Arsenal Banter Archive October 16 2016

16 Oct 2016 22:18:11
Just to clear up the sending off under a rule introduced at the start of the season it is a red card for Xhaka ( according to Sky) it doesn't have to be a goal scoring opportunity anymore, professional foul and your gone.

16 Oct 2016 23:40:36
Yes apparently they have all been told that anyone who fouls with no intention of gettìng the ball is off. Basically a deliberate foul or trip.

17 Oct 2016 08:15:22
100% red.
Made no attempt to get the ball.

17 Oct 2016 12:39:43
Well I thought, like Arsene, he got a toe on it
Harsh sending off,
Clearly made the most of it.

17 Oct 2016 18:39:15
If the team could only match your consistency Welsh we'd be champions of England Europe and most of south America too :-)

17 Oct 2016 23:11:50
Not Xhaka's greatest game, gave a way a silly goal and got himself sent off. However, he is a player I like and he will learn from these events in the unforgiving Premier League. As far as the refereeing goes, I quite like this new rule, as long as the referees are consistent.

18 Oct 2016 12:20:05
He saved a 4 on 2 attack from Swansea, took one for the team, legend!

16 Oct 2016 14:05:27
Interesting shirt sales stats in the Star today

Spurs sold 1/ 3 of the number of shirts we did

Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal about par on 850,000 to 900,000 sales but way in front were Utd at 1.75m!

Our shirt sponsorship should be in line with Liverpool based on sales. Not sure if it is.

{Ed002's Note - That is not how it works. The sponsorship deal is nothing to do with sales of shirts.}

16 Oct 2016 14:10:52
How does the shirt deal with Puma work as well as Emirates?

{Ed002's Note - Puma pays Arsenal a fixed amount for the length of the contract in order to be the kit manufacturer. The money raised from shirt sales goes to the manufacturer, the distributor and then the smallest amount to the retailer, who can make extra adding numbers and names to the shirts. If the club are the retailer (club shop, club website etc.) then they get the retailers cut. The manufacturer (Puma, Adidas, Umbro, Nike etc.) pay the club an amount each year which allows them to manufacture and sell the shirts using the correct logos etc.. That is how they justify the money given to the club. So if you walk in to a high street store and buy a Liverpool or Arsenal shirt - nothing goes to the club. So the income from shirts is fixed to the £xM or whatever Puma, Adidas, Nike etc. pay the club plus a small amount for reselling through the club retail outlets (shop, web).

There are a few clubs that have negotiated different deals with manufacturers (Real Madrid with Adidas and Barcelona with Nike are the two obvious examples) based upon joint reselling ventures.

Emirates is nothing to with the shirts aside from the deal they have with Arsenal as the primary club sponsors puts their name on the shirts. They also have the stadium named after them, their name plastered around the ground on match days, their name on television when interviews are being conducted etc., the loan of players for endorsements and so on. For this, they pay Arsenal handsomely.

Arsenal earn more from their kit deal than Liverpool and I see no reason that the club would want to pick up your idea and earn less. Perhaps Arsenal could alo put their season tickets (the most expensive in the UK) in line with Liverpool's?.}

16 Oct 2016 14:36:13
I might be wrong, but I think about 90% of revenue raised from shirt sales goes directly to the kit makers/ sponsors.

{Ed002's Note - None of it goes to the sponsors.}

16 Oct 2016 14:59:52
Very good reply.

Thanks Ed.

16 Oct 2016 16:24:27
Thanks Ed - I was suggesting that our deals should be on par with Liverpool and Chelsea with the manufacturers as we sell just as many shirts. I didn't realise ours was better with Puma than Liverpools.
Also - great to see us sell so many but Utds sales are ridiculous!
Thanks again.

{Ed002's Note - If you do crave to be like Liverpool and Chelsea would you be happy with Arsenal taking a drop in income from their shirt deal and from their matchday revenue?}

16 Oct 2016 18:44:29
Ed- I thought Utd had a 75m per season deal, Chelsea 60m. Arsenal 30m and Liverpool 25m

So we are above Pool but way behind Chelsea despite shirt sales being similar in volume this season.

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea have a new deal starting next season which is a lot higher. I will say again - it is nothing whatsoever to do with shirt sales. You cannot pick one item out of the sponsorship buck and whine about it unless you are willing to accept Arsenal's income dropping for matchday revenue and commercial income then you should write to the club telling them you crave being like Liverpool. If you think Arsenal deserve more then try and win the Champions League, the Europa League and the Premier League. Arsenal are simply not as attractive as Manchester United and Chelsea to sponsors.}

16 Oct 2016 19:00:13
Ed 002

thanks for the above info.
makes things much clearer:)

COYG andi.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

16 Oct 2016 19:39:35
Kit manufacturers etc want to be associated with winners, everyone boot manufacturer wants the best players endorsing their boots because the kids want to wear what Bale Ranaldo and Messi are wearing.
The successful you are on the field the more attractive you are off it, if we can turn our brand of sexy attractive football into being seriously competitive home and abroad again the sponsors will be trying to out bid each other to be associated with Arsenal.

16 Oct 2016 19:59:51
Thanks Ed - great info and sorry for the additional Qs.

{Ed002's Note - Not a problem and something you may be interested in related to emrging markets - which is certainly of interest to sponsors:

For a while now the stats for fans are based, as you would expect, on the number of fans on social media and that helps provide the demographics for where those fans are based. Top 10 at the last time of asking found Liverpool at number 7 ahead of PSG, Manchester City and AC Milan. Liverpool were just behind Bayern Munich, with Arsenal and Chelsea ahead of them. There was then a significant leap to Manchester United, Real Madrid and, at number 1, Barcelona.

