Arsenal Banter Archive August 17 2016

 

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17 Aug 2016 22:16:48
Have a strange feeling we will sign Mahrez.

Oh wait,

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17 Aug 2016 22:23:17
He's way to old and to many people have heard of him to be of interest to Arsenal mate :-)

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17 Aug 2016 22:33:16
Plus he won player of the year mate.

No good to us :-)

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17 Aug 2016 22:55:02
While Neverheardof Halfaquid is a real possibility as our all new all singing all dancing DM :-)

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18 Aug 2016 05:53:05
Players seem to use Arsenal as a pawn in their contract negotiations. Vardy, mahrez lacazette and many.

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{Ed001's Note - hmmmm none of those did any such thing, Arsenal just didn't do enough to sign them.}

18 Aug 2016 07:37:03
Arsenal act like pawns more like.

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17 Aug 2016 22:01:10
Interesting piece in the mirror today - writer blaming the board but also showing sympathy for the anti-Wenger's

If you believe your manager is acting like a pensioner after decimalisation, refusing to open his purse because he distrusts this new funny money, you thank him for 20 years' service and get a new one.

In the past year, Manchester United have sacked a manager fresh off winning the FA Cup final, Liverpool one who was a slip away from delivering their first Premier League title since 1990 and Chelsea one who'd made them champions just six months earlier.

"So, why would Arsenal's board continue to ignore fans who suggest a manager who hasn't won the league for 12 years is past it?

Unless that manager is taking all the flak while their profits, bonuses and dividends remain healthy.

Unless that manager is their shield from the pricey risks and harsh realities of modern football. "

Interesting post from Garry Neville saying that Arsenal need to stick with Wenger, the board need to more decisive and Wenger is a victim of his own success

" if Klopp gets top 4 he's done a great job, we were saying same for LVG. Conte, if he gets top 4 he's probably done really well"
"And yet Wenger gets top four and we seem to be bored with him doing well"
"It's a shame that continuity and stability is seen as being bring".

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17 Aug 2016 22:15:44
It's simple mate.

Wenger does'nt go knocking on the Chairman's door asking for money to sign new player's.

If he does, it's "just give me the bare minimum and I will bargain hunt".

Wenger runs the club and makes huge profits for the club, Chairman and Owners.

If I owned a Company or Factory and Wenger was my Manager and making me huge profits every year, whilst employing the bare minimum of staff, keeping transport costs down, utility bills down and running my firm with a "Scrooge" like efficiency, why would I replace him with somebody else?

My Company may not be a market leader, but who cares? The man is making me Millions of pounds per year.

Sack him? Are you crazy?

In my eyes, he's the best thing since sliced bread.

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17 Aug 2016 22:29:18
Yes but your company hasn't got to please 1,000,000 investors ( fans) around the world mate.

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17 Aug 2016 22:35:19
So back to the issue that it lies with the board, their business model, expectations and funding to match. So the board should be getting the grief.

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17 Aug 2016 22:39:11
The board and Arsene can't stand each other they don't have meetings instead they have pigeons that carry nasty insults between them as they disagree on everything, the only thing stopping us buying players is Arsene wants to spend the whole 200 million but the board want to go much further and take us into Debt.
Well either that or
They are hand in hand on the same page 100% and that's why they continue to offer him contracts and he continues to accept him.
Two different perspectives, which people choose to think is right is purely up to them of course.

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17 Aug 2016 23:24:08
Bambam, my 1,000,000 investors have always invested in my Company, for at least 100 years.

If they don't, there's another 1,000,000 who would.

Why would I care?

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17 Aug 2016 23:47:19
But does your company offer nectar points Dags and what's your policy on faulty goods?
Oh by the way don't take any notice of supermarkets who promise to exchange faulty goods, my lotto lucky dip wasn't lucky at all but they refused to give me my money back and trading standards just laughed when I told them about it :- (

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{Ed007's Note - That's some mirror Sy's got - I struggle to see to shave in mine!}

17 Aug 2016 23:48:00
What is wrong is Wenger accepting a contract and doing the best he can with his resources? I don't get it

The investors are the board / share holders

The fans are customers as are Sky and companies with contracts with Arsensl

The board directs the company and hopefully keep customers and investors happy

Wenger has done nothing wrong in accepting a contract.

