Arsenal Banter Archive September 16 2014

 

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16 Sep 2014 23:39:24
We had a decent window, replaced players who left eg Ospina/Fabianski, Debuchy/Sagna and Chambers/Vermaelen.
Replacement, but not strengthened.

Sanchez and Welbeck represent a good addition to the squad.

We all knew we needed a DM, ala Carvalho and a Centre half, ala Manolas or Ashley Williams ( not the best, but typical Arsenal cheap signings).

So far,
Palace home, scrappy last minute win.
Leicester away, boring draw, unable to hold a lead.
Everton away, determined but lucky draw.
Man City, creditable draw, possibly lucky.

Besiktas away, boring 0-0 draw.
Besiktas home, scrappy 1-0 win.
BD away, lucky to only lose 2-0.

That's 7 games,
2 wins, 4 draws and 1 defeat.

8 goals scored, 8 conceded.

I'm not even going to talk about tonight, you boys have covered it.

Overall, I hate to say this, shoot me if you will, but we are so damn boring.

No cohesion, some players don't know their role or are incapable of doing the role given to them.

We all know, Ozil should not be on the wing.
We are playing every game with 10 men. He is not good enough, fast enough or clever enough to play on the wing.
We have Ox, Gnabry, Cazorla, Podolski, Campbell and Sanchez who can play there.
Play him at no.10 or sell him.

Arteta
Nowhere near good enough.


Play him i

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16 Sep 2014 23:57:41
Sorry, didn't finish above post.

Our biggest problem is Wenger.
Don't want him to leave, but tactically inept.

Can't compete with the likes of Klopp, Guardiola, Simeone, Mourinho, Pellegrino and even Brendan Rogers.

We play the same every game.
Same tactics every game.
Same formation every game.
Players are played out of formation.

We have fast players, where is their pace?
We have wide players, where is the width.

This post was going to be a lot longer, but I'm so peeved off I actually can't be bothered finishing it.

Unhappy Gooner.

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Thing is we never really needed Ozil in the fist place. Wenger just loves collecting central attacking midfielders and just squeezes them all in to the detrament of team shape and balance.

42 million and what exactly has he contributed very little. Playing him out wide like you said is like playing with 10 men, give him a chance in the Number 10 role or sell him basically to free up space for a player we do need.

I would have rather spent that same amount we spend on Ozil on players we did need we could have got a decent Dm and CB for that price or a proper wide man.

We have good technical skilful players just that we have to many of the same type and Wenger just puts them anywhere and this makes our team just so ineffective as whole unit that we end usually relying on a piece of individual flair to win us games rather than good coherent effective team play with a game plan.

Arteta must be dropped, he has just not got the legs to cover that Dm position on his own, until we get a real good DM we need to play two back there to make us a more solid so as not to expose the CB's so much.

Flamini and Wilshire I would go with for now until we can get atop quality one.

Ozil central attacking Carzorla and Sanchez wider left and right but still quite narrow and Wellbeck or Giroud when fit up top.

Use Ox and Walcott instead of Carzorla and Ozil when we Need more pace on the counter when we get leads in games and for me to play deeper in hard away games when we sacrifice possession and play on the counter.

Fullback provide attacking width so both will still get forward a lot but as long as the Two Dm's are disciplined we should be fine.

I think it is a shame about Diaby because I really feel that he could have been the missing link in midfield if it were not for all these injuires. He is a bit diffenet to all the others we have, Power and strength like the old Veira type

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17 Sep 2014 00:44:56
Good reply Ryan.

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What boooooot this spin on it. a 42.watevevr million player wasted out on the wing. what 'bout a 15 mil winger instead? WHO ACTUALLY PLAYS ON TH WING! probly look better than what we got.

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I think ozil is just playing poorly, even out of position he should still impact d game in one form or the other.still doubt he will improve if played in no10 position.
His confidence is low and wenger needs to give hime some.

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17 Sep 2014 07:28:39
Much as I like Arsenal but Wenger should go. I love Mourinho/chelsea much better although am disappointed if Arsenal lose cause my hubby is also sad and moaning the whole game lol.

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Dags that review of results so far is absolutely spot on, we've not had a single good performance this term

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16 Sep 2014 23:38:31
personally I would have brought on joel campbell or super tommy rosicky over santi.

we had quality creative players in abundance and they couldn't create their own fecal matter.

looking at joel and knowing super tom, I think theyd get stuck in more. rosicky always seems to play well vs his old club.

perhaps that's what arsene expected from pod. but we didn't get it.

ox was a good sub mind.

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I agree. I'd love to see both have a part to play against Villa. Transfer windows done now so we can't do nothing to rectify the situation so Wenger needs to be brutal in wielding the axe.

Ozil and ramsey need dropping

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Campbell should start

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16 Sep 2014 23:18:13
one thing I don't understand. We have had a conjested fixture list to start the season, why is it despite average performances we persist with the same XI? chamerlain rosicky cazorla podolski campbell all waiting in the wings would have provided fresh legs and had a point to prove. we play every 4 days currently so rotation is key. The team seems stale and jaded after a month of the season. if players play poorly at any other top club there dropped why not arsenal? why persist with the same XI. he is willing to throw hector bellerin into the back four, yet he won't drop ozil or ramsey for a game to give us abit of pace in the midfield. the midfield lacks a true engine and power. I honestly feel chamberlain needs game time in there. he could be the answer.


wow arteta arsenal captain? from vieria/henry to arteta? worst thing is on paper going forward we have the best team in years yet we struggle past palace drop points to leicester. get lucky at everton and score 1 goal in 180mins against besiktas?

I don't think its personel. its formation and tactics. santi cazorla abs legend in his first season. gets the odd game on LW now

Arsene you stubborn boy sort it out. villa away? a loss there leaves us mid table. and the fixtures hardly get easier.

The away boys at villa park need to make some noise.

Hate moaning, c'mon you gooners let's forget about this. end of the day its a recoverable situation just the performance rings alarm bells. let's show some spirirt at villa park, and watch the reds go marching on!

