Arsenal Banter Archive September 17 2015

17 Sep 2015 22:11:25
Not going to post anything tonight.

I need a rest for Saturdays postings lol.

17 Sep 2015 20:25:36
Arsene deffinately Gambled last night but he hasn't lost yet! If he'd played our strongest team against Dynamo and we'd won 5 0 and then lost to Chelsea Saturday he'd have been slaughtered for not resting players against a weaker team.
Arsene's bet is a two fold one let's see how it pans out before we make a decision on whether he got it right or totally and utterly wrong, we are not going to be in the champions league final in May but we might be in the title race still especially with 3pts in the bag from Chelsea at Stamford bridge.
Saturday day at 2pm is the time for us to make a proper judgement on wether he was right or got it disparately wrong once again, let's be fair and let the wheel stop spinning first before we judge this week.

17 Sep 2015 20:37:02
shouldnt have to rest players at this point of the season, mementum is key to a good season and he disrupted that last night with so many changes, it pretty much said to those players coming in they'd not be starting against Chelsea, great motivation that Arsene

17 Sep 2015 21:20:13
Fair comment 1404 , resting players just a few games in....come off it

17 Sep 2015 21:32:47
I still think he should have deffinately gone in 2014 with FA cup in hand but he didn't, I don't think he will ever deliver a title again because he's lost what it takes but while he remains in charge we can only judge each season as it happens.
For me if he wins a Chelsea he will raise my hopes of being wrong about him and if we loose it will once again under line what I already think and have thought for a time that he's of the past, but let's just wait a couple of days.
Do I think we'll beat Chelsea not really but let's let the wheel stop turing atleast

17 Sep 2015 21:57:19
Resting top Athletes a few games in to the season?
No it was a mistake pure and simple, and to be honest if we really do need to rest players already that opens up a completely different avenue of questions as to the training and fitness side of our club.

{Ed025's Note - I agree JPS..

17 Sep 2015 22:28:57
IF we beat Chelsea and all really will be forgotten and then some, the stakes are high Mr Wenger maybe higher than you realise should we get mauled again.

18 Sep 2015 09:04:47
I also think that 3 games in 7 days with the traveling taken in and not wanting to take to many risks with injurys of the 3 games would you have thought we could have rotated?

also out of the first game in champ league
Prem game against chealsea when we are already chasing city
or a knock-out game against our biggest rival?

if he plays our strongest team against the next 2 and we win both then he was right to do what he did and we will be is a good position in all the competitions still.

17 Sep 2015 17:38:48
Would anyone else sell jack in a heart beat

17 Sep 2015 19:52:16
yes in an instant

17 Sep 2015 19:56:45
7 days a week and twice on a Sunday.

Just don't tell Browgun82.

17 Sep 2015 16:05:37
is stoner still watching the bony highlights and a loss verus last years finalists or has he seen the giroud highlights versus zagreb?

love u really mate.

also red dog where is he red dog come back bro

17 Sep 2015 16:50:43
Did you watch Bony mate, he had a shocker but not nearly on the level of shocking that Giroud had and neither were close to the shocker Arteta had who as soon as I saw on the team sheet knew we were in trouble and within 10 minutes both showed how bad they were and that yep we were in trouble.

If we're going to get a quality striker mate, he has to be better than a 2nd string City striker.

I'd like to see Walcott, Sanchez and Chamberlain against Chelski, with Coquelin next to Cazorla where he should have been last night and either Ozil or Ramsey in there with them.

Wenger spoke of 2 changes and made 6. The word tit springs to mind. Well a much stronger one but it won't get passed the censors!!

17 Sep 2015 17:24:01
Bony has been rushed back I think because aguero is injured. Prem he's epic still not done it in champs but that was his first ever game in the company I believe? Ik still back him for now :)

Let's hope we win on sat. Massive game it is. A win and we are off on a run I reckon.

17 Sep 2015 19:27:51
I was wondering the same thing derby, I hope the lads alright.

17 Sep 2015 19:58:18
Chris you pi55 taker :-)

17 Sep 2015 20:25:30
Genuinely I am dags, me and dog had our moments but I like the fella.

This page is not as fun without him.

