Arsenal Banter Archive August 17 2014

 

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17 Aug 2014 23:45:39
Thought Schniederlin was outstanding for Southampton today. Put money on the table they can't refuse Arsene. Get in done before Everton.

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18 Aug 2014 00:29:07
Yes please, would love him at Arsenal.

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18 Aug 2014 07:48:30
Surely, we can do a deal, if AW has interest. That's the big IF though, unfortunately.

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17 Aug 2014 23:24:09
any one else noticed on the arsenal website campbell is not on the list of names you can get printed on the kit. seems like were gunna be letting him go especially if this vargas rumours are true, I really hoped we would give him a chance this year he seems a great player

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18 Aug 2014 01:07:48
Would prefer to keep him Underz, but if not, I hope he goes to another Prem club.

Maybe a team that are not a threat to us, live Everton (lol Ed025).
:-)

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17 Aug 2014 23:18:18
Wow, just been to the Cinema with Mrs Dag's to see The Expendables and seem to have missed all the fun.

Can I just say 2 things please.

1) Little Gunner, there are no cool gang's on here.
Every poster is treated the same, but you seem to believe people are bullying you because they disagree with you.

You referee to me as 'The leader' on here.
No offence mate, but that's rubbish.

Finally, I have no problem with you. I think you are a good poster, with valid points, but you do come across as 'persecuted' because people disagree with you.

C'mon mate, don't be daft.

2) CS

You I have a problem with but let's resolve the problem.

This is what you wrote earlier.

"To be honest it seems to me that Dagenham Gunner is one of the worst at discrediting peoples opinions, but he does it in a sly way by posting later about a subject"

Mate, seriously?

Can you really back that up with evidence?

Even Ed025, who edits this site, disagreed with you.

Can you find anybody else on here who will agree with you?

Just because I disagree with your point of view, it doesn't mean I am discrediting you, it just means I share a slightly different opinion.

Its called banter. It's generally what happens on a banter page.

If you go swimming, do you complain to the manager that you got wet?

Also, if somebody posts something that relates to a previous post, it just means that they are keeping the post going, because the original post is halfway down the page.

For example, if Banbury posts something in the morning, but I don't see it until the evening because I have been to work, and I want to add to the post or want to add my view, than I would make a new post about the original thread.

That's what you do on these pages.

Again, for the benefit of keeping the peace, I do not have a problem with you CS, but at least keep it real and don't make things up about me.

Agreed?

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17 Aug 2014 23:44:03
I see why you're angry Dags but never once have I said I was being bullied, never.
If you re-read it all and still feel I have done you wrongly, then I'm sorry but referring to you as the leader was purely banter, and I made it obvious that it was.
After the original dispute most of the banter has been friendly; including between myself and Banbury, the original two of the argument!

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18 Aug 2014 00:37:43
LG,

I'm not angry about being called the leader, in fact, I take it as a compliment.

But honestly mate, there are no hidden agenda's on here, people don't pick on others, and like I said, I have no problem with you, respect your views, even though they are always wrong (lol).

Peace bruv :-)

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It was quite an argument
on to more serious things
How was Expendables and are the rumors correct that ot was produced by "The cool gang"?

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18 Aug 2014 08:38:59
Lol Rest,

It was quite good mate, comedic in places.

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17 Aug 2014 22:31:36
I don't want to be in anyone's "cool gang". I am a 1 Man Wolf pack.

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17 Aug 2014 23:21:04
Outback,

You have been watching too much Chuck Norris in expendables, lol.

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18 Aug 2014 14:29:44
Australia dosen't need anymore deadly animals dude :P

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17 Aug 2014 21:39:17
Eds what's going in with Manolas and Vargas I'm hearing there both close
Any truth?

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{Ed002's Note - Maybe reading would help?}

17 Aug 2014 21:37:27
Can tomorrows poll be:

Is there too much non Arsenal related sh*ep being posted on the banter page? ;)

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Whats wrong with the word rubbish? my granny says it

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Point noted. dictator 1-0 you

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What is the matter with every one today?
No one's forcing anyone to laugh and enjoy themselves and share in a bit of the fun we have in between games.
Our love for Arsenal binds us all and some of us like to share a laugh too, where's the harm there?

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Mate I've been laughin all day. This is better than Eastenders lol

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Now your exaggerating UG :)

Nothing will beat the Queen Vic :)

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Apologies Ulster mate I got the wrong end of the onion there mate. Sorry

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17 Aug 2014 23:23:02
G62,

Stop causing trouble, lol

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Didn't even notice you were having a go g62 to be honest. Hopefully you's can appreciate the humour I see in grown assed men using playground terminology to insult each other on what is a public forum about a football team

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We'll as it's all kicking off at the moment perhaps I can suggest more non Arsenal banter to keep the peace! How about Starting a thread on the best veggies to grow in your garden, surely we can get agreement on that!

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18 Aug 2014 01:10:51
Lol Ulster and Epping.

:-)

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17 Aug 2014 21:03:39
If you want to be in my "cool gang" you have to find the same avatar as me

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17 Aug 2014 22:14:29
Hey Rocky I just noticed you're handle is Rocky 7. Is that a simpsons reference by any chance?

Rocky V + Rocky II = Rocky VII "Adrianne's Revenge!"

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Haha it could well be. Or it could just be in honour of a favourite Arsenal number 7

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17 Aug 2014 23:24:03
Mr Rocastle :-)

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Correct leader. I mean Loic. I mean dags

No prize I'm afraid

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18 Aug 2014 01:12:00
Lol Rocky.

Behave :-)

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18 Aug 2014 02:21:44
Of course! TV must really rot the brain then!

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17 Aug 2014 20:18:36
Hi Eds, any grain of truth whatsoever in the rumours that Manolas has completed his medical.

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{Ed002's Note - I heard a cough earlier.}

17 Aug 2014 22:15:14
How were his reflexes ed?

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Were you cupping someones ears when you heard this cough ED?

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{Ed002's Note - You need Ed025 who was inside the hut.}

17 Aug 2014 20:37:05
Idea for the next poll Ed.
Are you a member of the illustrious 'Cool Gang'?
No, okay, fair enough.

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{Ed025's Note - the inner circle meet every friday LG, I will put it to the head buffalo mate.. :)

L G how you going to feel if its 99.9% yes and you :-)
Giz a man hug ya silly sausage, course its not just you, there's Runcorn Ron who lives on the other other posts pages too, he's not in the gang, he was but! well best we don't dwell on what he did
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Iam not in it

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Is it true the "cool gang" are part of a secret society like the illuminati

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17 Aug 2014 21:10:03
You meet the day after transfer Thursday? Very suspicious, the plot thickens.

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17 Aug 2014 21:49:22
Witty Wenger is another one of Dags' alteregos trying to lure me into a false sense of security and make me believe I'm not alone, when really I am. ;)

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I like LG :-) sorry to break it to you, that's far to funny, whether you like it or not your in, your one of us now and free to have a go at Dags any time you wish.
Just consider your self captured by the GANG :-)

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Iam no dags

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{Ed025's Note - with a name like "witty" you cant be..

17 Aug 2014 20:33:40
Hey fellas,

Reet and I, thanks to the Eds, will be editing a page for the people in our fantasy football group. This will be a good place for us all to talk smack or strategy as friends even though we hate each other! (joking) Or if you need help because you have the footballing knowledge of Dags, then this is your place!