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There is no tempo in the team. Sanchez was poor by his standards last night but at least he was running trying to sort it. Within 5 minutes Ox had done more than Ozil did in the entire match. I agree give the bench a game and a chance to prove their worth. They'll be hungry if nothing else

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16 Sep 2014 22:58:39
I would trade teams with them in a heartbeat. So discouraging, every team has a game plan for us, and we play the same way every time. They were hounding us forcing us back the whole game. No time in the midfield, for f--k sake hit the ball long once in a while.
We try to play like Barcelona but don't have the player to do that on a consistent basis.
Arteta useless can't we play Ox in that role if we aren't going to buy anyone, strong and has pace. Just a thought.
It looked like every time they got the ball they had so much time on the ball and were cutting through us like a hot knife through butter.
This just amazes me.

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17 Sep 2014 02:50:05
Great shout on the Ox in holding mid. Can't be worse than Arteta or Flamini. Plus, he can break a line or two.

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16 Sep 2014 22:55:40
We were lucky that wasnt a repeat of Liverpool or Chelsea away last year. Display was an absolutely shambles.

1. Arteta is useless. All he offers are 5/10 yard passes, couldn't even do that tonight. No leadership shown at all. He cannot tackle or run, offers zero protection to back four, why play him there?

2. Full backs have no discipline, they disappear 50 yards up the pitch and all hell breaks lose on the counter. Feel sorry for Kos and Mert with Augabumeyang running at them. Could of conceded 3/4 on counter, why does this always happen v big teams?

3. Why do we only have 6 first team defenders? Need 8 minimum. Ridiculous. No competition for places or cover for injuries.

4. Why is Ozil undroppable?

The one positive from tonight? Galatasaray drew.

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Agreed!

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16 Sep 2014 22:43:58
Another rant sorry guys. My thoughts are mertesacker should be a squad player. He looks good from time to time but he causes the team to sit deeper and be in edge I feel. Great man and leader but we need a pacey defender. Subotic i'd break the bank for.

So in jan or the summer we shouldn't sign a back up we need a world class defender

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Mate you have hit the nail on the haad mertesacker is not good enough he's too slow and really clumsy koscielny has to keep an eye out just to cover him we need a more mobile cb tobby alderwield a holding player is a must fullbacks are clueless alba, moreno, alaba are great fullbacks but Gibbs is a joke he never gets forward when he dose he doesn't do nothing Wenger needs a wake up call

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Cheers imired. alderweireld would of been a good signing your correct.

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Totally agree, I said some time back that we really lack pace, Wenger has addressed that further up the pitch, but the so called holding midfielders, ARteta or Flamini are not good enough and definetly too slow, you couple that with Per and you have a problem. It's not just the pace in terms of running, it's turn and sometimes even kicking the ball seems to take Per forever

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16 Sep 2014 22:40:05
Everything fans have been crying out for Wenger to correct came back and bit him on the ARSEnal tonight.

Gutted absolutely gutted

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16 Sep 2014 22:38:34
Reading the posts here and reviewing the post game highlights, it is clear the massive issue is the formation. It seems Aaron and Jack are told to push forward along with the full backs. This puts a lot of responsibility on Arteta. Unfortunately, he's not up to it. He needs an Aaron or Jack alongside to cover his lack of pace, then his passing becomes handy. It also puts Ozil and Alexis out of position. So basically, the 4-1-4-1 puts more than half our midfield out of position and under pressure, needlessly. The Villa game is now pivotal in our season, as it was last season.

I said it earlier, but, we need to go back to 4-2-3-1 with Aaron playing the holding role, which I believe he would dominate. This doesn't mean he doesn't get forward, he just needs to time his runs, ala Schneiderlin, who has scored twice in the holding role. This puts Alexis in an out and out winger role where he excels, it allows Ozil to pull strings in his best position, with the impressive Ox to terrorise the other flank.

As much as I think this is the best change to make, anything will do. However, I have grave fears absolutely nothing will, and we'll get done by an impressive Villa outfit.

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16 Sep 2014 22:34:50
It's September, the season is barely a handful of games old but I'm going to have to be the first one to say it, Wenger has to go.
He has been a huge part of our clubs success and will go down in folklore as one of the greatest managers the club has ever had. Unfortunately time has caught up with him; when he arrived in England he revolutionised the way clubs thought about the game, about nutrition, about ethics and most importantly about economics. Since the departure from Highbury however times have understandably been tough and Arsenal have had to 'settle' for fourth spot year in, year out. As a lifelong Gunner I have grown tired of settling, we have demonstrated we can now compete on a level playing field with regards to finances, we have assembled, largely, a very competitive team and for the first time in a long time can boast some truly world class players without fear of having to sell them.
My frustrations with Wenger go beyond that horrible performance tonight, it's much more serious. Time and time again he has come up short tactically, he is incapable of playing anything other than tippy tally attacking football and plays into the hands of opposing managers. Tonight for example he put a rookie along side Per, who is not the fastest, and put Arteta, who is not the fastest, in the holding role. It was to obvious for Dortmund to put a pacy player through the middle and destroy these three on huge counter time and time again. His persistence with playing Ozil out of position is unbearable. It is widely accepted that he is/was the best no10 in the world so why the hell do you not play him there? If you have to play wide and it becomes abundantly clear he is not performing, why not play another: Cazorla, Ox, Campbell or Podolski.
Our injury record over the years has been glaringly obvious, it was only a matter of time before it happened again. Ok a new physio was brought in which is great but why were there no back up defensive players bought? Everyone on this board and everyone in the stands can see it is obvious so why can't/won't Wenger?
I'm prepared for the stick I am going to get for this post but once again it's the same old arsenal, the same problems and very likely the same outcome in May - a fiercely fought battle for fourth, only I fear we do not have the depth to win the battle this time around.

For the sake of the club, the players, the fans and his reputation he has to go.

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You will get stick. But not from me. The man is a legend, but he's past it now. He gets mullered with his lack of tactical awareness and blindspots time and again. We won the fa cup, which was great, but the chance to boot this club on has been wasted, by his inability time after time to cure the glaring persistent problems and he is holding this club back now. But it ain't going to happen and we are going to have to go with him, he's going to be at the helm a while yet.

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Weve been rubbish in every single game this season. Tonight was a long time coming

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83 I pretty much agree with all of that

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17 Sep 2014 00:08:11
I'm not a 'Wenger out' kinda guy, but your post does make sense.

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16 Sep 2014 22:30:12
If I were Ozil I would go banging on Wengers office door tomorrow and tell him either play me no 10 position or don't Play me.

