Arsenal Banter Archive June 17 2014

 

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17 Jun 2014 23:39:22
My mate is seriously ill in hospital after taking an E.

The security guards on Countdown don't mess about.

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18 Jun 2014 06:44:22
Yes mate I heard they took the P out of him.

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18 Jun 2014 07:42:27
Is that a tumble weed I see golds lol :-)

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18 Jun 2014 09:24:43
Haha love it DG. Goldboy. take a lap.

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18 Jun 2014 11:59:28
Thank you Redrosie.

Haha Goldboy, you know I'm king of the jokes.

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17 Jun 2014 23:50:53
Hope we sign Ochoa!

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18 Jun 2014 00:33:42
He is a free agent and apparently Arsenal are interested.

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{Ed002's Note - Within the past hour or two? What about the talks already planned with two other clubs after he makes the June 30 watershed?}

18 Jun 2014 00:50:14
I'm well familiar w Ochoa and he barely holds down the Mexican number 1 spot consistently

He's supposedly been the next big thing for years now

Good yes, for us, no. Flavor of the day does not constitute an Arsenal GK.

If you want to spend, go get Begovic

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18 Jun 2014 00:59:49
Not sure Ed but just seen a report on sports channel, not Twitter I promise.

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{Ed002's Note - Great news then.}

18 Jun 2014 03:27:26
I remember him being ridiculed by PSG fans, for his poor performances last season. He gets a few shots hit straight at him by Silva and Neymar and all of a sudden, he's a goalkeeping messiah!

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18 Jun 2014 16:30:53
Exactly outback

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17 Jun 2014 23:21:42
To Chimney Sweep.

Re Remy.

Mate, I don't think you are looking at the most important thing.

POTENTIAL.

People talk about the brilliance of Thierry, and rightly so, but what was he before he came to Arsenal?

He was pretty much a laughing stock at Juventus, even by his own fans.
3 goals in 16 games, albeit as a winger.

What Wenger saw was POTENTIAL, so he signed him and stuck him down the middle.
The rest as they say, is history.

How many World Class players have Arsenal signed over the last 20 years?
Bergkamp? Overmars? Seaman? Ozil?

Arsenal, by tradition, don't sign world class players. We buy players with potential and turn them into world class players.

Was Henry a great player before joining Arsenal?
Petit?
Vieira?
Ljungberg?
Pires?
Wright?

The list is endless, but what Wenger does is see's the potential and turns them into great players.

I'm not saying Remy is the finished product, far from it.
He's 27, some would say that's the age strikers reach their maturity.
He has a goal ratio of 1 goal in every 2 games, playing for the likes of Nice, Marseille, QPR and Newcastle.

That means he has been assisted by the likes of Abel Taraabt, Cabaye, Tiote, Marveaux, Gabriel Obertan, Ben Arfa, Vernon Anita and Cisse, hardly great players, but he still manages to score 1 goal every 2 games and has a shots on target ratio of 68%.

Now, stick him in an Arsenal shirt and he has the likes of Ozil, The Ox, Cazorla, Ramsey Wilshere, Podolski, Walcott and Rosicky supplying him the ball.

What does that suggest to you?

I'm not saying he's my first choice striker, far from it, but in my opinion, Wenger will stick with Olly Giroud, and rightly so.

But I would love us to play 4-4-2 with olly and Remy up front. He would be the perfect partner for Olly.

He is super fast, plays off the shoulder of the defender, if you give him a through ball, which is how our midfield like to play, he would slaughter most defenders and leave them for dead.

He can play upfront on his own or in a 4-4-2 formation and his link up play is very very good.

For me, he is a bargain, bearing in mind he is available for £8-10m and wants to come to Arsenal.

No brainer in my book.

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{Ed025's Note - good argument that dags..

17 Jun 2014 23:58:49
He is exactly what Ozil needs plus the team. The team needs pace and I think that's why Cesc was overlooked. Look at Lehmann's article of how the team evolved from one touch invincibles to 4 touch Cesc team. Don't get me wrong, Cesc is world class but not what we need
I want the return of us defending a corner one second and then - cole, Pires, Henry then Goal within seconds due to pace.
We scared people and that made defending easier fir us.
Griezmann, Theo, Remy, Ox and Rambo being supplied by Ozil plus one would be awesome.
Pace scares defenders

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18 Jun 2014 00:18:15
Absolutely SY4

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If at 27 it's still about 'potential' then it's just not good enough. And I don't think he has the potential anyway. You think he'll run on the shoulder of defenders and be prolific. I think he'll run on the shoulder of defenders and waste loads of chances like he has in his whole career, be useless and never be prolific in front of goal, even when in France when the league wasn't even as good as it is now. He's crap . let's just sign asamoah gyan because there's a 3% chance he'll be a slightly above average footballer. The only reason you fancy remy is because you heard a rumour and there's a romanticism in football that turned your head a bit. That's all. He's not good enough, and it'll take a lot of wasted money and another failure of a season to show you that.

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27 Dags you sure? I heard him and Samuel Eto'o were at school together, Eto'o said his lessons were his favorite :-)

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18 Jun 2014 07:48:41
To be fair arsenal were crying out for a striker with pace last season to stretch the AM open to allow the likes of oezil and cazorla to play there game.
Giroud is an ok striker imo on his day he can hurt teams but he's just a little to predictable IMO.
Anyways it dnt really matter who u sign utd well walk it! Lol sorry couldn't say that with a straight face!