He is a medium size company who used to compete with a few medium and one big company but now competes with 3 bigger companies and many more medium companies -> times are tough when competition heats up and competitors have more money and resource than you. Pretty basic business logic really but in a football world.

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17 Aug 2016 20:35:27
Wouldn't it be funny if Stan and Arsene sold up shipped out and bought Tottenham where they spent a fortune on players making spuds champions of England and Europe.
Your not seeing the funny side of this at all are you?
:-)

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17 Aug 2016 21:02:27
Haha, love the last bit G62 :-)

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17 Aug 2016 19:38:41
I am 72 years old and have been an Arsenal supporter for as long as I can remember. Before moving away from Islington I was a season ticket holder. Arsenal has always been a big part of my life. Probably to big a part. I have never been so disappointed with our club. I am now at the stage that I don't get as upset with a bad result, as I expect it. I am so sick of the lies coming from the manager and the board that I truly can't stand to look at them anymore. Nobody could have done more for The Arsenal than Arsene Wenger but I fear if he doesn't go soon it will take years to recover. Please, please spend some money on a couple of great players. Or it will be. Arsene Wengers Tragic he wears tragic hat. His checkbooks in his pocket he won't be needing that.

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{Ed025's Note - i remember lonnie donagan as well N7 even though im not as old as you....mr wenger and board may well surprise us mate you never know.. :)

17 Aug 2016 20:14:22
Good post N7 and you are correct we have a board and manager that are full of lies, it's criminal really.

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17 Aug 2016 20:50:38
Lovely post N7! Thanks for your reflection mate πŸ‘πŸ».

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17 Aug 2016 21:04:15
Fantastic post N7.

And a lovely "Ditty" at the end.

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17 Aug 2016 21:29:52
Like the post N7 things i'm sure will change and hopefully for the better. You sound as sorry as me. Its not the same club as it was and probably never will be but we will come again i'm sure, there is too much potential not to.

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17 Aug 2016 20:26:28
eds i think you know something and won't tell us lol.

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{Ed025's Note - not the case im afraid stephen..

17 Aug 2016 21:08:33
Dont be trying to palm yourself off as a young un Ed, we know you are a fossil mate, Ed1 told us πŸ˜„πŸ˜„πŸ˜„.

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{Ed025's Note - you know me so well degsy.. :)

17 Aug 2016 19:35:49
I see Mahrez has signed a new four year deal . That's 2-0 to Leicester, let's hope that's not the scoreline on Saturday

What odds Vardy and Mahrez both scoring, don't bet against it.

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{Ed025's Note - arsenal will win at the weekend bam bam...its written in the stars mate.. :)

17 Aug 2016 20:15:23
Ed I will meet up with you and but you drinks all night, I can see anything better than a point.

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{Ed025's Note - they dont call me mystic ed for nothing bam bam.. :)

17 Aug 2016 20:39:26
I think both Arsene and Claudio would take a point right now, Leicester need to off the mark and Arsene needs to get people off his back.

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17 Aug 2016 21:24:28
Hmmmm not so sure, Leicester will look to avenge the two defeats from last year and will see us as vulnerable.

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17 Aug 2016 20:28:11
Hope your right Ed

But football is a funny game, it's Sod's law the two players that we were interested in both score against us.

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{Ed025's Note - thats not happening mate..believe me..

17 Aug 2016 19:27:47
You know what's bugging me the most?

If we're really haggling over a few million (sounds bad when you put it in normal terms! ) for the Mustafi deal, so we can 'hold back for a striker' then why did we sign Xhaka?

Before I go on, I'm in no way slagging off Granit, I think he was a good signing and apart from needing some disciplinary training, he could be big for us.

But he was by no means a necessary signing.
Even with Arteta and Flamini out, we still had a lot of players in CM, 6 when all fit.

