Arsenal Banter Archive February 18 2013

18 Feb 2013 22:56:12
I know the results have been abysmal and I know there needs to be changes for us to compete again and I know Wenger is not perfect - BUT as I have said before, he has been working with a shoe string budget for the past 7 years. With a lot of negativity in the press I just wanted to say the following:

- Arsenal's net spend averages 19 out of the 20 PL teams in the last 5 years and we have been in the top 4 because of Wenger, no other manager has achieved this.
-the new commercial contracts that will be in force for next year should make an extra 40m or so per year, with net debt reducing annually - now that we have money at the least he should be given the chance to spend it - it was not by coincidence that we were skint between 05 to 13/14 - it was all a part of the Emirates plan.
- these years have set up Arsenal for life (not for short term success) without the need to go into debt or to get a sugar daddy - I wonder in 20 years what people will say about these years and Wenger.
- Wenger has spent big in the past, relative to what he has spent in his recent years and so I don't see why he won't do that now that the club has some money again.
- Wenger did not leave us at the top of his game when most of the players at the top of their game did! Only last month there was talk about Madrid coming in for him again.
- He genuinely loves the club as do the fans.

I still back the team and him, if now he has money to spend and things still don't work out, then and only then we should consider to get rid of him.

As for tomorrow - COYG.

Josh, fantastic post!

Gunners4Life, In AW we trust

Shoe-string budget? So obviously you don't believe the yearly hype that he has millions to spend! I do not believe either, he won't spend and IG, SK and H-W want the money for their own bank balances.

18 Feb 2013 22:29:08
For me these last few days have perfectly captured Arsenal on and off the pitch with the game and what has gone on the press. Firstly we lost to Blackburn a game that we should of won and dominated a feature of Arsenal this season. Then after the final whistle the crowd boo, dividing opinions as to whether that is the right or proper thing to do. Then we get the inevitable debate of whether or not Wenger is the right man for Arsenal anymore and people saying Wenger out resign and then others how dare you question Wenger look at what he has done. Then the usual statistics of how many trophies other teams have won and our old players have won since we last won a trophy are shared. Next we get the Van Persie would of scored one of those chances we had, we need to get players of that quality we don't have that anymore, followed by support for our current players. Then the defence is questioned is it good enough etc we need a defensive mid. Why aren't the same old problems being addressed?

Then Sunday rolls around the other premier league teams naturally dispatch of their lesser opponents with ease making or short comings look all the worse. Everyone ever associated in any capacity with Arsenal gives their opinion on what is going on. The squad and what many believe to be its mediocrity are discussed at length whether the right team was put out is x good enough. We don't have players like Henry or Bergkamp and Vieira anymore and we sold players like Fabregas, RVP and Song when perhaps we shouldn't. This then naturally turns to the discussions over out wage system, our decline and whether economically we can compete or would want to with the spending of clubs like City and Chelsea. The press and fans a like draw upon short comings in the squad like no defensive midfielders and highlight what could of been like if we had ever signed Yaya Toure and how he could be our new Vieira. That is followed by what squad we could have if we hadn't sold certain players and the likelihood we would be in a better position and perhaps with trophies. Then people bring up that the problem with us is that players like Cazorla and Podolski shouldn't of been signed to replace out going players but to add to those players when we still had them. I saw one report that we could of had and perhaps should of had a squad with RVP, Podolski, Walcott, Cazorla, Wilshere, Nasri and Fabregas if things had gone different, to many ifs in that way of thinking for me but just sharing. By now fans are either saying that this loss could be the kick that we need to beat Bayern which we can do then push up the league or that we will crash out of the champions league as well and miss out on 4th. The question is raised over our failure to turn up at or provide competition in the big games against United City etc and what will happen against Bayern?

Monday is now here and the press is full of stories of a 70 million war chest for Wenger, will he spend it? won't he? His philosophy to transfers and his and the clubs transfer policy are raised again. Next we see the question of how much money do we have each year the board say X amount is available, reporters say I've looked at Arsenal's finances and they have so much to spend plus this new war chest that gives them a huge amount to spend. Talk over the profit we record, and how the club is run financially ticket prices, player sales, Wenger's economic background and Gazidis' MLS one and their stick financial rules and ideology. A thousand players including Valdes, Jovetic, Villa, Wanyama, Capoue, Schurrle to name a few I saw today are either linked with or suggested as possible signings. Questions are raised as to why we didn't sign a defensive mid in the transfer window or why we didn't sign someone like Lloris who we could benefit from as we only have the young Szczesny. People raise our inability to close a deal and the rubbish that we have signed like Santos.