Hope to see all of you in the fantasy group on there! (Or even if you aren't in it, come on by!)

http://www.player-ratings.co.uk/index.php

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17 Aug 2014 20:30:39
Hey everone, what's the general feeling on manolas. is he a good buy. And where does that leave chambers?

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17 Aug 2014 21:25:48
Well Chambers was signed as an RB, but Wenger admitted after the match yday he was surprised to see him take to the CB role so well.

We still need further cover so that's where Manoloas comes in. But between RB and CB Chambers will see no shortage of games I'd say.

Personally I don't rate Manoloas but if he is to be signed it's as 3rd/4th choice. World Class players don't want to sit on the bench so I don't think he's bad for what we want him to do. Also at 23 he has plenty of time to develop.

Whether he's seen as a long term replacement for Kos/Mert who are 29 and 30 by the end of the September. Manolas at 23 should be hitting his peak as they should be stepping down so we will see.

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18 Aug 2014 01:14:41
Real Madrid have Pepe, Varane and Ramos. Bayern have Boateng, Dante and Javi Martinez. Chelsea have Cahill, Ivanovic and Terry.

Why can't we have 3 top CBs all competing for the 2 starting positions? Manolas seems like a step backwards as Vermaelen was much more capable. I say we try bring in Howedes, Caceres, Miranda, Subotic. Someone of that quality.

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18 Aug 2014 02:28:43
Fair point Detroit but Varane is youngster who only came through last season. Terry is old now and on the way out and Martinez has opportunities more so in the midfield.

Personally I'd love Nasatisc. Bould would have a few years to groom the next great Arsenal defence! Chambers/Nasa :P

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17 Aug 2014 20:20:26
Correct Score Competition week 2 has been updated, Everyone is welcome to join in simply follow the instructions on the comp page, A link can be found at the top of the page.
**please do not reply to this message post any questions or banter on the comp page**

Cheers and good luck

Ed 003.

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17 Aug 2014 20:12:52
Question for you all. And the Eds.
When does the time come when people stop saying a player has potential. Shouldn't we be saying a player has potential up to the point when he starts playing in the first team on a regular basis. It doesn't make any sense to me to say a player has potential when he has started at academy level at a very young age and now plays in the first team and is in his twentys. Potential to me is the learning stage up to the point you reach the first team squad. First team football is not where you learn your trade. This is how I see it. I'm interested to see what people think as I see that this is where there is do much disagreement in people opinions as some people cannot differentiate one from another.

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{Ed025's Note - for me golds, it would be when he was a regular in the side mate..

17 Aug 2014 21:09:00
Waited forever to see Merson fulfil his potential. Never happened and sad as I always hoped he would. One of those players when he got the ball, you stood up as you expected something to happen. But it rarely did. :(

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I agree with that . .controversial but how can people keep saying Jack will reach his potential when he is a regular in the Arsenal XI and a full international, this is as good as he can get. isn't it?

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17 Aug 2014 21:33:00
Golds to me an example of potential would be Bellerin, Gnabry, Zalelem and Crowley.

However I listened to an interview the other day with Robert Pires and his time at Arsenal, it wasn't until here that he learnt his best position and turned into a fantastic player, he couldn't have been classed as potential but then did he learn his trade once in the first team.

The same could maybe said of Henry who was a winger who again guidance from Arsene became the player we all now know.

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17 Aug 2014 21:40:01
Not necessarily Golds. I mean from 16-21 everyone was talking about Fabregas potential despite being a regular all that time and how well he was doing at it because people recognized that there was still more to come.

RVP didn't realise his potential until he was 28.
Koscielny more or less the same. Despite being a regular.
Iniesta was a late bloomer.
Ronaldo despite being a world beater by 23 was heralded for his potential.

It's all about what we expect to come from them by the time they peak. Not how many games they're playing before that.

I sense this question was posed with Wilshere in mind. At the end of the day he's 22. Nobody ever peaked at 22 and there is a LOT more to come from him IMO regardless of how many games he got last year

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The thing is Sheeny I for don't think we will ever know how good JW could be, I posted yesterday that he has only started 39 games in 3 years . Alan Smith mentioned the other day about Jacky boy and his injuries, saying that he releases the ball so late it is inevitable he will get clattered.

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17 Aug 2014 23:33:43
Well there you go guys and girls very mixed views on that one really. Bit of a tough one I suppose. But interesting to learn from which angle people opinions are coming from. You see I'm thinking this is where some of the contradictions and disagreements arise.Some people think if a player has been a regular in the first team he should have reached his potential. Some people think you can be a regular in the first team but if you are still quite young you are still learning therefore you still can have potential. So is it an age issue or an experience one?
If a player is an International regular and a first team regular shouldn't he have learnt his trade? I don't know as there are so many different angles but I do know it provokes a lot of thought.

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18 Aug 2014 12:25:28
He was injured for a full season Banbury. It's not easy losing a full year of development at his age

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17 Aug 2014 19:48:26
Adrien Rabiot shares my birthday, he must be quality.sign him on

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{Ed025's Note - good reason..

17 Aug 2014 19:35:10
Can't understand moans about the performance yesterday. 3 points is never easy on day1. You could clearly see that some players were rusty/not 100% and palace still didn't get a kick. The only thing that concerned me was how small we looked! I had to sit in a mates seat (just above pitch level as a result of a bad back) and it surprised me to see we have a bunch of midgets in comparison to palace. Mr Wenger had a good summer but I without a bit more physical presence we will remain a tad vulnerable against the bigger (physically) sides. To make it a great summer he needs to give us the midfield powerhouse that just about everyone is craving.

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17 Aug 2014 21:45:56
I had know Idea Sanchez was so small. He's very strong all the same but he looked smaller than Cazorla!

I'm not particularly concerned because the Barca team we all love to hate won everything with a midfield avg something like 5"9.

However the physical demands of the prem are much higher as we all know and for me it really made a case for a bruiser CDM. Khedira's (for example) stature would have made a huge difference in that game

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17 Aug 2014 18:56:23
I know Iam not in the "cool gang" but I can post as much as the next person if u don't like what I post keep going down

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Ooooh yes you are!
Witty I think your cool, in fact you remind me of the Fonz, happy days, hey

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"Cool gang"?

Have I missed the chance to join. Il do any funny handshake needed and il sing a song in front of everyone if that means I can be part of the " cool gang".

Peeeerleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaasssseeeee let me in!

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{Ed025's Note - sorry rocky, there are no vacancies at the moment.. :)

I love your posts WW

You carry on matey

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17 Aug 2014 20:01:34
Rocky you a me should start our own gang!

"The ancient society of No Dags's"

:P

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Rocky all you have to do mate is
Shape up at the disco as you think you've got a pull and ask her lots of questions as she hangs on to the wall.
You kiss her for the first time then you take her home, she'll ask you in for coffee as you give the dog a bone.
You say I'll see you later and give her some old chat and every body knows its cool to be a gooner
Cool for Gooners cool for Gooners

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17 Aug 2014 18:24:40
Has anybody seen the video of a bird pooping in Ashley Young's mouth?

Even the bird is trying to tell him something.