CB, even wasn't really a priority at the start, we did need one, but we could of coped.

A striker WAS, needed.
A striker WAS, necessary.

And still is.

So if we really do have limited budget, why were we splashing Β£35m on a cm we could of coped without?

It's infuriating.

As a second point, as I'm writing this, Mahrez has signed a new 4 year deal at Leicester.

Banter.

Last window was a joke, but as a one off, it's bareable.

Doing it again is unacceptable and that's the way it looks.

Now apparently Liverpool and Chelsea are in for Mustafi (probably just talk in fairness) which could be a awful for us if true.

Mustafi's father says 2 clubs are in for him.

And now papers are linking is with a move for Jose Maria Giminez of Atleti.

It's so stupid, 'Arsenal are haggling over Β£5m for an experienced German World Cup winner, but are willing to pay Β£40m for a 21 year old Uruguayan (albeit a very promising one) with less game time internationally and has only played in one league'

Today's media ladies and gents.

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17 Aug 2016 19:35:30
I think most people have given up on any more signings of note mate, I've never known it so quite during the latter stages of a summer window another indicator of fan apathy I guess.

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17 Aug 2016 19:37:01
Reference the first part of your post I've gone on about that since we signed Xhaka.

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17 Aug 2016 23:38:54
D_, that's Arsenal in a nutshell mate.

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17 Aug 2016 19:24:18
Does anybody remembet van persie's goal against Charlton that's exactly what we need right now but it was a lovely goal.

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{Ed025's Note - pity he turned out to be a rat really xxc.. :)

17 Aug 2016 19:33:12
Exactly my thoughts Ed but then we can say that about a lot of former players, with van p I can understand a small amount due to age, which is why I think Leicester winning the prem gave vardy the thoughts of hey I ready won the league with this team which has gave me my break in the prem my family our settled I feel comfortable a Leicester legend with champions league football on the table as in van p's situation mam u offered a lot more than we could with the possibility of winning the league.

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{Ed025's Note - i can see that mate but when you have has the success and prestige he had with the gunners it left a very sour taste in the mouth for me, i know loyalty seems a thing of the past these days but he could have held legendry status at the emirates but through greed he will always be the guy who turned his back on the supporters in my eyes..

17 Aug 2016 22:19:33
A league winning rat! πŸ˜‰ And players are merely 'transient employees' as per Ed2 πŸ˜†.

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{Ed025's Note - thats the problem HB its just a job to most of them now, i remember when it used to hurt players to lose but now it seems a bit ho-hum, and some of these prima-donnas are out for a month with a broken toe nail....maybe im getting too old mate.. :)

17 Aug 2016 16:57:35
i really believe we will not get a cb and a striker. i think it will more than likely be a defender with wenger saying theo and alexis can play as a striker when giroud is not available and we will get the same old excuse that no striker was available, now that is complete and utter bull.
i am sure for example that if we went in 40 million for lacazette the bid will be accepted, not bidding less than what west ham did.
as i mentioned the other day no one wants to pay top whack for a player but top players have a premium price but we do go in with liberty taking offers which we know will not get accepted.

also as for the start to this season, i know some people will say don't panic it's only one game but this is arsenal, not a team like city or someone who you could say have character and pick themselves up from it.

unfortunately i can see the season going like this
topsy turvy start and be in the mix by xmas, then choke come the new year and end up battling for 4th and when that comes we'll look like world beaters when pressure is off.

i hope i am wrong but can see it happening like that
and really do believe we will not get a striker.

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{Ed025's Note - i know its not great at the moment mark but arsenal still have a very good squad, my fear is that if things go tits up you will lose the likes of ozil and sanchez..arsene and kronke are playing a very dangerous game mate..

17 Aug 2016 17:43:17
ed i agree with have a good squad but we have always lacked that cutting edge upfront.
we need an attacker than can make things happen, like make a run into the area and score and with someone like giroud that won't happen
even wenger himself admitted lack of striking options was a factor last year.
and your right he is playing a dangerous game and i know for a fact it will all end badly for him and despite me and many wanting a new manager i would not wish that on him but it will happen i'm afraid.

