Arsenal Banter Archive July 18 2013

 

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18 Jul 2013 22:34:42
{Ed027's Note - I can actually guarantee that if we signed Negredo or Jovetic, people would of said 'hardly big singings'}

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Wouldn't have minded them. But all the speculation of Rooney, higuain and Suarez made jovetic and negredo look mediocre compared.

Think jovetic would have been a good fit with us too, shame we couldn't get him. At least there's one positive; nasri's career with city looks well and truly finished :D

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They're bigger than anyone we've signed though. And the looks of it is we've missed out on Higuain and when Napoli sign him well miss out on Suarez because real will then be able to buy him.

Leaving us with the scraps. As per usual.
AG

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Jovetic is nothing special. I was praying we didn't sign him earlier in the summer. Negredo is similar to Giroud so I'm not too fussed about that either.

G95

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Who?

Unless they're promising French under 18's I'm not interested.

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18 Jul 2013 23:52:06
If there is less demand for tickets the price will reduce. The longer the waiting list the higher the price. Simple supply and demand. Good luck sitting back and waiting for europa comp. You Should have much more ambition! You sit there cheering on poor over paid players - I'll demand something better.

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I'm glad we aren't getting them, that's for sure.

It's Higuain/Suarez/Lewandowski/Rooney or no one for me.

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Just a thought, what about soldado? dunno if he would be available but has a better than 1 in 2 ratio for Valencia and spain. Valencia have a bit of cash problems as well I think so may not cost too much. sure he is 28 but he is very experienced and knows where the goal is.

DJ

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18 Jul 2013 22:13:07
Someone asked how season tickets sales are going

Renewal time is passed. I applied for a seat move and they didn't have enough drop outs to move me.

With a long waiting list we will sell them all if we haven't already done so

That's why I find all these 'giving up my season ticket' angry postings so funny - do you actually think the business heads at the club care if you do that when they've already got a queue to replace you!

If you want to protest then simply don't spend anything on merchandise or food etc at the ground. They cannot replace that income!

Personally I want big signing but most of all I want the right signings, ones who will progress and develop the team and turn us back into challengers.

I'm going to wait and see who we sign, shout my head off to support them until I see how they get on and then I will decide how happy I am with the summer transfer business

I also cracked up at another 'chuck the extra £2m in to swing it' type comment. That's the ridiculous financial approach that got leeds where they are - and none us want that for AFC surely?

The money men will see the big picture, place a value on a player that we can afford, haggle to get them for less if they can but if not they won't pay more than their opinion of the value.

Even if we as supporters don't like it - That's sensible management.

The other thing is that whether we like the outcome or not the management will do what they think is best for the club I what motivation is there for them to do anything else? Professionally no one wants a failure on their CV!

Finally we as supporters think with our hearts. We love the club and we don't understand why anyone couldn't. The management of the club are professionals and they think with their heads. Again we as supporters don't like it but it's got us to the top in the past and it will get us back there - maybe with changes at the top, maybe without - we don't know what the bigger plan is for the club like the managementso we can't properly judge or understand the outcome against those measures

All we can judge is the result on the pitch so we as supporters have to do what we can to support the team to get the best result those 11 players with the gun on their chest can. I hate going to Stoke, its the city class forgot, but they get behind their team. All too often I've seen our fans sat back in their nice plush seats like they're at the cinema

Too many people seem to think we have a divine right to win everythings. That's crap - if we want to win things we all (players supporters managementn everyone) MUST pull together.
So, in summary guys, whoever we sign, support them throughout the whole game, get behind them, don't boo them (that gets them down and encourages the opposition).

Bring on the season whatever it brings and let's show the world how proud and good THE Arsenal are

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Touching.

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Stoke fans weren't as supportive has you claim Last season.

Of course we don't have a define right to win. Nobody on this site has said that, but with the money the club has due to us fans, we do have the right to at least compete.

The point certain fans make when they say "offer a couple of million more" is that if that player would improve us so we can compete, then it's worth it. To do that with one or two players would not turn us into the next Leeds.

Apart from those points I agree with your sentiments.
Flybo

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A real fan I am sick of all the negative

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Nicely said Flybo, when we say spend few million extra on a player its because that player is worth it, for example if we had spend few millon extra on Mata (who we all knew was a class) instead of. 10 million on gervino, what a difference that would have had made. And on the point of Leeds they were not as big as, we have a worldwide following, bigger stadium, more revenue etc.

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18 Jul 2013 22:13:01
eds non transfer related but with us having a somewhat huge season ticket waiting list is the talk from a while back about extending the stadium still an option for us? as always much appreciated guys {Ed027's Note - It will always be an option mate, I think if you use the search function you will find quite a few of the things that we could do

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18 Jul 2013 22:08:00
Higuain will go to Napoli, Suarez will stay at Liverpool, Rooney wages are too much, who's "top quality" left within our capabilities?

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Didn't Wenger say that we could afford his wages?

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You will not get Suarez on the cheap. Are you willing to pay 45 million plus for him. Big gamble. Could be that Suarez greatest crime would be to bring down Wenger come the end of the season

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18 Jul 2013 22:04:45
Heard through the grapevine that Madrid cannot afford to offer more than £25 million for Suarez, unless they move on some players. Napoli are not willing to meet Madrid's valuation for Higuain, and I think Chelsea only want Rooney according to Jose, therefore Suarez maybe just maybe will be ours.

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That leaves Suarez and Higuain as I've tried to say before Higuain is a player available to Arsenal still and it's no given he will join Napoli. Juventus and Arsenal have also held talks with the player, bottom line is Madrid's asking price is astronomical and undeserved for a second choice striker.

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18 Jul 2013 22:00:37
Transfers out

Santos has been released from his contract and he has signed for flamingo on a 2 year deal.

The terms of the release appears to be same as denilson where we haven't had to pay up his contract to release him.

Another player out of the door which further swells the coffers.

Park also appears to be heading out the club in the same way, where as Bendtner and Chamakh will be a lot more difficult to move on due to thier high salaries. Loan deals appear to be the only viable way to see them run down the final year of thier contracts. Thier contracts will be supplemented by us.

Gervinho is currently choosing his destination, this should be wrapped up in the next week, with Lyon, Marsellie and Roma all viaing for his signature.

Transfer in

To be honest I do not claim to know who maybe coming in. I sure we are not all jumping for joy hearing the news that Joel Campbell has had his work permit granted, however the arsene has his core squad of player still intact so he is in no panic to buy. I personally don't see the club making any genuine statement of intent, there is no precedent to tell me otherwise. We may sign a couple of squad players at best, it really all depends on whatever scraps are left over. Although the squad is largely unaffected by the players going out, a squad that is weak is now even weaker and with all the clubs arounds us strengthening it will be difficult to maintain this position our top four target.

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18 Jul 2013 21:49:59
So who are we going to buy?

Dzeko? Benteke? Cisse? Ba?

Cos we ain't signing Hig, Rooney or Suarez.

Might as well resign ourselves to this fact now than in a months time when were ulling our hair out and spitting feathers

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Going to most likely be Benteke or Higuain. Can't see us sealing Higuain before season starts so expect a bid for Benteke early next week.

Arsenal Tharsie

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18 Jul 2013 21:44:19
Arsenal will not sign Gonzalo higuain after months of him potentially signing for Arsenal. Kießling from Bayer 04 is an option for Wenger

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18 Jul 2013 21:43:50
I'm hoping some signings are already lined up, Wenger looks very calm and confident.

I know several people who were on the season ticket waiting list who have been called up recently. I have a feeling they are struggling with renewals. This means new signings are more imperative to try and boost ticket sales.

In hope!

Chris

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Confident that he won't have to part with our money!

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18 Jul 2013 21:29:22
Hi Edd! apparently Fiorentina have announced an agreed fee for Jovetic to Man City, You mentioned a twist in his saga, any news on this? {Ed027's Note - This has been done to death, you're on about Ed002's comments keep up!

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18 Jul 2013 21:17:56
{Ed027's Note - Arsenal have now freed up approx £360k pw in wages, through the exits of 7 first-teamers. That's about £18.7m per-year.}

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2+7 = 9.

3 is the luckiest number.

3 squared = 9.

You are 'lucky Ed'.

Everyone needs a nickname. {Ed001's Note - oh trust me Ed027 has a few nicknames, I am just not able to repeat them on here! ;o) Lucky ed is not one of them though, oddly enough.}

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Put me in a positive mood with that statement. Just trying to return the favour (in the randomest way possible of course.

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Eds, do you think this will trigger some players coming in now? {Ed027's Note - not necessarily, but I sure expect us to

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Ed (s) is this the biggest overhaul you've seen of 'deadwood' players leaving?

