Arsenal Banter Archive April 17 2013

17 Apr 2013 21:39:42
I have a horrible suspicion that no CDM will be brought in. and Ramsey + Arteta will continue to fill that CM role. As talented as both of them are, a big dench enforcer is needed. I don't care what anyone says. Song was perfect.

A certain reliability and consistentcy is missing. If Wenger really does have a substancial amount of money nothing should stop him buying a top veteran keeper (Adler) and a quality 30 goal a season Striker.

Lewandowski, Gomez, Cavani, Soldado, Higuan, Benzema etc.

Detroit Gooner

18 Apr 2013 07:00:58
That is worrying me too, we've fannied about through two windows failing to get Wanyama or Capoue and knowing we've done that concerns me they'll end up else were.

Stoner

I'm sick of hearing about Song if you want a player who is a cdm and only a cdm go get De Jong

Seriously if you think Song was perfect in the CDM role you really need to watch his last few seasons, his woeful displays I that position was masked by a good assist record, he used to let people past him so easy I nearly ran on the pitch and dragged him of myself.
We got good money for a disruptive and lazy big head who thought the grass was greener, if we want win titles then we need to aim higher than him.

1404

I'm actually a fan of Song but I wouldn't describe him as perfect or a defensive midfielder. I think he would fit in well alongside a defensive midfielder and provide backup as CB so would be good to have in the squad.

I think Songs perfect position is on the bench watching professionals conduct themselves professionally.

1404

17 Apr 2013 21:02:10
Fellaini and Diame to Arsenal would be dream for me. Fellaini to (finally) replace the legends that are Gilberto Silva and Viera and Diame for Diaby. Any chance of this?

Would love diame to arsenal, such a talent! and wasn't his release clause £3.5 million? that's a crazy bargain.

i wouldn't like fellaini though, he's an attacking player now and even though we might put him back at DM I doubt we will get him, there seems to be serious interest in wanyama, and with arsenal's transfer history, its the people with the less news about them who normally join!

i remember arsene saying he doesn't know who cazorla is and that there was no interest in podolski.

Fellaini himself has said he prefers playing as a DM and I think is versatility would make him an even better acquisition for us.

17 Apr 2013 19:11:05
Are we now the most hated side in all of football or something? Only, all I'm hearing from Everton and Spurs fans is that we're 'the biggest cheats in the league. ' We got one lucky call for the corner on Saturday, and one for the Podolski goal.

What I don't understand is; Why are we blamed for the decisions the referees give us? It isn't like we pay them off.

All I see is fans of rival clubs being bitter that we might get top 4 again this year, and they might be playing their European games on Thursdays.

The corner was impossible to tell weather it was or it wasn't and the 3rd was lucky but we were winning anyway

Watford gooner

Everyone seems to forget that the free kick that norwich scored from wasnt in fact a free kick! That was just as bad a decision from the ref but because it went against us, no1 seems to bother mentioning it!

17 Apr 2013 17:37:16
Mate you misunderstood what I said. I said we need a killer-instinct striker, I didn't say Jovetic is one. I said if I had to choose someone from the rumours on this site, I haven't seen any killer-instinct strikers that are linked with Arsenal. Maybe Higuain but how likely is that.

17 Apr 2013 16:59:33
if arsenal were to sign valdez or adler in goal it would be great.

then if we were to buy a new cb as back up or maybe put merte on subs and but that defender with sagna but our defence is playing well.


midfield a massive part for our team but does need to step up. 1st we need a cdm let arteta pull up and it would be great with the mid we have it would be great.

our strike well giroud is a great striker but right now not the best yes its his 1st season but right now we need a player who can net the goal straight I would say jovitic who is reported to come.

then with that team we would win because we are unstopable right now playing great so if we start like this next season wooooww beast of a team.



secret rider

What guarantees are there that Jovetic will come and score 30 plus goals? there isn't he could be just like Giroud in his starting couple of seasons. we need to stop think buying someone will instantly solve our problems it wont, it will just make us stronger as a unit and give us more options

midfield for me is really hard, what do you do? buy a DM and drop who? Ramsey for me is a starter has come on leaps and bounds and really plays he's socks off, Wilshere although out of form again a starter as we seem what he can do for us and he just adds class to the team and drives us forward, Cazorla plays better at the helm of the front 3 as proven yesterday and then there's Arteta and that's enough said already.

