Arsenal Banter Archive February 16 2017

16 Feb 2017 22:58:52
Are premier league managers contracts same as premier league football managers? I. e. Managers can be sacked but can players be sacked and managers can resign but players can't . I don't understand the difference anyone out there know about this.

16 Feb 2017 23:30:53
Players can be sacked if they violate terms of their contracts.
However without a violation then the termination of a contract would either require the remainder paying up in full, or an agreement between both parties.
You also have to take into account that players are commodities even when performing badly or being surplus to requirements.

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^ I think that should answer most of your questions.

17 Feb 2017 00:26:24
Yes mate it answered all of them cheers.

17 Feb 2017 06:37:50
As a general rule player's contracts are rarely terminated, other than for failure to adhere to it's terms or by mutual agreement. Indeed, most players have a value, so clubs try and cash in by selling the player. In respect of managers, they rarely have a 'transfer' value, as most contracts are ended due to failure. The clubs sacking managers often have to continue paying, unless their is a term in the contract allowing early termination in certain circumstance, for example relegation. However, a sacked manager must mitigate his losses by trying to get a new position and if they take up a new position on the same terms or better, then the obligation of the team that saacked the usually ends.

16 Feb 2017 18:52:27
In the first 10 years at the club we won 3 Pl titles, 4 FA cups, got to the CL final and had 10x top four finishes . the following 10 years gave us 9 top four finishes and 2 FA cups so going on trophies won it evens out to a trophy every other year over a very long period of time not many can match that only Man U and Liverpool of old get anywhere near it. The trouble we have we are in a rut and the last ten years are poor when compared to Wengers first decade, which sad . Has Wenger gone soft? I certainly think some of his signings aren't worthy of Arsenal but if he or the club don't do something soon we will go back to the mediocrity of the mid 70's and early 80's .

16 Feb 2017 19:05:07
Kos and Sanchez apart, would any of our current mob get into invincible team?

Not a chance.

16 Feb 2017 19:09:20
Apologies on I phone.

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16 Feb 2017 19:23:25
Was that a joke ed002 or you being serious lol. Can't be helped that some people may struggle with grammar.

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16 Feb 2017 19:40:43
Your so phunny ed

On eye fone 6 )

16 Feb 2017 20:00:37
No Doubt about it quite a few of the players have let down Wenger badly but he is partly to blame for that for being too soft and too loyal for his own good to under-performing players. Wenger has lost his Mojo and motivational skills to get what is required out of these players, they have been on easy street for too long which has lead to a underlying complacency in games. In the early days don't forget he still had the old school English backbone of players that did not need leadership from the sidelines they were Motivated by the love of the shirt alone.

16 Feb 2017 19:56:36
I have you know I'm already one of the 521 people who do. I'm your number one fan.

16 Feb 2017 20:19:21
I'm not sure there's anyone who could come in and turn the players we have into winners or even make them competitive.
They are Arsenes players and it's Arsene's team but the weakness are the same as they have been for 7 or 8 years now, heavy embarrassing defeats are nothing new to Arsenal, was anyone really 100% shocked by last night? Disappointed certainly but anyone who didn't half expect us to be blown away by Bayern was kidding themselves.
We've seen embarrassing heavy defeats at the hands of Chelsea Utd City Liverpool Southampton over recent years and despite a few names and faces changing our problems remain exactly the same, it's been said 100s of times before but if we keep carrying on in the same old way we are certain to continue to get the same old results, why wouldn't we.

16 Feb 2017 20:24:52
Gunner where have you been hiding, I've been searching everywhere for you, we thought you'd been to one of ravers parties or joined a convent.

16 Feb 2017 20:55:25
Hi Steve mate been working hard for a change :-) been meaning to catch up for a bit now mate but been real busy lately.
Don't know about you but I feel a really sad rather than angry how things are playing out for both Arsene and Arsenal, I know we've both been in favour of change for some time but hope it doesn't get too horrible.

16 Feb 2017 20:55:39
Welcome back G62,
Or shall we call you 'Ozil' because you keep disappearing 😃.

16 Feb 2017 21:23:07
Gunner we both said many times, this could go on until it does get horrible. I don't want that to be the case and neither do you but I can hear that fat lady clearing her throat ready to give us a right old song.

16 Feb 2017 22:12:14
Hi Dags mate I see myself as more of a Bendtner, everytime you think you've seen the last of me I keep popping back up again :-)

16 Feb 2017 22:17:50
That's pretty spot on G62 😃.

16 Feb 2017 11:20:35
Question for you Gunners out there:

If Wenger does go in the summer, what kind of manager would you wish to replace him? A team builder for the longer term, or someone who will come in (ie longer transition, clear out, start again etc - but better foundations) or spend big in your weaker positions/ keep what you have and try to get success straightaway?

16 Feb 2017 12:33:28
Someone who can coach and not just trust players to go out and do their thing.

16 Feb 2017 13:28:19
Agree Steve. But why did that change. Is it just with age or as football has progressed? He never used to be like this.

16 Feb 2017 13:27:56
Both mate! Someone who can come in and make an immediate impact (in 2 seasons) like mourinho will do at united. And stay as long as he's successful (unlike Wenger )

16 Feb 2017 14:27:38
Who would that be for you then?

16 Feb 2017 19:53:50
Thing is even with a bright new forward thinking manager we swill still have a stingy board and owners above him. In my opinion the only way we will compete again at the very top level is a Usamanov takeover and a serious injection of cash. We need to basically do what Chelsea and City had to do and throw silly transfer and wages money out in order to get better players that will actually improve us. While the current board is here we will never attract the players that will improve us.

