Arsenal Banter Archive June 17 2013

17 Jun 2013 22:54:38
If the Kos rumours are to be believed then we have another massive headache to solve. It might be a little sweetener to get Fabregas back who knows? but at the end of the day I think Kos was playing really well last season and is getting stronger and stronger. It all seems too familiar if he was to go! and I hope not. as our back line needs tidying up. What's the feeling on this?

18 Jun 2013 08:38:53
We buy him for 10 m and becomes a French international. Our most consistent player. one of the finest ball playing central defenders in the league which results in some clown in the papers saying we will sell him for 9.5m. Great article. try 25m+. or better still don't sell him at all. Vermaelen surely won't be captain next season. Kos would be a good vice captain km

17 Jun 2013 22:19:07
I think it would be great to resign Sagna, one more year of learning for Jenks and one less opening to fill.

One mid and a striker and we are in the championship chasing business.

out!

17 Jun 2013 19:48:44
Been keeping quiet on the posting front till we actually have some confirmed signings or rock solid info. However 2 issues have come up which I can't in good conscience stay quiet on. 1. Nani is pants, he is consistently inconsistent, more frustrating than a 20 yr old Walcott, so up his own arse it makes Bendtner look the shy and retiring type. We do not need or want him anywhere near our club even if Man U were paying us 8. 5M to take him.
2. Kos, am glad he is wanted by the two top teams in Europe it shows that we have a defender of absolute quality and class, a player coming into his prime years and ready to dominate his position on the very best level/stage. What does boil my urine however is the jokish valuation of 15M (9M in one paper) that seems to have been tagged to him. If David Luiz the red card waiting to happen is valued at 30M are they saying Kos is only half defender? It complete bolloc**. As for agent apparently trying to start some bidding war, let's be clear he signed a 5 year contract last year, which in my maths still leaves him with 4 yrs to go. So his only comment when asked about Kos should be ' he is, as previously stated very happy at Arsenal, he is looking forward to next season and pushing the team on to compete for the major titles. Anyone wishing to enquire about his availability should call Mr Wenger and mark all enquiries to the club'.

Thank you

Holmesy

My thoughts exactly.

Nani is a descent player, probably he has been playing second fiddle to Ronaldo such that he has lost confidence in himself. Definitely not a priority but would be a Good addition

17 Jun 2013 19:08:50
With Arsene in talks with the powers that be (Himself) about signing a new contract. You get the feeling that timing is crucial when it comes to any announcement. How that news will be received by a split fan base when it comes to le Professor needs to be firstly acknowledged and then managed.

First Scenario:
Fast forward 3/4 weeks. The transfer window is open and we still haven't signed anyone. Added to that another month of transfer speculation/rumour/lies surrounding the club. Marquee names and no marks being "linked" on a daily basis, and the English media foaming at the mouth with excitement at the thought of sticking the boot in once more.
THEN
All of a sudden at the Emirates. Arsene Wenger has signed a new 4 year contract.
News that would have been received with great delight by all in the past, now is seen by some as news that should be delivered alongside some tumble weed. (Calm down Malaga)
As a very frustrated Wenger supporter I don't want this news to be seen in such a negative light, just out of respect I have for the man, even though I would understand it. So allow me to give you the

Second Scenario:
3/4 weeks have past and Arsenal fans are foaming at the mouth after seeing the first official pictures of Higuain (or any player/s that would have that effect on you) shaking hands with Arsene with one hand and pen firmly grasped in the other. Followed by the obligatory shirt held aloft pose. Times that 3/4 times with the other positions (dm) filled with the quality that's needed.
Finally going into a season for the first time in a long time with a squad that we all believe is good enough to compete for major trophies. Bloody hell I'd take minor trophies just so we could shut up the "You ain't won nothin in the last 8 years" brigade. Which is annoyingly factually correct.
Thus in that frame of mind to top it off we sign a Manager who has experience of winning trophies when he's got class players at his disposal.
at the Emirates. Arsene Wenger has signed a new 4 year contract.
Far more palatable I'm sure you'de agree. Not by all, but by most.

So please Arsenal and Arsene do yourselves a favour when it comes to any annoncement. Make your life a little easier by taking the Freddie Ljungberg approach when it came to his runs.

IT'S ALL ABOUT YOUR TIMING :-)
COME ON YOU GOONERS
Flybo

17 Jun 2013 17:22:33
Rooney needs to come out and make a statement one way or another.

Paul

Dont you think that could be said for every single footballer that has a transfer linked to them? fellaini? rooney? higuain? capoue? cesar?

Every player that arsenal is linked with, says absolutely nothing at all about where they are going/want to go. That in turn, tells me that 99% of what's written online i. e. 'he will sign, 2 weeks done deal' is total garbage.

A lot of people speculate to accumulate on the internet. sad.

Yes but Daniel, think about it, Rooney in particular really should.

Firstly, he's a big boy now, he should be able to speak for himself. Secondly, two seasons ago he threatened to leave Man U and ended up with an improved contract.

