Arsenal Banter Archive June 18 2015

18 Jun 2015 22:13:27
Wow! Our club is so huge that we have decided to spread our joy and happiness amongst the lesser clubs, you must be feel very privileged, please no thanks required. Our pleasure!

18 Jun 2015 23:27:52
Are you leahy12's responsible adult can you take him back to the hospital please.

Like always Brendan United v gunners just like the good old days.

Let's hope that we both can become the biggest clubs in our own city's again. Naff been in the cold ain't it! But we have at least got used to it and bought coats and hot water bottles. You will catch on soon . No point trying to look cool in shorts and a t-shirt when it's freezing out there brrrrr xx

18 Jun 2015 23:36:10
It's an education :)

Mind u I would also point out this is probably the only page on here that has people that can take it, and give it back, all in good (even though fiery) spirits.

👍

19 Jun 2015 08:40:04
Brow we are the biggest clubs in our cities pal, well United are anyway, and I do consider Arsenal a bigger club than Chelsea, even if they have won a bit more lately, with their billion pound loan. No matter what City do, they will never be a bigger club than United, making their stadium bigger when they can't fill the one have for 90% of games is a joke, gives me a laugh every time I drive past it tbh. They have stupidly rich owners, but these owners can get bored very easily, no matter what money they have ploughed in, as to them it is peanuts anyway. United and Arsenal are still the biggest clubs and we've had money taken out of our clubs over recent years, for different reasons.

19 Jun 2015 09:12:35
I ain't ever going to defend City or chelsea mate. It's something we can both agree on. They ain't real clubs city were a yo yo team and chelsea were like villa or Everton . Both clubs will have to learn to stand on their own two feet

18 Jun 2015 21:30:31
Another United fan here,I'm just wandering after we catching ye last year with welbeck,would ye be interested in taking rvp back cause I think we are finished with him now.now before ye start lads I know he left ye to win the premiership,now that he has that medal he might go back to ye.

18 Jun 2015 23:10:05
Are you from hornblower leahy? Or are ye from pirates of the Caribbean. Do they even play football on your ship. Because one doth not understand ye olde language. Where is do fray youngth dos ye cometh ear offen.

CTR come and take this lubber back to your page he has obviously escaped and his career has gone awol. I hope old Trafford isn't full of these mate

18 Jun 2015 23:16:52
Dont embarrass yourself on our page manc... U sold us a young english international player for a small fee who will only get better and better in a team like ours and probably end up knocking your arse out the FA Cup,, all so Louis Van Frankenstein can bring Falcao in on 265 g's a week lolol and then dump him on the bench... Yeah silly us lolol... Actually why don't u just sign an injury ravaged 29 year old dutch player off us lolol... Or you could appoint David Moyes as Fergies replacement...

18 Jun 2015 23:19:35
It's also amazing how you could catch anyone or anything wandering maybe a cold perhaps .

In all seriousness you going to bring up welbeck did you know what happened at old Trafford in fa cup or were you to busy raking round bins that night?

Oh lamb to the slaughter and after the good war your more literate and relevant fellow fans today that has just made my day.

Like the welbeck goal ... A complete gift

Thank you xx

18 Jun 2015 23:35:21
Bangarang honestly brilliant mate. I have a picture in my head of what type of United fan he is. I'm really lmao like really. I had to go for a walk after reading that and find the nearest lake and just chuck myself in.

19 Jun 2015 00:19:28
Browngun or brogun,relax I'm joking,Tis only a bit of banter.

18 Jun 2015 23:22:47
wow top banter skills. 10/10 for originality.

if ye 2nd best team in manchester offeth us rvp and 50 billion farthings we at arsenal who smoketh the good stuff giveth you a one pound discount. you can buyeth a candy bar from ze poundland.

18 Jun 2015 23:44:12
Wow are u 2 really that mentally fried after today that you are now even trying tell Leahy Welbeck was a good purchase and not a total waste of 16m?

I've seen it all now, u bought a clumsy striker who's second touch is a chest.

Is there anything u won't believe!

19 Jun 2015 01:54:37
Oh I was relaxed. It was superb banter my favourite bit in as long as I can remember. Please keep posting . If I see a post like that every day It will make me so happy 👍

19 Jun 2015 08:02:50
CTR I wasn't trying to convince anyone of welbeck. But as a United fan it would be the last thing I would bring up! Airing our dirty laundry an all. But 16 mil for that goal at OT. Some would say that is value for money

19 Jun 2015 09:08:14
I don't get this about we will be the biggest clubs in our city's,the thing is ye are the second biggest club in London and we are the biggest club in England ,we are just taking a rest,the cream always rises to the top

19 Jun 2015 10:52:26
That didn't supprise me that you didn't get it. And pay attention to what post you reply too. Because that isn't in the post above. With time and a gentle hand on your shoulder you will soon be up to speed.

