Arsenal Banter Archive February 17 2015

 

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17 Feb 2015 22:42:26
In both league and cup games at old trafford the stakes are going to be very high for both sides and failure very hard to accept, I predict a return to former open hostilities on and off the pitch not to mention the tunnel, pizza's at the ready lads

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17 Feb 2015 23:09:49
I'm sure ed25 will be ready and waiting with hand fulls of kebabs.

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{Ed025's Note - thats a pitta ful suggestion MgM..

18 Feb 2015 09:42:45
025,

And you have the audacity to moan about my jokes? ๐Ÿ˜Š

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{Ed025's Note - but mine are good dags,, :)

Jokes? What jokes? i'm away for a few hours and I must of missed these "jokes" you speak of?

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17 Feb 2015 21:23:32
Cavani would be so good for us. Pay the money

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{Ed025's Note - i agree DG..very expensive..but worth it..

Now that is a "Light Bulb moment" said a doubting Thomas. ๐Ÿ˜ฏ


YNWA

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{Ed025's Note - you should have bought him with the cannibal money mick...instead of the dead head from italy and lackadaisical lambert..

No doubt Cavani is a very very good player, but for the money they want and the salary he's on, means its about 110% unlikely to happen.

PSG are maybe a pgba or hazard away from being on the same level as Bayern, Madrid and Barcelona...saying that the fear factor comes from ibrahimovic, john terry was more worried about him than keeping a tight line with cahill.

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Very conservative terminology Ed ๐Ÿ‘ž๐Ÿ‘ž

Rickeeee said to be leaving

Wants to play for a Big Club ๐ŸŽป๐ŸŽป๐ŸŽป


YNWA

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I read that ibra and cavani don't get on and sometimes refuse to pass to each other

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17 Feb 2015 23:19:31
I'm pretty sure Ibra doesn't get on with Ibra half the time

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18 Feb 2015 06:40:27
Benzema or Cavani? I'd much rather Benzema...

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17 Feb 2015 22:32:05
Bit harsh Ed.

The dead head from Italy scored his first prem goal last week.

I'm no accountant, but that goal cost Liverpool ยฃ16m.

Money well spent :-)

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Wouldnt mind either lemon. i think when cavani is on it he's more of a predator and ruthless, benzema not so. both would be a massive statement,

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Back to fantasy football.

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Sizemick, did you just say that Rickie Lambert might be leaving Liverpool because he wants to play for a big team? haha.

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Why are they fantasy football players. we will buy a big name this summer. and will keep adding. we are no longer buying 13million pound strikers.

we will buy a big player this summer., others may buy two or three but we will get a biggie. we could buy benzema cavani if we wanted to hood

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Well the thing is like this, we have 4 CF's, why would we buy one more. Giroud, Wellbeck, Sanogoo, and now Akpom. Why would we go in for another striker?

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It was a little dig at Ed025 TPG, Loo kackoo as he fondly calls him.๐ŸŽฏ


YNWA

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No longer buying 13mil strikers derby? welbeck?
hood that strike force can you honestly say that can compete with costa, remy, drogba(probs someone else next season, but likely to be better than sanogo and welbeck)
aguero, bony, dzeko, jovetic
we need benzema/lacazette/similar quality, giroud, welbeck, akpom

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Maybe hood because one day we will wantto win the title again. Iv said ages ago sonogo isn't up to it. I wouldn't even start him for palace. I'd rather sell him and get danny ings on a free

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Sanogoo certainly doesn't count and Akpom needs to be loaned out .

So another look at the striking department is needed

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17 Feb 2015 20:34:21
So do you guys think we will beat man u in the fa cup

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{Ed025's Note - absolutely no doubt stephen..

I am absolutely 100% convinced they won't beat us Stephen, the only slight question is will we beat ourselves before we go on the pitch! After winning at city I think we'll be ok this time as Arsene has seen time and again what doesn't work and now what does so all is looking good for us.
As Ed says its ours to lose because ability wise we're counties rather than streets ahead of them

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17 Feb 2015 20:53:24
You don't know how happy your optimism makes me g62 lol.