Would anyone here be annoyed if he went to wengers office and told him that?

I for one would not.

I admire when players play where the manager tells them to play out of position but the poor guy is going to have his carer ruined unless he is played in his best position.

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17 Sep 2014 00:10:04
Agree mate,

I know Tony Adams use to go knocking on the managers door if things were not going well on the pitch.

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16 Sep 2014 22:26:54
If you continue to do the same thing continually chances are you will continue to get the same results.
There's nothing new about tonight, big games big problems exposed.
This time next year will we be talking about how we simply have to get a DM in January 2016, you wouldn't bet your house against it

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16 Sep 2014 22:20:03
How is Özil not fed up yet!

Playing an inconsistent Wilshere and Ramsey in center mid whilst a £42m play maker is being shoved out on the wing, what happens when Walcott returns?

Hopefully Rambo or Jack are benched and Özil is given the 10 role that he NEEDS!

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16 Sep 2014 22:18:41
I don't often post on here, but I feel I need some kind of therapy after tonight's embarrassment.

We got absolutely spanked tonight, make no mistake. 2-0 is flattering; they should have had at least 3, if not 4 or 5 to be honest and it's the result of dreadful tactics and preparation - not just poor transfers.

I see a lot of fans upset at the lack of players brought in in key positions, and this is a problem, granted. But there has to come a time when you look at your manager and consider if he's actually any good anymore.

In my opinion, we are not a much better side than we were 2 or 3 years ago, even though we have spent north of 100m on top quality players. We have stagnated when we're meant to be going forward because we're employing a manager whose tactics are horrendously outdated and who does minimal big game preparation.

We're playing this ludicrous 4-1-4-1 system, with Ozil out wide which is just wasting the talent we have available and constantly make the same schoolboy errors in the big away games. 5-1, 6-0, 3-0, 6-3 and now this 2-0 show that these problems are not just one offs. Wenger is just so stubborn - he needs to wake up and realise that his current system is simply not working, otherwise, get him out and Klopp in.

Get Arteta out of the squad, never mind team, put Ramsey and Wilshere in a double pivot in midfield and get Ozil in the middle with Chamberlain out wide. When we play the top teams away, set us out to just not concede in the first 20 minutes - keep the fullbacks from going forward and make sure at least one midfielder is back in front of the defence. But no doubt we'll see Mertesacker up top next match and probably Frimpong back on a free in January.

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16 Sep 2014 22:15:08
Let the autopsy begin.
We were basically pants and must forget it quick as possible. Dortmund didn't let us breathe, they closed us down and we were not good enough - period! The pace was phenomenal of auyambeng he and the rest of Dortmund destroyed us all over the park. What hurt most was the lack of fight from the arsenal players apart from Sanchez Welbeck and jack we had no bite. We froze on the big occasion.

Szecsney - apart from the one almighty blunder couldn't have done anymore
Bellerin - welcome to the arsenal, he didn't do too bad but was lost earlier on
Gibbs - didn't attack was forced back all the time
Merti - his lack of pace was exposed, thought he wasn't vocal enough, his experience was not used
Kosci- was not at the races, left merti exposed
Arteta - as soon as he is dropped the better, he is the weakness in the team, he leaves the defence exposed and has no pace or power, I'm sorry but he must be dropped ASAP
Ozil - please wenger play him in the middle or don't play him at all, did not make impact
Ramsey- I said in an earlier post he shouldn't have played, looked jaded and not Upto speed, he is carrying a knock
Wilshere - tried to impose himself but was bamboozled by dortmunds hunting down
Sanchez- must be thinking WTF, tried to make something out of nothing was not helped by non existent midfield
Welbeck- had chances, can't knock him for working off the ball, needs a goal

Subs
Ox - should have started, Dortmund looked worried by his pace and made great interception in his own box, was a positive
Santi- couldn't get into game looked lost
Podolski - had one chance

Wenger will obviously have every one calling for his head, but we all know it's our defensive mid issue that is causing all the troubles for arsenal, we need to address it ASAP, play diaby, Hayden, ox anyone but arteta or flamini, because we will suffer many more nights like this if we don't

Game against villa
Szecsney
Chambers merti Kosci Gibbs
Diaby wilshere
Sanchez ozil ox
Welbeck

Chin up my fellow gooners

Hulk Hogunner

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16 Sep 2014 22:11:40
This result has really got me worried. I love wenger but we definitely need a new manager to freshen things up.

We have played Dortmund 6 times in the last 4 years and they have played the same way each time.

They press high up the pitch with numbers, so why the hell was we passing the ball slow in our half. We just played to Dortmund strength. They like dribble at pace, why did we have such large gaps for them to exploit. We shouldve been compact and deep and hit them on the counter. We passed so slow and was so wide open. Even Viera and Campbell wouldn't of made a difference.

For a manager of all his experience that was just pathetic. He needs to stop being so naive and have tatics that stops the opposition. He can't have the attitude of I play the way I want to play otherwise we are going to get ripped to shreds in more big games.

Ozil is offering us nothing on the wings. He can't do a job in that position so don't play him! We have cazorla and rocisky who offer us a lot more.

I know its one result, but we haven't learnt anything from last season. Looks like another frustrating season.

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16 Sep 2014 22:03:37
The scary thing is Wenger will not change it.

Why not give Campbell some game time?

Why not play Ozil in the 10 roll?

Per was awful he does not look interested.

Ramsey needs to pull his finger out.

Ozil enough been said,

Sanchez works hard but his passing is slack, gives the ball away to much.

Welbeck needs to score 1 soon before his confidence goes.

kos Got exposed today.

Ballerin needs to learn the art of defending was often caught to far forward.

Gibbs did ok,

jack tried hard.

Szec made some good saves but I still want to see Ospina between the sticks.

Bottom line Wenger needs to take the blame.

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16 Sep 2014 21:56:08
Anyone thinking of a short break holiday to the deepest Antarctic, I hear Sunday the 5th of October is a good time to go.
Book early demand will be high

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16 Sep 2014 21:53:17
welshgooner where are you the spurs boys are missing you. you were shouting you mouth off a few weeks back how arsenal were going places. now you can't buy a win dortmund embarresd you. just face it you are a joke in europe. don't worry in 2 weeks time the spurs are going to do the same to you lol

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At least we are in it. Don't come on here on the attack when your club can't even reach the required level to be able to face Dortmund.