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Thing is he carried on chewing it

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17 Aug 2014 20:02:46
"If I had the wings of a sparrow. "

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17 Aug 2014 20:13:04
Do I have to be apart of the cool gang for my elipses's to be posted Ed :P

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{Ed025's Note - yes mate..

17 Aug 2014 21:47:04
Only Ed25 can eplipses (elipses) :P

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17 Aug 2014 18:20:49
Have just heard Brendan Rogers has put in a bid for St.Mary's Stadium so that the Liverpool player's will feel more at home.

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17 Aug 2014 17:56:26
Arsenal Poll of the day ( result so far)

'Are you happy with Arsenal's opening performance?'

10 say yes

8 say no

Interesting.

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Its a difficult one to answer really mate, because we're all happy with the result but would have liked a better performance.
But given its day one its half to be expected

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17 Aug 2014 18:25:32
Totally agree mate.

Onwards and upwards.

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You have to be happy with .'if' one is sensible about it.

No doubt the 8 were thinking of a 5 or 6 nil scoreline.

Just cast your minds back a year. 1-3 disastrous

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18's a small sample, wouldn't read to much into it

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Happy with the results and 3 valuable points.

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17 Aug 2014 18:56:41
Agree Bambam,

If we bumble along like 'Inspector Clousseu' trying to solve a case, and remain unbeaten for the next 6 games, I will be happy.

It takes 5 or 6 games to find form and I saw enough yesterday to be reasonably happy.

We still need another 2 players but I hope/trust Arsene will see to that.

Until than, 3 points from one game is pretty good to me.

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I wonder how many on really remember the GG days when we were the masters of winning ugly, a win is a win is a win.

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17 Aug 2014 17:52:57
Just a suggestion, and its only my opinion.

One game into the season and the 'Giroud is not good enough for us' brigade are out in force.

He has been with us 2 years and has improved.
17 goals in his first year and 22 in his second.

He came from France, has to aclimatise to the pace of the English league, has had his off-field problems (no sympathy) and pretty much leads the line alone, game after game after game.

Of course there are better strikers in the world, but they play for better teams than us.

Let's judge him at the end of the season.

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Plus Dags these better strikers are big big money and big wages .

I wonder if the fans had been asked 2 years ago would you be happy with his goal return and assists the answer would have been thumbs up

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I think Giroud is fine and can't wait to see a front free of Walcott, Giroud & Sanchez.

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I agree that some of the criticism of Giroud has been out of order. He is a good striker, scoring 22 goals last term in all competitions.

However he scored 16 in the league. That is not enough to be classed as the main striker for a top team. We were in every competition last season, with the amount of chances we create, 22 goals is an "ok" contribution.

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Good point made Robbie with regards Walcott, Giroud will benefit from him playing .

I am looking forward to having a fully fit squad to pick from

Alexis, Walcott, ozil, Ox, ramsey, Wilshire .

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I don't think there's any anti giroud brigade. I've not got a problem with giroud, in fact I quite like him. But they're more than entitled to judge him by the end of his second season. That's more than enough time to gain an opinion, and plenty of time to settle in. So to me seems a bit silly to say 'wait until the end of the season' when they obviously waited until the end of last season. I think they're more than entitled to have already passed judgement, even if their opinion is different to yours.

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Yep, agree with that CS .

22 goals ain't bad IMO, he has also has 24 assists in his 2 seasons, that ain't bad either .

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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Sorry to be boring but to also add Giroud played 51 matches for us last season, we relied on him so much without giving him a break.

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18 Aug 2014 12:53:55
CS I agree with you. There's no point judging him at the end of next season. It's time to judge him on last season, but seriously you must have a stick gone missing some where.

Nobody has said the Giroud detractors aren't entitled to they're opinion. Least of all dags.

He made a statement based on his opinion and now we're discussing it. Nobody is challenging anybodies entitlement to express themselves. People are challenging what they express, it's the root of discussion.

I'm not having a go mate but I don't no how you read some of these posts because you pop up with the same statement, lambaste the posters with a view that seems to say you're right to an opinion is being restricted by them and skirt off.
To borrow your term "pathetic"

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17 Aug 2014 17:03:23
Say we have 60m left I'd go for reus Sami k/ carvalho and a striker bcos saNOGOAL is rubbish and giroud won't get 25plus goals a season

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If you think 60,000,000 will get those then you are dreaming

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17 Aug 2014 18:08:04
Ooooh Witty Wenger don't give an opinion on here that is different to the 'cool gangs'.
I'm with you though, I'd go for the same players! And if Khedira is available for £8m then our budget would stretch to all 3 players, as long as the striker isn't ridiculously priced!

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17 Aug 2014 18:31:50
Bit rich Little Gunner as you generally shoot people down for expressing an opinion mate.

We are all a friendly bunch on here, with a variety of view's and opinion's, not all the same, but that's why this page is so good.

Its banter mate which is always nice without sarcastic childish comments.

And, there are no 'cool gang's'.
This isn't primary school fella. Play nice.

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Hey LG chill a bit mate, everyone's answers and questions are as valid and valuable as each others as are peoples right to disagree with them, this site is all about banter be it shared or different.
Just try and enjoy it, things are no where near as personal as your taking them mate
I'm not having a go LG just trying to offer a little perspective, now give us a joke it doesn't need to be funny, ask Dags :-)

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I've also found this only certain people get posted and it's the "cool gang" and if u look further down I was slated for saying we didn't play well

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{Ed025's Note - thats a tissue of lies WW, i do a lot of the editing for these pages, and no one gets special treatment, the only posts that get deleted are abusive or bad language ones...so stop making things up and grow up!..

LG

There is a subscription fee for the gang, it ain't cheap :)

All have an opinion .

x

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17 Aug 2014 19:14:38
It's just an observation. You have a debate with one and then you all come in, outnumber whoever it is that disagrees. And the 'cool gang' remark was banter.
I've only ever 'shot' one person down and that was because the subject was brought up over and over again.
If you have notice, most of Banbury reply have been quite childish, as well. But no one picked him up over them, not sure why? Why not questions Banbury when he has been arguing with several people on here today? (besides the joking comment about upsetting everyone)

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{Ed025's Note - sometimes people dont agree with what you say mate, thats just the way it is, there is no use having a persecution complex over it, if a lot of people are disagreeing with you it tends to indicate you are wrong, not that you are being ganged up on..

17 Aug 2014 19:19:15
haha Banbury, now that's the light hearted funny banter we all love about this site. But sometimes as I previously stated, as well as others I know, feel sometimes the 'cool gang' control the consensus on this site due to power in numbers and people not wanting to go against the respected regulars.

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17 Aug 2014 19:22:04
Can I be in the cool gang?

I never get picked for anything :(

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17 Aug 2014 19:34:23
So Ed25, would you say Banbury was wrong regarding Giroud? Most disagreed with him?
And the main one people disagreed with me on, is Wilshere. On this site Wilshere is the number one villain, but that doesn't represent the majority of Arsenal fans outside of the site, most still love the guy. so are the people on this site wrong?
'Everyone has an opinion, but if the majority disagree with you then it's wrong' Kind of backs up our opinion on the cool gang.

