Arsenal Banter Archive September 15 2014

 

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15 Sep 2014 22:49:57
A few people saying Rambo should be rested tomorrow, I understand why but he is for me our most likely goal scorer in such games as this.
Just my view

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15 Sep 2014 22:58:43
Just a bit worried about him.

He seemed off-key against Man Titty, probably due to ankle injury against Andorra, would hate him to miss Dortmund game because he could be our saviour, ala last season, but maybe a good rest will do him good, than unleash him against Villa.

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Like I say mate totally understand peoples reasons but this is potentially the toughest game of the group and with all respect to villa I like to think we have enough without Aaron in that game, famous last words :-)

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I would rest him, he can't play every game and he is trying to get over a knock

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With our injuries I think we will struggle tonight with or without Ramsey. But looking at the CL fixtures beyond today,

Galatasary H
Anderlecht A
Anderlecht H
Dortmund H
Galatasary A

I see 11 points from these games which would see us through.

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Him like Ozil have to play every game possible, as long as they are fit. They can be rested against maybe QPR

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15 Sep 2014 22:39:20
Just a hypothetical question
If you were 20 years old and being tipped as a future star of the game with top teams chasing you, would it put you off joining Arsenal that Joel who had a great world cup can't get close to a game and Mesut is struggling so badly with us?
Try not to be biased if possible

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Understand what your saying G62 but if I can switch it round slightly, would you say a young Costa Rican with a club record of 92 senior appearances ( iv not included his 1 appearance for us ) scoring 13 goals is the Answer?

I think he had an ok World Cup. 2 good games but after that he was exhausted and had little impact. Add to that 1 performance against Manchester United in the CL. But apart from that his record is poor and his loan spells overall weren't great.

I'm certainly not saying he doesn't deserve a chance other wise what's the point in keeping him. But part of me thinks that if he was really going to be a top player the club would have worked harder to get a work permit sooner than it's taken.
I think he will leave in January.

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15 Sep 2014 23:15:25
True story,

I was born and raised a stones throw away from West Ham's ground.

My secondary School was next door to Boleyn Ground, they knocked it down to make the Bobby Moore Stand.

I played as a winger/striker in every year at school, as well as a Saturday and Sunday men's team as a 15 year old.

My School PE teacher, who was also our football manager, told me I was being watched by West Ham whilst playing for my school team.

Long story short, I was invited to a 3 day trial with West Ham but I refused because they were not Arsenal.

My teacher said I was mad because I was very very good, best schoolboy player he had ever seen.

Do I regret it?
No, because I love Arsenal too much.

Do I TRULY regret it?
Yes I do, but that's life.

That doesn't really answer your question but I think a lot of people would choose the team they support.

Personally, if I could turn back time, I would have taken the trial at West Ham, they look after their kids and do the right thing.

My mate Terry's Son had trials at Arsenal 4 years ago (his name is Glenn O'hanlon), he said Arsenal treat them very very well.
If they go abroad to play games, the parents get invited too, and looked after very well.

I think Liam Brady was head of youth development at the time, he spoke very highly of him.

Unfortunately, they let Glenn go and he now plays for Billericay Town.

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15 Sep 2014 23:19:41
Agree Rocky,

I don't know what all the fuss is about.

Poor World Cup, was always off the pace, no stamina.

Great goal against Manchester United in CL, but I have seen Carlton Cole score a cracker, and he is Turkish Delight.

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15 Sep 2014 23:21:29
I tell my son he can start at West Ham due to their history of development - then move to Arsenal

Too many get ditched and go no where

From West Ham - you can still go up!

Just me - a Gooner but also a dad looking out for his son. My prime role is DAD

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16 Sep 2014 16:50:33
Your all talking out of both sides of your mouth.

To slam Campbells goal scoring record yet defend and be excited about Welbeck?

The lad hasn't even had a chance yet. I'm telling you now, he will start against Southampton and he will score against Southampton.

Do a bit of research on him. He has a fantastic assist rate, had a great World Cup for a very poor team and given the chance knows where the back of the net is.

Is he better than Welbeck? Maybe.

Goal against utd was mentioned, look at his goal against benfica preseason! First time in an Arsenal jersey and he had the cohones to take the risk and struck a sweet volley. He also set up Sango in the same match.

If this guy had an English passport, you would be raving about him. FACT.

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15 Sep 2014 21:34:47
C'mon everybody,

Let's start putting a positive spin on things.

There are only 3 unbeaten teams in the league, and we are one of them.

4 games played, players are still finding form and fitness, we are doing well.

We have played Everton away and Man City home, 2 very tough fixtures from our 4 games.

We have also had to negotiate a very tough 2 legged CL Qualifier.

We still have, in my opinion, our best player, Theo, to come back from injury.