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{Ed025's Note - thats not optimism chris, to be honest mate utd have got away with murder this season, i would like you to tell me who out of the utd side would get in the arsenal one!...de gea is a shoe in, maybe rooney..but then im struggling fella..

If we reproduce the man city game, definitely. But we need to step up on what we are doing at the mo. We couldn't beat the worst man u team for twenty years last year in our own back yard. Some of our players have to grow some balls.

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{Ed025's Note - you could..and should..have been 4 up at half time steve, grow a set man and back your team!.. :)

17 Feb 2015 21:34:02
Totally agree Ed.

De Gea and Rooney for sure.
The rest would just about make our bench.

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17 Feb 2015 21:51:07
Rooney wouldn't make our bench in my arsenal pick right now, would rather have giroud up top and rather cazorla, coq, Rambo, wilshere, รถzil, sanchez any of our midfielders over rooney

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{Ed025's Note - hes quality saint, but at the moment does not seem arsed, maybe all that money has gone to his big fat head..

Ed 25 you answered my statement perfectly, we didn't score and we didn't beat a very very poor man u. If we want to stay fourth, then yes carry on as we are, if we want to get back in the big league we need men not boys.

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{Ed025's Note - that was just one of those days steve, giroud will sort that sorry defence out mate..

Rooneys been really poor but being played out of position where he doesn't know what to do can't be good for his confidence and making him look poor( reminds me of ozil on the wing, maybe van gaal and wenger are sharing the same water) drop rvp/falcao play rooney up top and herrera in midfield still i hape van gaal stays stubborn or do you think someones pressuring him to play all 3 strikers? :)

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17 Feb 2015 22:17:42
I really struggle with the Rooney is quality comments, yes there was a Rooney, maybe 2008/2009 who would have got in any team but for me he has regressed.

I watch him thinking where has all this hype come from, the running around huffing and puffing, the silly little run up to free kicks a penalties, which are about the only thing he still has in his locker, his general poor play all of which was summed up by ed01 when he said this about him:

Anyone who thinks he is a great player is biased. He is a good player, but he is a headless chicken, never in the right area to make the best use of his skill set. He causes problems off the pitch, he is too stupid to coach effectively, hence why he has never improved from the young lad who burst onto the scene. Sorry but he would not be rated as anything special if he wasn't English. Oh and don't get me started on his first touch, which more often than not is woeful for a player with his quality of technique, which shows a lazy mind not concentrating properly. Plus his constant desire to whack long balls when that is not the best option and usually ends up turning over possession is frustrating. Rooney could have been great, and the only person to blame for him not being great is him.

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For a few year's now Chris watching us lose to or be held by you is like watching Mohammad Ali get beat by Julian Clary, I can only assume rohynol has been heavily involved somewhere along the line.
So we have got ourselves a sniffer dog called Le Coq, following the game if you'd like your memory to be completely wiped out there should be a glut of the stuff available in the Manchester area mate ;-)

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Going on that glowing endorsement by Ed001 he should have listened to his mother and got a proper job ๐ŸŽ“


YNWA

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17 Feb 2015 23:22:18
I think if you watched Rooney week in week out you'd see how much he does for United, he is quality, gives 100% will play anywhere and do what's asked of him, I'd have in a heartbeat.

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Manu for me have rvp rooney falcao all fighting for one place. Neither are overly fast. If it was me id play one uptop and two wingers.

I feel either of them three upfront for us would have so many chances and would score a fair amount

On Rooney he is a old 28. Body shape lifestyle have taken its toll. I was always a bigger tevez fan than Rooney. Similar player. The rvp signing killed Rooney.

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18 Feb 2015 12:22:08
Can anyone remember Coquelin's Premier League debut? It's in a pub quiz I'm doing...