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{Ed025's Note - some did think banbury was wrong LG, but fair play to him he took it on the chin, he did not moan like a little bitch over it!, the jack debate ended up 50/50 i would say so your point is invalid, lets just get back to honest banter and being nice to each other and stop all this cool gang nonsense..

17 Aug 2014 19:38:48
Sheeny, the entrance requirements are to:
1) compliment someone in the cool gang on their post. Eg- Great post that (insert cool gang members name)
2) Agree with the leader, Dags, no matter how much you disagree.
Congratulation you have been accepted :)
(only banter, no malice to anyone involved, especially the almighty leader ;))

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LG

100 lines for you, I was just stating facts, because you disagree it doesn't make me childish, that is pure comic genius from yourself.

I will change my opinion if the facts are there but in Giroud's case I believe I have a good argument.

So I am right and you are wrong












JOKE :)

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LG if someone posted they had a wasps nest in their near side headlight they'd probably get response's.
Some would be inquisitive some helpful and loads would be comical and one or two would ask who he played for and are we in for him.
Witty this stuff about the Ed's posting some peoples posts and not others is beyond belief, why would they?
I've had posts that didn't get posted and yesterday I replied to one of Jenny's post and the thread got pulled, I'd obviously said something the eds thought was unacceptable which is fair comment and we all just move on when this happens, oh by the way sorry Jenny I ruined your post oooops :-)

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LG

Don't worry no one respects me lol

Dags, Rocky and GB all arranged to meet me for a drink I got all ready and they just didn't show.

:)

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G62

That has happened to me, shame lol

It isn't the end of the world as you quite rightly state

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17 Aug 2014 20:24:06
I take your point Ed, and Banbury is over it now and fairplay to him. but you and he cannot deny in the heat of the debate he was getting extremely tetchy and angry. FACT ;)
And the Wilshere debate had a ratio (one for you Banbury) of about 10:1 in favour of giving Jack the Sack at one point!

Hard to keep saying move on from arguments but maybe something to learn from this is. TO NEVER CROSS THE COOL GANG! Joking, everyone should have an opinion and a fair chance to express theirs, no matter how popular you are on the site.

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{Ed025's Note - i think they do mate..

To be honest it seems to me like dagenham gunner is one of the worst at discrediting people's opinions, except he seems to do it in a sly way, by posting later on about a subject and people etc. Tbh, I think this site would be better without the sign of names, so it could all be anonymous without any cliques, because honestly, some of the stuff on here is vomit inducing.

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{Ed025's Note - your entitled to your opinion CS, but i cant say i agree..

17 Aug 2014 21:03:11
That came across wrong, I wasn't suggesting you/the other ed have anything to do with it - by stopping certain posts or by other means.
Just some people feel they can't express their opinion due to fear of being outnumbered by the 'cool gang'.
I think you'll agree, not everyone is as confrontational as I am and some people would rather say nothing at all than argue. And that is just the way some people are, human nature cannot be help, but maybe if the clique didn't ostracise people that didn't feel the same as they do those people would feel like they can express their selves freely.

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{Ed002's Note - I delete posts which are palpable nonsense, trivia, using gangster rap terms I don't understand. Sometimes I dump them to the other page or the dodgy page. Normally I just delete them to cheer myself up. Ed025 is much better at this "bantering with boneheads" or whatever it is you guys do. I am vindictive and generally evil - I am here to keep myself happy rather than you. I hope this clears matters up.}

Yer but you like me though don't you CS?
You don't mean me as well when you say those nasty things do you, nervous :-)
We're friends int we mate, int we though?

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I didn't mean anyone in particular in this instance. Most of the time I can't distinguish between a lot of people.

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17 Aug 2014 16:44:38
Vargas!? ****** Vargas! This has to be some sort of sick joke! He worse than what we already have!

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Scored in the WC for Chile

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If he scored in the World Cup let's buy him then worse reply I've ever heared

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I was just replying to a dumb comment such as he is worse than we already have lol

he has 16 plus international goals in 35 games approx., he can't be that bad.

Obviously you rate Sanogo very highly

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Your missing my point Banbury. Do you not agree we need to stop messing around with stop gaps and go out and buy the real deal now! Cash is there to be used.

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17 Aug 2014 18:17:35
Bambam,

Are you upsetting everybody today? Lol

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I understand what you say BUT is he really that bad?

It would be a clever move getting a mate of Sanchez over here to help him settle down, he can have the squad place of Sanogo or Diaby.

He scores goals at full International level, he isn't the muppet some think he is .

we can't splash 40,000,000 + at every player

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17 Aug 2014 19:35:08
I think you're being a bit unfair valley.
Ozil and Sanchez certainly aren't stop gaps. In fact the only stop gaps I can think of are Santos who at the time who at the time of signing was in Brazil's first team and Kallstrom who was brought in mid season.

As for other who had they're critics on arrival Mert, Kos and Arteta I'd say they turned out quite well.

Like Banbury said we can't splash unbelievable amounts on every area. We've done well this window with the possibility of another addition and next summer I suspect we'll continue in the same vein as next year.

We aren't City or Chelsea who've spent over a billion between them.

But we are the mighty Arsenal and we're starting to show it again

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Seriously, this stuff is getting ridiculous. The lot of you are taking 2 and 2 and making 5, and then going off with your rubbish when someone was simply expressing an opinion. Pathetic.

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Vargas would be a great signing, incredibly fast, can play on both wings and upfront. Basically the Chilean Remy, who doesn't fail medicals. He would also get on great with Sanchez, and help both of them settle in faster. The prefect cover and impact sub for Giroud.

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17 Aug 2014 22:23:06
What exactly is pathetic CS?

Commenting on the post has opened a discussion. That's what forums are about

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17 Aug 2014 15:43:27
Yesterday we struggled to beat a team without a manager, today Liverpool struggled to beat a team without, well a team basically!
Reasons to be cheerful No. 27

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Keep it up g62!

I have a massive hangover today and your post made me laugh.

Unlike Dags' jokes! If they ever class as that.

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17 Aug 2014 17:14:57
g62 you made me laugh with your reply down the page re Pogba when you said if he signed you'd even buy Dags book of Joke. Lol.

Which ONE do you think he'd put in it. ;-)

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He would deffinately use one of someone else's Jenny, well he would if he wanted it to be funny :-)

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17 Aug 2014 17:36:21
You lot leave my jokes alone lol.

Speaking of jokes.

When I was a kid, you could walk into a corner shop and get a can of pop, bag of pic 'n' mix, a frozen jubbly and a comic.

Now? Bloody CCTV camera's everywhere.

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Any one looking gift ideas Dags is bringing out two books this Christmas.
Dags greatest jokes I've ever read
and
Dags greatest jokes I've ever posted.
Something for every one there, those you love and also those your not quite so keen on

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17 Aug 2014 18:10:38
G62,

I'm bringing out a special one for Christmas that you can give to your mother in law.

If that doesn't keep her away than nothing will mate :-)

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Dags the album?
Long a long a Dags :-)
With hits such as
Remy Remy Remy's our man after Christmas

And that great Bee Gee classic
I started a joke

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17 Aug 2014 15:10:13
So the opening weekend highlighted a few things.

I was at the game yesterday and was watching the new buys especially closely.

