Arsenal Banter Archive October 16 2015

16 Oct 2015 21:09:11
As poor as Chelsea have been this season, I can't see them slipping up at home to Villa. Got a feeling Tim Sherwood could be looking at his P. 45 Sunday morning. Shame if its the case, decent English manager.

{Ed001's Note - decent in what way?}

16 Oct 2015 21:17:25
Yes awful dags, right out the Harry Redknapp school of management.

16 Oct 2015 21:24:48
He's a decent manager Ed. He's young and learning his trade. Call's it as he see's it. When he was manager at Spurs and they got stuffed by Chelsea, he said his players were crap and need to improve. I know managers shouldn't slate their players in public, but at the same time, can't stand managers who wrap their players in cotton wool. If they were crap, say it, like Sherwood did. He also had the best win rate of any Tottenham manager (not difficult I know), since start of Prem in 1992. Ed, I just think you are missing Brendan mate.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but he is crap. A truly dreadful coach with no idea how to manage. Crap tactics and so thick it is embarrassing. He is the kind of decent that is holding back English football. Morons like him get jobs purely because they played the game, while truly decent coaches can't even get badges because they never played professionally. Dags if you really think he is decent, then you know absolutely nothing about Dimmy.}

16 Oct 2015 21:26:17
Teams are returning to the proven article like Klopp and Alyerdice after the younger managers like Sherwood and Rogers have unsurprisingly been shown to be way out of their depth at Liverpool and Vila, the game needs Gary Monk to keep flying the up and coming flag.

16 Oct 2015 21:45:43
Ed, Managers have to start somewhere. I'm not saying he's a top manager, but a decent one. He had a good win rate at Spurs, but as is the trend, English managers are shown the door in favour of Foreign managers. When he took over at Villa, they were deep in the relegation more, but 7 wins out of 13 steered them clear, plus he guided them to an FA Cup final. His win percentage is a lot better than people give him credit for. I can't vouch for his tactics, but he got the best out of Adebayor, something AVB couldn't do, and Benteke, something his previous manager, Paul Lambert I think, couldn't do.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but that is so idiotic to talk about win ratio when he has only managed a few games. There is always a raise in performances when a new man comes in, just ask Sunderland, it is how they have stayed up in recent years. The reason he was shown the door at Spurs is because he is utterly clueless, nothing to do with that racist slant you are putting on it. Best out of Adebayor or Benteke? Sorry but that was not him doing that at all, which was why Adebayor did his usual trick of vanishing after a few good games. Benteke was better for Lambert when he initially came over, so how can you judge how he did under Dimmy when he only had a few games with him? In the same number of games early on Benteke was being touted as a major superstar. I really don't understand why you are suggesting Lambert didn't get the best out of him. It was injuries that saw his form detoriate.

I am sorry but you are just throwing out meaningless stats to support an argument that has no basis. He has done nothing of value, he is where he is because he was a pro, and is beloved of the media because he talks a lot of crap, so he gets talked up. If he wasn't English, he would have got nowhere near the Spurs job in the first place. If he wasn't English, he would have got nowhere near completing his coaching badges. So for you to suggest it is because he is English he was punted is wrong.}

16 Oct 2015 22:08:46
its easy to think someone half likeable is anygood, but sherwood hasn't done anything thus far to proove anything. You have to agree with ed he's crap.

16 Oct 2015 23:29:44
He should of kept them up and left. Same as advocate should of done. Both are impossible jobs long-term.

17 Oct 2015 00:41:06
Not for the right man Derby 😔 Because he would be right.

17 Oct 2015 00:43:25
Villa as a top 7 club is far from impossible and Paul Lambert wasn't that far from it with very restricted resources, in the in end he lost his way and got stuck in a no lose mentality but with a few quid? He's not a bad manager at all just got a little lost along the way.

16 Oct 2015 22:47:37
Ed, Of course you can talk about his win ratio after only a few games. He's a young manager with about 30 odd games under his belt. Of course it's not a lot, I haven't said it is, not compared to the likes of Wenger and Fergie, but he has to start somewhere, like Wenger and Fergie. Racist slant? Come on Ed, I'm not even going to comment on that stupid statement.

{Ed001's Note - no you can't talk about win ration after only a few games, you have to have a large sample or that kind of statistic is just bull. If you know anything about scientific testing etc you would know that you have to have a large sample size. Win ratio is pointless anyway, because you need to factor in the teams faced and the team managed and their comparative strengths and form etc. Have you done any of that, or have you just taken one useless stat and tried to base an opinion on it? Stick to bad jokes because you have no idea about analysing managers dags.

As for the last bit, you were the one accusing Spurs of making a decision based on nationality, which would be racist. Perhaps you should listen less to jingoistic English media and their utter stupidity that is just about appealing to knuckledragging tattooed morons. There is no anti-English bias, there just are not the quality English managers out there. Hell there are barely any English coaches compared to the rest of Europe.}

17 Oct 2015 07:55:52
Ed, So basically, we have a different point of view on Sherwood and you resort to a moronic personal attack on me? The antics of somebody losing an argument. Shame you Ed's can't all be a bit more like Ed025, who expresses his views, but doesn't try to belittle you if they are different from yours. Anyway, let's just agree to disagree.