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18 Jun 2014 08:02:58
Well if Chimney says it than it must be true.

I guess that's the only opinion that counts.

End of discussion really.

Mate, write a list of players you want us to sign, give it to Wenger, and hey presto, next season we will win Premier league and Champions league.

problem solved.

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Oh I see, you're only happy if people agree with your opinion, and if they think you're wrong you get upset. I stated my opinion. You stated yours. You shouldn't get upset about it, that's just silly. You think you're right, I think I am - that's what opinions are. If we sign him and he does well, you'll be proved right. If we sign him and it's a failure then I'm right.

The potential argument would hold more water with me if he didn't have such a crap attitude.

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{Ed025's Note - it is all about opinions CS mate, and i have mentioned his attitude before which is not great..not you dags..remy.. :)

I think dags got the wrong end of the stick in thinking I had a problem with him - it's remy I don't like ;-) even if I'd never seen him play, snubbing Newcastle at the last minute for pretty much a relegation certainty, simply for some extra cash, says a lot to me.

But, and there's always a but, Ian wright I guess wasn't much more than a lazy git with a bad attitude when he joined us, so you never know.

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17 Jun 2014 22:33:27
I have just come to terms that we didn't need fabregas, that Wenger showed a great deal of faith in Ozil and it should be a big confidence boost for next season for him.

Then I heard Carzola's comments, and I'm back to square one. Cesc is worth 10 carzola's

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And what do you base that on? Cazorla at least scored a goal in a cup final for us before deciding to get itchy feet.

Fabregas on the other hand left Arsenal knowing very well that he had unfinished business at the Emirates.

Im not saying he is a bad player but you should be happy we that we "turned him down". It only means we have moved on and so should we.

Sh!t I wish one of my ex's would crawl back to me asking if i'd want to give a second go only for me to bring out someone just as fyyne as her sorry ar$e and say. no thanks
If only

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Agreed rampant white rabbit.

What sticks in my memory is a CL game against Barcelona. Can't remember if it was home or away, but it was the season he left. Was an absolute disgrace. Played poorly, looked like he didn't care and knew he was off, and gave lots of hugs and Spanish kisses to te Barcelona boys.

Wanted him gone from that moment. If he came back it'd never have been the same for me.

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17 Jun 2014 22:08:39
We are split very firmly into 3 distinct groups regarding this window.
A those who are unshakably confident (including the Eds) this will be a very good summer for us.
B those of us who were shocked we didn't want Cesc and fear rather than expect another quite bargain hunt summer.
C those who are all to ready to believe the ridiculous Tom Cleverly Gareth Barry stories and are ready to start a protest at a moments notice.
Personally I'm in group B I'm worried of more Higuain and Matta transfer saga's but very hopeful of Ozil ones instead

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I'm with you mate. But I wouldn't be upset with Barry, think he's a good player.

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I'm in none of those; I don't think it'll be superb and lots of quality signings. I didn't think we needed cesc, and not at all c. I am almost A, but think it'll only be 3 top players at most, and possibly a squad player or two. But that relies on the players that will strengthen your team actually being available, and wanting to come to Arsenal above anyone else. So I'm not confident. I'm hopeful. But never confident.

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I place you firmly in group B + then Chimney if that's ok :-)

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Can't ask fairer than that!

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17 Jun 2014 23:23:02
Can I be in Group R?

The Remy group?

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Dags if we buy remy and he flops like a over boiled egg, your going to be hated more than wenger at that time.

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{Ed002's Note - Where do you get your eggs?}

18 Jun 2014 12:04:06
Lakes,

I have always said to trust me on this one.

If we sign him, he will come good mate.

He suits our style of play.

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Monaco ed, finest in the region, i'm shocked you have not tried any, considering you spend time there with the many wives.

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{Ed002's Note - I have lived in Monaco on and off for nearly 20 years and hace never seen boiled eggs that flop over.}

Obviously never tried boiling it in a bugatti veyron doing 5mph, being smug about your eggs ;)

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17 Jun 2014 21:31:24
Is Claude Makelele still playing? If so, wouldn't be a bad signing.? :-)

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17 Jun 2014 22:05:34
I think he is assistant manager at PSG mate

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Oh. Well Karl Henry will do.

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17 Jun 2014 22:25:47
Lol Chimney, scraping the bottom of the barrel springs to mind.

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In that case. "Free Frimpong!"

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17 Jun 2014 20:51:30
Following on from my earlier post.

we have seen a lot of players (I'm not just talking World Cup) get sent off for 2 silly yellow cards ( a slightly mis-timed tackle in first half than kicking ball away 3 yards in 2nd half, for example).

Again, the whole match could be ruined.

Does anybody else think, that perhaps, we could change it to 3 yellows equals a red?.

Jeez, I'm full of great ideas tonight.

Lets hope Sepp Blatter is reading my posts.

Oh hold on, maybe not.

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I like the sin bin idea. Three yellows I don't like.

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I just spoke to Seppuku and he does indeed follow your posts. Thankfully he says your ideas are crap - I happen to agree with him. He says the sin bin is a lousy American idea, and the idea of three yellows equalling a sending off is farcical. Yep you get the odd ridiculous sending off but 90% are right - so don't change a good rule for the exception.

It's just Sepp's thoughts but like I said for once I agree with him.