Then reports surface over a new two year contract and that Wenger is demanding the return of Dein. Then the press conference, Wenger goes nuts about these rumours and spouts his usual response to our short comings of spirit, quality, squad is good enough we always qualify for the champions league etc. Then the press raise the question is Wenger the right man for Arsenal what will happen if we loose to Bayern is that enough? Talk turns to how many points we are off the top of the table and the games we fail to win when we should and how we are nonexistent in the big games.

Throw a little bit about FPP other teams over spending and in a few years it will be our time and you have the normal talk from the club. In the background to this rumours are flying around that Vermaeln will be he next player and arsenal captain to leave to Barcelona in this case and that we are a selling club. Finally just a sprinkle of talk about Usmanov vs Kroenke who would be better for club sugar daddy vs someone who doesn't attend and only seems interested in money. Once again talk turns to a make or break game against Bayern if we loose another trophy less season if by some miracle we win all be forgotten talk of a good run and renewed hope and Wenger is the man to get us fourth. And that is the weekends arsenal related antics.

I'm sorry for the long post and what may appear to have been nonsensical ramblings, and please don't take this as my personal attack on fans and users of this site this is the farthest thing from what I meant. The point I wanted to make is that there is to much going on with Arsenal at the moment, to many conflicting reports and ideas, to much discussion of finances, ticket prices, owners, transfers and the future and this is just an example of what I saw after one weekend put this into a season long scale and then consider how many season these same topics are being discussed its ridiculous. It's getting frustrating, tiresome and frankly annoying from a supports point of view that year after year the same things are getting raised. I want the old Wenger days back when while I briefly spoke about these issues I spent most of my time marveling over 49 unbeaten games, FA cups and Premier league titles or players like Henry, Bergkamp Pires etc that we boasted in our squad, our passing brilliance and ability to dominate teams and games, the football side of Arsenal not everything else. I like many other fans I think have just had enough all I want is honest answers to the same questions that are raised year after year, the future of the club, our transfer policy, wage structure, finances, ticket prices and the vision of the club and owner, so that it can all be put to bed because all I've tried to highlight is that its all that is talked about but nobody seems to really know what is going on, all I want is the truth none of this FFP, we always get 4th that's like a trophy rubbish the honest truth so we as a club can move forward with our without Wenger and now where we are heading and we can get back to talking about the football, even if it isn't as great as it was 10 years ago as I think that will take time as we are miles away from a title winning team. Thanks for reading if you did and sorry for length and I really like this accounts feature great inclusion eds :).
Will

WILL,

i have been fighting for ANSWERS for 2 years on here.
all I ever wanted was the truth, most people were happy to go a long with wenger and that their right to their opinion.

what amazes me is how blind some people are.

the stadium was suppose to be a project up until 2031.
the stadium was never suppose to stop any progress on the pitch.

there was £154 mill in the bank dated may 31st 2012.

why was there no investment in players in the summer.

what money did we spend in the summer.

if wenger was not allowed funds why did he not threaten the board and resign.

why doe wenger lie all the time?

where was the 2 players we were promised in january?

the money is in the bank?

nacho was only bought because of gibbs injury?


lies, lies. lies

tick-tock-tick-tock

Stop crying, just support the team

Streuth! that was a bit of a novel:)
COYG!:) andi

18 Feb 2013 20:50:45
Hi ed.
I saw that holtby played for tottenham against lyon in c3 despite the fact that he ayed for schalke in c1.

I wonder why thi is the case knowing that monreal could not played because he is cup tight?
I am missing something, not sure what. Thanks for your help as you know everything about football.
Arno {Ed002's Note - It is dependent on competition - Lyon are in a different tournie.}

CL is a different competition to the Europa League.

18 Feb 2013 20:29:19
I would take a £500 a week fee to run till my lungs burst for Arsenal. Gervinho misses sitters for £60k a week & act like its just another thing hmmmm! What happened to playing for the badge, seems like Wilshere is the only 1 willing to die out there for the club & he's one of the youngest. How the hell does that work, players need to start looking at themselves in the mirror. Wenger can't score goals or defend for them, the moment you cross that white line you need to be willing to decide are we just going to keep letting the club down every week & take shots from the media or are we finally going to show that we are 1 of the biggest clubs in the world & play that way. I hate bashing players, but I feel its time they take responsibility & stop hiding behind Wenger. Excuse the rant, needed to get that out there.