I would honestly not have a clue what would be the best formation or midfield combination if you include a new DM as all 4 of them players really deserve to be in the team unless you go diamond midfield but then you lose width and players like Ox, gervinho, gnabry become useless?podolski and Walcott could be used a 2nd STs

Wenger's got a headache on his hands that for sure
dandan

Agreed! We should grab wanyamma while we can he's a monster I love him great player he can play cb is well kill two birds & all that. If wenger really is going to spend big on a player I want him to buy a striker, last night showed that giroud is not good enough to b first choice. I really like him & he's done great in his first season but he really should have scored a couple we are arsenal it's high time we got the right players spent a little more money & show the world we are a force again

COYG!
-Homesick-

Why push arteta upfield when he is doing a great job as dm? We also have plenty of options in the attacking midfielder roles. But I agree that we need an alternative to arteta as dm though. Wanyama would be great.

Bc he isn't doing a great job, he's too slow and leaves us exposed. His skill isn't closing down, it's distribution.

Well the reason I say pur arteta up because as this guy said ^^^ he isn't doing the gretest job. ramsey can be a sub or what ever

secret rider

17 Apr 2013 15:45:53
I'm not going to lay off the Giroud situation, I'm even more angry watching the recording of the last 2 matches

Do people forget we are Arsenal? The club that had Henry?

I would take Bendtner over Giroud. There were times we played Nick as a winger. He had tremendous footwork. Scored some cracker goals. Could Giroud be half the player he was on the ball, no.

He comes in to finish, something we couldn't do even last year. He cannot finish.

We slated Chamakh. If you discount finishing, which people are seemingly doing for Giroud, Chamakh was better on the ball, off the ball and in link play than Giroud will ever be.

Giroud never attacks the ball in the box unless a teammate is as well. He gets caught ball watching. He needs someone to "remind" him what's going on numerous times throughout the game

We credit him for work rate. So this is what it's come to? The club of Bergkamp and Pires is lauding players for work rate? Is this a joke?

Watch how hard Messi or Iniesta play. They play their socks off. They DO NOT play for Barca because of their work rate.

We are Arsenal. Wenger has not bought a striker worthy of leading our line as our permanent number 1 option since Ade left. What I would give to have a striker of Ade's quality on this team. Pace, skill, finishing. Don't delude yourselves folks, you loved him when he was here, all pro athletes are greedy. it's a business

This summer, a top striker, not a converted striker like RVP or just a poacher, but a pure all round world class striker, has to be priority number one. Over GK, over DM, we need a striker.

A club like Arsenal should never struggle to score. We lost mid 2000s because we conceded too much, now it's the opposite. Our defense has been good enough to compete for a title this season. Our attack has simply not been up to par

7 goal score lines against Newcastles of the world delude true stats. In big games, we do not score. City, United, Chelsea. We do not score and our strikers disappear

I'm sick of it

Eds, where is the "disagree". That is the only reasonable option after this comment.

Look at Giroud's stats for the season and compare with others, he's had a cracking season considering this is his first,

Henry wasn't king Henry in his first season! your angry because Giroud isn't RVP he can't do what RVP could do, I think Giroud has been cracking for us upfront, think we still need a WC ST to replace RVP but overall he has been good.

If he scores a hattrick against Fulham you'll be singing his praised and saying how great he is. don't over react on one game or even a couple judge the season as a whole he has offered us another dimension with great hold up play and bringing others into the game

but my GOD does he need to work on his finishing lol
dandan

Well we have him now and we need to keep supporting our players. I am frustrated too, but booing our own players won't make us feel any better.

We can't keep replacing a henry with a henry. The club has its ambitions and the fans have theirs. they align when the clubs shows the same.

right now we want 11 new players. fact is we may get 3 at best and none of them maybe world class.

through thick and thin. head above water first.