16 Feb 2017 22:57:22
I think a manager who's not afraid the make wholesale changes to playing staff. We don't even need someone to come in and spend huge money to make that happen as with the amount of players who could potential leave in the summer we'd raise large sums of cash from their departures.

Potentially leaving could be:
Ramsey, Whilshere, Joel Campbell, Debuchy, Jenkinson, Szczesny, Monreal, Chambers. There're also doubts over Ozil, Sanchez and Ospina.

That would reduce the wage bill by a big chunk and wouldn't really affect our squad depth either!

16 Feb 2017 22:44:35
Spuds manager poch. I would do what it takes in turn it would break spurs worth 50 million in his bank account.

16 Feb 2017 10:08:59
Arsenal has money unlike other clubs and you need to spend it to build a better team.

16 Feb 2017 13:09:13
Is that you Sherlock?

16 Feb 2017 08:39:30
Tell me why play Xhaka when he hasn't kicked a ball in anger for two weeks, why give the armband to Gibbs, why play Ospinia in a game of such importance? I know he played ok but play your best team. They should all be playing on Monday, Wenger has gone stale, none of the players fear him, I can't see any respect for him from the players . If the club won't sack him and I understand why give him another job, seven straight defeats in the last 16 is an awful record, as I say each year there is no point finishing in the top four if we have no chance in the CL. At least we might have a chance in the PL . oh no silly me.

16 Feb 2017 09:31:53
A lot of his selections made no sense last night, not playing Welbeck up top so Sanchez could occupy Robbin and help Gibbs. Chamberlain out of midfield. Mystifying.

So I'm not saying this as a rant or moan as I'm not even remotely annoyed by a situation at our club that you really had to be blind to not see it coming. That is not meant to offend anyone because to a degree I've been there.

I have stood by Wenger and been forever frustrated by the lack of understanding of our own fans to his achievements whilst we moved stadium and the then needed financial constraints. He stood by us and the club stood by him. That was how it was. Yes we'd all have loved some kind of trophy in that period but it wasn't to be.

So whilst it was a long trophy less period I believed that once out of that period he would put together another title winning side and when Ozil came on board I thought that to be the start of it. Two FA Cups and a 2nd place finish however gave a false impression we were going places. Any manager can win an FA Cup and 2nd place was gifted to us by the mighty spuds.

Thus I personally felt that Wenger should have gone last year, to simply buy Cech then capitulate to Leicester in the league was unforgivable. To buy Mustafi, Xhaka, Holding and Perez this season when those exact four players were available last season makes it even more unforgivable and in honesty what do you see in a 30+ million Mustafi that you didn't see in a £12 million Van Dyjk. Why if you were looking at Kante before he went to Leicester didn't you buy him then.

Constant talk of mental strength and it's the one thing our team is continually devoid of, constantly rolled over at the slightest set back.

We really have stood by players who showed glimpses of real talent but ultimately are not up to it, mostly our British contingent. We have failed as yet to sign up Ozil and Sanchez, do they know already their demands have not and will not be met, is there an unacceptable offer on the table that means they already know they're off. Why wouldn't that be the case and what does it say. That's aside of what you think of Ozil.

Wenger truly has had ample time since the purse strings were allegedly loosened to show he is still capable and he is clearly a million miles from that.

I believe we are destined to achieve very little, certainly nothing whilst Wenger remains, but very little whilst Kroenke remains. I listened to Robert Kraft on the radio the other day, billionaire owner of the Super Bowl winners, he wants to win, he says he wants to win and clearly gives his club the opportunity to win.

You can dislike Chelsea or Manchester City but the people who own them want to win. We don't have that and that is a huge stumbling block for who ever comes in, HUGE.

It's always a difficult moment when a great has to realise they are no longer a great, one fight, one race or sometimes one game but sadly it's clear Wenger no longer has what it takes. I wish him nothing but good things but it really is time to go. Nothing good will come of him staying.

16 Feb 2017 09:41:50
Good post Stoner.

16 Feb 2017 09:00:54
I though Ospina played well. Atm he is streets ahead of Czech. Wenger is guilty of not assembling a world class squad when the money was available. Even if you pick the best eleven Bayern would beat you. There is so much quality at Bayern. I think you should have bought a world class striker in summer or Jan mate. Some one at the level of Suarez of Costa. Hummels and Martinez are the weakest links in Bayern and you did nothing to test them.

16 Feb 2017 09:45:28
It really is a sorry state of affairs Banbury. I think Wenger will honour his contract and leave in the summer. He can't be allowed to go upstairs the whole set up needs to be reavaluated.

16 Feb 2017 10:00:29
Excellent post stoner.

16 Feb 2017 10:53:21
Great post very true stoner.

16 Feb 2017 12:24:01
Good post Stoner, I have always been pro Wenger but can't really argue with your points and everyone else's for that matter anymore. I struggle to believe that anybody could actually take Van Dijk for £12 million though. I've heard that figure too but it would be a crime for the Saints to let him go for that.

16 Feb 2017 14:03:22
Banbury there is no sense in a lot of what he's doing now. Good post stoner. Tpg ha ha the saints bought van dyke for 12 mil, they'd want 50 for him now. The pount was wenger didn't see it and paid 35 for mustaffi.

16 Feb 2017 06:17:52
We all saw what happened yestI wasn't too shocked tbh. Now is the time for some serious introspection. What is wrong with us:

Coach?
Players?
Board?
All the above?

Am sure they problems everywhere, but which of these is most broken?

16 Feb 2017 09:41:38
An average team getting found out against a good team year in year out. To attain top 4 you don't need a team
full of class only a couple of quality players, CL is a different ball game my friend. Arsenal never built a team for CL.

16 Feb 2017 00:30:43
I thought ospina played well. lol.

16 Feb 2017 07:48:28
Only player who did.