Usmanov jnr

Anyone with life experience will take a look at that lot and feel they under perform because they have it too easy and nothing to play for. It is exactly the same in any other area of business or work, people will not perform if they have no incentive. They have no financial incentive to perform - the weak players are paid too much, and the top players not enough, so nothing to play for on either count. Unless they support Arsenal. Then you have the '4th is a trophy' mindset. I live by the motto aim for the stars and you might land on the top of a mountain. Only one team will win the league - aim for the league, you might be that one. If all you aim for is top 4? Well it won't be long before one day you fall short of that.

Totally agree with you, I mean I have my fair share of beef with Wenger but the second half performances compared with first half prove without doubt that the players are equally to blame, they have been such a let down this season. I still don't quite get how we are even 5th?

18 Feb 2013 19:37:57
I personally would give him the next five games
2x Bayern, Villa, Yods, Everton. By then our season will be somewhat ressurrected or dead in the water. He needs to be made accountable for some to be quite frank, terrible footballing decisions, team selection. tactics, transfer policy, not giving some of our talented youngsters their chance (and I don't mean the capitol one cup)and his awful embarrassing press conferences, where he talks about whether Bale is better than Messi, the use of drugs in football, how other teams spend their money, but woe betide any reporter who has the audacity to question his own inadequacies as a manager or the squads shortcomings. The board will have to show some balls like Monacco did and sack him, because he won't resign, he knows their is not a managers job on this planet that pays you 146,000 a week to balance the books and once weekly press conference full of bulls--t.
Thanks for the Ed

Top post

where does it end?

there has to be some 1 at the club that makes the decisions.

this is where we the fans have to be shown who runs the club.

for me it shows that wenger is running arsenal f. c.

i have all ways maintained arsene wenger is running arsenal.

i have been saying this for 2 years.

WENGER IS RUNNING ARSENAL.

champagne charlie

Great post Heybridge

18 Feb 2013 19:21:09
Bayern still missing some key players - but too strong for Arsenal: 2-0 Bayern at least.

If anything they will just be resting them against us haha

Remember: 4th place is a trophy!

18 Feb 2013 19:03:49
Just a look at our remaining fixtures.

Aston Villa (H) - Win
Spurs (A) - Lose
Everton (H) - Win
Swansea (A) - Draw
Reading (H) - Win
West Brom (A) - Win
Norwich (H) - Win
Fulham (A) - Draw
Man U (H) - Lose
Wigan (H) - Win
Newcastle (A) - Draw

So that's 21 points from 12 games. This is being realistic also. 65 points come the end of the season will not be enough for a top 4 finish. Chelsea and Spurs still look string whilst we could implode at any minute. We always lose a streak of games around late Feb til early March.

Detroit Gooner {Ed002's Note - As I said (and got mocked for), I fear a struggle with Spurs behind Manchester City - fifth beckons right now.}

Not sure of your predictions we could beat Spurs and Utd but lose games Swansea and Fulham away etc. One thing is for sure its going to be a fight for 3rd and 4th but we are in the mix but a the moment as much as I hate to say we are the underdogs for a champions league spot.

Bergkamp's apprentice

QPR (A) - Win
24 points from 12 games
68 points total

Beat United? yeah because we alwasy do that even with our good teams right?

Chelski and spurs have a much tougher remaining fixture list in comparison to us, and they still have to play each other, so points will be lost. Do also remember that our fixture with Manchester United is sandwiched between two CL semi-finals, and if Manchester United get there, then they may rest some players, and could have wrapped up the league by then as well anyway.

18 Feb 2013 18:49:01
On (not to believed) a web site there saying Wenger is asking for the return of David Dein to help him in player recruitment this summer, and a similar role to what he used to have before his departure. If this is true I would gladly give Wenger more time. Let Ivan, who I believe is doing a good job on the commercial side continue there and have Dein come in and run the football side leaving Wenger to coaching only. Is there any truth in this though?

If Wenger does leave, I would personally like to see any of Moyes, Simone, or Pellergrini given a chance.