Welbeck should adequately deputise until Giroud comes back, than we would have greater options upfront.

Players don't find their feet until 6 games into the season.

We have plenty of midfield/upfront options, although, less so at the back.

Man City are not as strong upfront as last year, pretty sure Aguero will pick up a few injuries this season, and they have no Negredo.

Chelsea look strong, but I think they are like Liverpool with Suarez last season, if Costa gets injured they will struggle a bit.

We have a massive game tomorrow away to Dortmund.
We are in a very very winnable group.

We are in a healthy position.

Chins up everybody, we are looking good.

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Just do as they say Dags well be there soon to rescue you mate, obviously someone's got a gun to your head

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15 Sep 2014 22:33:41
Damn,

I think Wengerism has hacked my PC, lol

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Dags whose the 3rd unbeaten team? I thought it was only us, Chelsea and the Swans, but the swans lost recently to chelsea, so that just shld leave 2 right.

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Aston Villa

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15 Sep 2014 21:27:33
Ed, what are the rules on recalling Jenkinson on loan. Say if Chambers were to sustain a serious or long term injury tomorrow, could be bring Jenks back? Would there be a cancelation fee? Or could West Ham just straight up refuse to give him back?

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{Ed025's Note - its complicated DG, but most loan contracts do have a clause where a player can be recalled if required mate..

15 Sep 2014 17:28:32
It's a miracle, it appears everyone on here is in agreement about something:

Ozil should be played centrally.

I love Wenger. Not one tiny part of me wants him to leave Arsenal. I was born in 88, so it's pretty difficult for me to remember anyone managing Arsenal except him. But nobody is perfect. I just wish he'd come out and tell the fans why he's playing Ozil there. Maybe there's a good reason? I know that he can see it's not working particularly well, because anything people like us can see, I am certain he can see.

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If he is going to play Ozil on the left then why didn't he bring Fabregas back?

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15 Sep 2014 18:46:08
I think we are. Do you really see Wenger changing formation or trying anything new?
When was the last game that we didn't play the same formation and the same way?
Predictable and vulnerable tactics that every opposing manager knows by now and will aim to exploit.

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15 Sep 2014 20:16:08
Like I posted the other day, what worries me about Wenger, is his sheer stubbornness, it wouldn't surprise me if he keeps playing Ozil on the left.

For me, against Dortmund, Podolski/Cazorla left, Sanchez right, Welbeck up top, Ozil in the Bergkamp role.

Wilshere and Flamini/Ox in the middle.

Rest Rambo to make sure he is over ankle injury.

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You've hit the nail on the head G95, Fabregas is in my opinion a better option than Ozil for the Premier league anyway so I would have been happy taking him and selling Ozil.
But instead we play a world class player out of position to the detriment of our side and massively improve a team who were already above us!

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Truth is a awful lot of us seriously doubt Arsene's tactics and selections, I'm sure he couldn't careless what we or anyone else thinks but we would all all love him to restore our confidence in him

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Yes Ozil is playing out of position.
But surely he is a good enough player to put in better performances than he is currently doing.
We do not know if their is a problem with him mental or physical
Maybe he has problems at home his misses may not like London.he needs to sort his former out quickly because I feel some of the faithful will get on his back like what happened to rambling a few years back

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I am tired of reading this stuff, if you people have forgotten wenger has played ramsey on the wing and even at RB, look what that has done to him. Also wilshire has played there. Wenger has said its for player development, which he does as well, which is why still he attracts players because of this kind of development. Its much more, ozil is only going to get fitter and pace and stamina the more he plays on there, it will be just a matter of time before he is back centerally

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15 Sep 2014 21:16:41
Hope you are right Hood.

Personally, I don't know too many managers who buy players and play them out of position, at least successfully.

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Ramsey was maturing as a footballer. Ozil is already there. He must play at the No.10 position or we may as well sell him!

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^^^^^^^^

Player development? do me a favour 60 odd caps and a world cup winner for Germany.

He is proven in his position and it isn't out wide

Come off it

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15 Sep 2014 22:23:16
Bambam,

I replied to Hood's post in a polite fashion (see above), but you just smashed the crap out of his post, lol.

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I think tomorrow Wenger will play Arteta and Flamini with Wilshere in the same role as against city. Ramsey didn't look right on Saturday and Villa away I'd rather he was fit and ready for that.
Ozil will play and I feel like you all do he has to be central. But how do you accommodate that. I would play Sanchez and Welbeck up top but they have to provide the width. Ozil playing like a false 9, the withdrawn forward like dags said the "Bergkamp role". The 3 of them however should be able to swap almost dependant on where Ozil moves. If Ozil goes left then Sanchez goes central for example.
Ozil has to be part of the front 3 so it still gives us adequate defensive cover in midfield. If you include Ozil as part of the midfield we might aswell play with 10 men as his lack of discipline towards defending leaves us so open.

