Arsenal Banter Archive April 18 2013

18 Apr 2013 23:10:57
I don't think i'm the only one but if you want a world class striker for around 20 million in his young to mid twenties what is your first reaction, Jovetic. Has potential but we could sign Hernandez a proven young striker who with the service Arsenal could provide cold be a 25+ goals a season player. come one leave a comment on who you would rather. Thanks

Bergkamp5353

19 Apr 2013 06:40:44
a lot of names spring to mind before jovetic. Realistically i'd like benteke or aubameyang.

i don't even think we need a world class striker, Wenger has said podolski can lead the line and I think he will do next season, so a winger should come in to replace podolski (who will become a striker) or give the ox some more time as he really needs and deserves it.

Would love Chico (and nani) but don´t think utd will sell to us. Do hope AW signs Guidetti wouldn´t be at the starting line yet but could really contribute as a sub. just saying!

I think either a world class (or near enough) striker or winger (moving Pod to center) needs to come in probably at the expense of Gervinho.

I belive Ox is good but he isn't amazing yet and if we want to challenge next season we need to dip into the market and go big.

Havent seen enough of Jovetic to know whether he is good enough. We missed did miss the boat with Mata and Hazard didn't we as they are what we need.

18 Apr 2013 17:13:53
This is just something I need to say and I would love to see people's comments and reactions

A few years back we would be (like always) hoping for a Premier League title. We would start strongly in the season and would still be in the hunt for it. Now are standards have dropped MASSIVELY, we are worlds away behind Man. United (like last season only it was City) and fans are hoping for a Champions League spot. We should still be in contention but Wenger's selling players and not capable to replace them. I know you might be saying it might take time for them to settle, but quality players can do that. The only good buy in the last few years is Cazorla and maybe Arteta. We need to spend money on better players and players who can get us back the glory days.

Lucas

I think the money in city and the surge of Tottenham has played a part as before it was out of three clubs now there is 5 or 6

18 Apr 2013 17:00:19
Was just woundering what you would think of andy Carroll for a reasonable price

I wouldn't havine him at the club if we were payed to do so. I don't want to end up like Stoke

Would love him, With the right manager he could be a world beater!

But is AW the right manager anymore.

'End up like stoke' get a grip man!

Churchill Gooner

18 Apr 2013 14:29:02
Arsenal have been confirmed as the 4th richest club in the world today after Real, Man U & Barca.

In footballing terms where would you say we are? I'd say we struggle to get in the top 10.

The cheque book needs to be opened, and our archaic wage structure needs to be changed if we are ever going compete at the highest level where we belong.

Herts Gooner {Ed002's Note - Fifth after taking debt in to account, but very well positioned regardless.}

I read an article sometime ago, about how london like new york will become the Hub of advertising and revenue.

Already the second most important city in the world and just ahead of Paris in the rankings, the revenue and marketability of any given organisation just increases with the very name London.

Now Manchester United have been far and away the only clubs to basically sell anything and everything they can see, and try to capture the market. However this is directly linked to their on pitch success.

however clubs in London will gain on what is known as the new york effect. ( it was a term used in economics when describing the NBA franchise the knicks who were irrelevant for well over a decade yet the most expensive franchise the NBA had)

So do not be alarmed down 20 years when clubs like Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, West Ham (given their new stadium) are competing for the best players on the planet.

what it will come down to will be market value

like in the NBA ( Lakers, Miami, New York ) are big markets and players go there because they will be able to earn more money outside of their salaries.

And the salaries of players will also have a ceiling, so that the league does not become unstable.

Im not American but having understood the market and marketability factor, the model the American sports franchises will eventually be voted for.

What it would do.

1) agents will have no interest in selling a player to Manchester United due to his links with Man utd.

2) with the salary being the same, it will enable trades to happen without the cause of large amounts of money to be exchanged.

3) downfall is major market superiority.

who knows. this was a very interesting article. eventually my feeling is things will lean towards a more balanced structure, voted by a majority, who will be fighting for talent.

My argument is that football is a game of 11 v 11 like basketball is a game of 5 v 5. but however just like basketball has its lebron james and Kevin durant and kobe. football has ronaldo, bale and messi.

and it will all come down to that. eventually.


Lakerville

Ed002, Please give us the info regarding possible changes at the club this summer, pretty please with sugar on top :-)

Naz {Ed002's Note - As I explained, I will make sure that posts get put up but I am not answering anything regarding what will be happening over the next 16 months nor transfers.}

Ed would you not just be able to block the abusers and answer the fans who actually respect your opinions? {Ed002's Note - It is not going to happen, sorry.}

Fair enough.

Well done to those who sent in the abuse.

You've managed to lose the best source of Arsenal specific information on the site.