Yea big games we don't score? we didn't put two past Bayer or beat Tottenham 5-2 stop over reacting

You lost me when you mentioned Adebayor.

Look. Giroud is a reasonable "back-up" striker, not a main man!
He doesn't move athletically. He runs like Peter Crouch when he does his robot celebration. I'm exaggerating, but seriously he hasn't got that positional instinct that top strikers have. Mobility, speed and athleticism mark these top boys out from the ordinary. Not forgetting marksmanship! Let's hope he gets 20 goals this season, and that he will improve for next. It is quite a jump from French Ligue 1
to the Prem. ( let's face it Gervais still hasn't adapted). Mr. Wenger, please buy quality. This is Arsenal.

I'm sorry but I have a hard time understanding what I'm wrong about

1. Giroud is an awful finisher
2. What did he do against ManU, City or Chelsea?
3. We have a lot of players who can score tap ins but even he doesn't do that well
4. Watch Ade's goal vs spurs and tell me Giroud can do that
5. He has cost us an immense number of points this season and could very well be the reason we miss the CL
6. Henry came from Juventus, Juve were kings of Italy at the time, and considered him class enough to buy. We had Bergkamp to lean on.

If you see Giroud developing footy skills he has yet to possess at his age, I'm mind boggled. This is exactly how good he will be. Perhaps his luck picks up.

But you don't gain instincts or lose propensity to shoot directly at GK overnight. he was the same player in France, a lower league

Giroud cannot lead our line

All respect us gooner after I read "rather bentner than giroud"

Shaneyd

US Gooner I almost stopped reading after Bendtner > Giroud and then definitely did when you said Chamakh > Giroud.

Your post is ridiculous. I agree we need another striker but to say Giroud is not good enough after a great first season return is pathetic. He has run himself into the ground and has had no time to rest as we don't have players to rotate in.

Also US Gooner out of interest have you seen Drogba's equivalent stats or remember the slating Chelsea fans gave him in the first season?

US Gooner, Detroit Gooner, how do the EPL games fit into your weekend schedule.

I am mulling over two proposals, one to go to Alberta and the other is North Dakota. (oil and gas always means the freaking nomad plains await)

just wanted to know time that you guys watch epl, if there are pubs and stuff which are open to Soccer as you call it out there, or what I need to do to get it on tele.

im just asking for north dakota. i'm aware alberta is canada.

{Ed002's Note - Alberta will be a better option. I am pretty sure that North Dakota does not have television yet.}

Alberta it is. hopefully i'm relocated by the time the new season kicks off. I hear winter lasts for 6-7 months. footy season indoors. absolutely look forward to it. {Ed002's Note - Enjoy. Edmonton and Calgary are good, clean cities - should be fun.}

17 Apr 2013 14:09:10
My take on last night.
- back 4 solid, we didn't concede and never looked like conceding
- midfield lacked spark. Wilshere had another off game which to me only says he's not ready. Wenger needs to admit this and get him out of the team, for the players good and for the long term good of the squad.
- aside from cazorla there was again no creativity. A few passages of play showed why Arteta is being told to stay back- midway through the first half he went on a lung busting charge upfield with the ball, which was great- then he lost composure and lost it cheaply to set Everton up for a counter. The other incident that comes to mind was on about 85 mins when he was put through by cazorla with a great through ball, for him to seemingly panick, dawdle and lose the ball.
- Ramsey had a very good game and along with caz shared my motm
- there is no excuse for why Giroud should not have scored at least once last night. I like the guy and I hope next season he improves, but some things you can't excuse for and he had 2 or 3 great opportunities where he needed to be ruthless.

AG

17 Apr 2013 11:47:42
Arsenal to get Gotze in the Summer for a fee of around 30-35m, Arsene ready to splash the cash! We have also been linked with Stevan Jovetic and Ashley Williams. If completing these transfers I sense a successful season next year. COYG!

I think Jovetic will move to City, Goetze to United, Real Madrid or Chelsea in 2014. And who cares where Ashley Williams ends up, he's naff.