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17 Feb 2015 15:28:10
I got pulled over by the police at 2am this morning and they said "where are you driving to at this time"

So i replied "i'm on my way to a lecture on alcohol abuse, smoking and staying out late and the effects it has on your health"

The Copper replied " who on earth is taking that lecture at this hour?"

"That'll be the wife" i replied

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17 Feb 2015 20:40:00
Hehe what you like mate?

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{Ed025's Note - hes after your crown dags...and to be honest i think he deserves it mate..

17 Feb 2015 21:36:43
Ed,

He thinks he's a contender, but he's just a pretender :-)

(I like him, but don't tell him mate).

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{Ed025's Note - mums the word..

He told me dags, can't trust those scousers, just sent him a large donner kebab and he sung like a canary!

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17 Feb 2015 15:13:03
On another note what a dive from Rooney, gets away with it, but poor Eduardo was called a cheat.

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I think there was contact, but he did play for it you could see by where he sent the ball, shame really as Rooney is quality but really does not know where he should be playing.

The OX reminds me a lot of a younger Rooney, only without the attitude

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17 Feb 2015 15:50:12
It's not the first time he's done it, and doubt it will be the last.

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There was contact yes, but he could have stayed on his feet, he decided to go down 10 seconds latter, which is highly unforgivable by me, for that type of Quality Player.

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17 Feb 2015 18:20:43
But poor old Eduardo did dive, like so many others do week I week out.

The problem isn't the divers it's the fact that the FA don't have the balls to ban high profile players for doing it or had and stand up to Managers like Jose or Fergie when they do, send a player off or ban him for diving and you'd soon have a dive free game

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{Ed025's Note - your right mate..

Dint that happen to torress

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17 Feb 2015 14:08:42
might change my name to the fisherman on this site. you lot really do bite well lol. if Manchester United play like they did last night you will stuff them.

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I like Quaver better :-)

I know it's cheesey but suits you

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17 Feb 2015 20:42:44
We should call him the paver.

Because every time he comes on here, we walk all over him.

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{Ed025's Note - or the anti-dags...cos everyone laughs at him..

17 Feb 2015 10:16:23
Our current form, especially our attacking mids. We can win at OT. I'll be surprised if many disagree with that statement on here.

But we really struggle there, as much as we do against Chelsea, it's got to be something deep down, we must have a thought process when we go there and get scared.

Talent wise? We win hands down. No doubt about it, and I hope Sanchez has the mentality that we have seen all year, relentless, ruthless, an unstoppable force at times, let him off the chain, Arsene.

Please Arsene, don't try and find a way of getting Wilshere into the team;
Coq Santi
Sanchez ร–zil Walcott
That'll do for me fine thank you! Santi is turning into more of a complete midfeilder day by day, putting a shift in, in the holding role and playing defence splitting passes in attack. Roll on the next round draw I say!

We can win if we think we can. That's the only thing holding us back.

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17 Feb 2015 10:38:13
Couldn't agree more and posted further down that it is a mentality thing and we need to get that monkey off our back just like we did beating City.

Was also thinking exactly the same about Wilshere, whilst I love him, he doesn't seem to control his emotions against United, almost wants it to much and under performs.

They will up their game but there is little doubting we have the ability to do it.

Can't wait for the game.

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Could'nt agree more guys, that's where AW needs to step up and convince the players.

This is where someone like TH14 needs to be around to motivate and boost the players, someone who has been there and done it.

They were not good again last night, Ronney does'nt know where to play, Falcao looks dire, there defence is double shakey and their players body language doesn't look good. Before anyone say's it I know they have only lost once in 19 games but we are playing much better than them at the moment

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From the game at the emirates they scored one and we fluffed chance after chance after chance.

don't think its only mental, when the clinical aspect is just not there.

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How can this be a mental thing, the team is quite changed from when he had problems beating them, so saying its a mental block is no reason to me. We have a different set of players now from the 8-2 drubbing.

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WHEN we had, we still do, or have I missed something.