Fair play Ed002. It was worth a try. I suppose 16 months is not that long to wait. :-

Naz

18 Apr 2013 14:02:49
A question to all you Smart people out there. everyone basically.

This summer + last year of FFP monitoring period + those long Articles on FFP from ED002 + the likelyhood of this being a summer of some of the finest poker played this summer.

I just have a feeling that this has to be the make or break season. to splurge if you will, to spoil yourself, to go mental. and to then cover your tracks like the criminal you are. those clubs know who they are.

Does anyone else feel this way or am I thinking that this summer will be one where arsenal get another version of Squillachi, Arshavin and chamakh (or just get him back from loan and TA DAAAA. new signing. )

it looks like all the big names should be moving this summer from my understanding of the FFP as explained by a certain ED and then the EPL FFP and so on and so forth.

Lakerville

FFP is a gamble at the moment if you break the rules, someone said recently we will only see how effective it is if say Chelsea or City get banned from the CL (something I don't see happening) although Malaga are banned from next years believe?
dan

18 Apr 2013 11:30:49
Well, its been a quiet day on the forum, so I am going to stir things up.

Now that the last few games remain, with or without 4th spot. we need to address this team in the off season.

If we buy key players, quality players or players with world class potential, I will be happy with the acquisition and the fact that wenger can now lead the line without excuses.

If we do not buy or address the issues we have had this season, and with them talking about the money from sponsorship deals being available to them, yet they don't get the players we need. Wenger out.

I want us to make a commitment this off season. gather your friends, family, anyone or anything arsenal and let's protest outside the club so the world notices. i'm thinking 70,000 people. so the club notices (how can they not)

No more last chances for wenger. he has gone 17 years at the helm. 8 years with trophies and 8 years without. I think his odds are 50-50 with the fans now.

I'm his most ardent supporter but I also want to win. trophies over loyalty anytime.

So until the season ends, by all means, cheer, support, shout out loud. but when the season ends. I want every Arsenal fan in this country, to not sit down behind a computer and complain but make the effort to show them that you won't be bullied.

Ed's I have seen quite a few posts of mine have not been posted. I have not made any derogatory comments so I am still baffled by why they have not been posted. so I hope this one makes it.

This is not propaganda. I am not influencing peoples attitude towards a cause. this cause already exists I'm merely suggesting we gather together and stand in solidarity against what has become a bank for the rich. Football was invented on the grounds of fair play and winning and we do fair play quite well. its the winning we want.

I think your post is spot on. I also want to see Arsenal address their squad weakness by investing in players at the very beginning of the transfer window, and not on the last day of it. There is no room for bargain hunting when your in the CHAMPIONS league.

You are making the assumption that 70,000 'fans' actually agree with you.
I would think from the point of view of history 8 yrs without a trophy is a mere hiccup and during all that time AFC have been incredibly competitive. During that period also AFC have bought and more or less paid for a superb stadium, they have
laid a foundation for many years to come for success to be possible. We all want success for the club we love but believe me it is all the sweeter for the wait and it stops our fans from being the arrogant patronising bunch of tossers that other teams seem to have fostered by buying success instantly!

exiled clockender

18 Apr 2013 13:32:08
Spot on Daniel

I agree about the squad. Don't think any fan would think otherwise. let's be realistic tho. There can be a wish list of players the club want to bring in but IF we don't make top 4 they will try to attain those players but what do all those players have in common? They will ALL want to play champions league football. This leading to your wish for a protest. IF we don't get top 4 your protest would be like p1551ng into the wind. Look at what happens when clubs protest. 2 examples. Manchester United and there green and yellow scarf brigade. They make a lot of noise but then disappear because the owners dig there heels in. Blackburn. Fans protest, moan, tear up season tickets and what do the owners do. They dig there heels in.
There's a lot of paper talk and rumours about who we will sign. But until our final position is confirmed I wouldn't presume or expect anything.
Some of the sponsorship deals are performance related so again any "warchest" will be dependant on position.
You did in and earlier post. "Through think and thin head above water first"
Wise words but the opposite end of the spectrum to protesting.

Good post tho. Admire your passion

The main focus of all the fans should be does Wenger stay, then you can talk transfers, no player seems in a rush to leave so I think Wenger stays. Red Vic

I think this summer will see some long boring transfers. Suarez to juventus. no wait its to bayern. now he staying at liverpool, madrid want him, no wait inter want him. Anzhi make 2 billion pound deal to sign messi. oh wait what does that have to do with suarez. oh right arsenal don't want him. oh wait which suarez?

Poker in my eyes. poker played by clubs trying to milk the other club for every penny it has or will ever have.

Cavani, Falcao, Lewendowski who in my eyes will certainly move will see 120 mill in value move.

then there are the maybe's like Suarez, Bale, Rooney, Hernandez.

then the can they even be moved like Chamakh, Bendtner, Denilson, and who exactly is Andre santos? ( in cinemas on June 14th)

Obviously other teams have their garbage. i'd rather name ours.