PdotY {Ed027's Note - I'd have to look up, but it sure looks it

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18 Jul 2013 21:10:05
Someone at work just said a quote that reminded me of Arsenal.

'There is no use being the richest guy in the Graveyard. '

SPEND SOME MONEY.

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18 Jul 2013 23:58:14
Do something about it then. Be brave - make a stand and don't buy your season ticket. They get away with it every year because of people like you. Bendtner and co sit there on their massive wage and have no ambition while wenger does the same - and you continue to support that. You're destroying the team I love!

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18 Jul 2013 21:07:26
hey fellow gooners, I just wanna say i'm a season ticket holder for past 5 years and honestly seeing every transfer window the board tell us they're buying big names etc. just for all of us to buy season ticket.

All other top teams are making signings and trying to get a team together as soon as possible but we will end up with the left overs or averege players. same old story. i'm really fed up.

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18 Jul 2013 20:57:02
Hazard, Mata, Jovetic, Suarez, Rooney, Higuain, Fellaini, Fabregas, tick them off one by one as they pass us by! If its Cisse, Barry and an injured aspiring postman all we sign then Wenger please don't sign a new deal. Usmanov please step forward pronto

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Are u for real arsenal would crumble without wenger who would replace him man is a genus

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18 Jul 2013 20:55:47
Jovetic to city.

They're going gun-ho this summer!

Shame we can't do the same

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18 Jul 2013 20:51:58
Hey edd's, I just have a couple of transfer questions (what a shocker for you guys I bet. ). Do you see kondogbia singing for arsenal in the next month or so? I suppose that's a difficult question as it doesn't look like arsenal have officially enquired sevilla regarding him. Also, do you see arsenal making another move for higuain with napoli's interest in him as a cavani replacement well reported, or is it your opinion that arsenal will keep their options open (i don't even know how they could say that with the number of options dwindling). Lastly, do you see ashley williams making a move this summer even though he has been named as a captain for swansea? (not club captain) Thanks guys for all of the info, looking forward to the next couple of weeks.

HooverGooner {Ed027's Note - You've answered the Kondogbia and Higuain one's for me, it think we will stick with what we've got defensively

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I can't see us signing the Seville players has the just sold two of their players to city

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Seville are skint.

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18 Jul 2013 20:50:56
Wenger now has a new quote to explain no new transfers there is a lot of money around not many players, this window get worse and worse if we do buy anyone its clearly not going to be a marquee signing. and jovetic has just signed for man $ity. another target goes to a direct rival


ty. 1

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18 Jul 2013 20:49:46
Jovetic is on his way to man City. Another target gets away!

Yawwwn

Hatfield gunner {Ed027's Note - He was no longer a target!

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Wasn't a target for a few weeks haha

But I've heard city have got him for what we were offering which is a kick to the crotch

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18 Jul 2013 20:30:19
Ed, any idea of how season ticket renewals are going at all?

It would be interesting to see if our transfer activity would quicken up a bit if they were slow. {Ed027's Note - not a clue, i'd imagine they are fine though, something like 10,000 was a waiting list and that's not including existing holders

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18 Jul 2013 20:11:55
Jovetic, Higuain, Suarez, Benteke - Spot the odd one out and guess which one we'll end up with. {Ed027's Note - Higuain? Suarez? Benteke?

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The three we have actually been linked with.

The three big names.

Lol

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Not Jovetic mate! Man s***ty have just signed him. Oh well we can dream.
Nothing changes at the Arsenal. Well, 3 statues and a soppy banner showing the new away kit. I suppose that's something?

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Don't need Benteke

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18 Jul 2013 13:20:04
Eds I'm having a difficulty accessing the Teams page. Whats up with that?

{Ed033's Note - That's very bizarre. You can access all pages except http://www.arsenalrumours.co.uk/arsenal-wishlists.php

Does the page half load or do you get an error message?

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A new player profile has been created on Theo Walcott

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A new player profile has been created on Lukas Podolski

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18 Jul 2013 19:19:25
{Ed027's Note - Hey guys, great news, I'm hearing Andre Santos has agreed to join Flamengo, but that's not it I'm hearing it's on a permanent basis}

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Best news heard for weeks cheers bud {Ed027's Note - Ahh a few people are saying it's a loan, a few permanent, lets hope for the latter! It should be confirmed by tomorrow as that is when the Brazilian transfer window closes}

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No, he's decided to join a flamenco club. Sorry to break the bad news.
Flybo

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Released for free. 2 year deal. YESSSSSSSSSSSS!

Arsenal doing a decent job getting shot of these donkeys so far to be fair.

Santos has left the building :)

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Its a permanent deal, but it was a free transfer.

BR Gooner

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18 Jul 2013 19:10:41
Might be reading into this abit to much but Wenger has publicly stated we aren't close to any signings. Just based on typical arsene quotes I wonder if this means there could be activity soon. To publicly eay we have a war chest then sign nobody huge wouod be commercial suicide surely?

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Commercially - you've still got £+70m in your back pocket. PR wise - your screwed.

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18 Jul 2013 19:01:49
Just some thoughts

We have seen activity on the transfermarket from several great clubs this summer, and I have been surprised that we have not been involved in them.

We have recentley seen (former) transfer targets like Wanyama and Strootmann go to other, less impressive, clubs than our beloved Arsenal.

Point is, the reason we most likley haven't even considered these players is because we are looking for even better players. But at this point, the only player entering the gates to Emirates is youngster Yaya Sanogo.

We have had a bid rejected for Lars Bender a while ago, but haven't heard anything new there. The same goes for Suarez. I realy hope we are in for these players for real, and try to go the extra mile to make them put pen to paper. They are the kind of players we should settle for, even how much I dislike Suarez as a person.

Guess we just have to be patient, though me and a lot of other fans are starting to get worried.

Mr T

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18 Jul 2013 18:41:32
squad #'s available currently are 2/18/20/22/23 and #11/27/29/52 should be avail shortly. saw in preseason that miquel was wearing #20. not sure if that means much since ollson was wearing #23. but if this is anything to go on I believe we are close to a defensive signing hence diaby # switch. historically #2 is a right back. maybe sagna on way out. abate perhaps and sakho from PSG now that they have marquinos on the verge. don't think we will sign a forward all a smokescreen to get defense tightened up

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18 Jul 2013 18:31:50
If Real don't bid 4 Suarez, what wil happen. Wil thy b forced 2 accept our offer (since th player wants out) or wat?

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Eds please answer th question? {Ed027's Note - it doesn't work like that at all, Suarez will then stay at Liverpool

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A new player profile has been created on Santi Cazorla

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Why? r we doing the normal thing and selling 1 or 2 of our best players and signing a few unknowns just to balance books and fund wengers new contract, come on Wenger and get your warchest out ffs. My son has come home from football practice tonight and asked why we support a team that never wins (he's 8, teammates consists mostly scumchester utd fan's, couple chelski and one poor magpie) has been ribbed by mates and is hard to explain to young boy. Have done deal with him that if we haven't won anything in next 2 yrs he can choose his own team and I can only see that going one way and if that happens I may just have too kill myself and leave my son orphaned. So please arsene get your cheque book out and save my sanity

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19 Jul 2013 00:02:38
Giroud better then rvp. Get a grip.

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18 Jul 2013 18:26:25
Giroud's the man. He is very much like Van Persie, hopefully he can emulate him and even be better. All Giroud needs is a good partner uptop eg the likes of Saurez. We saw last year by his stats he can shoot and set up goals which he enjoys doing and does very well at.

I feel we need centre defence midfielder after Song left we've been left week in the middle, however, Arteta has done a decent job filling in but we need better.

The five we have is solid. Kos and BFG are just a*, Gibbs is top-notch, Szs is very good and still young, the only one I would say I worry about is Sagna due to the fact he can't cross and he slips too much in crucil areas in the defence department and he's aging. I would easily put Jenkinson infront of him as his shown he could play really well in the prem.

I really like the english core we've got going on but we need more physicall/solid players who won't give up the ball easy and are naturally born strong with of course flair, skills etc.

My post for the day

D2K

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This is the team that barely made 4th place - what are you talking about?

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Your tight no signings = 5/6 place Wenger must know this as well. do they care!

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18 Jul 2013 18:05:20
Right guys some info for ya, Higuain signing is getting complicated now but we are keeping a eye on the Saurez situation. Madrid are expected to make a bid early next week. If they don't we'll try our luck and 1, we'll get him or 2, it'll force them to drop the price of Higuain when they finally sign Saurez.

If our bid fails and Madrid don't put there bid in we are going to steal Benteke from under the nose of spurs (before it's to late and there is no top strikers left). Villa are asking for 25mill and tight arse up the road only wants to pay 18-20mill. Apparently we are going to offer 25mill and get him tied up before the spurs know what has happened.