Holmesy

18 Feb 2013 17:41:44
the reports of Wenger being offered a new contract is absolute nonsense. think about the timing, there are many other managers who would have, or have been sacked for less than our last result. with more gooners calling for Wenger to go, the Sun is just winding us up with the new contract talk.
don't believe a word that piece of trash newspaper writes about us.

depending on how the rest of the season goes contract talks may start. I don't think we can win the cl this year but have a good feeling about the league if we can keep our key players fit. we must maintain cl football to attract top signing in the summer, I think we may just see some of the changes we are after.

wg

Man, this CL and atracting players is total BS. How many world class players have we bought in the last few years because of CL football? what's the point when you don't spend more then 10-15million?.

18 Feb 2013 16:19:47
"We must not rush our game" - hasn't this been our problem this season? The handbrake?

18 Feb 2013 15:11:13
Yet another majestic performance by the clubs manager in a press conference.

still going on about his record which has not got any better in the last 8 years.

its got to the stage now where I feel like turning over the channel every time I know he's about to speak on tv.

please just go arsene and take your mental strength with you.

you have brought every criticism on to your self, no 1 else is to blame.

there use to be a time when the club would never let it get this bad.
there use to be a time when the name arsenal use to mean something in football.

just go.

champagne charlie

True

gooner mark

I hate it when Wenger harp's on about, don't challenge me, as I have won things 8 years ago or I have been a manager for 30 years. Its a huge sign of weakness. Alas, I see nothing in Wenger's post Highbury football philosophy to illustrate that he will once again be successful. If he were to revert to his hugely successful fluid 4-4-2 formation, sign at least one tall commanding centre back, an experienced quality keeper & two beasts in the centre of midfield, I would give him another chance.

Im glad wenger was overly aggrieved at the press conference today. It shows that despite him saying he never listens to what the 'outside' has to say. he clearly does listen, and he doesn't like it one bit.

If he doesn't like it, he knows what to do! sell the rubbish and buy some talent!

Daniel

Champagne Charlie. so good they named him twice

1404

Not here for a row just want to make a point re your "there was a time when the club wouldn't let it get so bad".
Now I know your a supporter who goes back to the 70s era. Between '71 and '89 what did we win? 2 leagues 2 FA cups and the Fairs Cup. Yes we reached some other finals but ultimately how competitive were we in that 18 year period? Up until Wenger arrived we hadn't had sustained success. No this isn't a staunch defence of the man but an opinion that we have been spoilt somewhat in his earlier years as manager. In that 18 year period, Bertie Mee Terry Neil Don Howe and George Graham between them won 5 trophies. The club as a whole has never pushed for the success in ways Manchester United Chelsea and man city are doing now. In the 80s it was Liverpool and Everton.

Be interested to here your view on this opinion

I found the press conference funny. loved the sarcasm of wenger. and arteta laughing.

Paul that is very true, however back then we did not have the resources to push for almost seasonal success like we do now. Massive commercial deals, huge stadium, finance-free almost, we have developed club profits of £195m in the last 5 years or something. So back then sure we didn't win all that much. But back then we weren't all that different to smaller teams. We are now in a totally different echelon to teams like Wigan, QPR etc, yet we have nothing to show for it. I can totally understand that success often has a yo-yo effect and you are not likely to win all the time, but this is usually because clubs go through periods where they spend money and have all the players and then periods where they sell the players and recoup and rebuild. This cycle usually last for a few seasons max, and it usually involves shifting key players, bringing in big funds, and rebuilding. The team that is assembled as a result usually has a settling season, then a growing season, they a season where it's clear they're back in it. Whereas with us, we've sold our best players, not brought in younger versions who would grow to be as good, not kept the group together, not incorporated youth talent, sold more players, not brought in younger version, rinse and repeat whilst consistently diluting the overall quality of the squad year after year for 8 years now.

Weren't we told the minimum spend period would be 5-6 years max? Yes. In that time all that happened was we sold amazing players, paid peanuts for worse ones, paid them far too much, and repeated this. Sure, two summers ago Wenger spent around £50m. But he did so after selling Nasri and Fabregas for a combined total of more than that. This was two months after the club announced a £55m war chest.

Sure we spent a lot last summer. What we got for our money on the whole was great - Podolski, Giroud and Santi. However, this amount was covered by the sales of RVP and Song - but weren't we told there was £70m available to Wenger his time?

So I know success is not guaranteed, but it is not so readily avoided like it is at Arsenal. A club of our stature and resources should be going a few seasons here and there without seriously challenging. not 8 virtually identical seasons of having absolute no chance of winning the league or Champs league.

That's just my view.