{Ed001's Note - if you say so, but I am not the one basing a personal opinion on no information, while trying to claim that little amount of info available is proof he is actually good. As for the little digs, at least I can back up what I say, whereas you had nothing to back up your argument. Moronic would be lower intellect, such as not understanding that I was accusing someone of making a choice based on nationality, which would be racist, without any reasoning behind that accusation, but then claiming not to be doing so when it is pointed out. By the way, it is not belittling to point out what someone is doing is wrong, but this is a pc-era and people can't man up and accept criticism these days I guess. Sorry you are so precious, but you should learn about why scientific studies specify large sample sizes rather than getting so defensive about trying to make a statistical argument based on a tiny sample size, especially in a sport with such low scores as football, where it is more common to have unlikely results over smaller periods due to those low scores. If you had just stuck to saying you liked him and rated Dimmy, fine, but you brought out ridiculous stats to try and give a reasoning.}

17 Oct 2015 08:33:06
He took over a team deep in relegation and kept them up, albeit by the skin of their teeth, and took them to an FA Cup Final. Statistically, he has a better win ratio than any other Spurs manager in the Prem League era, again albeit lesser games. I'm not making up stats Ed, these are facts. I'm not interested in an argument Ed, this is your show after all, and I respect that, so let's just respectfully agree to disagree. Bit too early for me to receive personal insults from a keyboard warrior (banter mate).

{Ed001's Note - now that I would agree with, but, as I pointed out, his whole time was improved by the 'new manager bounce' and it is far too small a sample size to take any notice of win ratios etc. It is now that he is actually showing what he is capable of, which is absolutely nothing. Just remember this is the guy caught flytipping at Norwich as every bag had his name and address on them, he is not bright at all. All he does is talk crap to the cameras and remain positive. He is not a manager by any means and he is a truly awful coach. It is a disgrace that he has got two big jobs in quick succession when there are truly decent coaches in the lower leagues that are not getting the same chances.}

17 Oct 2015 08:46:24
Lambert wasn't far off the top7. Ok iv not googled or looked at the stats but I remember Lambert in a permanent relegation battle. Could be very wrong tho.

17 Oct 2015 09:02:58
Well that took a turn I was not expecting lol.

17 Oct 2015 09:15:58
Growbun lol. Il give u that one.

18 Oct 2015 01:39:52
I can't figure out which one of you two has been drinking, but now I need one!

16 Oct 2015 17:02:33
A win tomorrow for me. Hope Sanchez starts.

16 Oct 2015 17:51:16
Sanchez plays for Arsenal derby?

16 Oct 2015 17:54:19
Sanchez play for Man City? 😆

16 Oct 2015 18:57:02
New I'd get that response guys. And you didn't let me down. :). Lots of love Kevin de derby.

{Ed025's Note - your a good sport derby..respect mate..

16 Oct 2015 19:23:06
he is ed and he just loves football football football.

{Ed025's Note - especially KDB..

16 Oct 2015 19:54:00
I thought I took a lot of stick over Remy, but Derby, you top it, lol. All good banter mate.

16 Oct 2015 19:55:17
Kevin Derby Bruyne.

{Ed025's Note - good stuff dags..

17 Oct 2015 09:19:02
Cheers eds25. You know your my favourite eds. As long as I'm alive your a millionaire and even if I die your in my will somewhere.

{Ed025's Note - cheers mate..

16 Oct 2015 00:16:13
Ed001,

I just want to pick up on something you posted on Utd site. Apologies, because I know you boys don't like talking about money, but could you please clarify. I'm going to use ADM as the example. ADM signs for Utd on a 3 year contract. For whatever reason, he is sold to PSG for £50m after 1 year. ADM gets 5% signing on fee (standard practice), but you mentioned the remaining 2 years have to be 'bought' out. Exactly how does this work? Surely, by selling ADM to PSG, they are waving their right to any 'compensation' for the remainding 2 years, as well as getting ADM off their wage bill?

{Ed001's Note - no mate, they have to give them 5% of the transfer fee and pay up their contract unless the player hands in a written transfer request, which is why so many transfer requests go in to make a move happen. Sometimes the player will negotiate a deal to waive some of the remaining money, not always though. Joe Cole going to West Ham United on a free from Liverpool is a case in point. He refused to go without receiving all the money, even though they were letting him go on a free so he could go back to West Ham.}

16 Oct 2015 07:21:27
It's a funny old game :)

16 Oct 2015 07:49:01
I didn't know that. Cheers Ed.

17 Oct 2015 02:26:26
So if a player has a 3 yr contract the buying club has to pay what's left and thestart the new ccontract, or did I read that wrong?

{Ed001's Note - I forgot something, they usually pay signing fees over the course of a contract as well, which has to be paid up in full too.}