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I'm more polite than you Banbury mate, but your spot on with that post.
Ozil is no up and coming youngster if he ain't up to our standard now he never will be.
Ozil is a great player and we are a great club but sometimes it just doesn't work out

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Oi you southern muppets

I ain't a grunt

My Mother would go mad if she that was the way people speak about me :)

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16 Sep 2014 00:40:45
Sorry Mrs Bambam, lol.

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Well I don't mind that kind of response anyways its banter I love it. Bambam I mean come on when Ramsey was played out of position, he was the captain of his international team, so now?

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15 Sep 2014 17:18:44
Debuchy out for 2 months, wow that sucks. He was looking a really solid player and gave us great attacking threat. Now we are very scarce at the back, only 5 first team defenders and one of them is a very injury prone Gibbs. Potentially having to call upon Bellerin or Hayden is frightening (no disrespect to them). Not buying another CB might really hurt us this season.

Anyways, big game tomorrow. If we avoid defeat it will be a decent start. If I were Wenger, I would play:

Szscency, Chambers, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Gibbs, Flamini, Wilshere, Ozil, Sanchez, Ox, Welbeck.

Bit controversial dropping Ramsey, but he wasnt great vs Man City and clearly wasnt 100% fit. Not worth risking an injury in my opinion. It also allows Ozil to play CAM. Hopefully we can keep Dortmund quiet in first half then see what happens.

Im predicting a 2-2 draw. Welbeck and Podolski

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Monreal hasn't travelled to Germany so they have asked the Tea lady to cover at left back.

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I agree. Sanchez on the left, ox on the right, with ozil just behind welbeck. Wilshere box-box, flamini hopefully disciplined, avoiding doing what he's rubbish at - going forward.

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15 Sep 2014 20:19:22
Pod/Caz left, Sanchez right. Welbeck up top, Ozil in the hole.
Wilshere and Flam/Ox in middle. Rest Rambo.

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Not a bad shout dagger

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15 Sep 2014 15:22:01
Here is something for Dags about zonal marking straight from Merts -- When you play zonal, you need to attack the ball and try to get the best players out and mark tightly when they are in front of you.

So this could work if done right.

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15 Sep 2014 20:23:25
Hi Hood,

That's the problem. We are not attacking the ball. We are standing still and letting the man get a run on us.

When Demichelis scored, they had 4 men in the box, we had 9.

Makes no sense.

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15 Sep 2014 11:44:29
We shouldn't be getting too excited or worried about UTD's win against QPR, remember that QPR made spurs look a better team than they are really.

Also season is unpredictable so far, All the big guns have lost a at least a PL game, Pool, Mancity, UTD(if you want to throw them there) Barring Chelsea and Arsenal. Chelsea look really strong and are toying with their Opponents, we would wait and see if they can keep this up for the entire season. As far as Arsenal are concerned so far so good, the only place I feel we dropped points were away to Leicester, the rest is all good.

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Yes you are right, it was one result. The only problem is when you roll their best players off, falcao, rvp, rooney, di maria, mata you realise while they could still have problems elsewhere in the team how ever big or small. They will be blowing lesser teams away picking up many points. With their midweek rests they will be a massive threat.

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Well its a lot to be seen, titles are won and lost when you can't beat the lower teams, stoke and villa have already done a number on city and pool (that too at home), what about that?

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Also no league cup games. that's at least 7, but probably more likely 10 games less than us this year

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15 Sep 2014 20:27:54
I think we should be worried about them.

Maybe not as title contenders, but they could nick our 4th spot trophy.

Still poor defensively, but any team with Rooney, RVP, Falcao, Mata and Di Maria, have to be a threat.

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15 Sep 2014 10:54:05
maybe I am seeing it wrong or I am just talking bs.

but ozil seems very uninterested, most of his passes were quick short layoffs, nothing creative into the box

he doesn't run with the ball, or have tht defence splitting pass or the through balls in him. maybe he just looked good because of ronaldo and benzema.

or do the current players don't move as fast and run behind the defense for him. seeing a few videos of his madrid era its the same type of short passes but ronaldo/benzema usually end up converting.

would love to understand what went wrong with him. except the obvious being played out of position this year.

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He looked fantastic in the 2010 world cup before he got to Real and I've been a fan ever since, he doesn't look a happy chappy for what ever reason, maybe he regrets joining us?
If for what ever reason it ain't happening by next summer its time to get back what we can and say tata, be that reson Mesut's fault Arsene's or who evers fault it will be a massive disappointment should it happen.

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I can't remember ozil at werder Bremen. but with germany and real he was in teams that dominate and the time spent chasing the ball was very little. remember estiban granero joining qpr? good player but he couldn't cope with the fact qpr had to chase people and close down often. no surprise he moved on. he's not a bad player but he didn't suit qpr or the league

the premiership is a different ball game

atletico madrid have shown where team work and work rate gets you.