If they also bid the 25mill it's expected he would choose us because Cl and he's a supporter of the club.
I for one think it should be Saurez but don't see it happening tbh. So that said I think we should get Benteke and at 37mill stay well away from Higuain.

Arsenal tharsie

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18 Jul 2013 18:29:02
Thanks Arsene. feel better now its come from the horses mouth. Why do people come on here and just make things up like they are in the know. km

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I am glad that you r not in charge of the purse strings. I must be missing something with Benteke. 25m you are kidding me. Would you get excited about going to watch him. Would you make a visit to the Emirates excited about what he could do. No. I don't profess to be itk with regard to him but have seen him at Villa (not on the telly] and he seriously underwhelmed me. He had two shockers. His movement off the ball is poor. For £25 M we should be looking at better quality than that which he offers.

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Benteke will be a great signing for us and I'll bet you all change your views when he's playing in our shirt. Try to pass on info and just get slated why not ask proper questions regarding the post or comment on it in a way that shows you are older that 10?

When he signs you'll get to see week in week out how good he really is.

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And you have watched him at Villa Park week in week out or is that the papers you are reading? If he is that hot why are Barca and RM not in for him? He scored some goals and he had a decent season but don't get carried away by it all, they used to rave about Carlton Cole in his first season.

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No I didn't watch every game he played last year but did watch a lot of football as I enjoy the sport not just my team.
Ok he wouldn't be the best man for the job but do you honestly see us getting someone like Suarez? Higuain is looking to expensive and atleast Benteke has a year in the league. IF we do sign him I think people will see he's a worthy investment, even at 25mill

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18 Jul 2013 17:22:05
"Napoli have signed two players from Real madrid, callejon & Albiol for a combined, 22 million Euros. "

This statement made me think. if they are REALLY after Higuain, then they would have also finished this one up already.

Also, do we have the right to boot them out of the Emirates Cup if they sign Cesar and Higuain?

I think we should.

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18 Jul 2013 17:16:36
Whatever happened to Benik Afobe and Chuks Aneke?

Didn't we turn down an offer from Barcelona for the two of them?
When it comes to hanging on to mediocre youth players were all good but when it comes to retaining big name stars.

And what about JET?
The next big thing he was supposed to be pft

This Zelalem kid looks damn good though, his passes are superb. Reminds me of a certain former Arsenal captain who played for us not too long ago.

Nick.

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18 Jul 2013 18:31:07
Ben had an injury. km

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Didn't Chuks play yesterday

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18 Jul 2013 17:03:20
In exactly a month the season kicks off.

our transfers are nowhere near completion, or probably from being true.

Napoli have signed two players from Real madrid, callejon & Albiol for a combined, 22 million Euros.

PSG have signed Marquinos a 19 year old defender for 35 mill Euros, not to forget Cavani, and the countless other high paid players.

interesting stat : since last summer PSG have spent 240 mill on transfers, while over the last 10 years Arsenal have spent 232 million.

Is there a FFP? because it seems like we are following the rules.

Man city, spending crazy money again, chelsea did their binging last summer, Monaco having a massive binge, I guess time will tell.

I'm not asking for a 60 mil pound signing, and I doubt the suarez thing will even remotely happen, knowing us and big money.

but everything this window seems to be going against us. United, seem to be following Man city's plan of buying Arsenal players, with their interest in cesc, and practically everyone besides wenger saying for the right money the deal is possible, not even considering our clause as they don't even see us as a threat.

Higuain's price has gone up considerably, not sure if the aguero rumours are true, (because if reals interest is pure, then the suarez situation gets interesting. )

especially since they have almost completed the Negredo deal, and are likely to complete the jovetic deal.

Fellaini is going to be a august 14th acquisition, most likely by Man utd.

we are in need of a defender, with vermaelen out till november.

On the rooney scenario, if he is available for 25 mill, then that puts Arsenal in the driving position, as they would not see us as a threat to their campaign, but its likely that rooney will be angling for a move to chelsea for that same very reason, so end result means, we are left bargain hunting.

I guess only time will tell, but going by how much time has passed and the progress in acquiring or even progressing in search of targets, I have to say next season we may struggle to even get 4th.

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Patience is a virtue that is in short supply, judging by most of these posts, let's wait until Sep 30 at midnight, and then have a look at the league table.
That's the time to relax or worry, not now.

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Rue1025

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Good post but keep the faith 4-5 signings to come. MK Gunner

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Lets hope so guys. but its hard to see, where the signings are coming from, when everyone wants to overpay for junk, that now the gervinho's would cost 15-20mill.

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8 years is a long time to remain patient.

Smudge

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18 Jul 2013 16:58:14
Hey I was wondering why all the rumours have died down with lewandowski it seems strange that there was interest from ever club it bayern haven't wrapped up a deal yet eds what is his current situation
True g {Ed027's Note - listen to the news mate, Klopp and all the rest of it have confirmed he will be at Bayern next season

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18 Jul 2013 16:28:03
why don't we start playing hard ball with Liverpool on Suarez we should throw in a bid on Erickson I think he is their main target great player and if we ended up with him on the books wouldn't be all bad

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Bidding Suarez was to play hardball for Higuain, and then we for and play hardball for the player we are playing hardball for? when does it end?

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18 Jul 2013 16:25:07
Imagine Higuain turining out for Napoli at the Emirates cup.
Demoralizing does not begin to describe the feeling.

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Not if Suarez is on the other half;)

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18 Jul 2013 15:29:51
Ed, silly question how else can Arsenal handle this situation with Bendtner and Chamakh? can they release them, how much would that cost? is it cheaper than keeping them on the books.
Thanks for the great work and site

Mark1234 {Ed027's Note - that would mean paying of there remain salary so it will cost the same, but just in a lump sum, if they can't be sold, they will be loaned out

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18 Jul 2013 14:01:16
Hi Eds, has there been any interest from us in Roberto Sold ado? 59 goals in 101 appearances for Valencia and 6 in 11 for Spain. Slightly better ratio than Higuain. It seems the spurs have been interested. Thanks {Ed027's Note - none what so ever, but if do miss out on other players we could go for him

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18 Jul 2013 12:46:00
Hi eds, I was going to get a new shirt with Podolski on the back but I just wanted to know if there is any chance he might leave this Summr or I Jan. Thanks :) {Ed027's Note - I highly doubt it mate, he is very happy

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18 Jul 2013 16:23:07
Santi Cazorla is not going anywhere and I will be very surprised and EXTREMELY pissed off if he does.

But if he were to leave, how much would you say he is worth?

I wouldn't take anything less than 30 million for him.

Interesting to see what you guys think.

Nick.

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I wouldn't imagine Santi would be even thinking about leaving he must know he is very very popular with Arsenal fans. So my answer is that he is here to stay. But if he was to leave I would then say well there is no hope for Arsenal in attracting and keeping players. What else could you say?
One thing that gets me, along with I imagine lots of other people is why do we seem to make transfers such a chore. It's not as if we have a crap stadium, facilities etc. I just don't get it.

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A smart bit of business would be selling him to Real Madrid in exchange for Higuain and cash or w/e,
then bringing back Cesc, 2 signings for 1

i love Santi though it'd be a big shame if we ever did get rid of him so soon.

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Its a funny one mate because I think 25-27m but rate him a lot more than fernandinho who cost 38m.

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18 Jul 2013 16:19:55
This is probably wrong but I have a feeling that we only bid 30 million for Suarez, knowing that it won't be enough, just to be able to say
we tried hard to sign quality players
we are capable of bidding 30+ million etc.

We could bid 70 million for Messi, knowing it won't be enough to get him and then say,
We had a 70 million dollar bid for a player turned down.
We are willing to spend big amounts on one player.

I doubt this is the case but it got me thinking.

Nick.

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18 Jul 2013 15:48:35
Good Morning Ed, hope you doing well.
I have a question for you:

some people are reporting that we are set to miss out on Higuain to Napoli. Can RM sell him to Napoli against his will? or does Higuain have to accept and sign off on any transfer? If that's true then surely he wouldn't go to Napoli unless he considered them more attractive than us?

Thanks as always, {Ed029's Note - He can't be sold against his will.}

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Another Ed wrote on the Madrid page that he would prefer to go to Napoli.

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Word, thanks Ed.

What do you think will eventually happen with this matter? The above poster saying that he heard Higuain would prefer Napoli over us? Do you think that's because of better wages, or because they are guaranteed Champions League and we still have to qualify?