17 Sep 2015 22:38:07
CTR is right. Dags is the man to get him back.

17 Sep 2015 12:45:53
Afternoon,
Having read through a number of posts regarding last nights game I felt I had to stick my pennies worth in.
A couple of questions to begin with:

Were the selected starting 11 not good enough to beat Zagreb?
Would we have got something from the game had Giroud not been sent off?
Had we not rotated last night and then lost to Chelsea, would you all be blaming Wenger?

This site is often so negative following a defeat. Most of the negativity is aimed at Wenger, who by the way does not even kick a ball during the 90 minutes of the game. I am not here to defend Wenger, but would like to understand how last nights loss falls on his shoulders as some of your posts suggest. The 'Wenger Out' and other comments are not justified following last nights defeat. The 11 selected were good enough to beat Zagreb and probably most teams in the EPL. Giroud is a fool for getting himself sent off, not Wengers fault, The OX is a fool for not tracking his man, not wengers fault and Ozil, Giroud, walcott etc are all fools for not finishing the chances created, again not wengers fault.

Please help me understand? We lost, THE PLAYERS were not up for it and GIROUD got sent off and gave us a mountain to climb. END OF.

Support the club, Support the players, Support the Manager. I honestly cannot get my head round fans who wish us to lose to see a change in management... please

17 Sep 2015 13:56:13
I thought that arsene would want to put out what he believed to be his strongest 11 get the three points and get off to a good start. Steve r yesterday called the team that was named on the sheet because he obviously knows what wengers like.

The team he put out should have been good enough but it wasn't and I levelled criticism at the selection of arteta not arteta himself. With him in the team forced the whole dynamic and shape to change we had cazorla coming deeper than usual and big holes between mid and attack thus getting over run. In addition to this any balls that were then sent up for giroud weren't sticking and that was the start of his problems leading to decent because he was frustrated and the ref was not allowing him to use his physicality (coupled with a poor tech)

People are rightly annoyed if you love a club it stands to reason that you would get more upset than the passive fan.

A lot of people believe that arsenal can't perform under pressure and we have just turned up the heat with results like last night results that shouldn't happen. It wasn't just the defeat we were well beaten and never looked like winning pre giroud red card.

Teams are far to wise to arsenals style and teams with limited resources are now finding an almost bomb proof remedy to our play. We always just pass it around with no penetration. Opposing teams are happy to let us do this as long as they keep their discipline . We need a CF who makes intelligent runs. And ozil will find the ball.

17 Sep 2015 14:43:04
Ultimately, the manger, buys the players, does the training, prepares the team, picks the team, sorts the tactics and when he wins, gets the plaudits. If he doesn't he carries the can for the teams failings.

17 Sep 2015 17:00:55
I'm sorry but how can Wenger not take blame for last night?
He could have bought Schneiderlin but didn't so we play Arteta to give Le Coq a rest, the shape of the team suffered because Arteta hasn't got the legs for it.
Where was Belerin, if not injured then I'm afraid that was another mistake as playing Giroud rather than Wallcott meant we had no frightening pace making us one dimensional, their manager alluded to this afterwards which cuts deep coming from a team we should have rolled over.
Why no Cech?
I like Ospina and I'm not saying the result would have been different I just question why you make 3 changes in defence in your first group game?
It reeks of arrogance and disrespect and we got exactly what that deserved

17 Sep 2015 17:28:46
The team was rotated due to a busy schedule and two derby games approaching. Debuchy is an experienced international, as is Gibbs and Ospina did excellently when he replaced Schenzy last year. Those changes should not have meant a loss and in my opinion did not 'reek of arrogance', the players did not perform.
Should have bought Schneiderlin? how do you know that we didn't try? Perhaps he wanted to go to UTD? forgive me if i am wrong but he is not exactly cementing his sopt in the UTD team.

17 Sep 2015 18:16:37
As i said, I'm not saying it would have changed the result having Cech played but, to make 3 unforced changes in defence then play an inferior cdm with no legs due to age and no game time is crazy.
As for if we went for Spyder or not, I'd lay a fair amount of money on the fact we didn't and more on him choosing to play for us over United, but that's just my opinion

17 Sep 2015 20:05:51
You win the game first THEN rest who u want. I agree with a lot of the points that the players are to blame, but so is Wenger. Wenger/Arsenal embarrassed ourselves in the transfer market. Arteta should have never been given a new contract. A CF and.DM (that same broken record) were a must. Yesterday selection was wrong for me. Theo should be starting. He's scoring, we should be building his confidence. Giroud seems to be on a confidence suicide mission after those 2 bookings yesterday. Did we really need to "rest" Cech? he's not exactly up and down the flank. Coq and Monreal, atleast win the game and then withdraw players. Instead we finish with 10 exhausted players. Wenger definitely got some decisions wrong but no way was yesterday all his fault.