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{Ed025's Note - i hope not mark but i must say i can see that coming myself mate, what does my nut in is that clubs like palace are spending loads when we all know arsenal can outspend them 10 fold if they want..

17 Aug 2016 17:59:49
Ed that's what I've been thinking all summer.

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{Ed025's Note - you never know lucas maybe they will surprise us all and make a couple of signings mate..

17 Aug 2016 18:42:27
Strange as it sounds I think things are closer to being sorted now than for years, its not just a few fans who not happy now and it's not even a 50/ 50 thing almost every fan you speak to wants thing done differently and almost all accept if Arsene want do it it's time to get someone else in who will.
I think the majority would still like it to be Arsene who made the changes but there is definitely a shift towards Arsenal before Arsene from many previously 100% Arsene people.

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{Ed025's Note - i know fans can be fickle G62 but i do sympathize with the gunners ones, its not as if they are in transition or cant afford to buy big, i have a feeling that things could get very messy mate..

17 Aug 2016 19:07:37
Its a shame Ed025 but we've always been Arsenal football club not Arsene football club, I think because of the very high esteem we have all held Arsene in for most of his 20 years the lines have become blurred even for Arsene and definitely for the board.
I don't think the shift back towards Arsenal first is unstoppable yet and a couple of good results at Leicester and Watford would buy Arsene some breathing space for now but because of the lack of ambition shown by him this summer and previous summers too unrest will always only be a couple of poor results away.
The thing is I'm still not sure Arsene and the board realise quite how strong feeling are compared to other seasons and they feel things will blow over as usual.

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{Ed025's Note - i think they do realize it G62, they have advisors who look at sites like this and im sure they know the feelings of the fans, the trouble is that this has been going on a while now and the club have done little to improve things..thats the scary thing mate..

17 Aug 2016 19:17:48
If they do realise its difficult to understand their strategy and what their end game is, Arsene especially mate.

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{Ed025's Note - your right mate..

17 Aug 2016 19:49:28
They need to get ugly to sort things out, sponsors won't want bad publicity and if fans revolt that's what they will get.

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17 Aug 2016 20:53:08
It warms my heart ed025 when you refer to Arsenal as Us! You really are a gooner in a Sheeps clothes πŸ‘πŸ».

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{Ed025's Note - i am a closet gooner SLB, but you dont buy big names like everton do now mate.. :)

17 Aug 2016 16:57:35
i really believe we will not get a cb and a striker. i think it will more than likely be a defender with wenger saying theo and alexis can play as a striker when giroud is not available and we will get the same old excuse that no striker was available, now that is complete and utter bull.
i am sure for example that if we went in 40 million for lacazette the bid will be accepted, not bidding less than what west ham did.
as i mentioned the other day no one wants to pay top whack for a player but top players have a premium price but we do go in with liberty taking offers which we know will not get accepted.

also as for the start to this season, i know some people will say don't panic it's only one game but this is arsenal, not a team like city or someone who you could say have character and pick themselves up from it.

unfortunately i can see the season going like this
topsy turvy start and be in the mix by xmas, then choke come the new year and end up battling for 4th and when that comes we'll look like world beaters when pressure is off.

i hope i am wrong but can see it happening like that
and really do believe we will not get a striker.

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{Ed025's Note - i know its not great at the moment mark but arsenal still have a very good squad, my fear is that if things go tits up you will lose the likes of ozil and sanchez..arsene and kronke are playing a very dangerous game mate..

17 Aug 2016 14:52:28
Hello everyone not posted for a while and cannot say anything more that has not been said or discussed. So to cheer myself up here are my top five moments from games I was at.
No1Charlie George, s goal 1971 Cup Final
No 2 Wrightys hat trick against Soton last game in front of North Bank
No 3 Bergkamp, s first goal forl Arsenal a sign of things to come
No4 Anderss Limpar 50 yard lob over Mike Hooper Liverpool keeper
No5 Arshavins goal against Barcelona that put us 2-1 up
Jut thought I put this as my worst moment sitting in a bar in Paris watching us lose to Barcelona have not been able to bring myself to watch any tv replays of that match.