Apart from one missed pass, I thought Calum Chambers was absolutely outstanding. Forget right back or defensive midfield, he was brilliant as a centre back. Reminded me of a raw Tony Adams. He will be a legend for us.

Debuchy was good. Solid down the right. Nothing spectacular but gave a good performance. Assist for Rambos winner!

Alexis looked a bit off the pace (which is to be expected) and he showed some excellent touches. Great free kick assist for Koscielny's goal. He looks a brilliant player and once he gets off the mark with a goal he will fly!

Overall we very poor and Palace played their game plan out almost perfectly. For me, it highlighted that we still lack a few players but this result showed we can win ugly and if we are to challenge on all fronts, we have to be able to grind out results. If we can do this against the big boys then even better.

With Manchester United losing, Everton drawing with newly promoted Leicester, Liverpool scraping 2-1 (after 80mins) against Southampton, it just goes to show how important results like yesterday are.

Moving onto the big game on Tuesday, we can safely say Gibbs won't play and Koscielny is struggling with his Achilles but should be alright. It'll be another tight game and I expect a victory before we move onto another huge game away at Everton.

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Good post Greeny.

We have some big big games coming up. If we are undefeated by October 6th then that would be a stunning start to the season

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Everton away
Leicester away
Man City home
Spurs home
Chelsea away

If we're undefeated after all that then it will be a minor miracle! Not an impossible dream but definitely separate the men from the boys in the title race!

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17 Aug 2014 19:42:16
Think you could be a premature on the Chamber/Adams front but definitely looking like money well spent. Half the price of Shaw and probably a third the wages!

Undefeated by then would put us in good stead alright! Especially because our difficult fixtures are by and large spread out after that

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Sheeny, I meant that he reminds me of Adams with his no nonsense defending. He's got a long way to go to BE on the same level as TA.

Still, he's make a nerveless and solid start to his hopefully long and successful Arsenal career.

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17 Aug 2014 20:44:23
Ya I'm amazed at how he's slipped in. Albeit it's early days but he hasn't looked out of place so far

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17 Aug 2014 15:04:13
W- you made quite a few points in your post, some of which I have some level of agreement with - bu to me yesterday Arteta was much better than either Jack or Santi and Monreal played pretty well- he would make a god midfielder (Sammy nelson style)

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When someone runs at Monreal he has no idea what to do. He shows everyone inside even when they are left footed. He has to learn to show players down the wing if the are left footed. It's pretty simple, you learn it as a school boy!

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They don't teach that in Spain G95.

Tiki taka and all that!

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17 Aug 2014 19:45:07
I want a defender first and foremost in my fullbacks but Nacho was impressive going forward though.

I think he gets a lot more stick than he deserves. Especially as a second choice LB

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17 Aug 2014 14:11:19
Victor Wanayama is solid today at Anfield, maybe worth a punt? Cheaper fee and wages than Khedira aswell. Plus premier league experience.

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Cheaper and not nearly as talented. If you want quality in this market, you'll have to pay for it.

Remember that Diaby once ran the show at Anfield.

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Not for me. Wanyama is decent but not good enough IMO.

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The old way of thinking mate.

We can afford Khedira and the likes of Carvalho so we should go for them. Wanyama is a decent player but not champions league quality.

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17 Aug 2014 16:13:02
Big fan of Wanyama but he's not the finished article

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17 Aug 2014 19:46:31
Disagree with that akie. His performances for Celtic in the CL 2 seasons ago are evidence of his quality. Especially against Barca

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17 Aug 2014 14:01:41
According to RMC Sport PSG has given to Adrien Rabiot the permission to discuss with Arsenal.
I don't if he's ready for the premier league yet, but he's certainly a solid prospect.
Could you Eds confirm this rumour?

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{Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

17 Aug 2014 16:15:28
I've never seen him play but looked him up. 25 league apps for PSG last year and 6 Champs league. Not sure how many were subs or not but for a CDM at 19y/o that's solid experience.

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17 Aug 2014 13:24:55
Is there any chance we sign Reus?

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{Ed002's Note - UTSF.}

17 Aug 2014 12:38:29
Ed 002, any truth in the rabiot and magnolias rumours?

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{Ed002's Note - Bobby Weir used sing real sweet versions of Sugar Magnolia back in the 70s.}

17 Aug 2014 16:18:53
More of a Jerry Garcia man myself Ed :P

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Their just good friends J, the rest is just that, rumours

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17 Aug 2014 11:53:18
So I watched 90% of the match yesterday, and the only part I missed was Koscielny's goal (great header from him!) but the rest of the game was pretty solid.

Get my negative view out the way first;

Zonal marking is just awful.
How we continue to use it is beyond me, it accounts for so many of our issues at set plays.
Man marking has to be the way.
Why was 5'8 Sanchez marking Hangeland?!
Get Kos or Chambers all over that!

Secondly, we looked very sloppy, wasteful passing and giving away possession.
That needs to stop now.
However, it was first game of the season and people are bit lethargic, so we'll give it a few before judging that again.

Sanogo, he needs to go on loan, to an EPL or championship club.
He isn't currently good enough to be a starter or even back up for us right now.
He does try very hard, but when I saw him starting over Joel, I was already disappointed.
I like his effort and determination, but he's still very raw, he's played so few games in the past 2 years, with us and Auxerre, whereas Joel has been a regular at all loan clubs.

LB is an issue for me.
Rose tinted specs off, Monreal isn't a top class defender and Gibbs isn't either.
Whislt Gibbs is certainly better than nacho, he's consistently injured
I really think it's time we let one of them go and looked into signing someone with a bit more quality.

And finally, Arteta for me looked so out of it.
His captaincy was a shock and annoyance for me, even though he was currently vice captain at the time.
It also makes me think the DM dream is already over and that (possibly) Manolas will be out last signing.
Arteta does give his all and is a decent bloke, but he's just not up to standard now.
He really shouldn't be in the first team.

Positive time now!

Chambers looks a superb buy.
Top class.

I can't remember off the top of my head, but that's his first competitive game at CB and he had like 6 interceptions, 100% pass accuracy and tackles won, won all his headers.

He looks the real deal, and he can only get better under the influence of Kos and Per.

Sanchez.
I love the guy already.
Yes he was very wasteful and seemed on a different wavelength at times.
But those step overs. we never get the step over-y (that's a word now) players!
Not to mention the no look back heel and the balancing the ball on his chest.

His work rate was impeccable, when he did lose the ball (a few times) he always tracked right back, got stuck in, he's physical, he's tough, and correct me of I'm wrong, but he got an assist with the free kick?

Secondly, Özil is going to love him.
A lot of Özil's 'issues' (the media make
Him sound awful, he wasn't at the level a £42m player should be, but for his first season, I think he was actually pretty good) were down to not having mobile targets to aim at.
Giroud's basically a tree, Walcott was injured most of the season and Ox got played in centre mid.

When Walcott is fit, I reckon we'll see Sanchez LW, Giroud CF and Walcott RW.

The mobility there will be a field day for Özil.


Ramsey looked sharp, a few sloppy moments, but looks like he's ready to get back where he left off!
Wilshere also looked up for it, driving runs and good vision.
If he could just reach his potential, those two would be unbelievable together.

Debuchy looked strong too, though his defending lapsed a bit, chambers and Kos cleaned up well.