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No need to change rules fro 3 yllow cards but referees do need to be less harsh in certain situations and take into account the conditions more and current context within the game. To me a slightly timed tackle Is just a foul not yellow card I why can't players not tackle from behind which is no more dangerous from tackling from the side or front, if is it not reckless it can still be a genuine attempt to get the ball.

One idea I think just for the silly petulant things like kicking the ball away arguing too much with ref etc. is rather than a yellow card have a 5 Minute sin Bin for such situations and basically keep yellow cards for the bad fouls. You could even use the sin bin for con-acting and diving So sill punishment for the offender and his team mates and will make them thing twice before doing it again, but will take away the chance of someone being shown red for such a silly thing if they already have a yellow.

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17 Jun 2014 21:58:16
How about 5 minutes of playing with your shorts around your ankles? ;-)

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{Ed025's Note - sounds like my sex life jen.. :)

17 Jun 2014 22:08:47
Good post Ryan.

Good idea Jen,lol

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17 Jun 2014 22:24:20
I can see you now ed. Lol. :-)

Ps, am I allowed to use lol or have you patented it Dags?

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{Ed025's Note - its his only jen..it stands for....loic only loic

Does that include the fags and the kebab Ed

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{Ed025's Note - of course mate.. :)

17 Jun 2014 22:37:24
Jen silly ideas like that are exactly what I got arrested for last weekend

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{Ed025's Note - i thought that was for chicken molesting D16,, :)

17 Jun 2014 22:52:49
Ed you are in fine form tonight mate.

Love that reply to Jen.

L O L

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17 Jun 2014 23:11:37
Great replies ed, love the loic only loic. I'm not sure where you plucked chicken molesting from though, not eggsactly the most henious offence. I'll get my goat :-)

D16 were you on public transport at the time, probably your school boy error :-)

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17 Jun 2014 23:25:09
Nice one Henny, err I mean Jenny.

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Did someone say they have a goat? Xxx

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18 Jun 2014 07:34:54
BDG,

I'm pretty sure I typed coat but think it may have been altered slightly. Ha ha.

Like D16 do you have some kind of dodgy arrest record?

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17 Jun 2014 20:39:54
Tthat is why I think we should try and get loui
s gustavo

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Wish I was watching the game to have a clue what you were talking about.

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I watched it, still no clue

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I read he was rubbish in the match report, so I must be missing someting

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17 Jun 2014 20:37:36
Sign Higuain

Don't mess this up again

Last year the only question was, "can he duplicate it outside of Madrid?"

Answer is yes. He absolutely can

World class forward, a rich man's Giroud. Works as hard, wants it as bad, but world class technical level w pace to match

Napoli wanted TV. Someone on our team has got to be available to get the price down.

Pay it and move forward.

I love Balotelli. I do not see him working as hard as Higuain, ever

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{Ed025's Note - higuain and balotelli are 2 different animals USG, both very effective at what they do but can never be compared mate..

17 Jun 2014 23:18:25
Exactly

Both talented strikers

One works his ass off

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{Ed025's Note - there is more than one way to skin a cat USG, mario for me is the most gifted of the 2..

18 Jun 2014 00:53:15
No argument there ed, although Higuain has got loads if skill and has provided countless assists from the flanks too

I'd be through the roof if we got Mario, but I pray to god it works

Higuain is more of a sure thing.

That being said sounds like the new Balotelli has matured and gets it

So let's see

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Balotelli has matured? I don't think that will ever happen, but in the England game, he kept his cool, made his runs, and just absolutely man handled the english defense which consists of Jagielka and Cahill.

if he really does buckle down, work on his talent, there is no doubt that he can be the best no 9 of this generation.

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17 Jun 2014 20:37:02
I think all you lot are getting carried away with Remy. He's not top quality, he's unlikely to ever become top quality, and he's never going to become half of what Thierry Henry was in spite of your hopes. If we do sign Remy, I can only hope it's as an absolute last resort, and even then I won't be happy. If we wanted to sign a striker of that quality, we might as well have signed odemwingie a couple of years ago, or Kevin Doyle. Shane Long. He's hardly better if better at all. I remember when we all of a sudden got linked with park chu-young a couple of years ago. A lot of the same faces that are here now commented that it was a good signing that would bring us some goals as he would be a good rotational option up front. I'm not saying Remy is as bad as that, but I think some of you are wearing similar goggles to back then.

I rate Joel Campbell higher than Remy. Not worth it.

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{Ed025's Note - cue dags crying his heart out..

17 Jun 2014 22:55:17
Think you are underplaying him slightly but agree he should be back up option at best

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17 Jun 2014 20:27:27
People forget Vieira always had a Petit, Edu or Gilberto

He was not a DM or a pivot player, ever

So when people say we need a Vieira, they're wrong, he wouldn't fit into this midfield, or else Rambo would have to sit

Rambo does now what Vieira did for us

Hence we don't need Khedira, he's not a Gilberto. That's Xabi Alonso for them

Hence I do not understand players like Bender being looked at, when Rolfes is their DM

Inler, Gonalons and Javi Martinez are more the players that play the position we need

Those are the types we ought to be looking at to replace Arteta. Hence my disappointment in not getting Cesc, who was born to play that role like a Pirlo.

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Put simply - yes - yes - and yes again. You are totally right.