19 Jun 2015 12:34:44
16 million Welbeck got you a goal at Old Trafford, 20 million on RVP Manchester United a title. Now that was value for money....

19 Jun 2015 12:38:22
Just thought I'd bring it up again just for you

18 Jun 2015 19:11:03
Almost definitely just wishful thinking, but with Arsenal goalkeeping coach Tony Roberts strongly linked with a move to Swansea, could this be opening up space for Christophe Lollichon who is the Chelsea goalkeeping coach and reportedly close friend of Cech.

18 Jun 2015 17:25:39
Well it's a bit like Poland 1939 over here now. Plump the pillows up make the beds and put the kettle on we have guests!

I have decided and it is only early days but we have another breed on the horizon like the Liverpool fans of old.

God I fondly remember the early nineties there was a new team in town the mighty Manchester United and there were bang on it.

The Liverpool fans were saying you haven't won anything for years your a nobody club! And of course the United fans laughed and laughed hard! And they had every right to do so because they knew and everybody else knew the team was United.

The years past bye and every passing year the boring Liverpool fans played the same monotonous tune..

Lala la la

So here we are united have won nothing for two years. Who cares that ain't that long ago it's not 8 years like the arsenal

But this is the start of the cold spell it was only 2 years 6 years ago for us pah who cares. I just remember how hard the United fans used to laugh at that old Liverpool tune.

But that tune is back and United fans are whistling it now loud and clear

Toot toot

18 Jun 2015 18:01:30
Duuude
Why are you so vexed man? Be cool n chill.
:-)

18 Jun 2015 18:11:35
Mate, most of us are not whistling that tune as we are only too aware of it following the demise of the scousers.

There are 2 separate points here which some of you are missing.

1. United are rebuilding and so far haven't done a great job. Most United fans were not delighted with last year and think we underachieved given the investment that was made. The spending will go on, the Manager will have a full pre-season, hopefully we won't have the injury epidemic we had last year and here's the important bit, hopefully we will progress. I don't think we believe we will challenge for the league next year (I don't) and it will take time to rebuild what had become an old and underperforming squad. The difference to Liverpool is that like it or not, finances now play a huge part and we will not be short of money.

2. Turning to you boys, the feeling elsewhere is that your goal is to finish top 4 and that equals success. No Manager would have lasted at City, United or Arsenal for 8 years not winning a trophy. But fair play and well done, you've overtaken our FA Cup record and played some great stuff. But can you take that next step and win the League? I like your club and your team but I'm not convinced that AW still has it (I like him too). SAF possibly went on too long and I fear Arsene may have done so as well. HoneyBadger was spot on, some ruthlessness might help you take that final step.

18 Jun 2015 18:29:35
I can't remember when u last won the league, can u remind me please mate?

I really don't understand these types of posts, anyone would think u have achieved something spectacular in order to be making these kind of statements brow.

18 Jun 2015 18:30:30
Wow! 2 FA Cups in 10 years and you are talking like you have won every trophy available in that time! Within the next 8 years we WILL have won more than 2 trophies, if not I won't be on places like this giving it large.

18 Jun 2015 19:26:11
That's what I mean giving it large it's early days. Get your team back Upto scratch then come back with nice big grapefruits.

18 Jun 2015 20:23:40
Two fa cups in 2 years. The other eight were rubbish. We have won two cups in two years get it right. Plus charity shield, put that in your pipe and smoke it. Look out we are after your fourth place trophy.

18 Jun 2015 20:39:57
We won't win a league while jm is down the road he's too clever for wenger and man u won't win the league while vain goule is in charge, he too ain't clever enough. It man citys and chelskis at least for a couple of years, untilwe both get different managers.

18 Jun 2015 20:42:39
I do think we have more of a sqeeak in the champs league, because of our squad and the best teams don't always win that, lucky ones do sometimes. With a fair wind and a bent ref, who knows.

18 Jun 2015 21:01:00
Steve, an Arsenal fan talking sense, whatever next??

18 Jun 2015 21:05:21
"Who cares that ain't that long ago it's not 8 years like the arsenal"

With that attitude no wonder its been so long since you won the league 😉 you need to be more ruthless as a club and stop with the excuses!

18 Jun 2015 21:19:02
Ajh, point 2 is unfair! We all know there are plenty of excuses, sorry valid reasons, for why Arsenal went 8 years without a trophy 😉

18 Jun 2015 21:47:20
That comment was as if I was a United fan. It's like two years is no big deal to you it's not as if like us who waited 8 years. Moving on to the point that in 6 seasons time you could have gone throught 8 years pot less. Which all in all is hypocritical but I was simply suggesting how long do United go pot less before you think it's valid for us to have a pop. Like when I remember all united fans giving it to the scousers in early 90s for been a few seasons potless. And look what happened Liverpool in the wild for decades.