And Kos.
What can I say.
That moment of Szczesny madness, he blocks the ball from the shot and then gets straight back up to slide into another tackle to deny Chamakh.
And scored!

After I made this point last time, ed025
Pointed out he believes distin and Jagielka are better, but what the hell, I'll say it again.
Per and Kos are the best CB pair in the league!


And I think that about wraps it up
For me.

Peace'

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Hangelaand was in the second row. You can't efficiently man mark that. He knows where he's going to run, the defender doesn't. You can't man mark that at all.

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17 Aug 2014 12:43:30
Damn fine post mate.

Not too sure I would consign Slick Mik (Arteta) to the scrapheap, but pretty much agree with the rest.

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17 Aug 2014 13:09:48
I agree our zonal marking is debatable and I don't like it. However apparently according to SS. Last season we conceded the least goals from set pieces. So they must be some reason we do it

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17 Aug 2014 13:44:39
D16 is right. Half the goals we conceded last year came in the three games against Liverpool, City and Chelsea. Those goals for the most part came from players running directly at the defence, and the problem with that is the lack of CDM to screen most of those runs and shield the defence

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Mate I don't know what match you were watching because for me Ramsey had a poor game and Arteta was one of our better players.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree ulster...even rambo admiited he was poor..

There's a lot of jumping on bandwagons at the moment, especially about Arteta. It's odd, because a lot of what people have said about him, it's just contrary to what I see in games when I'm there watching him.

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17 Aug 2014 11:48:42
Was some very poor performances for the standards of cazorla, Ramsey, alexis and wilshere. But we stuck together even when things weren't working, even though we were playing poorly, we made sure we came out with the three points and all we can do is push on from now

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17 Aug 2014 11:22:35
Have been surfing the net in attempts to find out which of the available defensive midfielders we may buy. Fruitless task.

Easily 95% is just rubbish so who knows in reality.

We've been linked with Khedira which Arsene says isn't true, I'm one who would have liked Carvalho, but just reading a variety of reports saying he is similar but not yet as good as Spyder, others saying he struggled against the better clubs last season but he is a prospect with a chance to become a top player.

Same was said about Wanyama last year in links with us and he had an up and down season with the Saints.

Martinez is now crocked but it looked like Pep wanted to keep him anyway.

Pogba and Vidal are two possible movers, Vidal has actually said he is the best in his position in the World. Fit in perfectly at United then.

Pogba is reportedly only on £50,000 per week (hard I know) so is Vidal on much more.

Pogba is valued at £60 million by Juve but I could imagine him making in the high 40's and United are said to have bid in the 40's for Vidal.

Bender we did by all accounts bid £18 million for last season but they wanted £23 million.

Spyder alledgedly wants to go to Spurs.

We have supposedly agreed a fee with PSG for Adrien Rabiot the french under 21 defensive mid for £5.5 million and Khedira can now be bought for £8 million.

Gundogan still recovering from injury and will no doubt stay at Dortmund.

If we make just one more signing this season then now for me it would be probably the most unlikely, Paul Pogba.

Take the figures with the proverbial pinch of salt, the varying reports I read used the £ and not the €.

All in all a puddle of mud.

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I thought I read somewhere Lucas Leiva was available. Given the lack of progress or options Jenny points out does anyone think he'd be worth a punt as a midfield disruptor if Liverpool would sell?

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17 Aug 2014 12:47:14
As usual, great post.

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Pogba and/or Reus would be spectacular, the real icing on the cake but I think realistically we will sign the greek cb manolas and the youngster from PSG.

Then again you never know. This has been an unprecedented transfer window. Maybe there's another one to blow the socks off to come, I really hope so.

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If we got Pogba I would by the shirt, I've never done the players names thing but I'd be so shocked and delighted I'd buy Pogba's tomorrow if he signed.
That would be my dream signing of this or any foreseeable window.
If it was to happen I'd go as far as to buy the Dags book of joke

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17 Aug 2014 17:40:29
Coming soon to a bookshop near you G62 :-)

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17 Aug 2014 11:07:35
HAPPY BIRTHDAY THIERRY HENRY!

Thank you for all the memories and silverware!

You are welcome back - whenever you like!

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17 Aug 2014 12:46:27
Happy Birthday Legend.

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17 Aug 2014 10:49:47
http://www.player-ratings.co.uk/

The eds have created a fantasy football talk page at the above
url to discuss the fantasy premier League and your teams
It will be administered for the time being by me and Tj Red (though I am yet to ask him lol)

Everybody taking part in the fantasy premier League (mine or anybody elses) Or even the general public
Please do visit guys

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{Ed002's Note - No responses to this post please. Take the FF stuff to the other site.}

17 Aug 2014 10:46:25
We had 78% of possession yesterday just think how high it would have been if we'd actually passed to each other as well :-)
Reason to be cheerful 14

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17 Aug 2014 11:06:35
That made me lol. :-)

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17 Aug 2014 10:28:13
Hopefully we up our game, passing and giving team mates options to pass to. That was disappointing to see - players with no options so needing 4 or 5 touches each time and then passing sideways, back or even out of play!

Goal summed it up - sloppy Chambers pass, sloppy Clearance from the keeper and then sloppy marking.

BUT, I also hope future REFs step up and remove time wasting!

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17 Aug 2014 10:25:56
Looks like my post reference goals per game has been missed.

For the record ALL

Giroud 79 starts 40 goals

Wow isn't he poor lol, for those who struggle with maths that is better than a goal every other game .

LG
Ramsey has 36 in 122 starts not sure where you got your stat from.?

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I have no issue with his goals per games ratio except he's our first choice striker. He should be scoring more. In fact if you look at people who scored over 10 goals last season he doesn't make the top 10 in the premiership last season for goals per minutes played.(even behind Adebayor). That's the difference between finishing 4th and challenging for the title in my opinion.

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17 Aug 2014 12:34:14
Last season. Can't compare their whole Arsenal careers as Giroud started his Arsenal career in his peak years, while Ramsey started when he was just a kid, still improving.

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Who has a goal per game ratio in the PL? There isn't that many .

Feel free to name them :)

Im not sure what some of you gooners want.

There aren't that many

RVP 96 goals in 194 games for Arsenal.

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Then you shouldn't have used Ramsey as you example .

Be consistent LG

You could of course have used Wilshire.probably didn't because he doesn't score goals.

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17 Aug 2014 15:13:17
11 strikers had a better goals to game ratio than Giroud last year in the Premier League.
Why shouldn't I use Ramsey as the example, explain?
Why am I being inconsistent? Your post doesn't make sense.
(ps Wilshere scored 5 goals last year, not 0)

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Can't compare their whole Arsenal careers as Giroud started his Arsenal career in his peak years, while Ramsey started when he was just a kid, still improving. Guess you want to cherry pick but facts are facts . Ramsey doesn't have a better goals per game ratio than Giroud which is what you said in an earlier post

your quote lol

compare there time at Arsenal which is what I have done, Giroud had a huge disadvantage of being new to English lifestyle and pace of the game.

By the way I didn't say Wilshere didn't score goals, he doesn't as a rule.

10 goals in 107 starts from Wilshere

Big difference

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Little Gunner

from your earlier post

Ramsey, our central midfield player has a similar goals to games ratio as our striker, Giroud.