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17 Feb 2015 13:41:05
Hood I think it was a mental thing and something we let get the better of us.

Yes we had a load of chances last time around and were far the better team but still lost.

1 point out of the last 9 when United have been at their poorest is pathetic under any guise.

It's just breaking the pattern, yes we have a new belief but this is another step for that belief to leap over.

So mentally they have to be on the money exactly as they were against City. Everything else is there.

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It is a mental thing and an ability thing. You have to be mentally strong to go to big games and assert your authority. People like ramsey, gibbs, walcott, kos, caz, ox, shez, rosicky giroud mert etc, with the exception of the man city game ( which has yet to be followed up with three or four similar performances to prove it wasnt a fluke) constantly go into their shells in big games. Big teams have bjg players who crave to be the best., we have not shown that for years. Big players don't make boo boos in games and they grow to the next level, with mental control and unwavering belief. We have a habit of looking like boys against men and until we get that out of our dna we will always be behind.

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I totally agree with Steve. On paper, out starting 11 is better. But they have big match players in RVP and Rooney. People who are capable of stealing the match with just one opportunity in the whole 90 while our boys can miss sitter after sitter

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Even if its a mental thing what i am saying is it shldnt be, since the players are different, i would find it as a wierd excuse if that's the case..

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17 Feb 2015 09:07:53
Banter please ed as the original post is now someway down the page. Thanks.

Banbury,

Firstly it's difficult to blame Wenger for the Giroud signing because he arrived in the era of the maximum ยฃ16 million pound player. And as much as most like Giroud, the lack of pace was highlighted on at least 3 occasions in the Boro match alone, none more so than when Ozil or Cazorla have the ball, Giroud is on the shoulder of the last defender and they have to check back as the ball they want to play, ala the one slid through for Theo which he subsequently missed, is not an option.

He doesn't take on and go around a man and he misses far to many simple chances as well as not having the ability to make goals out of nothing as SA and DC do. Some of his touches against Boro were also poor when trying to play others in. Yes he does warrant a place but that is an indictment of our lack of a better option. Welbeck given the opportunity has shown he is not it.

The other thing of note at the weekend where the comments he made himself about his self belief which every great striker has in abundance, they don't have to keep telling themselves they can do it, they know they can do it.

Yes he scored two very good goals and if Theo and Ramsey regularly had the goal tally's of previous seasons with Ozil and Cazorla doing the same it wouldn't be such a problem. Last season everyone complained of City having scored 100 odd goals and us being down in the 70's. The comment "he needs to add goals to his game" crops up, like you say, with all our midfielders, those I have mentioned plus the Ox and Wilshere.

Going back to Welbeck, I'm still scratching my head, who is he an upgrade on, better work ethic than Podolski, less goals, is he his long term replacement. United sold him for a reason and again whilst it's difficult not to like the guy, is he an answer. If so, to what. Like I said when given the opportunity he didn't take it. I have doubts Wenger will be able to turn him into anything better. Akpom would seem the more likely right now to achieve that and Walcott is already a better option.

If Wenger had purchased DC for the same money or he buys Higuian, Benzema or Lacazette then people will say Olivier who. I'm not saying he is useless, his record shows he is not but my comparison to the fact people want world class CB and DM's also carries over to strikers. We need one.

The big clubs tend to have four strikers at least one of whom is an Aguero or a Costa, if we added Benzema, Higuain or Laczaette to Giroud, Welbeck and Akpom then I think we'd all be a lot happier. Well I know I would.

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Good reply Red.

Its all about opinions of course but the midfields lack of goals is key, we were 30 + behind, how many more goals do people want him yo add to his game, he is a 20 + striker ample, surely A.N.Other is the issue?? If we had 2 strikers that could have an input of 20+ we would be nearly there.

As for Wellbeck, I am a tad disappointed. .so far.

Maybe he hasn't had enough starts yet in his favoured position.

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17 Feb 2015 10:44:37
With Giroud as our main striker, midfield is key and it's like we're already into the realms of hoping they can step up NEXT season as they have yet to do it this and that is a huge bug bear with everyone.