Your just embarrassing yourself.

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17 Sep 2014 00:25:19
Its OK Ulster,

To be fair, Welsh goes on their page and gives them stick.

What goes around comes around, lol

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I know he does mate. That being said the difference is we have reason to go on their page and poke fun, they don't.

Spurs would have loved the opportunity to get whipped last night

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16 Sep 2014 22:07:09
Tonight might just turn out to be the night that made our season, we can come back from this in this group and still finish top, we lost 0 2 at home to Dortmund last season and came back from it to be in a dominant position with 2 games to go.
This could just be the night Arsene admitted to himself that he needs to change his thinking on selection, formation and tactics.
I wouldn't expect him to admit to anything out loud but even he must know deep inside things need to change QUICKLY and the responsibility is all HIS

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100 percent not finishing top. Deep problems

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The only problem with that is the players needed to change it are not at the club, and this is it would seem down to one person.
Wenger made a huge mistake by not getting the defenders and the cdm we desperately needed, and I'm afraid we could pay a heavy price for it

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IF and I know it's a big IF Arsene were to change all is still possible that was possible in August, more difficult yes but still possible.
IF we change and beat Anderlecht and Galatasturk then Dortmund at home will be the decider, Arsenal 2014 don't beat the big teams because Arsene won't learn but at the moment its not to late

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Mate we're never win it let alone get out of the group.

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16 Sep 2014 21:58:36
I'll hold my hands up for hypocrisy here as I'm about to moan and be negative - many apologies, and humble pie abound - but that really was dreadul and shameful. Why bother hyping up the need for champions league then not bothering playing?

Apart from the obvious blunders as a result of the transfer window, DM and CB, we had at least one player who while good and honest is not CL standard. People so static, I thought the stream had froze when really no one moved off the ball.

Very weary. Like banbury posted, an eye opener. Once again without a DM away, we are going to get crushed away from home. Wenger has to be the most stubborn man on the face of the earth. If this is poker, you just keep putting all your money on without the full set of cards. Really poor.

Podolski was so surprised to be brought on, he had to borrow shinpads. He must feel like a passenger, when reall he's done as much to deserve his spot as any of the others. Sort it out Wenger!

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16 Sep 2014 21:53:27
Just been woken by a text from my son at the Westfalen

Only 3 of our players went over to acknowledge the travelling fans

I'm disgusted by that as it shows how huge the gap is between players and team. I know most players live in a money laden cocoon but, no matter how down they are, such a lack of respect toward the supporters who have made the effort, incurred the cost and been let down so badly is an embarrassment to the club

I really think some backsides need kicking tonight!

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Which 3 mate?

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16 Sep 2014 22:42:16
A very worrying post. This sort of behavior to me, shows a lack cohesion and chemistry. 4-1-4-1 is destroying our team.

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16 Sep 2014 22:02:10
Our mid five of arteta, wilshere, ozil, Ramsey, cazorla all want to play through the middle almost every time one of them wanted to run he was smothered there is no space so basically 2 of there players could mark four of ours. I think wenger needs to change the complete system and upset one or two if need be. Personally I'd drop arteta, ozil, Ramsey and play ox, wilshere and cazorla on recent form then all players know that they need to work harder either to stay on the pitch or to get a start. Alarm bells has been ringing for a while tonight was no surprise. Still gutted though

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16 Sep 2014 21:52:05
Souness is spot on

Wilshire is slower without the ball than he is with it.

I am still lost for words, we are miles away from anything at the minute .

Come on AW let's hear the tosh you are going to come out with

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I'm lost for words too.

We have made absolutely no progress what so ever. We are horrific.

The system is just horrible.

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16 Sep 2014 21:46:04
Just a few observations that became increasingly irritating during that shambles .

1. Arteta displayed no leadership whatsoever and when his passing game doesn't work he offers little else.

2. Ramsey needs to stop believing he is a superstar and the showboating. The lad is about effort, driving the team forward and determination and tonight he showed none of these qualities.

3. Both full backs pushed up too much and left Mert and Kos totally exposed time and time again. Suicidal tactics against quick attackers.

4. Looking the stats (km's run) it clearly demonstrated Dortmund worked so much harder and Arsenal seemed to lack any desire or energy (with the exception of Jack)

5. Although the manager got the substitutions spot on . and the main fault lies with the players . I don't recall seeing him in the tech area showing any desire either!

Annoying. Poor. Predictable.

Onwards to Villa. It can only get better.

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Subbed off the right 2 but too late and I think he should have brought Campbell on instead of Santi.

Ramsey is in danger of turning into Alex Song

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Subs spot on? 60 mins he brings off a player who has been abject turd for every minute he's played.


it was totally predictable, you can set your watch by wengers subs

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16 Sep 2014 22:17:48
Szczensy, Mertesacker, Arteta and Welbeck, does any other top team have a weaker spine.

Does any other top team play their best player out of position.

They are all the answers you need.

Please don't think that any kind of trophy will be arriving at the Emirates this season.

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Yes like I have said Arteta was just woeful to say the least. There were just exposing our CB's constantly and Yes Mert is not the quickest we know that but any CB pairing would struggle exposed like we were tonight with no shield infront of them.

Fullbacks were attacking to much one needs to stay further back when the other attacks, simples. I can't really blame Berllerin too much as his debut and young player in hard game he needed the CB to communicate with him more. he was far from the worst performer tonight.

The thing is with our attacking fullbacks this makes a proper stay at Home top quality DM even more important to give the CB's some protection at all times. Arteta defo not good enough and Neither really is Flamini but we will have to make do with him for now.

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16 Sep 2014 21:46:02
Arteta

" In terms of chances it was even "

LOL

My word doesn't that show something

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16 Sep 2014 22:14:18
Jeff Stelling

"He'll never make an accountant"

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Did he say that?

If he did almost as embarrassing as his performance.

If he truly believes that then we are in trouble.

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16 Sep 2014 21:43:51
2-0 Lucky to get away with just 2 really. Totally outplayed seems like our midfield did not exist were total bossed in there.

Arteta shows he not up to job anymore certainly not in such big games he can't play DM no legs in him anymore gets bullied of the ball slow in possession and often gives silly fouls away aswell. Flamini not exactly ideal either but a rather him in there at least he a bit more physicality.