17 Sep 2015 08:57:28
Last night will soon be forgotten if we win Saturday and as much as we may now critise Arsene for not playing our best side Dynamo hardly have hardly rated a, mention by anyone on here since the Stoke game because we've all had our minds on Saturdays game, you me Arsene the players, because deep down we all expect to make the last 16 in second place to Bayern its par for the course for us.
Saturday is massive for both sides the loser will get absolutely ripped to bits by the pundits media and fans alike and only those who want to be fooled will accept the long flight and early kick off as yet another straw to cling to.
Chelsea have been far from convincing and desperately need to get their season going and we need to prove ourselves to be serious contenders in the toughest places or accept we're still all talk and when it comes to the crunch still miles from serious title contenders.
We can talk all we want but sooner or later youve got to accaully come up with the goods and by a country mile Saturday is that time, kick on or kick back and accept a 4th place trophy challenge yet again, the stakes are high and so they should be this Saturday.

17 Sep 2015 10:02:58
"Last night will son be forgotten....etc, etc"?
What earthly idea did Wenger have?
"I know, I shall pretend I am Leicester Manager and change three out of the back five, undermine and potential understanding the forward line have started to develop, undermine any possible smidgeon of confidence Theo has got as being a striker ("I scored, Boss, then you dropped me"), rest half a team to save on "tiredness" (awww! you poor lads having to play football every three or four days), rest any advantage we had against Moron-io and Cheslki away by losing whilst they get on their boots and then, having seen the whole thing go t*ts-up after the B List striker gets (rightly) sent off, wait too late to make a triple substitution.

WENGER OUT. I'm heartily sick of history repeating itself. My nest mate is a Sunderland supporter and he is too, and he says, "at least you are in the top four and Champions League". He is right of course, but we'll not do anything else.

It's the hope that kills you.


MF

17 Sep 2015 14:03:14
Other managers are now besting wenger on a regular basis.

You can imagine other managers going "stay compact hold your shape because they are going to just play in front of you oh and guys don't worry about giroud because they try and play football so that's giroud out of the game and one more thing lads before you go back out always remember arsenal won't mix it up so don't worry about any shots from afar or a constant bombardment of crosses cause it won't happen "

17 Sep 2015 14:52:16
Last night will be forgotten IF we win on sat, yes, until the next time we cock up again and we won't have to wait long for that. This bunch we have here at the moment, don't have the ability to take us forward mate. Saturday has just got even bigger but so has the next few weeks. i'm not confident about the future, even if they win because, nothing changes. Wash rinse repeat. Wash rinse repeat.

17 Sep 2015 06:48:43
Last night confirmed that we need at least one, if not two additional defensive midfield players, to cover for and play alongside the excellent Coquelin. We should not have extended Arteta's deal. We should have released Flamini, paying up the last year of his deal, if necessary. In addition, I would also have released Rosicky.
Tactically, we have obtained our best recent results when forced to defend deep against Chelsea and Man City, hitting them on the counter-attack. Particularly away from home and at times at home in Europe, we must adapt, sit deep and play on the counter-attack. Last night we were well beaten by a team that played these tactics. In order to play these tactics we need quality defensive midfield players. In the past we had success using Vieira, Peit and Gilberto.
The medical decisions at Arsenal must once again be questioned, with both Welbeck & Wilshere requiring operations after not recovering from injury. Without Welbeck we have no cover for the left-side attacking role and no tall striking alternative to Giroud.
Following Chelsea's morale boosting win last night and our defeat, I cannot see us winning at Chelsea. I cannot understand why Wenger made so many changes. Surely Cech could have played and Coquelin had to start. Particularly as we can use our squad for next week's league cup match against the Toot, meaning we could rest players after the Chelsea match for a week.