Really appreciate the info man, thanks a lot. {Ed029's Note - You would need to find which Ed said what and ask them.}

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Think it was Ed01 who stated that napoli are favourites and that arsenal have taken too long for a deal to be struck

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18 Jul 2013 15:11:44
I've got this horrible feeling we are going to end up wit Rooney. Come on Chelsea!

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I dnt think that's a horrible feeling, sometimes I think you forget the dismal players we have. chamakh, park, Bendtner. I would take Rooney hands down every time over this bunch of Under average players.
You seem to think we've always signed big name players. Rooney is a sign we are going in right direction.

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Would rather rooney over park, bedtner, chamak

tobias

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Even if we miss out on Higuain and suarez, Rooney would be the best player that Arsenal would have ever bought in Everyone else was created by Arsene so to speak

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19 Jul 2013 11:09:43
one thing I don't think has been mentioned here yet (sorry if i've missed it) is how good for our england international squad it would be if rooney signed for us.
just think: rooney, walcott, jenkinson, wilshire, the ox, gibbs -all playing together week in week out.
i still doubt rooney will sign for us (it'll be chelsea i'd imagine), however he does seem to get along well with walcott and the ox (from watching them play together for england). rooney and wilshire seem to hate eachother, although thsi is just from what i've seen during heated ars vs Man United matches; i'd imagine that they actually respect eachother a lot as players.
it's odd with rooney; I recall not too long ago him slagging off arsenal in twitter calling the club arseanal - but then months later he was bigging up diaby (asking why he doesn't play more often. ; didn't realise he is injured 90% of the time), and saying how great arsenal fans were and showed class when we gave Man United the guard of honour.
to sum up (sorry for blabbering on. ); i'd be surprised if we signed him but part of me reads a bit more in to is recent apparent respect for the gunners and thinks he's like to play for us) - maybe he also now hates rvp after stealing his limelight and wants to stick 2 fingers up to both him and moyes.
cheers,
archwaygooner

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18 Jul 2013 14:45:33
I really am starting to worry never did with arsenal but now its worrying,
We seem to be lossing out on all top strikers rooney higuain suarez,
Rooney is defo chelsea whatever wenger may say that we can afford him
If you can then get him, there is no pt of suarez stories unless u are willing to pay 40 m to even speak to him.

The only realatic target maybe torress if we loose out on these, I don't know abt the midfield either intrest has dropped frm bender and fellani

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I have a feeling we will go in for gustavo since bayerns midfeild list is huge ad he wants playing time

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18 Jul 2013 16:24:59
Wenger needs to stop saying we can pay these big wages and attract world class players. He needs to actually just go and sign one

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18 Jul 2013 14:25:04
Metal gooner, Rodgers said that what we offered is £35m. He said that's not nearly enough. If they say he's not for sale, he's not for sale, unless they get a huge fee well above the £40m everyone keeps going on about. They can be as stubborn as they want. Suarez leaves for a huge fee, or he stays there. Simple. He won't be moving here. Fact. He either stays at liverpool or goes to madrid.

They offer better wages than what we are willing to offer anyway, even without champions league. Why do they need to get suarez off the wage bill?

You my friend, are utterly deluded.

Jason

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18 Jul 2013 14:21:04
Probably end up with Heskey the way things are going.

Jayjay

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Still better then current strikers. baring Giroud

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18 Jul 2013 13:29:12
With all the talk of us having missed out on Higuain I'm not convinced. Benitez is a big fan of Torres and if Rooney goes to Chelsea Torres could then end up at Napoli. The merry go round could then free up Higuain if Madrid really want Suarez and need the cash. This could still go on for a while I'm afraid.
Thoughts fellow gooners?

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The full striker Merri-go-round:

Done
Barca -> Neymar
Monaco -> Falcao
Athli -> Villa
Fiorentina -> Mario Gomez
PSG -> Cavani (in reponse to falcao)

Potentials
Napoli -> Torres
Chelsea -> Rooney
Man utd ->?
Real Madrid -> Suarez / Zlatan
Arsenal -> Higuain

This also doesn't include what man utd, liverpool do to replace players AND all of Man city's dealings.

what a silly world we live in.

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18 Jul 2013 13:20:15
just noticed on arsenal website that diaby is now #24 opening up the #2. this # has historically been a def player number. just thought i'd share. 1st time poster-long time follower

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That is a VERY interesting observation.

For me, a number 2 is a defensive signing. Let's hope we get one!

Kurt Zouma anyone?
Capoue still available!

Billybob

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Also- Hopefully when Santos goes we free up Number 11 for an attacker!

Billybob

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18 Jul 2013 13:06:11
Cisse not wearing the Newcastle shirt is a joke.

Newcastle pay his wages thru revenue streams which include drink, gaming etc etc etc.

He is happy to pick up his cheque but not wear the shirt

Fine him his wages and set the tone.

Newcastle are not disrespecting his religion nor asking him to condone their business.

What's next - Jack won't wear next years kit because he does not like cats or prefers Nike?

Just my frustration with modern day footballers.

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What dose this have to do with transfers and I don't see nothing wrong with it he will move to a club who has no alcohol or gambling sponsors actually we should give him credit for standing up {Ed001's Note - he spends most evenings in the casino!}

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Get a grip, his face in the shirt would activly be linked to the advertising.

its bad for his beliefs, so let him leave. {Ed001's Note - his beliefs which also prevent him from gambling or dating non-Muslim women, yet he spends a lot of time in the casino. Oh and his ex-girlfriend is a non-Muslim porn star and his current girlfriend is a non-Muslim. This is not about religious beliefs.}

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Theres a difference mate, he receives he's wages for playing football for the team, and has no input or connection with revenue generated from drinks, gaming etc.
and by wearing a shirt with a sponsor regarding gambling is promoting that sponsor, meaning he is assisting with the sales of that particular business, which is not allowed.
Waq

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Oh dam Ed has got the inside scoop! lol

very interesting, and the plot thickens.

Trinidad-Gooner

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When players dictate sponsorship deals and can boycott playing we are in a bad place

Put the shirt on as we are not asking him to lend money. Guess he is against mortgages also. He is being paid to play.

Don't like it - buy your contract out

Pathetic and if the above is true - double standards.

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18 Jul 2013 13:02:24
Anyone know why Bellerin and Yennaris weren't taken on tour? I'm sure Yennaris went last year.

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Apparently Bellerin is playing for Spain u19 and Yennaris picked up a small injury

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18 Jul 2013 12:30:29
question for everyone would you take dzeko for us always seemed to score when he played? santi ain't leaving cesc won't go to man u.

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I think too similar to Giroud. Not what we need. i'd like a chichorto, Higuain or even old gnasher suarez

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I'd take him in a shot, great scoring record

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I'd take Dzeko but he is too similar to Giroud.

Nick.

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By similar to Giroud, do u mean he is slow, can;t dribble and can't seem to be able to use his feet to score?

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18 Jul 2013 12:19:57
Understand Arsenal has lodged a £4 million bid for Remy, as well as informing QPR that the interest in Cesar has ended. A bid is ready for Williams from Swansea and Downing - Wenger is a long term fan of the winger - from Liverpool. Kondogbia is due to sign for the Gunners on 1st August. Cazorla is reported to be unsettled, which might account for the Athletico story. Fabregas and Felliani will go to Manchester United and Higuain deal is almost certainly off.

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Sadly this is believeable, its time to start thinking about "realistic" targets which means that are either cheap or unheard of.

Billybob (losing faith)

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You had me going until I read the,

"fabregas and fellaini will go to United"

no chance Fab4 chooses moyes over wenger (his father figure) and joins that traitor. they have the right name don't they? those Red Devils SMH

Trinidad-Gooner

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18 Jul 2013 11:59:07
Firstly, Carzola to AMFC is total bs, I red in the newspaper this morning that AFC already warned clubs off him because he's not available. Although, the paper didn't quote AFC as his source and I as well checked our website and nothing. That leaves me to believe that it is all Press work and nothing concrete.

Secondly, I still strongly believe in "Higuain to Arsenal", for a while now, after the tweet from his Agent, everything seems to go quiet from him (Agent). believe me, as lousy as his agent was, he would has said something about the deal, he is only being quiet about it because they have to respect arsenal ways of sealing deals.

Lastly, I think Arsene Wenger contract renewal speaks of someone who is working towards having a happy ending and leaves when the ovation is loud like other respected EPL Managers. Therefore, let us expect and hope for Positivity in this transfer window.