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17 Aug 2016 15:23:21
I will trump that with Tony Adams v Everton, 4-0 when we won League, 1998.

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17 Aug 2016 16:13:51
Ah Tony Adams

How I wish Wenger would employ a former player and let him teach the team how to defend

Poor old Bouldy must be fed up watching dire defending.

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17 Aug 2016 16:15:37
Can't believe you didn't have mickey Thomas in your top 5

Each to their own.

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17 Aug 2016 16:28:40
Hello Malaga did not have honour atbeing at that game that's why I did not pick it. If ihad been it would had beenmy firstchoice.

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17 Aug 2016 17:04:54
Hi HB

Best experience footballing wise I had the honour to witness, I was actually crying, waited so long for that day

I still have the ticket stub.

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17 Aug 2016 11:47:40
The worst thing that can happen to the club is if Usmanov sells his shares

We need him to stop kroenke from taking full control.

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17 Aug 2016 11:57:27
Good if you are a Blue nose though mate 😎😎😎😎😎

Hows it going Dags if you are still out there, not seen you on our pages for a while mate

Degs.

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17 Aug 2016 12:20:31
Murf you will end up being a real force

He will want to show what he could of done at the arsene.

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17 Aug 2016 12:33:59
I think it's a goer too mate, Kroenke would love full control of you guys too, he may open the purse strings then too as you desperately need a couple of top signings. Bit worried for you guys this season but two weeks left yet mate and a 100 million would put you close to the prem title.

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17 Aug 2016 14:11:54
I think we'd all panic if Kroenke had all the shares, we'd probably be relocated to LA.

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17 Aug 2016 15:24:30
Hiya Degs,
How's it going mate?

Hope you are a happier blue than us Reds? :-)

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17 Aug 2016 16:16:06
Kronke has full control. He has over 51%.

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17 Aug 2016 16:18:31
I believe he has to make an offer once over a certain percentage. I'm not sure off the top of my head.

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17 Aug 2016 10:07:33
Just reading a post from 62 about good times as an Arsenal fan, for me the night at Anfield and 'that' goal will be with me forever.

I remember getting back to Banbury at 08:00 in the morning after being totally wrecked along with many other fans, that night in Liverpool was truly amazing. We weren't given a chance.

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17 Aug 2016 10:29:47
Was there as well Banbury

Best moment ever as an arsenal fan.

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17 Aug 2016 10:48:22
I agree mate, it was just incredible, to score so late on was amazing . Thomas missed a chance a bit earlier, I thought that was that until seconds from the end.

What an exciting end to the season.

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17 Aug 2016 11:18:54
George Graham should have a statue outside the Emirates

I know he took a bung, but they were all at it

They all talk about Wenger, but it was his back 5 that put arsene on the right track

Georgie gave us s European trophy, 2 league titles and a cup double

He was also a double winner in 71

I will never forget what he done for the club

There's only one Stroller.

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17 Aug 2016 12:01:52
My best moment has got to be bergkamps goal v Newcastle.

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17 Aug 2016 12:19:57
Freddie and Pires on the wings for me.

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17 Aug 2016 14:03:39
Adams wonder goal against Everton in 98 for me, amazing elation! Or for something a little more recent, Fabregas' solo goal from the kick off against the spuds.

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17 Aug 2016 14:57:59
He also gave us John Jensen, tried to get Limpars to defend, David Hillier, Andy Linighan (spellings) . Some of the worst football I have seen and was a tyrant. The cup finals against Sheffield Wednesday and the Euro cup won by a Smudger flick on were tough to watch. I was there at Wembley.

He also did a lot for the club - absolutely but let's look at the past properly.

Hopefully you remember Wenger so fondly as he did so much more and times were good. Invincibles were awesome.

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17 Aug 2016 15:03:43
We were talking about the George graham era

Nothing to do with wengers years.

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17 Aug 2016 15:21:41
FA Cup win against Utd with Alan Sunderland scoring the winner having Utd pull level
Also, realising how lucky I was seeing Henry play.

