

Every poster who somehow has some lever inside knowledge of the workings of Arsene's mind or what the club are thinking - well guess what rubbish too.

Every rumour that mentions buying big from bigger clubs is very likely to be rubbish too (small chance that Rooney will prove different but only a small chance). Sorry Barcelona, Bayern, Madrid, United, Chelski, Paris St Germain, City, Dortmund and Juve are all bigger than us right now - if they want they get - we is high in the next tier.

Every rumour therefore about players seriously wanted by any of them, about us capturing a player they are in for is rubbish. Lewandowski? Ha ha you are nuts. The same for Jovetic, El Shaarawy and too many others too many to mention.

In truth I can proudly say I know nothing but at a guess:

It's hard to see Arsene being suddenly do radical, but then again he has led us amazingly through so many years when the money wasn't there. Unlike most lubs and managers without money he has somehow kept us competitive. So super star signings? At a push Rooney as I'm not sure he can stay at United if they make another big signing to go with RVP, and it's hard to see where else he goes except for maybe Chelski or Paris. I doubt it but who knows. Beyond that no superstars would be my guess.

So will he just do another typical Arsene summer? Well my guess is no. But it may be more Arsene than City or Real. So Fellaini looks possible, but my guess is if we got him only another striker would be bought over the current record.

As for that striker well my view is look at the betting - Jovetic no chance, Villa will stay in Spain, Lewandowski no chance, Juve will sign one or maybe both of Higuain and Jovetic, Cavani obviously no chance, all others beyond Rooney would simply be a major risk and not worth the money. So my guess is either the unlikely Rooney or a more typical £12-15m signing who no one is talking about.

Other than that other than maybe one rogue signing out of left field of a talent but currently second tier type player l would follow the betting - Cesar, Williams and Sanogo.

But what do I know?

Ah well summer is here and let's relax as our fellow fans burn up in a frenzy of make believe - and let's crooks our fingers that this will be Arsene's moment and the season that follows e will be the one he so deserves.


The Ghost of Terry Mancini

P. s by the way this might not be a popular thing to say but big up to Peter Hill-Wood, not everything he did or said was perfect but he has been a great long time servant of the club and he deserves our respect and thanks.

15 Jun 2013 09:46:41
Would be very surprised if Juventus buy both because they already got Llorente from Athletico. km

15 Jun 2013 10:47:16
Nice to see you back Mr Mancini,

I'm just hoping to be ever so pleasantly surprised by Arsene this summer. Love the guy but I'm not sure another summer of nothing will go down to well at the Emirates next season.

It's time to step back up into the top group.

" you do not know better than the press"? Are you joking? the press know nothing, they make up storys to sell papers, its their business! granted they probably know more than a few of the people on here, but they are in no way shape or form the oracle of reliable football transfer news. Sorry to burst your bubble pal, but there are actually certain people out there who DO have a bit of inside knowledge, and might know a few things on the quiet. If arsenal are negotiating with mufc for exampe or everton about fellaini, there's no way that it can be kept quiet and kept between 3 or 4 people who need to know, things will and do get out.

Thanks Stoner and totally agree Arsene's moment is now or probably never - this summer is vital. Km agree you are right and I probably should have said that. It feels it will be Jovetic going to Juve, which leaves Higuain as a potential.

I just think United might sign another big name forward, and almost certainly will strengthen midfield. That leaves Rooney well down the pecking order and like many other stars it's questionable he will take that well. If he does leave not many of the top tier clubs would necessarily need him. Yes Paris St Germain and possibly Chelski (but I think Jose will look elsewhere) so we would be in the running.

Higuain will have other suitors. Apart from Juve and again Paris St Germain I would wonder about the Milan clubs. It's entirely possible but I just wouldn't bet on it.

As for the anonymous poster about insider knowledge - well of course there are those that know those that know. The only thing is they sell that to the media they don't post it on noble but comparatively little web sites - no offence to the eds who are brilliant.

The Ghost of Terry Mancini

15 Jun 2013 08:57:11
Would like to see Chamakh leave to free up up another 50k per week. Gilvinho must be pulling 28- 45k aswell . get these two out and the wage bill will be down around 300k-350k a week. This comment is from me not anyone else. With man city now buying two midfielders, don't be surprised to see Nasri leave, maybe PSG. friends on the manager who takes over. Km

15 Jun 2013 09:25:40
Sorry depends on who the manager is. km

15 Jun 2013 07:27:57
i heard that arsenal are waiting for everton's permission for us t speak to fellaini, I think wenger does need to go for him as he would have a huge impact and bolster our idfiled

15 Jun 2013 05:17:03
hi eds i've heard the rumour that the natural history museum are looking at making our board an exhibition!

15 Jun 2013 00:46:19
Squallaci - OFF WAGE BOOK
Arshavin - OFF WAGE BOOK
Denilson - OFF WAGE BOOK (signed by Sao Paolo)
Gervinho - Probably going to Marseille by end of summer
Park - Probably gone by the end of July (Celta Vigo permanently)
Bendtner - Definitely gone by the end of July (Borussia M. looking most likely)
Chamakh - Probably going to be signed back into France by end of the summer


With all of these players combined, we are looking at over £400,000 off the wage bill per week.

(**** YEAH. )


ASEG.