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17 Jun 2014 22:38:33
So, you're saying that there's no way Khedira or Bender could play the holding role, because they don't necessarily play it at their current club? I'm pretty sure, if asked , either could handle the concept. Not so sure Cesc could, to an acceptable standard. You think about his passing game, sure, but, he's laying the hard tackles, breaking up play and dropping back to cover full backs? That doesn't fill me with confidence. As for the Pirlo comparison, doesn't he play alongside Vidal, Pogba and Marchisio? Seems similar to the point you make about Bender and Khedira, just saying.

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Do you remember Cescs back heel against Barca in the champs league cost us a goal and arguably the match he is not that player mate too creative to be playing DM

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17 Jun 2014 23:22:05
Outback, yes, I do not believe Khedira is at the technical level to play the pivot, I watch him a lot

He's energy and industry

Hence he has Schweini or even Lahm help on Germany and either Xabi or Llarra at Madrid

Baz, yes I remember that one bad back heel. Name me another bad back heel? Why do our fans remember the one bad play?

How about the other matches over 7 years he was outstanding at it?

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18 Jun 2014 03:36:01
Ok USG,
I hear your point on Khedira, but, surely, you could say the same for Cesc, except, he's all technicality and not enough energy and industry. If you're saying Khedira is not good enough to play DM, then Cesc DEFINITELY isn't.

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18 Jun 2014 04:11:27
The point I'm trying to make is, you're saying Khedira shouldn't be signed as he's not a true DM, then you say we should get Cesc. He's definitely not a true DM.

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18 Jun 2014 12:24:46
Yes I remember lots and lots of amazing matches from Cesc none of them involve Cesc defending unfortunately ;)

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18 Jun 2014 16:34:18
Bad, check out Cesc's very first highlight,

The strip of Vieira leading to an Henry goal vs Juve

I'd say ball winning and defending were never a problem

You guys do realize Cesc played the pivot for us for quite a few years right?

Outback, Cesc doesn't need that speed. He's our Pirlo. Jack and Rambo are the ones that need to be running endlessly, which they can and have done

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17 Jun 2014 20:24:45
Alright you bunch of High-School drop out's and society misfits.

A little question for you.

RE Germany VS Portugal (last night).

Now, I'm not a fan of Pepe, far from it. I think he's a horrible little dirty devious weasel of a player, who is just a spoiler.

But, I don't think he deserved a red card, which basically, although 2-0 down, spoiled the game as a contest.

Now, I know he put out an outstretched arm and ever so slightly caught Thomas Mueller and touched head's with him afterward's, but Mueller didn't just make a meal of it, it was a wedding banquet that could have fed 500 guest's.

We generally have a two-tier on-field discipline system
A) Yellow Card

B) Red Card.

The referee see's it for a split second and call's it, in my opinion it was a yellow at most.

But referee's have a very difficult job.
Yellow= not sufficient punishment for some fouls/misdemeanours.

Red= Too harsh for the relevant foul/misdemeanour.

My question is

Do you think we should introduce a third form of punishment that is in between a yellow and red card card?

EG, have a 10 minute sin-bin like they do in Rugby and Ice Hockey?
Therefore, you are punishing the player/team involved, but not to the extent where the game is ruined as a spectacle?

Let me know what you think as well Ed, if you can drag yourself away from Corrie, lol.

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{Ed025's Note - good thinking dags (never thought i would ever sat that!)..

17 Jun 2014 21:12:29
Mate, I am Ed material lol.

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{Ed025's Note - i hope you mean the part about you brains being taken out dags.. :)

Had a sin bin system in 7 a side league I used to play in Trouble with it ended up being the same as red/ yellow cards Refs not applying the same standards You could get yellow binned or red for the same offence depending on the ref! Ended up dropping sin bin after 1 season as it just causes even more disagreement over what punishment you should get made even more arguments rather than less

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17 Jun 2014 21:42:01
What brains Ed? Lol.

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I think a sin bin would be good for the silly/petulant things like kicking the ball away arguing too much the ref, time wasting, and even for the con-acting and blatant diving. That way a player and his team get a punishment and hence a deterrent without the potential to ruin the game with something silly like a player getting a 2nd yellow for say kicking the ball away.

Yellow cards just for the actual bad fouls and reds for the reckless or dangerous.

To me Pepe and Mulleur both should have been giving a 5/10 Minute sin bin just for being silly boys really, it was not really a head butt now was it. A sin bin would have allowed them both to calm down before one of them did do something reckless which did warrant a red.

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{Ed025's Note - fair point ryan..

17 Jun 2014 19:52:27
Hi ed,
Just want to pick up on something you said earlier about 'things changing' regarding transfers.

I have to say, when I looked at your list of players we are interested in, I was slightly underwhelmed.

Don't get me wrong, there are some world class players in there, but too many of them were on the 'interest but won't happen' list. There were also some fairly average ones who I really hope we don't get.

For every position there seemed to be only two players who would really merit a starting place in our first XI, and we know how hard it is to actually secure that sort of top player anyway.

So, Ed, I basically am just asking, is there a chance that our targets will change after the World Cup? Or has Wenger set his targets early and won't shift from them?

Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - It is what I said it is. I can't be clearer.}

17 Jun 2014 19:51:23
Sagna to City, TV5 to United, Santi to Athletico, Cesc to Chelski, let's just offer Bendtner a new contract and sign Tom Cleverley to complete our misery! GOD got to love being an Arsenal fan during the transfer market.

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{Ed025's Note - take it from me peanut...this will be a good window for the arsenal mate..