Nothing like it, not even worth comparing FACT

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17 Aug 2014 18:03:20
Wilshere does score goal, however you try and get out of that one you were wrong. "FACT".
Ramsey got 10 in 23 premier league games, while Giroud got 16 in 36. now without working that out properly, that's pretty much just over 1 in every 2 games for both players. "FACT". How can you not see that is similar?

Give up mate, you are seriously struggling here.

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I didn't say I wanted a striker with a goal a game ratio. I want a striker with a BETTER goal to minute ratio than Giroud has. And should you want names of people with a better ratio, there are 10 in the premier league that I can name (including Adebayor)

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17 Aug 2014 10:25:02
I really need to invest in sly sports for the house. Going out to watch the game has left me down 80quid, Someone has swapped my tongue with a sponge, there's curry (I hope its curry) on my favourite shirt and I'm pretty sure my brains been through a blender.

Not a great performance but they say being able to grind out them wins is the sign of champions so here's hoping.

Credit where credit is due, I thought Arteta was excellent first half and Monreal played well when he came on. Kieran Gibbs is a liability, how many times during a season does he get subbed off injured? It's ridiculous.

Apart from the goal Ramsey was poor and I have no idea why Wenger thinks Sanogo is good enough for the first team let alone ready for it. If Chamack put a shift in like that every game, he'd still be wearing an Arsenal jersey.

Sanchez showed impressive glimpses of what he's about, Debuchy was solid and Chambers looks like he's been playing CB for 10 years or more.

You can see the teams not at 100% yet. Performances will improve as the season goes on. A silver lining of the champions league qualifying round might be that we get the jump on our rivals to match readiness with the extra games, though the turks will be no walkover.

I really hope it's shown on ordinary telly. My gf has got that pitbull chewing a wasp expression on her face this morning and I can't for the life of me think what I've done to deserve it. Think I'll stay in bed and out of her way today. Peace out you lovely gooners :-)

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17 Aug 2014 10:10:46
Hey lads, just thinking, i'm sure we can all agree Calum has been amazing. My problem is, I don't wanna see the lad drop to the bench. He's tall, strong, fast, athletic, comfortable on the ball.

My opinion is we should give him a chance at DM, with Gibbs and Debuchy we have full backs that love to bomb forward, which can leave us exposed.

With Chambers at DM we can very simply change our formation during games from 4-1-2-2-1 to 5-3-2 depending on the needs of the game, I think the move to put him at DM would add great versatility to our team and that money for a DM can be used for a top class forward, which we really need.

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17 Aug 2014 10:21:21
Totally agree Durban.

Worth a punt?

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Only as a last resort Durban mate, we should try all we can to sign a real Danger Mouse before we promote Penfold.
Its a gamble we should only take if forced into it because it's a long time till August 2015 and we get another chance to win the league if it doesn't go as well as we might hope

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Just my problem is that if you watched Sanogo and even Giroud, they just don't have the pace, imagine if we had a Suarez/Aguero type forward running onto through balls. Remeber if you take out the 6-3, 5-1 and 6-0. we conceded less than 30 goals. The difference between us and the best sides are that they have world class forwards. Remember Wenger's words, World Class is not how big the transfer fee is but how big the talent is and Chambers has the talent.

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Chambers is 19 and a defender, a good defender but not a proven DM why such a hurry to make him be what he may or may not be a good at?
If your not short of a few bob why move house with a car and trailer do 25 trips and hope I doesn't rain, if you've got the money get a professional removal company and relax

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Good point G62 but my reason is putting the lad on the bench would be a tragedy. Unless we bench Per for games against thr faster teams or have a good rotation, benching him may hender his progress and yes he is a defender which is great if he's at DM, won't want to bomb forward like Khedira

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I agree a season on the bench would be no good for Calum at wll but he will play plenty just covering Kos Mert and Debuchy also maybe Gibbs Monreal Durban mate.
I remember Phil Jones looking very good in the DM position when he first joined utd but in big games he looked like a CB playing a DM role badly
But if I was going to accommodate him it would be in a 3 5 2 with him playing sweeper

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Phil Jones just took one too many knocks to the head, I reckon he thinks his name is Mary

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17 Aug 2014 09:53:04
Morning ed025,

If you're still about a question for you, when are you going to get an Avatar?

See that ed02 has a batman logo and ed01 a shark, so what are you going to have, Superman wears the blue of Everton and the red of Arsenal or will it be the guy on the beach :-)

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17 Aug 2014 09:59:45
Jenjen,

Southern Comfort guy for me every time.

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Wonder who Ed025 is going to support next week :p Win-Win situation?

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{Ed025's Note - it will be everton DG, but a draw would not be a bad result for either team mate..

17 Aug 2014 09:51:25
There were some poor performances yesterday and a lot more mistakes than successful moments but its game 1 of 40 + and nothing should be taken from it as a pointer to how either individuals or the team will do in the season ahead.
September and games with city Villa and spurs will be a far better indicator as to who's doing what right or wrong.

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17 Aug 2014 10:02:36
Absolutely G62,

Also, another plus, to date, we were the only home team to win yesterday.

At this stage, let's embrace the positives and sweep the negatives under the rug.

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17 Aug 2014 09:32:41
Going back to yesterday's game. It wasn't our finest hour but sometimes if you can win badly then that can only be a positive for being able to improve.
I think we have 15 Prem games up to Christmas and to be quite honest there should only be four games Man City, Liverpool, United, and dare I say it Spurs that should give us any concerns.I do believe that on form we should be brushing the rest aside. I'm not going to criticise any players individually as I don't think that would be fair based on it being the first game of the season but clearly there are a few concerns even at this early stage. Hopefully we will get the players we need to fill these obvious weaknesses.
Next week as we all know is the CL game. If we are seriously looking at more signings then this game HAS to be like us showing our references to any quality player we may be looking at. Fact is top players want to play in the CL it's their shop window. So it's crucial for us to qualify.

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17 Aug 2014 10:03:47
Good post Goldie locks :-)

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GB

Don't forget we have Chelsea the week after spurs, a win and a draw from those to will be ideal

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17 Aug 2014 20:00:13
BANBURY. Yep sorry mate I forgot that one quite right. I was taking my son to his match today and we were discussing why strong teams sometimes come unstuck against weaker ones . The fact is I believe that when a strong team plays a weaker one the stronger team seem to play down to the weaker teams level whereas the weaker team ups it's game. Over many years I've seen this happen time and time again. This is why it's so important for Arsenal not! to trip up again like they did last season. We need the momentum. Phew! Listen to me Ha Ha

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17 Aug 2014 09:16:17
Watch goals on Sunday, each week they have a piece about man marking v Zonal marking .

Yesterday man marking came out on top

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The problem is for a few years now we haven't be good at either, stick a man on each post one on the line in the centre of the goal a let the keeper and remaining defenders try and stop it getting to getting to them.
We never seem to have the concentration to block or go with the runners so make the best of a bad job I'm afraid :-(

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Very true G62 but the fact of the matter is a man on the post yesterday and we don't concede.

Hopefully we can discuss more as the season goes on.