It was only about 5 weeks ago that Fergie said he'd left him out of the squad to sort out his head because he's asked for a transfer. While I think it's totally plausible that Fergie could have done that just to be a prick, it's equally plausable that Rooney actually did. And now that RVP is the new poster girl, Man U fans have pretty well turned on Rooney.

Since then, it's 'come out' that he 'never' handed in a TF request. I think it would do him a lot of good to make a simple statement.

17 Jun 2013 21:14:08
He never said a thing regarding transfer request. paper talk. Had a fall out with Fergie because he felt he was t playing enough. media generate these rumours and it goes from there. We are never going to give him 225/250 per week. he won't sign so drop it. Do think Wenger will break transfer record on two occasions. that's not based on Info or facts. don't see the point of making story's up. I really believe a Madrid striker and Everton midfielder will join. but what do I know. km

That nameless response makes me want to hit my head against a wall.

What are story's?

And did you not see the interview after the last Man U game of the season where the guy asks Fergie what is going on with Rooney and he says he's left him out of the team to sort his head out and think about things, and the guy asks him if it's true he handed in a TF request that week and Fergie said yes.

So don't give me paper talk mate I watched the interview as did millions of others!

17 Jun 2013 16:36:39
According to caught off side arsenal are putting 8.5 million bid in for nani I like him think that would be a good singing

Do not listen to that website they do not speak the truth

Caught off side must be the most unreliable source you can find. Although it would be nice if they were right for once.

I remember reading we'd signed lavezzi on a web site once. Bloody jokers. How they continue to get traffic to that site is beyond me the amount of crap they write

17 Jun 2013 14:58:38
Is anyone else worried about this koscielny transfer talk? I haven't seen anyone write about it but its been around for a couple weeks now. I feel like it would be a major blow to the defense and would only weaken our position with potential incoming players. Thoughts? And eds if you have anymore info about it, thanks

I'd be furious if we sold him. Possibly more angry than when we sold the dutch person and Cesc. Especially if we get less than £30m.

Why should we worry. He has just signed a new 4 year deal and while he would be happy to move to Barca we have no reason to sell him, especially not for £9.5m.

If Barca want him Wenger should put a £30m price tag on his head like Villa did with Benteke. I would sell him for £25-£30m but no less

It is a slight worry as it's in more than one paper so it may have some weight behind it.

I think Kos. is happy enough here mind not forgetting that this is the first season he has been regular starter since TV5's dramatic loss of form, so He has only just established himself as a top level defender at a top level club.

Kos has the potential to be one the best defenders in world football (Argubly our best performing player this year) as he all the attributes just needs to show his class on a more consistant basis over more than one season.

It be a worrying sign if we did lose him as it shows we are willing to lose our upcoming young stars.

Bayern or Barcelona, won't touch him with a 100 meter stick, if we quote them over 25 mill.

mainly because all their other targets cost that or in excess of that fee.

I do hope we keep him and all that talk Ivan has been spouting is true and not just another year of excuses.

Its interesting that whilst all the players arsenal want to buy, have said nothing at all about coming to us. Koscielny has come out and said that he could leave arsenal if they don't show ambition.
There is more chance of kosc leaving arsenal, than there is of arsenal signing fellaini/rooney/higuain - and yet, people act like its the opposite.

Daniel, you are either a spurs fan or live in alternate universe.

If I were wenger I would say, publicaly barca could have koscielny if they gave us 20 million messi and fabregas put the rumours to bed for once

Bergkamp5353

17 Jun 2013 13:01:05
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David Orntsein BBC
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All indicating these deals to happen

Cesar#
Fellani#
Higuain#
Grenier#

Regarding Fabregas there's a slim slim chance he will leave Barcelona but if he does he is coming home.

Ornstein said no to Cesar coming to Arsenal

Paul

I feel next season would be the right time to sign fabregas, let's ay we establish our self with a comfertable 3rd place maybe a 2nd, if wenger brings in fabregas it would get us to the games and still leave new players who I hope will sign, e.g fellani and higuain time to settle and be stars

Bergkamp5353

I don't buy the Cesc rumours, we did not want to sell him, the same way barcelona don't want to.

Its paper talk, he has said he wants to stay again and again, his agent has said absolutely nothing, considering he should have if there was some truth.

Barcelona have said nothing.

the only stance is, if a significant offer comes, he is available. but then so is Bale if a significant offer comes, everyone has a price.

17 Jun 2013 12:38:50
Lewandowski will stay at Dortmund for another season. Which makes me think he'll push for a Bayern move next summer.

Paul

He can go where he wants next summer as he will be on a free

Offer him stupid money for once, if we don't spend on the transfer fee we could give him 150k to 200k

17 Jun 2013 11:52:45
Ah the modern game of football, where money means everything. i'm not going to speak of RVP or nasri or cesc. rather beaten to death with those topics, rather say what is happening NOW.

Falcao - Joins Monaco, practically a QPR of the french league, with a better history, however nothing is guaranteed but the money is. I don't really rate james rodriguez and moutinho any better than what we have in say poldi and cazorla. younger perhaps. but 60 mill?