17 Jun 2014 20:02:10
Now then ed025 on that I will be happy you being right. are we signing Rooney?

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{Ed025's Note - no mate, they will be players who are not over-hyped and overpaid, and who,s women do not smell of stale urine and digestive biscuits.

17 Jun 2014 20:07:10
Ed,
Do you know something we don't.

Are we going to sign Coleman, Baines and Barklay?

Come on mate, share the good new's Ed.

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{Ed025's Note - no dags...they will be great players...but not ultra talented world stars like them 3 mate.. :)

Some of you lot are pansies, honestly.

And ed, last year ed027 among others consistently said the window would be great and we'd sign several top quality players. I guess it's always a possibility that plans, however well laid, go awry.

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{Ed025's Note - any more of that talk CS...and i will whack you with my handbag!..

17 Jun 2014 20:53:32
Damn,

Ed, you just did a wee-wee on my bonfire mate.

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{Ed025's Note - sorry dags..

If we signed Rooney I would be flocking furious rather sign Dags love child to play up front and Dags for DM than sign Rooney

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{Ed025's Note - sounds like you rate rooney as highly as me mate..

17 Jun 2014 21:49:31
BDG

Mate I'm quality.

When I play football people normally shout out " Dag's you are Messi".

Unfortunately, the whole sentence is "Dags you are very messy".

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Rooney or syphilis not sure I would want least!

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{Ed025's Note - rooney for me mate..

17 Jun 2014 18:27:57
Hello every body,
Ed 002. Please could you give any updates as to the current state of affairs regarding our club being bought by mr Usmanov or red and white holdings plc. I haven't heard anything since the end of season and I was expecting some news by now.
Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - There is nothing at this time.}

I think there's a good chance you'll hear something if something actually happens.

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{Ed025's Note - and i thought sherlock holmes was fictional.. :)

17 Jun 2014 21:16:25
Chimney sweep,

Have you got a brother called Sooty?

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{Ed025's Note - you cant ask that dags..he might sue you.. :)

No brother, Redbridge. Though Sooty is was my ex used to callme (for obvious reasons)

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17 Jun 2014 21:51:46
Hehe true Ed.

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17 Jun 2014 18:27:24
Robbie

I really don't know who we will sign. We have been linked with many, a fair few who I really hope never to turn up at the emirates unless their part of the Away team.

I hope Mario Balotelli is high up the wanted list. Considering his ability I think he will be more than affordable. Some on here say his price will go up with a good World Cup. I believe Milan simply want rid of him and 25mill would probably do. At 23 he has years ahead and he could be a bargain.

Personally I'd like Micah Richards as Sagnas replacement. Physical and quick and can also play CB as cover. 2 good English right backs would be great competition at the club and would make Jenkinson a much better player.

The German lad Ginter as he again can play CB and in midfield so more squad cover.

Another defender if Vermaelen goes Howedes of schalke. Quality competition for mertesacker and koscielny and again he can play full back. Cover for Gibbs means we could happily lose Monreal.

Another youngster especially if Cazorla goes would be Max Meyer. Classy player for his age and another reason why Cesc wasn't bought back.

The big one for me and I think it will go to the wire like Ozil as again it will be dependant on several other clubs and their dealings, is Angel Di Maria. We have a good relationship with Madrid and if they will be looking for a Saurez type signing they will need cash from outgoing players. Cash is something we can offer as apposed to a payment plan over several years.

That's 6 players. Doesn't include a real holding midfielder. If it was me I'd go for Kondogbia of Monaco as hasn't settled and is a real physical powerhouse.

I think it will be a 1 off transfer window to set the squad for the next 5 years as the money influx this summer is at its peak.

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17 Jun 2014 19:11:15
Rocky,

Fantastic last sentence, I totally agree.

lets hope Lord Wenger see's it that way.

Great post mate.

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I don't think the last sentence was fantastic . Making a team doesn't work like that. You add too many players it'll have a negative affect. There will be a few signings, but not as many of you probably want. But that's why we're not in charge.

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Chimney

In the summer of 1997 Wenger signed 8 players. 5 of which were frequent 1st teamers in a season we won the Double.

If the mix is right especially with the players we have lost and possibly losing then a bigger number of signings will be needed. Not all will be first teamers immediately

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I'd love to know who you mean, because as far as I can remember, the only regular first team starters who came in the summer of 97 were overmars and petit. Anelka signed at the start of 97. Signed Grimandi who was only backup, boa morte but he was young and not regular, Glenn helper but not exactly a prolific starter. So struggling with what you're getting at to be honest.

As far as I'm concerned, you can't add too many players to a team at once, you need continuity.

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17 Jun 2014 22:23:48
Chimney,
We are not talking about signing 6 or 7 players, just 4 very good players.

Remember, we have already lost Fabianski, Sagna, Bendtner and probably Vermaelen.

It's no good selling 4 and replacing 4, unless they are exceptionally good players.

For me, we need 5
GK, RB, centre half, defensive Mid and a striker.

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Grimandi the "backup" started 16 league games

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Grimaldi, Overmars, petit, Alex maninger, and Christopher wren. All played vital parts through the season.

Matthew upson Alberto mendez and Luis boa morte were the younger additions.

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18 Jun 2014 01:27:07
Wreh was a fourth choice striker, manninger was one of two back up keepers, and Grimandi was fourth choice centre back. And played some games as back up dm. So as I said, only two were regulars.

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17 Jun 2014 17:13:01
can anyone tell me what is happening with Kim Kallstrom I thought he looked a decent player not afraid to have a shot either, maybe in the model of petit

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17 Jun 2014 19:28:41
He's a very decent squad player.