Hi metal

Generally the amount in the "transfer kitty" is revealed by the media so how accurate that is I'm not sure. The word from the club usually goes along the line of "substantial money will be made available. "
Your right we have spent a lot of money pretty much ALL covered as you say by the sales of our best players. Is this what the club means by "substantial money will be made available"? The money we create from sales.
I'm of the opinion that IF there was a lot of money available players like Giroud would NOT have been signed. We would have gone for the next level up.
It's a bit like watching an episode of the X Files. There's a secret that needs uncovering due to a mass cover up.
I hope we get the truth soon but I'm not holding my breathe.

18 Feb 2013 14:19:22
If we win 2mrow it will be amazing but I don't want everyone saying we've got our Arsenal back! Arsenal has collapsed again this season. I think Arsenal put more strain on us fans then u do when u divorce the wife! j lockwood

18 Feb 2013 13:25:38
about fans to be blame for failure. do not think fan equals supporter, and supporters arsenal need right now. show support to those who need it and they will use it to destroy the enemy, show lack of believe in their abilities and they very seldom prove you wrong. it is enough that all newspaper and tv world is against arsenal team, they do not need 60k more people against them, when they need them most. get behind your team till the end of the season, then do us you wish. do not sabotage your team, support your team. prove your quality by showing some, not only by demanding one.
n

18 Feb 2013 12:50:20
big game tomorrow night for us, personally I don't think we will get anything from the game (hope i'm wrong)

but what's every ones starting 11 for the game?

brummy gun

I think a draw is the maximum we will take from the game.

Starting 11. the usuals, but I expect to see aaron ramsey on the wings because as we all know, Wenger thinks ramsey is a top quality winger with superb mental strength.

Daniel

18 Feb 2013 11:47:31
everyone is entitled to their opinion on here but I saw a post saying that the fans are to blame, sorry but that's total bull. we don't pick the team, we ain't the stubborn ones who can't admit when we are wrong and we ain't the ones on 50k plus a week that can't beat lower league opposition.
so lay off the fans it's not our fault try blaming the stubborn manager or the useless rubbish we have

gooner mark

18 Feb 2013 14:24:26
well said. how can it be the fans! 34s of the arsenal players are there for the money and couldn't give 2 s. ts win or lose,

Its not so much about the money it just annoys me how people blame the fans.

gooner mark

18 Feb 2013 11:17:59
Hope everyone registers. Be good to see every post with a name to it

Yes Paul totally agree, think the tone of anonymous posts would certainly change!

I don't post much, but thought might as well.

I agree, so many fake poters on here

The Queen

Well I never felt the need to hide behind anonymity (save for the fact this isn't my real name obviously!), but agree should get rid of some of the ridiculous posters on here.

Kermit79

Kermit, you mean all this time we've been thinking that you are a little green frog who dates a pig with blonde hair and this is not the case?

I for one am gutted, although there really are some proper muppets omn here!

337

Hopefully people don't register with alternative emails for multiple names! {Ed007's Note - How sad would that actually be? We can still see details like the IP etc but anyone caught doing that will be named and shamed plus ridiculed for life for having no friends, even by their own parents.}

Edoo7 is the "cape crusader" of the site. {Ed007's Note - You have no idea what I go through, somebody has to keep all the rapscallions in order, posters AND editors..If you ever see someone 6ft2 with the body of a Greek god, dressed in a full Celtic kit with Keane 16 on the back and wearing an Eric Cantona mask, don't be shy to say hello ;-)

18 Feb 2013 10:51:10
Wengers transfer policy is holding the club back.


Most of our best players have left and won things. I think that says it all.


Show me the evidence to the contrary that wenger is building a team to challenge for the league?


Its minimum investment to get a top 4 place- for what? So the club keeps the coffers flowing and we can watch a few Cl games and finish 3rd or 4th.


No thanks, I've had enough of that.


If essentially you aim or try to compete for 4th spot, whilst trying to make profits or never make a loss in the transfer market, in the long term you will get undone- why? Because other cubs around you will catch up and the one's at the top will just get further away.

Sincere thanks Arsene, but time for a change of policy and new vision.
LG

Unfortunately its all about money. RVP, nasri, song, hleb, flamini they all left for money. don't believe any other story. its all PR work.

The only player who left for the club is cesc. and I know he is a sensitive topic here but I still admire the man. he said nothing negative for 2 years of the transfer saga while all his pals did the talking.