They were just running straight through us tonight I feel sorry for the CB's getting exposed so much.

We have need a proper Dm with strength and power for ages But Wenger continues to ignore this.

Again Ozil invisible out wide but so was Ramsey, Wilshire had brief moments but not much.

Wellbeck gets in good positions but let down by finishing as we all feared.

I thought Bellerin for his debut did not play too bad really.

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16 Sep 2014 21:45:55
Way to solve this? Simple, drop 4141 and go back to 4231.

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16 Sep 2014 22:09:30
Wenger plays the same formation every game. Embarrassing.
He gets 8mil a year don't forget.

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It way way way more complicated than that. Tactics ability and balance are way off. We are a million miles away mate, i'm sorry to say, I could cry!

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Steve your spot on everytime. Some fans need to wake up and realise what is happening.

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16 Sep 2014 21:37:58
How the hell we haven't been beaten 6-0 I will never know.

Bellerin did ok, Shezza to some extent.

The rest, just move on, so many players were awful.

Wellbeck I guess showed my he has critics on this page.

Ox did very well when he cameon which begs the question why didn't he start, maybe AW thinks he isn't match fit?

I feel sorry for Ozil, if Wenger thinks he can re-design him then dream on. I think it clearly shows Ramsey / Wilshire and Ozil can't all fit in.

The gap between the midfield and the back four was far too big and needs to be sorted.

We were short of pace at the back which is why I thought he might have swapped Per with Chambers .

People, if we play any more games like this I am afraid you will have to expect some VERY HEAVY defeats, which we only just avoided tonight.

Bit of an eye opener for me

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Hi, BG, agreed.
very disappointed. going to be a long season.
COYG andi

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Defo for me as well. Boy that was awful missing simple straight passes, you can't just blame the defense when we pass to the opposition.

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The main problem was midfield is was practically non existent there was no shield in front of the back 4 they were just running straight at us so I have to feel for Mert and Kos. Yes Mert lost is man for the 2nd goal, But overall him and Kos were under huge pressure all game.


Yes fullbacks get forward too much sometime but they have to otherwise we lack width. This is why we need a proper DM even more to cover the CBs so effectively it almost like 3 covering at the back for any breakaways.

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Kos messed up at the first goal. but ffs you know how fast their front line is.why play the high line? With mert there as well.

you can't givevany sane explanation for those tactics

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16 Sep 2014 21:31:50
Against a better team we would've been annihilated 5/6 nil. Or maybe just a full strength Dortmund, missing they're spine today and we're the ones who look spineless.

Disgusted.

Debuchy is the only one that's missing for us.

What our excuse?

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Result was embarrassingly flattering to us

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And to think earlier you said Dortmund aren't the team of 3 years ago. Thank god they weren't it would have been 10 let alone 5/6

In all seriousness I aired concern about the defence a few weeks back and got shot down for my views. Banbury further up this page said about the gap between defence and midfield is far to big and he's spot on. The disappointing thing about that is when you take 3 of our most experienced players, Koscielny, mertesacker and Arteta, they can't sort that out on the pitch between them. NO LEADERSHIP.

Szczesny, his positioning and his anticipation of play for there second goal was shocking. And it's not the first time he's done that where he's pretty much stepped out the way leaving the striker with minimal work to do to slot home. Ospina for me against Villa.

It's still early days and I still think we can top this group but performances and tactics will have to be spot on. Discipline amongst the players will have to be at such a high level now as some experienced players throughout the team are letting us down.

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16 Sep 2014 21:28:05
I don't think I've ever seen such a one sided game where we are on the receiving end. Maybe the chelsea game last year. This is a total humiliation

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16 Sep 2014 21:17:38
I think this performance well and truly puts to bed wether Arteta is good enough. A truly woeful display. I'd much prefer to see Jack and Aaron in a double pivot than Arteta in the holding role.

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Wenger won't drop his captain.

He shouldve been told in the summer there's no room for you in his team, not given he armband. Madness

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Arteta is awful, yet people on here were defending him recently, I am sorry he offers little protection is so slow and anytime we play with him I fear for us.

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16 Sep 2014 21:17:25
Got to say it as I see it.
I think we have played just awful.
Our passing especially in the first half was diabolical.
If I had to choose a man of the match it would have to be
Jurgen Klopp.
Now there is a man that knows his football.

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16 Sep 2014 21:11:53
whoever is watching the game tonight can surely see we are crying out for a cdm they just run poast arteta like he's not there and it restricts the creativity of other players who have to constantly make up for him not doing his job.

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In a bad night for all he was the pitts of it all really. He was just totally anialated. He just has not got the legs more than anything to cope in that position and even on the ball he is too slow pounderous in possesion. Wenger has somehow made him captain so he will now loss face if he drops him.

We need proper Dm desperate in January and until then we will have to make do with Flamini, Arteta has to be dropped. This especially with our fullbacks so attacking the DM position is even more vital. Someone with pace, stamina and power, a beast we need.

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Exactly, he's made our worst player on the pitch captain, its just so ridiculous his incompetence and tactical naivety are almost unbelievable, makes me doubt whether he is still the man for the job when blatent problems like this are never rectified.

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16 Sep 2014 21:11:33
67 mins in. and I have to say. very very disappointing

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16 Sep 2014 21:10:41
Tonight was a prime example of how bad we need a boss in the center of midfield. So much time in the middle, the space in the first half is just beyond belief. It looks like there playing with 13.

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Tonight was a prime example of how we need a boss who is uo to date with the modern game

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16 Sep 2014 22:54:37
Could not agree more, we play the same way every time, so easy to play against. He never changes things up. He does appear clueless maybe he will go out and buy another winger.

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16 Sep 2014 21:10:38
What was wrong with 4-2-3-1? At least we played well in that formation.

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16 Sep 2014 21:10:25
Work means I can't watch this on TV so I'm basing this on the 5live commentary

Sounds like we have been given a lesson by Dortmund . Problem is our side is very attacking and that plays straight into dortmunds hands with the pace they have up front

As I type this Ramsey and Ozil are being replaced by santi and the ox. Have to say Rambo and Ozil are cracking players but right now their form is really disappointing.

Could be worse though, I could be at the Westfalen with my son and the other 3000 who have spent loads to get there and been let down on the night.