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17 Aug 2016 16:08:36
Sy4 I will remember the first 10 years of wengers reign

After that he's done nothing.

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17 Aug 2016 16:18:38
SY4

I don'tthink know what football you've been watching the last 4 years, it hasn't been good.

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17 Aug 2016 17:58:06
I didn't post my comment to compare anyone I was just saying my best moment supporting Arsenal BUT let's all be honest, without the back 5 and Mers, Platt, Parlour etc Wenger wouldn't have done what he did in the early years .

But that's another debate.

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17 Aug 2016 21:52:55
So, in the closing years of GG's reign when Arsenal scored the lowest number of goals in the league (40) or less than 60 goals per season near the end after exiting the European cup in the very early stages and knocked out of FA Cup by Wrexham (lowest team in football league) - take those glasses off

Wenger benefited from GG's side - yes.

He transformed a side that were low scoring and boring into league winners. Bruce helped him for sure with DB10. But credit to Wenger he transformed it and he built the invincibles.

I hear the reply - the invincibles contained a GG defender. 1 player out of the squad, that's all.

I add this negative post about GG because the people praising him forget the bad pieces but pick on every bad point on Wenger.

GG does deserve a lot of recognition but don't kid yourself about the football he played or that every season was successful -> plenty low low points, plenty crap signings, plentiful to moan about but save that for Wenger as he's an easy target.

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17 Aug 2016 07:29:07
Remember when we didn't get vardy the club issued a statement saying. We will now concentrate on pursuing other targets. Since then we signed asano and holding neither is ready for the first team.

How embarrassing for a club the size of arsenal to get mugged off by vardy and not respond. People take note of such actions and to be fair it's not the first time we have been publicly humiliated when signing a player. remember 40 mill and a pound?!

That is why we are not top drawer anymore. Players know arsenal play games in the transfer market and probably don't take us as serious as in the past. It's been 3 or 4 weeks and we can't get mustafi over the line. Either pay up or move on its super embarrassing for a club of our size! We have no chance of buying a top player with such mentality.

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17 Aug 2016 09:02:22
I would not be surprised if players and agents use Arsenal as a way to get better contract offers from their own clubs. It is a pretty safe and smart tactic - they can spread whatever rmours they like. They know we will not deny them. Everyone knows what sort of players we need and everyone knows we will not pay the amounts needed to get them.
Hence the agents know there is no danger the player will actually be sold to Arsenal. So they can drop hints about being interested even to the extent that 'personal terms have been agreed' knowing nothing will ever happen.

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17 Aug 2016 10:07:50
Shouldn't this be on the conspiracy page?

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17 Aug 2016 00:54:45
So, apparently we agreed personal terms with Mustafi.

That was over a week ago and despite Liverpool scoring 4 goals against us in 18 minutes at Emirates, we are still no closer to signing him because we are haggling over the price.

Somebody needs to pull their finger out of their Arsenal.

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17 Aug 2016 07:42:59
I'd almost forgotten the window was still open :-) , I don't think it will change much if he comes or not really.
If we do sign him or anyone else it won't be because of the clubs ambitions for Arsenal on the field success it will be a PR exercise to keep the fan unrest at bay.
The club is happy we already have what it takes to bring champions league participation again next season hence no real desire to spend unnecessarily.

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17 Aug 2016 09:09:26
The door when it comes to Arsenal is that huge chrome round one you see in the movies with a massive steel wheel on the front and those 1' round bolts protruding out of the sides.

You can picture Wenger sat next to it, stethoscope stuck to the door, desperately spinning the little numbered wheel around trying to open it. πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚.

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17 Aug 2016 09:35:23
Yep Red,
Mission Impossible' springs to mind.

Good old Ethan Wenger.

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17 Aug 2016 10:09:43
I was with you there red dog until you said we get was trying to open it. More like changing the combination every five mins to make sure no one can get in lol.

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17 Aug 2016 11:39:21
Yes, but we can't agree a fee with his club, who reportedly want Β£30m, when we wish to pay Β£20m.

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