Sydney!

17 Apr 2013 10:28:14
morning every 1

i am going to try to explain what I think is the problem with are game and has been all season but due to being sick from too many pints and moroccan happy smokes it may sound like a load of bo ( (0x so bare with me.

the midfield is far to deep. this is due to not having a dm.

we get the ball into the oppositions half and 80% we play the ball backwards because there is not enough support for the attacking side of our game. the midfield should be trying to breakdown play in the oppositions half not waiting for them to attack.

malaga gooner

There is just too much space inbetween our midfeilders, and It does not help when Sagna seems to be holding back from attacking lately aswell to provide a out ball our wide right. Our attacking play often seems overbalanced to the left side, which is making usd easier to defend against.

There was a distict lack of passing options for the player on the ball. Arteta is often too deep and Wilshire and Ramsey to far off him to start the attacks off with any sort of passing pace.

I rather Ramsey be the designated Dm as he has more energy and either drop Arteta to move Cazorla alongside Wilshire or move Arteta further forward where I still think he is more effective. We have not got a real DM and still need a proper one but I think Ramsey would do the best job of our current crop in that position at the moment. Rosicky not being utlized enough either from the bench.

It is clear that Cazorla was far more effective when he moved more centrally late in last nights game. Why is Podolski not starting as he is far more effective in that wide left role. If he Fit enough to be on bench he is Fit enough to start.

Walcott is doing next to nothing lately and I would rather Ox or Gervinho on that side.

Arsenal success under Wenger was always built on quick counter attacking.

Bergkamps apprentice 1

I feel we lack that driving force from midfield, jack is great but he doesn't have the physical strength, we lack the Toure that gets the ball and just goes through every one

and don't no one give m e that Diaby crap!

17 Apr 2013 09:04:43
If last night didn't show how much we require a world class striker then no game would.
We are absolutely desperate for one, if we don't go out and spend some big money on fixing that problem then next season is going to be the same problem, failing to convert chances and turning 1 pointers into 3.
Everton are not a better side than arsenal and should not have looked as comfy as they did last night.
I think we probably only need four players to strengthen that team, World Class Striker, Holding Midfielder, Goal Keeper, and Probably a Centre back.
Anything after that is a bonus but if we can get one in each of them we will challenge next year.
Any thoughts?
Midlands Gooner

Can disagree with any of this. To defend Giroud, I think he is good and has had a good season but he's not great and we need a great striker again.

I would say we need:
World class striker
Veteran goalie
Right back is Sagna leaves
Defensive mid

with either the RB or defensive mid being able to cover CB (as 4th choice).

I think Sagna is the only regular who might leave (pretty sure TV and Chesney are staying).

17 Apr 2013 07:21:35
wenger really makes me laugh, moaning that everton were to physical. I don't know why he's moaning about it, there are physical teams in the league and even though we have some great midfielders we just don't have that big midfield bully that we really need. so buy one in the summer

I think he was trying to make a statement about the ref who let a lot of bad challenges go without a free kick let alone a card. then realised it was getting out of hand and booked an Everton player for a mild challenge.
If he said the ref let them get away with too much no doubt he would get a ban

17 Apr 2013 06:53:46
I don't know why Arsene keeps playing carzola out wide. For me it never works he and the whole team struggle to play well when he plays out wide the whole shape changes. When Grvinho or Podolski play out wide they link up with gibbs but when carzola is there he tries to drift in so gibbs has to maintain the left side by himself and last night was no different. As soon as jack came off and Carzola moved into the middle he was on the ball every time making something happen. Also I think Theo as been awful since he signed he's contract, I know it was he's first game back but even before then he hasn't done much. I would give OX a start on the weekend think he really deserves it and I would keep jack on the bench and start Rosicky.

Charlie Gooner 4 life

17 Apr 2013 01:32:38
Great game tonight gunners both teams played with passion, and really wanted the win but a draw was a fair result. Great club and great fans you gunners are and I wish you the best of luck for the rest of the season. Stef the blue

Right back at ya

noobGooner