I'm turning the radio off and going to kip. At least I know I'll sleep well as arsenal have had all the nightmares going tonight

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16 Sep 2014 20:59:11
How long do we play ozil out of position, and believe arteta is the holding midfielder we need, and survive with such a fragile defence. Does Wenger really believe we have what it takes

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God I hope he doesn't think that we do.

We NEED a holding mid and honestly, Per is enthusiastic but can be such a liability at times, same as arteta.

Need Carvalho and should have bought Manolas as a starting CB.

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16 Sep 2014 20:57:49
I have to say, regardless of the result, which at this point, looks like Dortmund will slaughter us, you have to admire the hoodie manager that is Jurgen Klopp. He is deceptively very astute tactically and he has got a good group of players, importantly playing in their ACTUAL positions. Wenger take note!

Personally, when Wenger goes I would love to see him at Arsenal.

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It changes for me between Robby Martinez and Klopp, Klopp has done amazing things with no budget and replacing star players in the process, IMO he could do wonders with a healthy budget like ours.

Unlike Wenger he isn't so stubborn that he stays with the same tactic because he's to proud, in the build up Klopp said he will change our tactics to suit our squad, if BVB are the weaker team he will play to his strengths and the likelihood of his team winning when playing in a certain way.

Once again we have been beaten by tactics, once again beaten because we didn't buy the players we needed in the market and once again injuries have dismantled our squad. In September.

Shocking start to the season. Congrats to Dortmund on playing a fantastic game, read us like a book.

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16 Sep 2014 20:57:10
Oh well I think we can write this one off, just not in the game atall. At least the hardest game on paper is out the way early

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16 Sep 2014 20:54:36
Individual brilliance gets you only so far.

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16 Sep 2014 20:54:05
#Nightmare

Nothing to be pleased with in the first half.

Second half has started worse :(

Ozil on the wing
*Sheeny cries*

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16 Sep 2014 20:52:37
No reus and no gundogen.

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16 Sep 2014 21:27:29
Or hummels

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16 Sep 2014 20:51:49
So glad I got up at 4am to watch that big steaming pile. Starting to get seriously worried. We were far better last season without the extra signings. What gives?

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16 Sep 2014 20:45:12
Ozil another poor half if this continues carzola or rosicky should replace him

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16 Sep 2014 20:34:51
Can't Wenger see that Arteta is useless? Or can't he see that Ozil is completely being wasted on the wings? Kick Arteta out, play Ozil at no 10 and put ox or campbell on the wings. Wilshere can cover DM!
P.S. even a sunday league team would have done better than this!

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Arteta is constantly showed up as poor in that DM position against any decent team. He is decent passer but lacks drive and power and a bit of pace. We need more athletic physical presence there. I rather use Flamini there but he is not the best either and losses his position sometimes but at least he has a bit more physicality.

Ozil again invisible but to be fair the whole midfield is.

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I believe statistically wenger only sees glringly obvious frailties 3 seasons after everyone else sees it.

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16 Sep 2014 20:34:16
Balls 1-0 half time right at the end of the half. They have been well on top our midfield just not getting hold of ball being outplayed. He are lacking a nit of muscle and power in there.


Decent chance for Wellbeck but he missed. He needs to start putting those sort of chances away in these hard games.

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16 Sep 2014 20:33:17
I wonder if Ozil and Ramsey will come on in the second half?

Oh wait.

Fair play to Dortmund, we have been DOMINATED pretty much from the first whistle. However, Welbeck had a couple of half chances so all is not lost!

I'd snatch your hand off for a draw right now!

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16 Sep 2014 20:18:34
I know u should not really comment during a match but I really is comical at times just how tactically inept we are as a team, I suppose we should just enjoy the ride at times!

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Life is never boring as an Arsenal fan

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16 Sep 2014 19:14:17
Just been watching a you tube vid about derby matches & noticed the motto on Spurs seating 'to dare is to do'. Now I'm pretty sure that the full quote is actually:
'To dare is to do Rodney, to dare is to do'.
Sure Del Boy used it all the time maybe 'Arry had it put up would make a good line for him as well.

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{Ed025's Note - cru de te al a plat!.. :)

16 Sep 2014 20:28:45
You pair of plonkers :-)

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16 Sep 2014 21:01:29
"showmps aleesay" as the french muight say :P

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16 Sep 2014 19:13:26
Hi sub Commander Jin good to hear from you as always mate.
Your not wrong mate my optimism did seem to diminish as the transfer drew to a close without a DM joining us.
I still think we'll be top four maybe three but just can't see us putting in that serious challenge that I long for, I'm not saying win it but be in with a realistic chance at game 35/36 is what I want so badly to enjoy again.
A top quality DM would have been our missing piece IMO.
But hopefully I'll be wrong again :-) and we will do it without that player?

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16 Sep 2014 18:53:34
2-1 win wilshere and sanchez

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2 2 Ramsey and Kos

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16 Sep 2014 17:27:55
Good evening gents. I am going with a 1-1 draw today. Would be happy with that and a win would be phenomenal

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16 Sep 2014 18:58:13
Scrappy 2-0 win.

Sanchez and Wilshere again

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Anything but a win should always be considered A failure if you want to be an elite team.

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JUST K

Sorry mate utter nonsense

There are games that are very difficult away from home.this is one of them.

Draw the away games and win the home

End of

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16 Sep 2014 21:38:56
Hey I was right! :)

*Auto-correct *loss *Immobile *Aubameyang

The right order and everything!

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16 Sep 2014 16:25:40
No Hummel's, reus or gundagon I think we can get an away win 16/5 tempting

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16 Sep 2014 17:36:47
Who's giving those odds? More than 3/1? Dortmund aren't the team they were 3 years ago

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{Ed025's Note - still a good side though sheeny..

Dortmund have bags of pace. Blaszczkowsky, Grosskreutz, Immobile and Aubameyang bring on a savage counter attack

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16 Sep 2014 19:00:43
Absolutely ed. A team I really like with fans I empathise with.

But Arsenal against anyone at 3/1 is value!
I suspect the draw is 10/11

Either way I never bet on the gunners anymore! Always goes wrong

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Immobile is also injured, Aubameyang has pace blisterring pace, but apart from that no gameplay.

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16 Sep 2014 15:09:51
Good afternoon all.