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18 Jul 2013 11:45:29
Soooooo Arsenal F. C miss out on another willing and able performer by penny pinching! I can confirm that we were only willing to go to 23.5mil and Real Madrid wanted 25.5mil and now Napoli have bid 27mil so we are f**ked. : (

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I don't think that's anywhere near the truth mate

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Yet all the reports say real Madrid want closer to 40mil.
higuain is a good player but no way is he worth anything more then 25mil, especially since he's unproven in the premier league.
Waq

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Arsenal are haggling over €3m about £1, 7m
CTR

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If real wanted 25 why have napoli offered 27? think its more a case of real constantly moving the goalposts rather than anything arsenal have done. imo we're blameless on this one.

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This is just Real trying to flog a player for the highest price

As soon as Cavani for 50m was mentioned, the price for Hig was always going to go up. Who was spreading the rumours about our interest - the parties who stand to gain the most and needed to communicate he was for sale and for a large figure

Don't blame AW and don't blame Real as its just business


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18 Jul 2013 11:33:36
Can I please ask, earlier this year we were all hearing about 'big change' at arsenal over the summer? please, what were these changes? have they happened and I was expecting something bigger than sir chips? or is it yet to happen? Or was it all false expectations? Bobby

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It's still early, let's wait and see mate, although I understand the anxiety I struggle with it all the time too! lol

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18 Jul 2013 11:27:48
Rogers: Suarez not for sale
Rogers: Suarez not for sale for less than £40m and even then we might not.
Ayre: Liverpool FC don't need the money for Suarez

Translation: Suarez is for sale, as much as we'd love for him to stay, but we can't say that as we'd put our fee at risk. He is also potentially for sale at less than £40m because we will end up having to accept the best offer, which looks to be coming from Arsenal rather than Madrid. £25m from Madrid? They can do one. Arsenal's offer is unlikely to be £40m but could rise to it. We certainly could do with the money for Suarez, because we'll need all the wages we can get in order to bring top players here when we don't have CL. '

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18 Jul 2013 14:43:42
Liverpool fc would take 30 mill plus alvaro moratta from real. and they would sell higuain to napoli.
You would be left bird watching.

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18 Jul 2013 11:21:45
'Real Madrid - no offers for Higuain. '

My degree in football speak tells me that really means is 'we had a solid offer from Arsenal that allowed them to agree terms with the player. But a player of his calibre deserves a bidding war. We pulled the plug, and this is our clear invitation for clubs to come forward with offers. '

Mourinho: 'Rooney or bust'
I used google translate to work this one out - it means 'we could and will go after another player, but we don't feel like being billed £10m more for players just because we're rich. So we're saying to United this is our offer, it's final, take our money or keep an unhappy striker. '

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Two thumbs up mate - excellent posts!

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Dont you just love the love the language managers and officials use to speak to us normal folk. Ita called Bull Sh!t, Wenger is a master at it.

Remember the time he told us about Nasri and Fabregas leaving by telling us they are not. Classic!

Or when any manager claims to have not seen "the incident" yet, which means that they do not want to admit their player was in the wrong or that they benefited from a harsh tackle or dubious decision.

Lwi

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18 Jul 2013 11:17:13
various thoughts about pretty much everything.

first, transfers. i'm losing hope about higuain, little by little. I think we should now make the 40m bid for suarez and hope for the best. napoli will drive the price for higuain up anyway and suarez is imo better of the two.

i think we are one defender short. although sagna can now cover both cb and rb (big fan of him as a cb here!). we should sign a cb. miquel isn't imo ready yet (if ever) so we should loan him preferably to a pl team to see if he can make the final step. I don't think williams is coming now that he's the captain of swansea, same for jagielka who i'd love to sign as well. but imo we need a younger cb, someone like 23-25. I was thinking about dragovic earlier but i'm not sure if he's quite up to it. I really don't know who we should sign but luckily I don't have to make that choice!

obviously we need a midfielder as well. should have signed one last year but I think this summer we'll finally get that strong, defensive midfielder. imo fellaini is perfect, would fit straight in with that technique, he's tall and strong and wants to play deeper than was played last season. he demands big money but i'm sure he'd be worth it.

then about yesterday's match. this zelalem kid really imoressed me. so young yet did very well in midfield. he has a very good, silky touch to the ball. don't know if he'll feature for the first team this season but definitely in the future. akpom was also great. imo he has a good football brain and also cool finishing. gnabry also did well but he lost the ball a couple times quite easily. a bit raw still. and finally ryo needs to improve but he had a difficult last season so i'm not giving up on him just yet! needs a good loan spell.

giroud is playing too well. soon wenger will think we don't need another striker as giroud can play every minute next season!

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18 Jul 2013 11:04:03
Olivier Giroud has scored 5 goals in 68 mins during our Asian tour.
Nearly as quick as 5 points taken off Ray Wilkins driving license.
#blowinthismrwilkins

It's a slow day
Flybo

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18 Jul 2013 11:02:46
I have been checking out this forum for a long time, and very much enjoy the different views. It has got to the point that I feel I have to contribute.
Latest interviews have been more hot air from Wenger talking about how we could afford Rooney. I don't particularly want Rooney and would have prefered Hig, but at the end of the day we are not going to get either are we?
Years of talk about financial fair play, selling our top players and promises are going nowhere. Other clubs improve, and we get worse.
I can see the season starting with some good results and fancy football and everyone will slip back into the "Wenger knows" attitude but when push comes to shove we are not good enough and not decisive enough to actually challenge.
How is this going to change? Simple answer is that it will not with Wenger in charge, the current board, and our fans attitudes and support.
I will always support the team, but I will not support the approach and policies of the club any longer.

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Sad but true. Fogey clique at the top,
overpaid manager (certainly last 7/8 years), Churchilian hand gesture to over patient fans and US majority owner who wouldn't know offside from his backside! Depressing days to come lads. We have good players, but not good enough to mix it with the Big Boys (Spenders).

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18 Jul 2013 10:43:53
Taken from the daily mail;
'There are some revenue streams before 2006 which will enable us to spend more on the transfer budget - receipt of land sales and some money from Granada Media. ' - managing director Keith Edelman, February 2004.

'There are sufficient funds available to the manager. ' - Edelman, September 2005.

'. the effect means we can spend more on transfers over the next 15 years. ' - Edelman, May 2006.

'If Arsene came to us and said he wanted to spend £40m on a player we could do that. ' - Edelman, Sept 2007.

'We remain firmly committed to substantial investment in the playing squad. ' - chairman Peter Hill-Wood, Sept 2008.

'We've got a substantial amount of money to invest. ' - chief executive Ivan Gazidis, Sept 2009.

'The club is secure - we have sufficient funds to invest. ' - Gazidis, May 2010.

'In January and in the summer there will be significant funds available to bolster the team. ' - Gazidis, Sept 2011.

'All the money we make is available to the manager. ' - Gazidis, May 2012.

'It's all about giving us the capability to go to the manager and say "here is the money for you to compete". ' - Gazidis, June 2013.

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I can't understand how anyone thinks it's going to be different this year.

Same babble out of the club every summer.

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I love this post. If this summer goes like all the rest there is going to be some pretty p*s*ed off fans. And when season tickets sell again this year there will be the normal "players wernt up to the callibre we need to improve this team".

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There you have it, lies.

We all know that we had to pay off the new stadium and as a result we will have to cut spending.

I'd rather them be direct and say
Look guys, we're paying off a new stadium, be patient and the resources will come.

Instead of building hopes up and then not delivering.

I understand that by saying we won't spend for a few years, it will deter fans from supporting Arsenal, but still, we don't need those sorts of fans.

I don't trust them anymore when it comes to transfer investment, it will be at least another 2-3 years before we start seeing some big money transfers.

Nick.

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18 Jul 2013 10:33:15
Patience.
Good things come to those who wait, so expect messi to sign in the final hours.

In all seriousness, judge the transfers when it's over.

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You don't have to wait until the ed of the race to realise that your horse is doing badly

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18 Jul 2013 10:26:18
The only reason we won't get GH is because Real Madrid keep f**king us about with the price it's not our fault this time! I truly believe we agreed a fee then they went and changed their mind and now they want over 30 mil it's a matter of principal plus if we are genuinely interested in Suarez and by some miracle we get him I couldn't give a s**t about higuain. I do find it funny though how people have said Rooney would be trouble but yet nothing about Suarez lol! Suarez is world class though! Personally I'd bite your arm off for him ;)


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18 Jul 2013 09:47:37
Fellow Gooners we must show some patience. If I am not incorrect we made 3 quality signings last season some fairly late in the window. Cazorla, Giroud & Podolski were great signings at relatively low transfer fees & affordable wages.
Wenger plays the transfer window like a poker player. Hence why we tend to sign players late in the window. This is for a few reasons. firstly, you avoid paying the new players wages for a couple of months which can save an enormous amount. A player on £100,000 a week, earns £866, 666 over the 2 month period. So if you save this amount on 3 singings its over £2.5m. Secondly, the big boys are financially able to make their signings early, which can take them out of the equation at the end of the window, as they have completed their purchases. Thirdly, at the end of the window, clubs tend to relent, rather than keep an unhappy player, so deals can be done and often other clubs can't react quickly enough at the end of the window to compete for the same player.
We hear lots of stories about players, but unless there are any unsuspected sales, we really only need a 4th CB, a defensive midfield player & a forward. We finished last season well and the new players settled in. Williams, Fellaini & Suarez would be my choices for these positions & would probably cost the £70m mentioned frequently. We could recoup some by selling Chamakh, Bendtner, Santos & possibly Gervinho, whom I am a bit undecided about. I would like to see more youngsters come through, but the ones on view in the friendlies, look a little way off yet. Possibly Gnabry may break through and I really like the look of Eisfeld. There were two or three other contenders, but they look a bit short physically for the demands of the Premier League.