Bags of experience, good little passer and a very good shot, as well as a decent free kick taker.

As long as he's over his back injury he will be a big plus.

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17 Jun 2014 19:42:14
Kallstroms time at Arsenal has ended.

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Surely if things go plan we will have plenty of squad players fighting for a place come August and kallstrom would be so far down the pecking order it would be unrealistic to keep him.
The fact Arsene has said thanks and goodbye to him is a real positive sign imo

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{Ed025's Note - i agree G62..

He barely played. Thing he was brought in because of injuries more than anything else. I hope we won't need him.

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{Ed025's Note - your right CS...look at QPR and sunderland in recent history, too many in,s ruins the continuity of a side..

Was that meant for another of my posts eddy my old chum, rather than this?

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{Ed025's Note - yes mate...a glitch there i think mate..

17 Jun 2014 16:05:49
People say Santi is leaving because Wenger did not chase fab. Well if had fab now they would have said Santi is leaving because we got Fabregas. This is just plain dumb. Anyway I don't how serious is atletico's approach to Santi but I hope he stays. I can't handle another star leaving right now.

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He threatened to leave if we didn't win anything too, let him go he's no rambo :)

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17 Jun 2014 15:40:17
The transfer window is a cruel thing for us Arsenal fans, each year we fool ourselves into believing.

Not going ot lie. I WOULD LOOOOOVEEEE Balotelli, I don't what anyone tells me about temprament, and how this might affect the harmony in the squad.

BUT. trying to keep calm. His agent is a sly one, and in no way does it mean we are anywhere near signing the player.

If he has a great world cup, which he may - don't for a second this Silvio will sell him.

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17 Jun 2014 17:47:16
Only one person madder then baloteli,the person that signs him.give me remy anyday

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17 Jun 2014 20:41:48
Totally agree Welsh.

let the Remy bandwagon keep rolling.

choo-choo, choo-choo, choo-choo.

Oh hold on, that's a steam train.
How does a bandwagon go?

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17 Jun 2014 14:57:12
So we turn down cesc as we have too many in that position and we are now looking at cleverly? As usual great transfer buiesness by wenger! This better be nonsense!

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17 Jun 2014 14:34:56
With today's rumours of Cleverly rattling everyone's cage I have no choice but to send out an S.O.S to Malaga . Please give us something to wish upon Malaga as hope is fading fast on this page the longer the this transfer window goes on . Where for art thou Malaga?Your Arsenal Banter page NEEDS YOU! Anyone who can shed light on his whereabouts please contact one of the eds'!

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17 Jun 2014 14:52:28
Fear not, Malaga will return like the caped crusader when Gotham City is in trouble.

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Come on Dags bring out your dark side unleash the Malga

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{Ed025's Note - that only happens at night BDG, its a Dr jeckyll and Mr hyde scenario mate.. :)

17 Jun 2014 20:44:25
You have reached the residence of Malaga, please leave a message after the tone.

Beep, beep.

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Are we sure it's not Dr Jeekyl and Mrs Hyde? We know Dags has a love child he's trying to force on us :)

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{Ed025's Note - very possibly BDG..

17 Jun 2014 14:18:09
Balotelli's agent speaking today about coming to Arsenal being a possibility.

I'd honestly never thought it were possible, have Arsenal bid or is there nothing but interest atm?

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Ed has said we have some interest in balotelli, but he cannot confirm anything about timing.

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17 Jun 2014 14:07:18
We get does not sign fab exited me as I beleive he has a major singling or two up his sleeve as fab can fit into any team.
I am not disappointed with fad as others are as he has even come out on ssn saying wenger did not want him I'd almost wish him good luck but no lol

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I bet somewhere in there is a decent point, but for the life of me I can't find it.

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17 Jun 2014 23:31:42
I'm lost.

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17 Jun 2014 13:45:46
Hallo Ed's
Do you have some statistics for what is being written on this page? I would very much like to know what is most frequent of the following:

Ed002 saying 'No'
Ed025 saying 'mate' or
Dags saying 'Lol'

It is for scientific research

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{Ed001's Note - I can suggest a way to find out. Ctrl + f will open a search box, or at least it does on Chrome, I can't remember if it does on other browsers off the top of my head, then just enter the terms in and count them.}

17 Jun 2014 15:04:02
Do I say lol a lot?

Sorry, lol.

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17 Jun 2014 12:47:13
Ed,

I was about to post about us being linked with Cleverly and Nani, but I think your swear filter will delete it so I won't bother, lol.

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Wise dags, wise. there are some subjects that seem to evoke a specific type of eloquence, those are that centre back at chelsea, you know, the old one, also Robin von child eater at utd and his good friend 'Wayne'

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17 Jun 2014 11:47:44
Please please tell me that this interest in tom cleverly is a joke and just rubbish to fill the papers? I thought taking nani was a bad idea, but this?!
Wenger turned down fabregas as we are supposedly well stocked in that area!
Tom cleverly is not 'exceptional quality' that wenger harps on about. Also I'm sure there's teams who are not our direct rivals we could ship vermaelen off to!
All the feel good factor of the fa cup victory and the endless what if feeling and feeling we could really push on has diminished now. Such a shame, thought we missed a massive chance last year adding strength, seeing as teams around us had new management etc and it was a good chance for us to claim a league title! But this season, with chavs getting fab, costa etc, city adding, united reportedly with 200m and Liverpool adding, we could miss a trick again! Seriously can't see us spending much at all, penny pinching procedures as per usual!