Lewandowski - this is a player I purely hate. he is what is wrong with the world today. He wants only Bayern, not chelsea, city, united or real, only bayern. Claims it is to win, and not for money, however his package seems to state otherwise, and will most likely force his way to bayern, with dortmund holding firm to let him walk for free, I would find it hard to believe they can refuse 25 mill, merely for principle. if so. (Arsene, this is what football is about. the club not money)

Cavani - 53 mill buyout - player trying to push trade, owner trying to be greedy, what more is there to say

Suarez - considering the madness liverpool have gone through to keep him, he is clearly capable of biting them exactly where it hurts.

Bale - Said nothing, done nothing - been professional so far, throw 80 mill and things might get interesting, however I like the fact he is not pushing himself out the door.

Neymar - apparently took less money to join barcelona, however if you want to be a sidekick to messi, you can't really claim to be the best player in the world. can you MR PELE.

Ronaldo - i'm sad, i'm sad, nothing is agreed i'm sad ( one word money -its never enough)

Wow just wow! Ure knowledge knows no bounds mate, u dnt rate those players? Same level as pod and caz? U are deluded.
Chris the REDman

Very good post. It is indeed all about the money, but I don't think that is the fault of the players - and if someone flipped a switch and footballers were all of a sudden earning only 5k a week, I think they would still all be desperate to be footballers. Monaco is funny though. They don't even have champions league football next year, so the players that do join them, are definitely 100% all about the money.

Why are you pointing out the fact that money is what makes the footballing world go round nowadays? That isn't some revolutionary statement, it's just a fact and I guess we have to live with it.

There's so much money involved in football, honestly it's probably the richest industry you can get involved in, and you're denouncing these players as purely 'money grabbing' - can you honestly say that if you were the Colombian Falcao, having been at Atletico for just a couple of years so no genuine affinity, that you wouldn't turn down doubled wages at Monaco, perhaps an up-and-coming club in one of the most glamorous areas of the world?

Your castigation of Lewandowski is strange considering Bayern are not one of the oil-rich clubs, they're one of the few superclubs which have got there not through a sugar daddy. Obviously it stinks a bit to move to a direct rival, but it's Bayern Munich. The treble-winning 'FC Hollywood' of world football that everyone admires. But sure, he's purely going for money.

Footballers move for three reasons, for me. To play in the first place, which would possibly mean downsizing but to get regular football. Established stars will move for ambition - to be part of a project, i. e. some of the players we sign will be because we've sold them a project and not past glory. Then finally players move for money for the simple fact that they have short careers, and so grabbing what you can may seem the sensible option.

I don't like it any more than the next man, but money is just the next revolution in football and I think rather than moaning about how the superstars of world football have had their heads turned, we should get on with supporting the fact that we've got our current riches the right way, and will hopefully progress on to better things in a manner becoming of Arsenal's class.

You guys crack me up.

Definately all about money? Who cares? Would you move to the south of France for a 200% pay rise? To ply your trade with some of the best players and live a wonderful life? Only a fool or hopeless romantic would not consider it.
Lewandowski - critised for wanting Bayern yet turning down City/Chelsea and the liek offerinbg fortunes? yet you hate him?
Neymar - critised for taking a pay cut to play for the team he wants to play for? you have some crazy logic Lakerville!

Rob G

Thanks RED, I pride in my delusion.

Atleast I can say that i'm not the original plastic fan, i'm sure you pride with that everyday.

17 Jun 2013 14:18:40
Chris you're being pretty petty to pick on that one aspect which questioned ability and price.

Appreciate you have been stalking Lakerville for a while but try and take in all the post and reply with something that doesn't just make you look like a proper tw4t.

17 Jun 2013 15:59:12
@ Rob G - I understand money is what motivates everyone and everything, in today's society, however I would like to point to those who don't think of it as a be all and end all for their survival.

Messi - at barcelona earning million, and if he was put up for sale, he would earn triple of what he earns now. Do you see him say he is not happy? he constantly reiterates his desire to only play for them and head back home.

xavi, iniesta, Giggs, Scholes, Schweinsteiger, Lampard, Gerrard, Ramos, Puyol, Maldini, Del piero, off the top of my head.

Do you think no other team wanted these players?

on Lewandowski, he has never stayed at a club beyond two years, everywhere he has gone, he has created turmoil on departure, read about his previous exits. And he is forcing Dortmund to say its bayern or I walk free.

Also for him to turn down Man utd? something has to give surely.

Neymar - I did not slight him, it was more about the hype, of being a GOD, while playing as a sidekick.

and yes I have crazy logic, because not all of us are born to be football managers.

17 Jun 2013 23:38:03
@Bayern M. choosing to keep Lewandowski for one more season: you cannot get the best from a player whose mind is elsewhere!

17 Jun 2013 10:03:39
arsenal want to sign Manchester United winger Nani who has a year left on his contact at old Trafford
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We don't need their crap. we have our own.