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Good sensible post mate!

Willesden Gooner

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The only reason I wish this individual had signed off was so that I could congratulate him/her on one of the most sensible posts I have read on here for a very long time.
I am an advocate of holding your tongue until everything has happened, then at least any comment you make is based around sound knowledge of what has actually happened. It does amuse me that people rant on about 'this' and 'that' signing not happening and with this the apparent 'clip clop' of the apocalyptic horseman's horses hooves being heard, summoning our great club to the underworld of mid-table mediocrity. These are the very same people I have said before would be the last to be picked by me in a 5 a side team, as they throw in the towel after 10 minutes if you go a goal down. Another analogy I could use is that of the Spurs supporter, again spouting on about how they will finish above us with a third of the season to go. and look what happens.
So let's try and put some perspective on things shall we. Arsenal never divulge who they are talking to, and the press are often amongst the last to learn (about the same time the fans get wind. )
Let's all try and keep our frustrations under control and let time be the best mediator on whether we have had a good transfer window or not.
Not meant to be patronising in any way, I just get fed up hearing the same negative lines appearing here before the clock has finished ticking.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but only Cazorla was late in the window, and we more or less knew he was coming by late July/early August. Podolski was confirmed in like May, and even Giroud was before July started. I'd love nothing more to see some signings, but last year (disregarding the late sales), we did some good early business. But still, here's hoping.

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It is such a shame you did not leave your name, as it is a very very good post, highlighting reasons why we may indeed not sign so early, even if we as supporters want signings early so they get pre season in and used to playing with our existing players.

As for the youngsters it is the physically side and pace of game in the beginning that they do tend to struggle with as do the new signings.

Good post mate.

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You are a complete muppet in not understanding the transfer window strategy. If you wait till the end you lose out on the quality and are only able to bid in most part for second tier players, which is what Arsenal have only been able to afford of late. In the case of the signings last summer. Podoski was agreed well before the window even opened and Giroud very early.

If we want to play with the big boys, we need to start behaving like one!

The only reason we are still in the top four in the past years is because the we bought and school in the past 10 years have flourished but we have been forced to sell them due to Stan "I am so GREEDY" K runs the club as a pure business. Football is not pure business, there is much more at stake here!

I would not be surprised if there was an agreement between the Stan and Wenger stating that all money he saves in the transfer kitty they split 50/50.

What they do not realise is that they are running the club into the ground and once we are out of the CL, it will be extremely difficult to get back and more importantly, we do not have a sugar daddy as CFC and MC to buy any player!

I do agree those three signing woudl be great, a little split on Suarez versus Higuain. Suarez has more upside as he runs for ever and probably will score more goals but Higuain is a safer better.

Arsenal should have jumped out infront and signed these three from the start as we now see, we will maybe not sign anyone. Sanogo does not thrill me, maybe in 3-5yrs

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Well written piece but it don't make me feel any better.

We need some big name players to come in and give them club and fans a boost.

We need 3 players, either a GK, DM & ST or CB, DM & ST

We need to show the workd we are serious and not just a selling club who say the right things and them totally go against what's best for the club.

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Your logic only applies if there are an unlimited number of quality players available. If that was the case, fine wait until the last minute and pick up your quality player from a club that needed funds at a knockdown price. In the real world rather than fantasy football there is a limited supply of quality players and an even smaller number who are actually for sale. It is a bit like your kid wanting the latest toy at Xmas and you adopting the strategy of waiting until Dec 24th to pick one up at a discount, only whoops all the shops have sold out. In football transfers market forces apply - limited supply + high demand pushes up the prices but a players value does not equal thier worth. RVP at 24M is worth more to a side than Suarez at 40M but supply and demand takes over combined with remaining contract and the desire of the player and attitude of the club. This means players may be under or over valued depending on market forces, but the fact remains that a limited supply by its nature is limited the longer you wait the smaller the supply until you have waited too long and the supply has gone. Add the fact that as the supply dwindles if demand remains constant market forces drive the price up. Moral of this is if you want something in short supply buy early to get the best price and avoid dissapointment.

Jon

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18 Jul 2013 09:04:36
If Rooney does sign for Chelsea, which I think he will. Could Ba or Torres then be available. I would take either one of them, proven premiership goal scorers.

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I'd be very disappointed if we signed Torres

AG

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Ba is exactly like Giroud. Torres lacks pace now.

I still hope we will sign between target A / target B for each of the vacant position.

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18 Jul 2013 10:32:39
Did you just said Proven?
Better get Henry, he would still score 20 goals.

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Poor choice I would take suarez higuain then benteke

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'Proven Premiership goal scorers. ' Really? Ba scored 2 in 14 appearances for Chelsea and Torres has scored 15 in 82 appearances.

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I'd be very disappointed if we signed Ba

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I would too!

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18 Jul 2013 09:02:11
After watching the 2 warm up games. I truly think our squad is strong enough. We don't need to waste our money on any of these so called big names. We will come very close to winning the league this year. When I read some of our so called fans on here, I really do question whether you people know anything about football!

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Is this Wenger?
We have played two warm up games against very poor opposition. We look ok, but they are simply not good enough without additions. Has the last 9 years taught you nothing? If I have a problem it is "our so called fans" who are blind to what is going on and spout believe in Wenger, and we are good enough nonsense

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Ya because we were playing La Liga all stars and Bundesliga all stars get a grip mate pre season friendlies in Vietnam. Step into my office because your f#ckin fired
Ft280t

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Both games were against relatively weak opposition and were friendlies.
We need a 4th centre back, particularly as Vermaelen is out for 3 months. We need a defensive midfield player and a forward as an option/back up for Giroud.
If you fail to recognise the above then it is you who should question your football knowledge.

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Whilst results are unimportant, it's better than losing 1-0 to Thailand! The year we were unbeaten we beat Barnet 10-0 and a lot was made of that result at the time. our expectations are so high now we can't see any positives?
Scoring 7 goals in preseason when training hard is not easy against anyone plus we can see improvement from last year, plus the team will gain confidence.

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And I suppose you know more than Wenger?
Oh sorry u don't.

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Ft280t liking the something about Mary ref.

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Don't be foolish. We can't win the league when we don't beat united, city, Chelsea and struggle to beat spurs and Liverpool twice which we should be doing.

Signings are needed.

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It's got to Ivan/ Stan on this post. are you serious! We needed to rebuild this squad 3years ago but failed to do so. no incoming players = 5/6 place behind the spurs or Liverpool. is this what we want? I don't think so.

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" I really do question whether you people know anything about football!"

Absolute classic last line to your post!
Have you any idea of the standard of teams we have played?

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Oh dear, I worry when people are unable to seperate playing against a bunch of part timers in meaningless money making preseason exhibition games, and actually competing in the league. Our squad has absolutely no depth, and precious little in the way of world class players. We know the money is available to improve things, and not doing so would be disasterous

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Lol absurd. We had great run in to the end of last season but how many big teams did we play in that time? and then look to see how many points we took off top 4 other teams in league. cause it wasn't many. Our squad is not good enough to win the league, its strong enough to scrape into the Champions league positions. But we shouldn't be scrapping into them, we should be hammering everyone and challenging for honours

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I'm not saying that I don't want signings but I really like our squad so I'd rather we were successful with this squad than with other players costing a lot more, and I think we could be.

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You seem to have forgotton to sign off Mr Gazidis.

Smudge

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18 Jul 2013 08:59:13
Wenger has stated fabregas wants another year at barca to sea how things go for him, but we have a buy back clause in his contract so we will be interested if that is triggered. I thing wenger knows what is going on with fab because i'm sure they are very close. so do one you mancs.