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15 Sep 2014 10:06:33
So after Wengers comments that a few have posted about regarding needing a talent like Vieira or Petit, what type would you all prefer because they were quite different players.

Petit the more defensive minded, not as mobile but distribution from the back was pretty good. Obviously he had played CB up until joining Arsenal which helped with the security of the CB's

Or

Vieira, far from an out and out defensive midfielder, he was your heavy weight ( I don't mean that in physical weight ) box to box midfielder who would 1 minute be breaking up play and 20 seconds later he's 50 yards up the pitch getting involved in the attack.

Personally I would go for the Petit style of midfielder due to the abundance of attacking midfield options we already have.

Thoughts?

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Either and I'd be ecstatically happy, but what Arsene says or implies is to be taken with a truck load of salt, until it happens.

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Vieira played with Gilberto who was the defensive midfielder. Vieira played more like Ramsey.

So I have to agree. We need a proper defensive midfielder like Petit.

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15 Sep 2014 08:23:03
Utd will put in a challenge for a top four spot in my opinion that's beyond question, not because of yesterday but because they've improved over the summer have no CL to worry about and rather conveniently no capital one games either.
Until January at the very least they are free to worry about the PL solely.
Chavs will obviously be in the top four and its difficult to imagine city won't as well, I think we are most probably favorites for 3rd and utd Liverpool Everton competing for 4th spot and making life difficult for us if we hit the skids.
I thought before it started it would be
Chavs
city
Us
utd
everton
Nothing so far has changed my mind

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15 Sep 2014 09:04:26
Seriously g62 I don't doubt for a minute that United don't have great strikers but they have to still be in contention come January with big games for them in Oct and Nov.

If they are still in the hunt come January when they can strengthen defensively that's when people can have cause for concern.

Posters seem to be worrying about anything and everything on here lately, there is a huge shadow of almost despondency on here 4 games into the season.

You were the bright spark on this page and no offence at all intended but you are allowing yourself to be dragged down into it.

I watched us score two great goals against the mighty City, I saw Fabregas have a crap first half and Mourinho bail him out by bringing Ramires on, I watched Jon Jo Shelvey waltz through the Chelsea defence and neatly slot one home. I watched the mighty DM Matic give the ball away for Swansea's first goal, And like I said below I watched some quality forwards waltz through a pitiful defence at Old Trafford.

When Sanogo scored four on his own against a pitiful defence no one said jeez that boy is good.

Saturday was the first signs of us getting some form with real positives in Jack, Alexis and even Welbeck but everyone is looking at any negative they can grasp.

Well personally I'm stuck up to my neck in the positive side of things and still believe we'll only be beaten by City for the title.

g62 you're one of my fave posters and I don't mean any offence to you or anyone, it's just how I feel about us and our chances.

It's tough being a Gooner, but me I love it. :-)

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I'm not quite so convinced. They've bought more players in the positions they were already strong and not strengthened properly their biggest problem.

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Fair comments lads, personally I think in terms of PL the no European thing is to their advantage like it was to Liverpool's last season.
I don't think they'll finish above us ( I'd be devastated if they did) but I think they will get stronger as the season progress and they will challenge for top four spot this time round and probably make it too.

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Red I love your positivity mate keep it going and don't let's us drag you down, if Arsene had bought me the DM I asked him so nicely for I'd be up their with you mate, I really would.
I'm not sure if I mentioned it over the weekend? But I'm also a tad dejected by our wasting Ozils talent, did I mention that at all?
Sure I must have :-)

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15 Sep 2014 11:14:58
I know g62, we all wanted a genuine DM and I'm sure Arsene does, he's just a fussy sod.

And he will play Ozil in his preferred spot, it makes no sense not to.

It's easy to get down about stuff and once a few start it spreads, I don't blame anyone but it's like Debuchy getting injured, Chambers can fill in, Debuchy didn't lose his leg, he will be back, Bellerin to me is our next right back, he and Chambers are quality.

Remember Jenks when he filled in for Sagna, he was great but Sagna dropped straight back in. But giving Chambers or Bellerin a chance is going to be a disaster, why?

We can look at the negative side of everything and find a reason why we'll fail.

I didn't want Welbeck but now I look at all his plus points and that Arsene can develop him into something special, if not, move him on, bound to get 10 million for him, so it made sense.

Zigic, now that would have been a struggle. Lol.

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Can't we recall Jenks from his loan at Upton Park to cover Debuchy?

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15 Sep 2014 05:28:11
I think this is a good link to see hiw the pitch is constructed at the Emirates boys.

http://youtu.be/ETrfhSVHOtY

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15 Sep 2014 20:33:11
Good link Golds

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