It is just a response to the overwhelming dig United fans make about our decade in the cold. Let's talk about now and how it is now. Digging over the past it's cheep and easy

18 Jun 2015 16:26:56
The funniest part in the below Banter i read that Clubs want our 2 english players to fullfil thier homegrown quota, i thought utd fans were a dumb level, but this is a whole different level. And how much ever they would deny it they would take ozil from us anyday in that uncreative midfield of thiers.

18 Jun 2015 17:01:30
Wouldn't take Ozil, we've already got a creative number 10 who doesn't track back in Mata thanks.

18 Jun 2015 17:06:01
Well said Hood

18 Jun 2015 17:09:38
I can assure u 100% we would not take Ozil hood. That's no banter at all mate, the bloke can be a waste of a team place most of the time.

So u think Chelsea and city want two of your most injury prone English players to do what exactly, play?

No my friend it's about time u woke up.

City bought Rodwell and Sinclair why? Because it fills that home grown rule nicely until they have the youth come through.

18 Jun 2015 17:17:10
Well said Rosie more like 😃

Evening malaga!

18 Jun 2015 18:01:08
Hey honey,

what's wrong with your own page

All we want is Sydney to have a Tea party

18 Jun 2015 18:01:47
I wouldn't count your chickens CTR I'm sure Malaga said u were signing ozil

18 Jun 2015 18:32:34
I know brow, I can imagine hood thought he has stumbled across something very profound in starting that thread, then unfortunately for him Malaga agreed and all credibility went out the window

18 Jun 2015 20:03:57
So as per your logic Rodwell and Sinclair are in the same caliber of wilshire and wallcott? Lol nice dream u are in. btw city have the problem of english players i don't think so chelsea do.

18 Jun 2015 20:43:58
Oh my days hood! Re read my post and try and get the point fella, it's really not that hard!

No rodwell and Sinclair are no where near as good, I 100% agree.

18 Jun 2015 21:23:13
Malaga its far more fun on here today! A little day out for us United boys. Hows dags btw, still tied up in your basement? 😊

18 Jun 2015 08:55:24
Hey Eds,

Have we moved closer to signing any of our targets, Cech, Schneiderlin, Martinez or whoever were looking at

{Ed002's Note - I am not giving blow-by-blow accounts.}

18 Jun 2015 14:03:24
Evening lads.

I see the banter is heating up between United and Arsenal again! I predict that to continue into next season with gusto.

Before I get stuck right in I should say (because I've not been on recently) congrats on the good run in the league since Jan and another fa cup, a positive step for you guys. I have to also admit your squad looks better and more balanced than it has in years although some work is needed on the spine if you truly want to compete for major honours.

Now that's out of the way, let the banter begin! Or continue...

18 Jun 2015 14:45:02
Hey HB,

Good to see you back and thanks mate. Now get stuck in. :-)

I don't think Chris is taking the voice of reason to well mate. Understandable having been out front for so long.

I said during the season it's a big window for us and Mr Wenger needs to be all over it, we know we need additions and consistency.

The biggest plus now is the fact we actually defend and that is born from a number of things on the pitch but also I think from the acquisition of Shad Forsythe.

Our work rate has gone up another level, most noticibly in Santi Cazorla for me outside of the obvious Mr Sanchez.

I think another thing as United fans is you suffer from your fantastic winning streak, in who can say there were things wrong when there wasn't. That has now changed. I say it from the outside in and I would genuinely be gutted if your squad was ours.

The winning streak came to an abrupt end and it's impossible to say you weren't left with a poor squad a poor replacement as a manager and again didn't use the transfer windows wisely. It was definitely panic mode.

I genuinely believe for your buck you have made little improvement and for a club with your wealth and at the time attractiveness with Fergie at the helm, you have let it slip more than you really like to admit.

We have to surpass City and Chelsea to win the league, they are the two clubs ahead of us. They will both strengthen and no team with Hart, Kompany, Silva, Toure and Aguero is going to lay back and be walked over again.

I do truly look at your squad and question above the obvious 5 or 6 as to who is good enough.

18 Jun 2015 15:02:56
Nothing more pointless then banter before the transfers have even started! Can't help ourselves can we. All banter aside I do quite like Arsenal...their fans however....

18 Jun 2015 15:19:52
Oh i'm going to love it like kevin kegan loved it. United fans crowing so early. there's the small thing of champions league qualification first for the mighty united, and there's some tasty teams they could draw also with new seeding rules they will draw a far more difficult group if they do get there.