We are a club that breaks even and having rubbish players does not help.

getting rid of rubbish and spending wages on true talent would help but considering this entire Agents running the game, and clubs paying agents fees and the fact Odemwinge sat outside QPR in his car because his agent advised him to and he was looking at nearly 70k payrise to be relegated says all.

Football has no loyalty. its all about the bottom line. I can bet you RVP, Nasri and others would stay to fill their pockets. sometimes you need to take a step back to go forward.

remember even clubs like united, chelsea and liverpool don't meet FFP. I would suggest reading on the FFP blog to see this rather than reading some websites which spurt rubbish. {Ed001's Note - are you sure you know what you are talking about? Chelsea and United both met FFP regulations in their last accounting period that has been released.}

18 Feb 2013 08:12:23
I came on this forum early last season saying Szczesny was the worst keeper we'd ever had, and god knows, we've had some awful number 1's in recent years. Anyway, I was widely ridiculed. Again, a few weeks ago, I came back with the same point. Same retorts. This guy was built up by the media to Seamen like stature for a couple of great saves early in his career. He has never convinced me that he's anything other than a calamitous, error prone, na�ve keeper who is not only short of the ability required to play for Arsenal, but for any premier league team. A few rumours up here in Scotland are that Alan McGregor is unhappy in Turkey. We could have him for �2m and 40k a week. Would I? In a heartbeat. The worrying thing is that he was made available to Wenger both on a free at the start of the season, and also for transfer last month. Stuck with Szezesny and look where we are now. Oh, and any manager who starts Diaby and Gervinho in any game deserves to lose. End of.

Almunia? Flybo

I don't believe Szczesny is as bad as you say. He simply hasn't improved as would be expected and he is over-confident. I believe it was a mistake to make such an inexperienced, young keeper, the number one so early in his career. I would like to see us sign Pepe Reina or a similar experienced keeper.

I think we will decide when it is 'end of' a discussion, and you have the front to call Shez arrogant!

He is a very good, young keeper and if you know anything about football you will realise that a keeper does not peak until late 20's / Early 30's.

End of - Doughnut

18 Feb 2013 11:49:54
well said.

To the person who claims I called shez arrogant? I didn't. Further, you say a keepeer doesn't peak til late 20's early 30's? I couldn't agree more. What's your point? Surely not that we should persist with the buffoon Shez for another ten years til he improves?
Doughnut. I think so.

Now he's a buffoon as well! I think you should register that name Doughnut before someone else snaps it up.

Was seaman a buffoon? I mean he made plenty of mistakes.

The only way a keeper can become world class is to learn from his mistakes, one thing for sure with sir shez is that when he does make a mistake it does not knock his confidence which is the mark of a world class keeper in the making.

337

All keepers make mistakes, Jack Kelsey did, that's how far I go back as do all outfield players, its just a lot our so called fans love moaning, they are well known for it at other clubs to the point it amuses them to hear it

18 Feb 2013 07:20:09
We need to start with Gervinho on Tuesday, as the spearhead of our front 3. That boy will have those German defenders on toast.
I tell you!

Be more like bread and butter for the Munich defense

Do you support Bayern Munich by any chance?

More like the germans can have a toast while they defend him.

Absolutely, Wenger seems to destroy players careers, as of late. There is a long list of such players. I believe this is because his formations have been poor, since the successful 4-4-2 days. He refuses to sign a tall strong central defender in the Adams, Keown, Bould mould. He refuses to play with two tall strong commanding centre backs.

LOL might as well re-sign and play stepanovs there. You would think the lad would be full of confidence after the ACON and he goes on and misses ANOTHER sitter.

Aussie Gunnah

Its a sitter my gran would take with that feeble foot she has.

18 Feb 2013 01:32:52
Let's face it gervinho is horrible could not score in a wh**re house and Wenger only buys world class players. It boils down to this if its Wenger being strapped by money then he should stay if its him who won't spend he should go. We don't play to finish fourth it is a joke. If he says one more time that fourth is more important then winning silverware I will throw up. Its about competing with the best we are a big club with massive profits its about winning you don't even get a bronze medal for fourth place. You play to win championships now I know why rvp and cesc wanted to leave they are winners.
Darren Tampa

18 Feb 2013 00:01:58
Is anyone going to see bayern practice some of their shooting skills on Tuesday? I would like to hear back how it feels to see babies goo goo ga ga in a man's world.

FA cup witness - lakerville