The problem with that is if we finish 4th, no player will want to sign untill we have actually qualified for the champions leuage getting through the play off round! this happened a couple of years ago also were we could not buy players until we knew we had gotten through, so let's hope for 3rd place and an easy summer becuase 4th won't be and 5th well that's just players of slighly lesser quality
RD

Fourth is in the bag but third is gone.

3rd is still on my friend, don't start wobbling yet. Fixtures are catching up with chelski so I think 3rd is still there for the taking

18 Apr 2013 22:04:59
@ Paul - I am aware that Champions league position is something we have to have to attract the best players.

However I only look at tottenham to say that Lloris, Dembele and Vertonghen did not come to Spurs to play in the Champions league.

I'm not asking for protests to take place now. I want the team to have the best support they can. But we need to also show the club we expect success.

we have been valued as the 4th richest club in the world. however that is calculated.

If you look at the top 10 with us in 4th, we are the only club in that lot to not win a single trophy. even Liverpool in 10th have a League 1 cup and even Spurs with a league 1 cup at 11th.

yet we are about 500 million richer in value. to liverpool. how is the brand name soo strong? Is it only about marketing for Arsenal? are we going to be the richest club in the world ( which we will be in 15 years time by this projection) and the only club never to win a trophy too?

We all know it, we all see the potential, we know what could have been if we had the players we sold.

All i'm asking is for everyone to stand up and be counted. the club is not having a hard time spending money. they would rather get it for free.

we have a core. we have some decent players and we will get rid of rubbish. what we need is a few signings to pep up the current players and the crowd. not say that diaby is a signing in january.

Lakerville {Ed002's Note - You have misunderstood "richest".}

Fourth is not in the bag and whoever says that is stupid. I think we will probably get it but I'd say there is only a 75% chance

18 Apr 2013 11:13:48
hi I was just wondering if there would be an outside chance of making a move to bring cesc back all this talk of song wanting to come back might make cesc think plus when he was hauled off against PSG he cut a very furlorne figure he barely got a clap and the reception messi got when he came on for him was immense and starting him as a centre forward what are barca doing cesc is a very fine footballer but he is not a centre forward all the trouble barca fans and especially the players caused to get him and that dick reina putting the shirt on him after spain won the world cup I really hope we don't sign him one other point xavi is 32 or 33 the man cesc was to replace in theory I can see him playing for 3 more years because speed or stamina is not part of his game so where does that leave cesc and there is mooted to be some very fine academy players at barca earmarked as the new xavi will cesc be happy being a bit part player or can we convince him to come home give him a DNA transplant and be the main man again revert back to a 451 with a mid field of Wanyamma Wilshire cazorla Ramsey and cesc further forward behind cavanni in the hole I know i'm dreaming but that's team would have a champions league and a few prem titles in it for sure

leitrimgooner

I'd love Cesc to come back. BUT its not necessarily going to be the same as before? When he was with us before he would have made a lot of peoples world 11 now he wouldn't even make the bench (as he hardly gets played)

there is no guarantee that he will come back and play the same before he left. still never the less for me he will always have a place here and i'd be more than happy if we spend 30 odd mill to bring him back. But if he really is a Barca fan he wouldn't want to leave and two it would question whether he's a Arsenal fan as more teams than us would go in for him and probably offer more so it will show his true loyalty

There is no width or speed in that midfield?

ramsey wilshere behind
Walcott cesc and cazorla

with pod/gir upfront

or even Walcott up top with ox wide and go for speed

but to suggest Cavani and Cesc is dream team material

Periods and paragraphs man. Too hard to read

The thing is Cesc is quality. he has shown that he thrives in different positions. but to be fair to him. he is only suited to the Xavi role, which I am sure he will inherit.

He plays on the left wing, striker, right wing, holding player. but his best performances have come in the place of Xavi.

And Xavi being 33, is due to take a back seat soon.

besides with players like Messi, Iniesta, Xavi. players like Cesc, Alves, Pedro, Villa, Pique don't even get a mention and they are all world class.

The comment about the gamble on bringing back fabregas is why we don't really compete for world class players players we need. If we were to sign him it would make Arsenal slightly more feared as it shows they can take a gamble no matter what the out come or how he would play it would be great for us

Was there not a clause put in where we have first option at £17m. if he became available and it was for that i'd snap barca's hand off. I was genuinely sad to see him go, nearly as much as Henry

18 Apr 2013 10:19:17
Samir Bihmoutine apparently going to leave on a free to Wolves, is he any good?

No idea, but them allowing him to leave for free might tell you something

18 Apr 2013 08:59:38
Ed could you answer this question, why is Gibbs such a tank?