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This interest; like everything about cleverly, is a joke. You asked me to tell you, so I told you

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17 Jun 2014 11:40:34
I can 100% guarantee that once vermaelen is sold, Kos will have a training ground injury and will be out for a "few weeks", only to return in march 2015.

Don't sell the player without buying a replacement first!

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17 Jun 2014 10:02:09
Watching Khedira yesterday raised a few concerns for me about him being a potential holding mid for us. Ok he had lahm behind him but he still ploughed forward often. A lot of Spanish informed journalists (I know) comment on how he is at his best with a midfielder behind him to.

I think he'd be a great team asset, but potentially not what we need still. A truly disciplined Cdm to read the game, mop up, and drop in to cover forward pushing full backs has surely got to be a better set up? Quite literally a makalele. Lahm played this role brilliantly yesterday I might add.

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I can almost guarentee kehdria is the sort of player we will sign, wenger has not been keen on signing a true holding mid in recent years. Song is probably the closest but he was by no means a out and out holding midfielder. Wenger prefers box to box players like viera and song, look at the players we are linked to most, players like bender, kehdria capoue last year, none are anchor style players

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17 Jun 2014 13:57:00
When were we best? When we had Gilberto in our side. When he got injured (small fracture in his back if I remember) was when we started to go down hill. Not coincidence in my opinion.

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17 Jun 2014 15:36:19
Totally agree Sloth.

Gilberto was (arguably) the most disciplined DM we have ever had.

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17 Jun 2014 09:08:25
A dream summer for myself would be the following, a mixture of experience pace and power.

GK - Pepe Reina - 31 - £4m
RB - Serge Aurier - 21 - £7m
CDM - Sami Khedira - 27 - £16m
LW - Antoinne Griezmann - £18m
ST - Mario Balotelli - 23 - £25m

Total = £70m

Plus a CB if TV decides to jump ship!

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Decent

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17 Jun 2014 12:30:34
Stick Remy in there for £10m and Fonzie's ya uncle.

Happy Day's.

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Actually possible as well

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Swop khedira for pogba and I'd be over the moon

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17 Jun 2014 07:56:10
Good morning all.

I have been watching what is said on here, as I always do, and today I have an opportunity to write, so a few thoughts for the day.

Firstly, the Transfer Window isn't even open and yet there are people on here berating Arsene Wenger for not getting this player and that, and so on and so on.

Firstly, do people really believe that he signed on for another 3 years to ensure we are also-rans? Personally I don't.

I know we all sit here, seeing Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City and Man United going for this player and that, but let's take a second here.

Liverpool have bought players, but are they really that impressive? Not in my eyes.

Chelsea and Man City are always going to spend money, they have a lot of it, and a lot more than us.

Manchester United need to rebuild, so of course they are going to be going after a lot of players.

Now let's talk about Arsenal, our beloved Arsenal.

We need to stop complaining. We have for the first time in a long time got money to spend. The players the club are being mentioned with are not exactly poor players so far, but because we have money the press is going to put our name to anyone of any ability.

Arsenal do there business, as best can be achieved in the modern world, behind closed doors.

Modern press and social media make this very difficult.

I for one believe that we will be stronger going into next season, and by some margin.

Joel Campbell will be a very good addition to the club, with Arsene stating he will be back for pre season. He has great attributes, speed, strength, good feet, a great shot but more importantly confidence in his own ability.

If we can add another forward, in fact anyone of any ability then we are instantly better of than we were. Add Mario Batty Trolley and we would have a fearsome attack. Remember Giroud is already at the club and Walcott can also play up front if need be, and although everyone slags off Sanogo, if it wasn't for him coming on in the FA Cup I don't believe we would have won it. He made the difference. Thierry Henry couldn't hit a barn door when he arrived for 9 weeks, then look what happened after the first goal.

I am not saying the same is true of Sanogo, but we don't know what will happen after he does score his first. He is direct, pacey and strong.

So forward options of Sanogo, J Campbell, Giroud and possibly Batty Trolley with Walcott and possibly Podolski. Why are people so upset? Who would have better forward options?

Secondly, Cesc. I loved him, but he created his path out, he paid £4m of his own money to be able to leave. He is now the past. Yes he makes Chelsea stronger, but not defensively, he likes to float.

In midfield we have, Ramsey, Ox (who I think Arsene sees as a box to box midfielder), Ozil, Wiltshire (I personally think this is a make or break season for him with us), Podolski, Gnabry, Walcott, Rosicky (such a class player), Flamini, Arteta then coming through we have Eisfeld, Crowley, Zelalem. Where do people think £26m spent on Cesc would be of benefit to us?

Arteta might be sold, who knows, but we do need a midfielder, a combative one. Again there are a lot of options available. My pick would be Lars Bender or Khedira. Time will tell. Maybe Diaby might get a full season. I hope he does. He is a very good footballer when fit, shame his body hasn't wanted to support his talent thus far.

A centre back is definitely required. I like the idea of Ginter or Hinteregger, and Bressan looks good, but we won't choose, Arsene will.

If we get Aurier then I will be over the moon. The kid looks great going forward and can defend. But again, there are a lot of options on the market.

The one piece for me that is needed is a left winger, one who gets chalk on his boots. A cheeky bid for Bernard I think would be a good idea as I think Griezmann might go to Real, although I would say it is too early in his career, so he should come to us.