In terms of the more precise demographics for the five Premier League clubs:

Manchester United has the most supporters in both India and China - and given the size of population in those countries it is not a surprise to see them so far ahead. Their support is growing in America.

Chelsea are the club with the most supporters most in mainland Europe, Asia, Middle East, Central America and South America. Their support is growing quickly in America and they will soon be well clear of Manchester United and Arsenal.

Arsenal are traditionally the most followed Premier League club in Canada and the USA and, very significantly, throughout Africa (except South Africa) but the USA support is moving rapidly away from Arsenal and toward Manchester United and, in particular, Chelsea.

Liverpool has the highest number of supporters of any club in the UK, the Republic of Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and is doing well in some parts of Asia. The Middle East is not an area where Liverpool are particularly strong in terms of a fan base. But as Liverpool has the highest number of supporters in the UK it is likely that the strongest areas for them in the Middle East will be where the most British ex-pats are based - so UAE and then Saudi.

Manchester City are not leading the way in any one market but are picking up new supporters faster than any other side. This is a reflection of their success.}

16 Oct 2016 20:49:49
I guess that makes a lot of sense. Liverpool and Utd have a lot of historical support due to their pedigree and success. Liverpool in champs league but more be in the past than present. Utd have had success for a number of years and have promoted their brand exceptionally over the years.
New money and success has been Chelsea ( lots of kids wearing Chelsea tops due to recent successes ) and now City in the EPL.
We really need to get back on the major trophy haul and start doing better in champ league or we will get left behind even more than Utd are doing today to us.

16 Oct 2016 20:32:46
Brilliant info Ed.

Thank you.

17 Oct 2016 06:28:06
Nice to see you back on here even if only for this ed thanks.

17 Oct 2016 21:41:45
Of course the club make a percentage of the retailing fee at their outlets, to suggest otherwise is simply not correct.

16 Oct 2016 05:36:17
Alright lads, me again. Was wondering if you reckon you're favourites to win the title? You're looking very good with lots of different options. I still think city will win the league but I expect you'll run them close. Spurs, Liverpool and City looking good but vulnerable and United will obviously take time but we all know what they're capable of with their team and Jose.

I was also wondering where you lads think Chelsea will finish this season. We've been pretty good the last 2 matches after the defeats to you and Liverpool. If Hazard can get some consistency, our defence continues to improve and Costa keeps banging them in I think we can win the league. However, I don't expect that'll happen. I'll take top 4 for definite (the irony) ;)

16 Oct 2016 08:44:09
Morning fella, I honestly don't see any clear favourites after 8 games, it's all about staying in the mix over the next few months as I don't see anyone running away with it.

You are 3 points from the top and still have a lot of quality in your team so I wouldn't write you out of it at all.

We certainly look more solid and have turned, so far, draws or losses into wins. It's more mentality with us and if that stays as it is then who knows.

City, Liverpool and United all look vulnerable with Liverpool and City looking great going forward. Spurs look good all round but ultimately they're Spurs 😉.

The top 5 right now could well be the top 5 come May, clearly I'd love Arsenal to be top but I couldn't pick an order right now.

16 Oct 2016 10:14:10
I think it's going to be the most competitive top 4 battle for years with Arsenal city Chelsea Utd Spurs Liverpool and Everton all pushing for a place in next seasons champions league competition.
As for actually winning it I think there are 3 to 4 teams capable of that
City have proven winners both on the field and picking the team and directing things from the dugout so to me are favorite's.
Arsenal no question about the quality but until we actually stay the pace over a season and genuinely compete into May there will always be a question over our mentality ( I'm very hopeful this will be the one where we actually answer that question but we need to actually walk the walk again to be taken seriously.
Chelsea players who were champions just 2 seasons ago plus no European games to fit in have to in with a shout imo but at Chelsea it seems to me player power is never far from packing the managers bags for him for one reason or another.
Spurs no question of what Poch has achieved there in a very short space of time but there is a question mark on both quality in depth and mentality so while they can't be discounted I make them the outsiders of the potential winners.
Utd Liverpool and Everton will all chase the top 4 and be more than ready to replace any team or teams who lose their way from the potential winners group.
That's my take on things combined after the 8 games we've seen so far and what I felt before a ball was kicked.

16 Oct 2016 11:01:31
Big thing for us will be injuries and mental state. We must believe we can win it but we must understand that it's not a god given right - so fight for it every game. On top of that we are reliant on Perez being an unearthed superstar. We may come up a little short due to injuries and potentially lacking something real special up front and the wings because there will be plenty parked buses that you need something special to unlock.

City have weaknesses and I still believe Pep has to be tested as a manager. The big thing is the size of their chequebook - if it's not working come December - they will spend spend and spend. I think next season is their season.

Utd - I don't think they are there yet and They have an old immobile striker who will be tested come December.

Spurs - similar to us in terms of mentality but without the squad depth.

Liverpool - good starting 11 but not sure about their manager and getting them to keep their shape. Running round with energy and passion will get you so far but top 3 requires more than that

Chelsea - No European football is a huge benefit. Look what that did to a reasonably good Liverpool side with no depth. They almost won the league and could have if Gerthug had not bottled it and fallen over again at a key moment. Chelsea are still finding their feet yet still in touching distance after 8 or so games. They could be a surprise top 3 this season. Don't forget their special power - blank chequebook.

I would think City, Arsenal and Chelsea top 3, followed by Spurs then Utd

Biased Gooner perspective.