I've little doubt we have some fantastic attacking options and I would actually like to see a front three of Sanchez, Welbeck and Walcott, pace and movement with the ability of all of them to play anywhere across the front 3 positions. Walcott and Sanchez are proven scorers but as yet not near the coveted 30 a season required from a top striker. The snag with that is none of them hold the ball up well but would that be deemed a problem?

But like you I still remain disappointed for now but unsurprised by Welbecks inability to kick on.

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Vaild again RD

But as you say the 3 you name do not hold the ball up as well as Giroud, but Giroud lacks the pace.do you settle for the in between as AW is doing with the quickies getting up to OG rapidly

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I want to see a front 3 of ox wallcot and sanchez i think theo deserves a shot through the middle, welbeck failed to take his chance for me (this is when theo is fully back to full fitness and giroud rested or injured) i just think he's never really been given a good run up top and welbeck failed to impress when giroud was injured, but i would also like lacazette/benzema... and also a date with mila kunis if i can have everything i want :)

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Gutted we got shafted on higuain. 25mill would of been a solid signing.

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17 Feb 2015 08:25:06
Yay, we get to beat them twice now. They have had it coming for a while now. I predict two 3-0 wins at OT. Bring it on!

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Best of luck with those then.

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Davros, I like your confidence, just don't bet your mortgage on it, or your wages come to that. In fact not even a friendly bet.

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{Ed025's Note - why not steve?...i will be putting a pretty wedge on the fact mate..

ED's so you really think we will go away to OT in the cup and league and win 3-0 on both occasions.

Never

2 x 1-1 draws are more likely

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{Ed025's Note - you will always be a glass half empty kinda guy BG, have faith mate..

And you my friend are always a tad too optimistic.

3-0 and 3-0

Never in a trillion years

:) x

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{Ed025's Note - "always look on the bright side of life".. :)

17 Feb 2015 08:23:30
For us to have improved we need to go to Old Trafford and win, a defeat for me will show we are still miles away.

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17 Feb 2015 06:54:05
Good luck lads, I would of preferred someone else next but hey hoe it is what it is.

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Im happy with it Chris because your awful but affective and we need to come to old Trafford and win at some point.
Were all buzzing after the draw and with all due respect if either side had drawn Blackburn that feeling just wouldn't be there, I hope both sides turn up at their best on the day and we have a classic FAcup quarter Final.
How many days to go? I'm excited already

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You're a bit less confident now aren't you CR?

Falcao's face last night when he was subbed told a story did'nt it?

Joking aside will be a cracking game, whoever wins deserves to win the cup, shame it's not the final

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17 Feb 2015 13:34:31
Always confident when playing arsenal, if all goes to plan u will over commit, and as normal we catch u on the break.

Yes I hope it will be a cracker, shame it's not the final but I guess operation get Gerrard to wembly was more important :)

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17 Feb 2015 13:36:56
On falcao the board did seem to show the number 8, me and my friends couldn't figure it out as that's matas number and unless he had a shocker he was not playing. I'm guessing falcao saw the same.

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17 Feb 2015 00:18:00
Thats good then, according to some on here, that's like a bye to the semis for us then.

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Certainly not a bye Steve but a good draw, last season we had tough games but were home on every round and this season home Hull away Brighton home Middleborough.
Surely if we want to be worthy double FA cup winners one big away game has to be expected over the two seasons.
They look poor but keep geting results if we can't change that then so be it we don't deserve to retain the cup

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17 Feb 2015 07:47:26
Having started at the top and read down the page I have to ask, was that tongue in cheek, as no one said that was going to be a piece of cake.

I'm with g62, it is a place where over recent years we have mentally failed to beat United, even at the Emirates this season we allowed them to walk away with 3 points.

I think it's a fantastic opportunity to get another monkey off our back which has just come earlier than expected.

It will be no cake walk, we are more than capable of achieving it and we don't have to go and play on Bradfords pitch.