Due to work commitments I have not been in a position to write anything lately although have, of course, continued to read.

Firstly, a hello to everyone, DG, G62, ED025, ED002, all the other EDs, Rocky, Jenny, Greeny, Aussie, Sheeny, Goldboy, 337, Banbury, Sy and anyone else I have missed.

So, my first point. G62 - Where has the optimism gone? It seems you are allowing yourself to be dragged down into doubt about our fortunes this season.

Ok, so our beloved Arsenal.

I for one think we had a fabulous transfer window. I know, I know, we all wanted a CB and CDM but I am pretty sure we went after one player to deal with these two positions in Carvalho but it did not come off in time. For some strange reason, I think we will be getting him in January. Some might think it will be too late by then, but I would not agree. He is the addition we need.

We are undefeated - No mean feat. It has not been as easy a start as some of the other "big" teams have had, and we have potentially dropped points where we shouldn't have, but we have also shown a resilience that is a joy to see.

Man City looked fearful of us, something the big teams haven't been for a few years.

The additions - Debuchy - Looks like he has a warrior mentality - Definitely a good addition.

Chambers - What a bargain. Mature beyond his years. Confident in his ability and a quality utility addition.

Sanchez - Have to love this guy. Does not fear anyone. Strikes fear into defenders. Strong, fast, quick feet, great technician. And what a work rate. Defends from the front and is very direct. His positional sense is also very impressive.

Welbeck - This could be a master stroke by Arsene. He is very mobile, covers a huge amount of ground both forwards and backwards. Defenders fear that and his movement drags people out of position (look at where Kompany was moved about to at the weekend). He will get better and his start has been impressive.

Ospina - Not seen him play for us, but should be a good addition.

Moving forward.

I cannot wait to see Welbeck, Sanchez and Walcott as our front line. When they get used to each other I cannot see any defence that will want to face them. All have pace, all are direct and all can switch positions. The combinations and fluidity potentially available with this front three are mouthwatering.

Ozil - He looks out of confidence. He is being asked to play a role for us on the wing at the moment. I do believe when Walcott comes back he will be consistently back in the centre as Sanchez will switch to the left. With the three upfront then he goes from nobody to hit with pace, or to play into space for forward runs to 3, possibly more options. He will come good. If he doesn't settle, then he may be off. It isn't like we don't have options for the middle of the park is it? But, I think he will come good.

Jack W - I think he realises that he has to be consistently delivering or there are people waiting in the wings for his seat on the bus. I loved seeing the "old" Jack back. He seems to have regained that 5 yards of pace, which helps his confidence and makes him more direct. Long may this continue.

Ramsey - Class is permanent. When he recovers full fitness he will be back to his best.

The Youth - Why do we always worry about playing our youth. Nobody concerns themselves at Real Madrid, Barcelona, etc.

We have real talent coming through - Bellerin, Crowley, Toral, Zelalem, amongst others. If we aren't going to play them, then they aren't good enough so we will get rid of them. But we have worked very hard to keep them and sign them up to new contracts. Let us fill them with confidence if they do play, and let them feed of our positivity. If Bellerin plays tonight, he will do just fine.

Can we win the title. Too early to say. but we will be there in the mix of that I am sure.

Do we have a better team, more options, better balance, better team effectiveness (more round pegs for round holes) - without question.

We will not always get the results we want, but I am pretty optimistic for the season ahead.

We may have dropped points, but we have saved points when we have needed to.

There is a real sense of purpose and togetherness - Something that will be key for the season ahead.

One other note. Anyone seen how much more "confident" Arsene seems? He seems to be confident that we are more "prepared" for the season ahead.

I for one like what I see.

Remember. Our voices carry our team. Negativity from us will shackle them. Positivity will drive them forwards and upwards. We have a duty to them as we believe they have a duty to deliver for us.

So let us believe, not be over confident, be calm, not over critical when difficult moments happen, and most of all show our team that we are behind them as "one" Arsenal.

The mistakes will improve. The future looks very bright indeed.

Have a good day one and all. Back to the grindstone for me and, as always, sorry for the long post.

J

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16 Sep 2014 15:33:02
Jeez what a post Jin!

bit of a battle cry that one!

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16 Sep 2014 15:54:05
Nice post mate!

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Great post JinKent

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We improved a little, never addressed the teams defensive concerns and have failed to win the last 3 games. Wenger had all summer to sign Carvalho, why did he run out of time?

I'm all for being positive with a positive attitude but turning a blind eye when the manager clearly makes a mistake is madness.

We were lacking in quality defensively before the window. We are now lacking in quantity also.

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Ulster, not sure I agree.

Just because we had all summer to sign Carvalho doesn't mean the current team he plays for, Porto, were willing to play ball. Perhaps all seemed that it was going through. None of us know.

We are short on defenders, but that is where we are.

Liverpool have lost 2 games. Man City have lost one.

We are undefeated.

Everyone should have an opinion and everyones is valid. I see positive things at the moment.

Just my state of mind.

J

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Carvalho plays for sporting not Porto.

Regardless of them wanting to play Ball and in actual fact they WERE wanting to sell him, an entire transfer window went by without buying a player for this position.

We are short on defenders because Arsene let go of TV5 without a replacement, Jenks go on loan and even allowed our 4th choice cb to leave on deadline day. What did he try to do to fix this? 10 mins to 11pm Deadline day, he inquires about Natastic and gets turned down. His mistake.

If only Liverpool and City were our only other contenders for the title and the league was won by not getting beat, It would be happy days so far. HOWEVER there is this team called Chelsea mauling everybody they play with the help of a player we turned down because we have the ever impressive ozil among or ranks.

Mistakes have been made before a ball was even kicked, that might cost us the league and that's down to one man.

That's just my 'state of mind'

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Apologies Ulster meant Sporting

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16 Sep 2014 17:51:02
Good read that Jin :)

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Good post and welcome back J

I'm not convinced how far we even got if at all with regards to signing Carvalho. Think it was all paper talk. However we should have had a plan B and plan C with regards to that position.

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Well UG if I remember wasnt Carvalho a player even utd tried to sign but dint get him. We know nothing what happens behind closed doors, and why the deal never materialized. Ever wondered about Higuain, now he can't even play CL football, while Giroud and Wellbeck can.