If we get any of the players mentioned above I think we are in good shape for the season ahead on all fronts. There wouldn't be many other teams in the PL or Europe that would be light years ahead of us.

Lastly. Arsenal are our team. We should support them to the hilt. People slagged them off last year before the start of the season and we finished fourth, 7 points adrift from the winners and won the FA Cup. Ramsey got battered the season before and yet was player of the season last year, as voted by US.

Let us calm down, have faith, look forward to actually being able to buy players and the season ahead.

I for one am excited. I like how our team is shaping up, a few additions and things are really looking interesting.

Who knows who is going to win what in the season ahead, but I for one believe.

Oh, and on a final thought, I love the way our club is run. I love the class we have, that others with money don't. No player is bigger than the club (which definitely isn't true of other European power houses).

Have faith, be positive and love our club. Passion can be delivered as positive or negative. It is up to us to choose which way we deliver our passion inwardly to our club.

Have a good day and apologies for the long post.

J

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No need to apologize for such a wonderful post mate

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Great post J. Well worth the read

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^^ what he said.

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17 Jun 2014 12:35:09
Top post as usual Jin.

Breath of fresh air.

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Ditto

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This should pop up before you enter the site, to remind everyone what a true fan is. I take my hat off to you good sir

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17 Jun 2014 13:38:44
Good post mate. Sensible and realistic.

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17 Jun 2014 14:18:12
You are my hero. X (not forgetting ed025 of course)

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Best post I have read in a long time great job thanks for the passion

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{Ed025's Note - it was a cracking post russ, your right mate..

17 Jun 2014 05:56:06
Hi eds,

Do you know if AW ever considered making Vermaelen a defensive midfielder for us? Don't see why he wouldn't fit in there--as a hyper aggressive CB he's always read the game as a CDM, good in the air, strong shot, good passer, and knows our system. Always felt as if it was a natural progression when we were lacking in that area and Mertielny was so strong

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea.}

17 Jun 2014 07:21:05
Eds. let's have a new poll.
1. Best Ed
2. Worst Ed
3. Most info from an Ed
4. Worst info from an Ed
5. Happiest Ed
6. Most Miserable Ed

Dags suggested this but up to now he hasn't posted it so I thought I do it for him. :)

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{Ed025's Note - i dont think the powers that be would sanction that golds. worst ed?...worst info from an ed?..most miserable ed?..we do have feelings you know mate.. :)

17 Jun 2014 10:46:02
Yeah well I did say that to Dags mate. But he is very persuading :)

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Fealings? No you don't you're all either the stigg or Siri

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17 Jun 2014 12:36:53
Golds,

I'm a charmer mate, lol.

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17 Jun 2014 03:33:32
Noticed that there are a lot of Sheep following the pack. People slating Podolski, People living Cesc Fabregas fantasies like he is the best player to wear the shirt, for me he scrapes it as the best player in our squad for a season.
The best one is Higuain I think, I wouldn't believe he was coming if the great Malaga said he was signing for every team in the premiership EXCEPT Arsenal.

I say Nani needs a fresh club and is a good punt.
Also Balotelli should be TOP of the list he is complete in ability just not in the mind and AW is an ideal man to unlock him. His ability is undoubtable so if anyone disagrees with us buying him, its because you don't like him and if that the case, spend 3-5mins researching the guy and the stuff he does for people and his childhood, you will change your opinion for sure. He just wants to be loved & will be forever loyal to a group of fans that give him that.
Get that england 3rd choice keeper to come up to the premier, itll help our english quota.
Get Aurier who is costing 50% more after his last performance and will continue to.
Now you got plenty left for a holding midfielder and a centre back if you let TV go! Its not a guaranteed league winner but its certainly better equipped to go all the way

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F-gooner, mate everyone here comments on rumours from various LIMITED sources. hence we all read the same stuff and come here to discuss.

people will tend choose a side and its the same as u have done with nani and balotelli comments.

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Nani is rubbish, podolski is decent and fabregas is the kind of 'exceptional quality' we needed to push forward and claim league titles! Suppose you fancy the idea of tom cleverly playing for us next year to f-gooner?!
Am I on the bandwagon?

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17 Jun 2014 01:24:38
What striker so we hold the most interest in at the moment.
I don't think we will sign benzema, Martinez, griezman, ballotelli,
Cavani or any other hot shot that media is saying we will get a relatively unknown

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Totally agree:
Last 5 signings:
Kalstrom
Flamini
Ozil
Sanogo
Viviano

Apart from Ozil, it says it all.

Without Sagna, Fabianski & probably Vermaelen, I have concerns that we won't press on from last season.

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We will re sign Carlos vela

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17 Jun 2014 00:21:08
So cleverly may be part of the vermaelen deal I can see why we passed on cesc now

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Shocking!

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The journalist who made this up is obviously a spurs fan looking for a cheap laugh, as if!

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Why not go the whole hog and add in the great Ashley Young!! Come on Wenger & board if they are surplus at Utd then why do we need them? Bonkers!

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{Ed025's Note - exactly PL2..

If we signed tom cleverly and had the chance to re sign fabregas I will not be attending any arsenal games next season. If Wengers not willing to spend our invested money then i'm not spending my hard earned money on that

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16 Jun 2014 23:45:21
Pogba. Done.

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I wish! Awesome young player, for whom we should break the bank.

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