I was genuinely hoping for this draw and it will do a lot towards showing us if we are still pretenders.

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They look poor but keep geting results if we can't change that then so be it we don't deserve to retain the cup

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Yep, agreed we need to play a top team to be worthy winners and if we go out its no shame.

I fancy we can beat them on current form, and if we kept getting lower league teams all the others would say we were lucky.

COYG

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16 Feb 2015 22:49:37
FA Cup.

Man Utd away.

I'm happy with that (would have preferred home).

Man Utd would have always been a massive hurdle, but at least its in our own hands.

Last season we beat Liverpool, Everton and Spurs en route, so we did it the hard way.

We are well capable of beating them, minimum draw and bring them back to fortress Emirates.

Happy with draw.

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Given out performance away against the bigger teams recently I think it's a terrible draw. Sure we can beat them.on our day but who's to say the team that 'showed up' against the spurs won't make an 'appearance' against utd.

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16 Feb 2015 21:33:23
So we've got United at OT next in the cup, probably the worst possible draw imo. Are we still favourites to win it?

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What was you hoping for Barnet under 12s, be brave to excited, its time for the frightened child to become a warrior.
Dont think of what could happen to us but instead think what we should do to them

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G69, Barnet under 12's are a good team! pffffttt

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Worse draw would of been Liverpool away

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{Ed025's Note - i expect arsenal to win DG, united look awful and if the players believe in themselves i cant see them losing..

16 Feb 2015 21:28:32
We didn't want that draw very hard to win it now I think

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16 Feb 2015 20:11:54
Away to Man U then, our record there suggests a draw is the best we can hope for

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17 Feb 2015 07:07:01
This is probably right, a draw is the best hope short of a miracle. They've been gash all year but you know they will turn up against us

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They always do Qzil, I was saying to a mate ( Manc fan ), Man United always lift their game for Arsenal .

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16 Feb 2015 19:46:30
Anddddd we get utd away QF

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16 Feb 2015 19:43:04
at last no brighton or boro but the mighty Manchester United next. one thing to say bye bye lol

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17 Feb 2015 06:53:04
If we don't retain the FA cup will that may you feel better about another year in the europa league? Teehee

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17 Feb 2015 08:08:17
Raver,
Surprised you watched FA Cup draw.

Thought you would be watching EastEnders or NCIS?

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Quaver, didn't see the draw, who did you get?

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Oh just seen it, it seems that you're not in it! If you google "spurs only chance of winning a cup" a picture of mickey mouse comes up!

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16 Feb 2015 19:45:55
Get in there, now let's see us prove our self's at the very place we've underachieved so badly in the past.
This is what the FA cup is about, love it

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16 Feb 2015 18:48:48
As I pointed out to the Oracle yesterday Ozil is simply quality and as much as it's hard not to like Giroud what he brings to the table is for me is outweighed by what he doesn't.

When you think we didn't pay that much less for both Welbeck and Giroud as Chelsea paid for Costa I know who I'd rather have, a two for one swap every day of the week.

It does seem odd that some want a better CB and a better DM to see us win the league but are ok with the quality of Giroud as our main striker. Nothing against the guy but the top two strikers in the Premiership just happen to play for City and Chelsea, the current top two, current Champions and many's Champions elect.

Very valid and good points Red, but do you blame Wenger then for getting two for the price of one? That is AW all over.? Wenger looks at Giroud at 20 + a season man with several assists and then looks to his midfield to chip in with 30 + between them, the problem with our midfield is they couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo, they just don't chip in with enough goals.

I would love SA or DC at Arsenal but that won't happen. For me if we have a striker who gets 20+ and 6-10 assists then that is acceptable as he can't win us the league on his own. Giroud has enough in his game to justify his place, yes pace is in short supply but very rarely to we play along ball game we are tip tap on the edge of the box, which suits Giroud

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I agree. I can't remember the last time a team with a mediocre striker won the league

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