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Whilst I agree, say arsena ldont get champs league due to lack of investment in this window would cesc then come back. it would be a serious test of his faith

dave

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18 Jul 2013 08:57:26
Quote from David villa once he signed for atletico madrid, 'I was supposed to go to England as a few clubs were interested but then atletico came in and did in 4 days what the English clubs took months to do'. Why do English clubs (more to the point. arsenal) dilly dally about with trying to sign players?

Island Gooner

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Athletico paid the price & the wages for Villa on the back of selling Falcao to Monaco.
As for us, once we were unable to sign Villa last january, it appears that our interest dropped due to his age, injury history & cost.
As for Tottenham, they have to drive a hard bargain due to their financial position. They generally run with a £70m deficit and with the new stadium progressing they will encounter similar problems to those we encountered.

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This is why we are messing this up. again. last day nerves anyone.

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He was talking about spuds!

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18 Jul 2013 08:37:43
Hi Gooners


yesterday Mr. AW said "we r not close to signing anyone "! if this true, this is really bad for Arsenal Fc.
he can bid 40 million for suarez but not for higuain (34 million, will save 6 million). No one knows what AW is upto. looking at his body language yesterday it seems he is not trying or is not interested in signing any players. he also said "the problem is not the money but there r very few top class players in Europe. " You know guys where it is going. in the winter window he said the same words. everyone expected him to sign atleast one player but at the end of the day he said his usual crap and signed zero players.

This time if he misses on higuain, it will be tragedy

2) higuan ( now he has slipped away from AW. he will definitely join Napoli for sure and he himself said at the start of the window Napoli has a special club for any Argentine football player. AW you r ****. )

we need another manager now. change is required. I am sick of AW saying day in day out the same crap everyday. my vote goes to "Klop" or "Frank de boer" Arsene for god sake buy players who are actually top class.

Ed one more thing what if we r not able to sell Bentdner or loan him, will it effect our transfer business for striker. his wages r very high. this higuain deal stalled almost the same time when Bentdner deal stalled. what do u think. also where is chamakh going?

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Don't need a new manager. Wenger is the right man for the job they're trying to sign players, be patient please.

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Higuain was offered to Chelsea apparently and they refused. Its not like loads of clubs are interested (City, PSG, Monaco, Utd, Chelsea, Dortmund - no interest). I've not seen enough but is he really that good and is he really worth over £25m? Is he really that much better than Pod?

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Monreal was signed in January! Remember him, 8 mil on a very decent left back. Ricky the sg

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18 Jul 2013 08:30:41
The spectacular signing that Wenger is talking of is the return of Cesc. He will be bought back for £25m after the team return from tour! The club believe that him signing will get the fans back on side after missing out on all other targets! Personally, I can't see how we can accomodate so many attacking midfielders, so maybe the Cazorla rumours are true!

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For the sake of all things holy:

fabregas is not going anywhere

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Forget about Cesc please. He loves Barcelona more than arsenal. And he really really loves arsenal.

He's not leaving

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I would imagine that if Fabregas were to go anywhere it would be a London club, as I believe his partner & his child will be living in London. hence either us or Chelsea.

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18 Jul 2013 08:23:53
So it looks as if we are set for another summer of frustration and paper talk surrounding our club. Usmanov should finally oust Silent Stan, give the war chest he has promised to Arsene Wenger and do some shopping with David Dein. We have not truly competed with the top clubs on or off the pitch since Deins departure.

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What if Silent Stan actually gave this rumoured "war chest", and its our deal breakers who can't pull through?
Im not defending Stan, but how do we know if it is not down to the management/Financial team?

Lwi

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Wengers already GOT money to spend, and is incapable of doing so either because of his personal philosopy or the ineptitude of our negotiaiting skills. While I would welcome an Usmanov takeover, Wenger has to go - he's been given years to change and clearly is so entrenched and outdated in his views and management style that he can't change.

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18 Jul 2013 07:55:38
Liverpool Fan in Peace.

Napoli president has admitted that they are in negotiation over Higuain and if that happens. Liverpool will not have any problems in selling suarez to Madrid with a player alvaro moratta coming the other way.

I just wanted to know which are the other arsenal target?.

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Mr. Bean.

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No idea mate.

Looks like we have missed out on both if this is true

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In all likelihood probably no names from France. and kids again. no one is sure anymore who we will sign. and no one on this site has been right about players we will sign "in next 2 weeks". although plenty have tried to suggest they know.
I agree Suarez is set up nicely to go to Madrid and you will pick up a pretty penny for it too.

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18 Jul 2013 10:32:02
With all respect to Wnger and your team. Lat two seaosns it was a struggle for arsenal to reach CL. and that's the only thing which kept the fans patient inspite of a single trophy in 8 years.

But the way other teams are building, Its going to be a long long summer ahead for the Gunners.

If arsenal is waiting for liverpool to see Suarez who still has 3 years left in his contract. then probably it would drag till Madrid comes with player + cash offer.

I mean I belive and see Gonzalo Higuain 25 is worth 25 mill on any day. if a fat rooney is worth 30 mill.

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18 Jul 2013 07:26:59
When does the team return from the tour?

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18 Jul 2013 04:09:22
Just a suggestion.

We move Sagna to CB, Leaving us with 4 good CB's: TV5, PM4, LK6 and BS3.

And buy a new right back instead of a new centre back?

Preferably an experienced one, to avoid ruining Jenkinsons development.

Thoughts?

Nick. {Ed027's Note - I was suppose to post about the defensive situation, Miquel will probably be our 4th choice Cb, cover for Vermalen for the next 2 months will be Sagna, Bellerin will also be playing in the cup games

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I would keep Sagna & extend his deal. We then have two decent right backs & 2 decent left backs. We have 3 decent centre backs, so the sole defensive signing should be a 4th centre back.

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18 Jul 2013 08:36:05
I think buying a RB would stunt Jenkinsons growth as a player. He proved he is more than capable of playing first choice, infact I would say he has the edge over Sagna due to better consistency and determination.

What we need is a new 4th Choice CB. Kos and Mert are a solid pairing and Verm is still a top CB. But Miquel isn't good enough. We are 2-3 injuries at the back away from a crisis. Dragovic or Zouma would be perfect.

Detroit Gooner

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I mostly agree but I'd rather we buy a new CB that's young and better than Miquel (who I don't think will make it I'm afraid, but maybe a loan will be a better indicator), someone like Nastasic (not him as he's at City), Zouma, Papadopopopolas at Schalke etc.

That way we have 2 good RBs, 2 good LBs, 3 experienced CBs and a young CB and also Sagna who can cover.

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Miquel is good enough watch him. He came from Barca too

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18 Jul 2013 02:51:29
This is more a rant then anything
Arsenal fans calling for Wenger to be out are either deliuted or just dumb, Wenger can't click his fingers and go want that player and that player make it happen, yes we lost players yes we haven't replaced key position, yes it's 8yrs without silverware, but if you haven't noticed we been paying off a stadium so we can financially better off, we don't have a sugar daddy who we can spend like crazy without Wenger we'd probably be sitting 7th or 8th and in debt, OMG we make champions leagues every year. yeah we were promised signings but we can only do so much we can't force someone to come if they don't want too, I wear my badge proudly and I support the man whose been in charge since 96' I've cried and laughed but I tell you now Wenger does what nobody see that's why his is the best coach for Arsenal.

Oh best laugh in ages Cesc will never go to Man Utd. Not even for the Purse Strings. And if you forgot he said himself 2 clubs he'd only play for Barca and Arsenal. Manchester United are dreaming.

P. S Don't worry I'll be waiting for the backlash if I know anything as Arsenal fan - we either love each other to support or turn back our backs on each other and rip shreds into us.
UpsideDown Gooner

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I agree that it is difficult to sign quality players. However, sometimes you have to push the boat out to make such signings.
As for Fabregas, of course he would sign for United. he was disloyal to us, being our captain with 3 years left on his deal he engineered a move. He left Barca as a 15 year old, showing similar disloyalty. I believe he was found out at Barca. He has great technique, but a lack of pace, separates him from the greats. Personally, I wouldn't want him bak, as we have both Cazorla & Wilshere who are better. The ideal midfield signing would be Fellaini, adding height & power to our midfield. Up front Suarez would be perfect. Defensively Williams would be a good signing. Keeper-wise I would like Begovic, but if not Szczesny & Fabianski with young Martinez would be adequate.

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18 Jul 2013 01:45:25
Hello Eds and fellow Gooners! I've been planning on getting two more Arsenal jerseys and I was looking for some opinions for who I should get. It would much appreciated! For the home jersey I plan on getting Wilshere. For the new away kit I'm not too sure yet. I was leaning towards Walcott, but Oxlade, Koscielny, and Podolski interest me as well. What do you guys think? Any input helps! Haha thanks! {Ed027's Note - I'm kind of waiting for a new signing :)

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Got Ramsey last year I think I will get him again this year and maybe jenkinson :). Away kit is awesome too

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I don't have names on mine. I support the Arsenal, not a specific player.