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17 Aug 2014 08:43:47
I wasn't too disappointed with yesterday's match. We won & the performance was acceptable. Don't forget last season we lost at home to Villa in the first match of the season. The first 10 or so matches often throw up odd results as the less good sides are fit, have their full squad at their disposal and fight like demons. Later on suspensions, fatigue & injuries hurt lower teams more, as they weaker squads. Also the top teams have players fatigued & not available from World Cup duty. Yesterday we had 3 players out due to World Cup duty and one major player not yet back from serious injury. The next 3 matches are extremely important, with CL progression at stake & we need to get something out of a difficult away match at Everton. I also forgot to mention that we had 3 players making their league debut & all 3 did well, they will get even better once they have played a few more games. The other important thing is transfers, we desperately need a minimum of one centre back, in reality two and a tall, athletic, powerful, defensive midfield player. Oh, yes, we must sort out defending at corners.

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17 Aug 2014 08:26:14
Is the writing on the wall for Flamini, as Coquelin was selected before him? Taking into account that Coquelin has had a couple of relatively unsuccessful loan deals, is Wenger looking to offload both players and bring in a defensive midfield player?

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17 Aug 2014 08:16:00
Nothing happening on my page so thought I'd put two penneth in here.

How do you judge yesterday's match?

I thought you were quite poor to be honest and you were most ineffective in strongest area - midfield getting forwards. Don't thing the system helped much, would have loved to see two go up top and have a little more presence.

Arteta had a decent game at DM I thought.

Glad Rambo got his goal, because I thought he was quite poor all game.

Chamakh was biggest surprise for me, he really put a shift in.

3 points went the right way though in the end, just an ugly three points.

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17 Aug 2014 09:06:25
Any game against a Tony Pulis side, and they would have worked to his plan, parking the bus and wasting time from minute one when you take 3 points is a great result.

Cannot deny we were nowhere near our best but winning ugly is also a great trait to have.

If we do exactly the same against City, Chelsea and Liverpool I'll be even happier.

Add to that a last minute win is always a great lift after a poor game.

Concerns about Gibbs and seeing Koscielny limping at the final whistle were the worst things.

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Agree Jenny

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17 Aug 2014 01:35:20
Last season, out of desperation, Manchester United brought Paul Scholes back from his retirement to help improve their win rate.

I wonder if they will do the same to Howard Webb?.

Just a thought.

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17 Aug 2014 08:07:52
I actually think United are in more trouble than they like to believe, attracting top players like Vidal, if reports are true are surely more than ever going to be a struggle.

The owners of Juve and Vidals agent will be able to take them to the cleaners for fee and wages even if he wants the move.

There is so much wrong with their squad, even Paul Scholes agreed with Steve McManaman that's it's the worst United side he seen for 20yrs.

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{Ed025's Note - its great to see jen.. :)

17 Aug 2014 01:27:21
I think some of you lot have been a bit harsh on Santi Cazorla, saying he played bad today.

Don't forget, the referee attacked him with a can of vanishing spray, so no wonder we hardly saw him on pitch today.

It does exactly what it says on the tin.

Must get some for the wife, literally.

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U try to hard dags. points for effort.

love the avatar.

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17 Aug 2014 00:49:06
Little Gunner,

Re your comments about Giroud.

I understand where you are coming from but you have to look at the overall picture.

He scored 17 in first season and 22 in his second.

That's an improvement.

Everybody raves about Suarez, myself included, and rightly so, but Giroud only scored 8 goals less than him.

Yes, I appreciate 8 goals could be the difference between finishing 1st and 4th, but you have to look at the teams they play for.

At Liverpool the emphasis is about getting the ball to Suarez, they have a more direct approach than us.

Olly is more of a team player, who brings other players into the team.

As Banbury has said many times, if our midfield score more goals, people would not be complaining about Olly's lack of goals.

For me, he does a good job and is a valuable member of the team who works his socks off and leads the line, most of the time, on his own.

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17 Aug 2014 02:07:15
Really don't see the need for a separate post for this?

And yes, that is an improvement, I just don't get your point though? I like Giroud, just personally don't think he, alongside Sanogo and Campbell are good enough to mount a serious title challenge.

Midfielders chip in with more goals? Ramsey, our central midfield player has a similar goals to games ratio as our striker, Giroud.

And to your comparison with Suarez. Suarez 31 premier league goals last year, Giroud 16. Not even close.

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Personally I can/will never highly rate 'hold up' strikers, like mandzukic, benzema, giroud etc.

I know I should, I know they are good.
but unless they have a finish like thierry then they don't pop into my head for top drawer strikers.

they obviously are, but in my eyes an eye for goal and a prolific shot make the best strikers, not ones who bring in 'scoring midfielders'

Is Giroud the best 'hold up' striker in the world? no. is he in the top 20 hold up strikers? i'd say so. is it worth paying for an 'improved' player in this mold? I don't think so.

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17 Aug 2014 06:10:11
I completely agree, Giroud is very handy. I've never had a problem with his contributions. However, we desperately need a 2nd option up front. Sanogo is not there yet and needs a loan to play and start games week in, week out. We can't expect Olly to play every single game and Alexis can fill in there , but is not a CF. We need either a bench backup like Remy, which is why I joined your cult Dags. Or even better, someone even better than Giroud, to force real competition as starting striker. I read people on here say Cavani is overrated. That really makes me laugh because, I bet those same people were dreaming of him when he was at Napoli. With the supply he got there, he was phenomenal, he'd have even better supply from Ozil, Alexis, Theo and co. If we got him, we become serious title contenders and the European heavyweights start worrying about being drawn with us. I'd even take a cheap DM, Tiote/Mbia, if it meant landing him. But even better, let's get Cavani and Carvalho or Khedira. If not Cavani, I'd also be happy with Falcao, I'm flexible like that.

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Kind of agree with LG. Giroud did well last season and was a massive reason for where we finished.
Dags Saurez scored 31 goals. All in the league. That's the difference to why Liverpool scored 100+ goals and that's a target we should be aiming for. I think Giroud COULD get 20 + goals but the reason he doesn't is because he misses a fair amount of simple chances throughout the season.
Also and this point could be covered when Walcott returns, is the lack of pace. Sanogo and Giroud cause the game to slow. That was shown yesterday as the pace of the football dropped when the ball got went forward. There really is a need for another dynamic striker.

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17 Aug 2014 08:00:59
I get where LG is coming from because we would all love a Messi, Ronaldo, Saurez, Ibrahimovic, Lewandowski or Aguero who not only smash goals in for fun but make something out of nothing when the going gets tough.

Giroud can certainly do a job for us but it requires Sanchez, Ramsey and Walcott to get close to the 20 goal mark each too.

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Agree with LG. looks like dagenham gunner is clutching at straws a little bit in using wrong statistics and comparisons to Suarez?

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17 Aug 2014 09:30:46
All a matter of opinions Gents.

That's what its all about.

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17 Aug 2014 12:42:40
I'm with GoonerInk, I'd prefer my striker getting goals.
Seems like most people are on the same page here. Like myself, we still all love Giroud, but understand we need a bit more. :)

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Indeed it is Dags

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17 Aug 2014 00:12:05
Seems it is the general consensus on here that the positions we need dealt with right now if we are to have a right go at the title are CB, LB, DM, ST. I hope at least 3 of them get solved before the window ends.

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