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16 Sep 2014 20:34:01
Great post, as always Jin.

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You missed the point Hood. Behind closed doors open doors or doors of the hinges WE DID NOT SIGN A CDM

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16 Sep 2014 14:57:25
Dag's is worried about tonight.

Convince me people :-)

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16 Sep 2014 15:30:30
No Reus, Hummels, Gundogan, Kuba -

Alexis vs schmelzer/durm is tasty.

Weidenfeiler has had a few shockers lately

A draw would be acceptable especially with the rest f the champs league fixtures we have - should be almost qualified by the time we next play dortmund!

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We will be fine Dags don't worry, 3-1 to us!

I'm sorry to hear about the recent riots in Dagenham though, early reports suggest thay have caused £10m worth of improvements :-)

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16 Sep 2014 17:58:13
Hehe I like that 337.
you could be right my friend, lol

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16 Sep 2014 18:53:09
We've the easiest group we've had in a few years dude.

Read something that Anderlecht have never one a CL game or at least that they haven't in they're last 20 or something.

Dortmund and Galatasary can be dangerous but they're both on the drop.
Half the teams they were two years ago.

We should get all 9 at home.
3 @ Anderlecht.
Draws away to Ze Jermins/Gala would be fine.

We should def be aiming for unbeaten group run

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16 Sep 2014 13:48:49
So from what I understand here, people are really saying to drop Ramsey, deploy Ozil in the hole, and the Ox on the wing. Correct? For tonights game? But isn't Ramsey too good in CL games to drop, even during his bad run, he still scored and was good.

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16 Sep 2014 14:14:54
'Drop' is a nasty word that implies the player is playing bad.

Prefer the word 'rest' due to the fact he is possibly carrying an injury from the Wales game.

If he plays, great. If not, maybe he deserves a 'rest' and save him for Villa.

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H Agree DG harsh word, but really I wouldn't drop that guy, he is just awesome.

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16 Sep 2014 18:54:46
"Drop" flamini and we can still play all 3 in they're best positions.

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16 Sep 2014 12:16:10
i keep reading people saying don't worry about debuchy being out we have cover.

but our cover is chambers and bellerin. chambers is cover for centre back aswel

we are so top heavy its untrue

i also noticed citys bench on sat they had kolorov mangala and sagna on the bench who are defenders. we only had chambers.

im very worried that our season will unravel very quickly :( why he didn't sign more defenders is beyond me fellow gunners

am I missing something?

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The way I see it Derby is the time has unfortunatly passed where we can strengthen in defence. So we have to go with what we have got and Belerin and chambers are right back options. It could well be a patch work defence tonigh but if so we have to accept it.
As for Man city's bench. I'm sure Sagna loved the view from the bench. He needs to get used to that.

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16 Sep 2014 14:16:29
And from what I have heard, Chambers is injured.

We are in trouble at the back.

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Is there no way we can recall Jenks from his loan with the Hammers?

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We are seriously short at the back

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16 Sep 2014 12:14:51
A friend turned me on to this site and got to say I love it.
Been reading bits here and there for a few weeks but this is the first time I've had a chance to get involved so to speak.
im not to bothered about tonight really I think if Arsene has to
play Bellerin he will do a good job. Last time I saw this boy play he was mustard so i'm looking forward to see him again if he gets the chance.
Well that's my first post let's see what happens from here.

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{Ed007's Note - Welcome aboard.}

And a good first post too. Agree about tonight

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16 Sep 2014 14:17:55
Welcome to Arsenal ARSENAL.

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16 Sep 2014 18:56:55
Have you gotten you're cool gang welcome pack?

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{Ed025's Note - places are limited sheeny..

16 Sep 2014 08:28:40
Looks like chambers has tonsillitis, Rb a real problem now, if this is correct he could be out for a while.

Is there a doctor in the house (greeny?)

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Don't worry we have bellerin. Even though he's only 19 and only played once for arsenal. Also flamini can play their, he might be crap but he can play there

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Not sure what's happened to Dr Green and Jenny they may have ran off together or just taking a breather from the page.
If your reading but not posting Doc and Jenny hope your both ok and all is good with you both.
I guess Commander Jinkent could have press ganged them into one of his long voyages, hope they bring back some cheap booze :-)

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And whos the back up centre back if chambers is out then?

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16 Sep 2014 13:38:52
Ag, I know that was sarcastic but Flamini is not 'crap' and will give 110% wherever you play him, but he is left footed and a capable left back.

It is worrying and if debuchy and chambers were both fit I wouldn't be worried.

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I believe Gibbs is fit now. So Monreal is now backup CB.

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16 Sep 2014 07:38:37
Evidently Nicklas Bendtner has said that his last year spent at Arsenal was wasted.
I couldn't agree more Nicklas. :-)

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Watching him play against Coventry last season, I'm sure he was wasted.

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Same interview, he mentions how Berlin is only a short distance from where he is and that London is his preferred city.

The mans more interested in night clubbing than football.

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16 Sep 2014 07:29:56
Hello gunners!
Man united fan here, good results for both teams during the weekend.Came here sometime ago and talked about how good arsenal team was, fantastic against man city and just like man united, defence might just be a big problem to both teams.
Really worried about ozil, some of you think its because he is out of position, he played for RM on the wings sometimes.Things aren't just working out for him at the moment and its just like kagawa was to us.
Wish you luck tonite and hope welbeck scores.
Cheers eds and every true gunner!

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16 Sep 2014 08:04:10
Hi Rover,
Yes, we are very similar. Good going forward, suspect at the back.
Ozil remains a mystery, one that we hope will get solved soon.
I think you could be right, Welbeck to score tonight :-!

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16 Sep 2014 04:02:31
Rest Ramsey, Play Ozil through the middle, then we'll see if his position is an issue or if he's just playing poorly.

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Totally agree

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16 Sep 2014 08:33:51
Even if he's played where he is supposed to be he;ll need a few games to find form. The man has no confidence atm

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I hear the argument that he should do better even if he's played out of position and that argument does have some legs but we need to get Mesut sorted one way or the other.
Play him in his best position for a 10 game run and let's see what happens, he will either be on his way to becoming an Arsenal legend or be on his way out.
Either way something has to give

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16 Sep 2014 01:23:41
If Ramsey is to be rested tomorrow how much pressure is on Ozil for this match?

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