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18 Jul 2013 00:49:20
Going purely on assumptions and by what I read in the press.

Higuain asking price has sky rocketed.
Rooney looks like he might end up at Chelsea.
Jovetic is gone to Man City
Suarez in my opinion is highly unlikely to happen.
Ibra is 30 or beyond and I rather doubt Wenger would make a move for him.

WHAT OTHER MARQUEE STRIKERS ARE WE LEFT WITH THAT ARE OPEN TO A MOVE?

I guess we might end up with someone like Benteke or the likes, given that we do look like wanting to spend money but there are now an array of teams who have ridiculous amounts to throw and a lot of players seem happy taking the money than playing for CL clubs. As if the likes of Real, Barca and Chelsea were already not bad enough. we now have city, monaco, psg ruining it for everybody.

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Soldado
Lewandowski
Damiao
El-Sharaawy
Benteke


In no particular order. All would improve us.

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Like those are the only decent strikers around? i'm not for one minute saying we will sign any of the following players but it is possible that if a right offer comes in the respective clubs would sell the:

Robert Lewandowski
Marco Reus
Kun Aguero
Thomas Muller
Karim Benzema
Stephen El Shaaraway
Ezequiel Lavezzi
Edin Dzeko

Whould you be unhappy with any one of these?

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We might get Lavezzi or Dzeko (neither of which I'd be that excited about) but not the rest. We'd either have to pay way over the odds or they wouldn't want to come to us.

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I'd have Dzeko, Wenger is a fan. He's a great finisher, we create enough chances

Paul

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Wenger was too cheap to cough up for Dzeko long before he went to Man City (when he could have got him for arround 10-13 million), he'd be a lot more than that now, and Wenger again wouldn't cough up

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I have said all along that I think Dzeko will end up in an Arsenal jersey. Wenger wanted to sign him, but City out bid us. He would be deadly up front!

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18 Jul 2013 00:08:14
i have a gut feeling that wenger will unveil new signings ready for the emirates cup, I really do hope wenger has secured the big names he wanted because we really need to up the anty and join the elite again. arsenal should be challenging for honours not scraping champions league places. with two or three quality additions to our talented mix of youth and experience we can challenge.
I think we missed the boat on higuain, rooney will be too expensive, with negredo going to citeh I think we may be back in for jovetic, no one has made a move for fellaini, so we have a chance and cesar will hopefully come and not go on loan to Napoli.
but with wenger he will always go for someone that nobody expected, he loves to play the cat and mouse game with fans and the media, the cards are still close to his chest, hopefully they are aces and not jokers like santos and squillaci!

the squad looks good you can't complain with 14 goals in 2 games even if the opposition were sh**e!
giroud took his goals well, the ox looks classy in the centre, good to see jack back, the youngsters especially gnabry akpom and eisfeld look good enough to stake a claim in the first team/squad. the emirates cup will be a tougher challenge, we still need that defensive mid rockpin that will hold the team together and protect the defence, when Vietnam scored it was the old story of being caught on the break straight through the middle.

onwards and upwards come on you gunners

Hulk Hogunner

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You Sir have the BEST name on this site!

Churchill Gooner

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18 Jul 2013 09:02:00
Talking of the Emirates cup, maybe Higuain is waiting to see who the better team is between us and Napoli before he decides, LOL.

Estepona gooner

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18 Jul 2013 00:00:37
Looks like Chelsea want mata to go ed any intrest from arsenal {Ed027's Note - I've not heard this, but I expect Arsenal to be interested, that is a cert

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Thishas been denied by Chelsea. Probably Man U trying to stir things up, probably hoping Barcelona will go after Mata and release Fabregas.

Dream on united

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17 Jul 2013 23:54:31
Eds if Real madrid wanna buy Suarez than why haven't thy do so already or atleast put in a bid? {Ed027's Note - maybe they are putting together a bid?

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17 Jul 2013 23:52:15
Anyone think cisse would be worth a punt would get him on the cheap and is a good goal scorer

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No thanks

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17 Jul 2013 23:36:05
Eds do u think Arsenal r plannin to win somethin (Champions league/Premier league) this year?
Nam-gooner {Ed027's Note - you can't plan to win anything

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Or u could target it, main objective. {Ed027's Note - the main poster is trying to say we never wanted to win anything for the past 8 years, which is bs

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17 Jul 2013 23:24:59
This could be the worst transfer window ever for arsenal we appear to be struggling to obtain any of our top targets, whereas it is being widely reported cesc is going to be a united player by next week united chief ex flying back to finalise the deal, higuain is now Napoli top target, rooney will be going to Chelsea jose basically said they will do anything to get him, and to top it off our best player is being linked with a transfer back to spain.

just wish our manager would give us a little bit of good news on strengthening the squad not a lot of waffle we hear every year.
if we don't sign anyone I hope we play the promising reserve players regularly and try and improve through bringing on the youth players.

sorry for the negativity but surely we knew most of last year we needed a dm a top striker, gk and c/b cover get the ball rolling and get the transfer wrapped up.

ty. 1

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Cesc won't go to United!

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18 Jul 2013 09:06:04
Why is he flying back to finalise a move for Cesc, negativity always. He may well be coming back to finalise a move for rooney, think positive and just maybe we get what we want?

Estepona gooner

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17 Jul 2013 23:14:28
Please cesc no, please please please. show us the love and don't join the mancs, I can't handle any more of the deceit.

Noely

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If that did happen, I would go out of my way to find a religion, just so I could stop going to that place of worship through loss of faith.
Flybo

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17 Jul 2013 23:12:37
So, the search for a striker continues. Well, it never really ended. But had it even started. It seems as if it had with the Suarez story, but I cannot see us signing him. I still really hope we get Higuain - a good age, class player and would compliment Giroud well. But we need it done ASAP. What's everyone else's opinion on Higuain? Will it happen, would you prefer him to Suarez (I would), who's fault is it that it hasn't already happened?

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It's easy to bash the club but I feel very bad for Wenger regarding Higuain. Just looking at everything from a distance, the clues seem nailed on that we had agreed a deal with Madrid for Higuain, and we'd agreed terms with him, and he was happy.

I tweeted Raph Honigstein from ESPN and asked him this, and he confirmed this was the case.

That night the sun wrote the story for the next morning - Arsenal smash transfer record on Higuain.

We had agreed to!

But someone at Madrid thought twice. Now the price is nearly double. I think Napoli will have to pay nearly £40m for him. I love Higuain, but for that money, it's Suarez or nobody.

I feel bad for Wenger, I have no doubts he was patting himself on the back for this one. I was so excited, I love Higuain.

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I was talking to a friend who watches Spanish football and he reckons Higuain is good but not great and thought was definitely not worth £25m, more like £20m max. I've not seen enough of him but is he really that much better than Podolski who is a similar player? (who wasnt fit last season and still looked pretty good being played out of position on LW)

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17 Jul 2013 23:11:52
Good luck to Meade at Swansea shame really. I liked him the few times I seen him thought he a future with us

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Hope he has a good career.
But not "Why the f**k did we let him go" good career.
It sounds pathetic because it is.
Flybo

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17 Jul 2013 22:47:58
Alright lads

I have posted on an odd occasion before under Project Arsenel, but have decided to change name since have signed up and got a lovely blue box.

So what do we reckon then, Sagna to be our 4th option for centre back this season?
I think it could happen, it gives Jenkinson more game time over the season, Wenger likes a versatile man, and it saves wages. Plus he has had two solid games there, one being a real test away at Sunderland where we had to dig in for the 3 points.

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Love the name
Flybo

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It's a move I'd be happy with, because he is a top CB in all honesty, he defends like his life depends on it when he's played there. It's time for Jenko, he knows that, and I think we could see some really good rotation and covering that means the players are kept happy, kept involved but also kept fit. Jenko rotating with Sagna, and Sagna rotating with CBs is cool for me.

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17 Jul 2013 22:35:50
I keep thinking we must be up to something. anything in the market. Wenger and the board must know the implications of another balls up. we cannot go into next season with the squad we have now, we will struggle again. goals in the far east can't cover up our soft middle and lack of firepower up front, no signings = 5/6 place, spurs and Liverpool finishing above us angry fans and waste of our amazingly talented youngsters. they above anything else need leaders, mentors, and the best talent we can get to help bring them on.
I would also like our old players to be brought in, players like Henry, Dennis, who really could take over when needed,. also can you clowns. you know who you are please stop saying we are going to sign a medical for b. when it happens we will all know.

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