They just need to know that we are believers not dreamers.

they need to change old traford to the theater of make believe

for now we are sitting pretty

18 Jun 2015 15:35:51
Red Dog

I see where you are coming from but a couple of season's ago you lot wanted rid of Ramsey, he was getting dog's abuse on here. You have others that have grown in the last 18 months and started to hit consistent form; Jack can't get in the team can he? So who knows, our players might settle. If Shaw is fit he will be like a new player, Hererra is class, we need to promote some of the U21s (who have won their league) and sign 3 quality players (poss 4 if DDG leaves)

I think you have a chance next year but need a top quality goal scorer and to steer clear of injuries. As for us, I'm not sure another 4 or 5 signings will help us settle quickly so I think most United fans are looking for progress, better football, and progression in all the cups.

The worry for both of us is the amount of money Chelsea and City are going to spend. Let's hope they spend it badly...

18 Jun 2015 15:58:07
Our (Uniteds) squad doesn't have great balance at the minute, but out of the Arsenal squad, I would only take Chamberlain (if he is ever fit), Ramsey and Sanchez, to improve us, as there are better players than the rest elsewhere. You can wear your Arsenal blinkers if you want, but you are as far from City and Chelsea as we are, quality of squad wise. It is a huge summer for us both, but if I was a gambling man, I would back LVG to pull off a better transfer window than AW, from many years of past experience.

Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer if we both had a good summer and overtook Chelsea and City, with you guys runners up to us next season. You are by far the lesser of 3 evils, and I like the football you play.

18 Jun 2015 16:09:36
Hi AJH,

Have to say I wasn't one of those that wanted Ramsey out and it's turned out really well for him and us.

I said earlier beating City and Chelsea is the aim and I'm just genuinely thinking we are closer.

I don't dislike Herrera but at the same time with the money and midfielders you were linked with it was almost a step back. He is at the back of a long queue to play for his Country.

I do like Shaw and have said so but he needs to stay injury free and get a run to see how well he copes with being at a big club. Bellerin has grabbed his chance and I really like the look of him.

I just feel you have been left with a lot of players that if wearing an Arsenal shirt we would be the ones getting the dogs abuse.

Yes money is a huge factor and we'd all love buckets of it but it's easy to waste it, Di Maria and Mangala look at this time to be cases in point, as was Torres to Chelsea.

18 Jun 2015 16:10:34
I'm genuinely happy for you Browgun, but the day I am smug at finishing 3rd in the league I think I'll give up on football or become an Arsenal fan. Pretty embarrassing comment pal. We have plenty of work to do, but I expect us to challenge next season, 3rd will be a failure, but at least it would mean you get your 4th place fight with Spurs again eh?

18 Jun 2015 15:20:59
Anyone other than Red Dog and the other guy care to weigh in? Dags about? Anyone with half a brain can understand that football pivots on money and for that reason alone we aren't going anywhere.

18 Jun 2015 16:15:19
Did I miss something in my own post lol? I don't remember 'crowing' in it but hey you must have read between the lines 😊

Red dog, all this talk about better players, better squads is great but as it stands you were 3rd us 4th hardly a big margin. This is the point ctr makes well - yet United are 'miles off' and Arsenal are 'almost the finished package'. Go figure!

Browgun, we do have work to do to get into the ecl. Will you manage to get past the 2nd round this season?

18 Jun 2015 16:17:33
I'm with Ajh Arsenal have a chance but need to be ruthless for a change. Top striker to improve on Giroud, competition for Coq and an improvement in goal. Over to Arsene and the board!

18 Jun 2015 16:48:19
Picking out average players from our squad only gets you so far. I'll admit we have a few right now but we look to rebuild.

We had many so called average players when we were winning titles. How many titles do Brown and O'shea have?

Its a results business and being so happy with 3rd as Brendan says - despite this awesome squad you have - is where Arsenal is currently at. Talk of being in a better position to challenge Chelsea/City is little more than that, talk.

18 Jun 2015 17:12:38
Its all talk HB mate, it can't be disproved at this moment in time so they are happy to bang that drum, next year will be exactly the same mark my words. Arsenal will squeeze into the top 4 in the back of a decent run and the cycle continues.

18 Jun 2015 17:48:52
Guys,

I genuinely love the fact that when we were fourth with a squad full of average players whilst United, City and Chelsea filled the top 3 slots, that we were no hopers. Now you occupy 4th spot it's only natural that you will again win the title imminently. That you will challenge and as Chris said, show us how to conquer Europe.

But we also now have money, City have money, Chelsea have money and you now believe because you will have lots you will have first pick of all the best players and above anyone they will come to you.

You have always had money and still you've neglected your squad.

Why did you buy Fellaini, Mata and Herrera when you were talking of players of the calibre of Vidal last season.

Van Gaal has to sell them a vision not get them simply because of the amount of money you offered.

Di Maria and Falcao actually wanted PSG. But it was lots of your lovely money that swayed it and did they improved you one iota. Did or do they really want to be there.

Like Benzema's agent said, "what is he going to do in Manchester"

So talk of yourselves challenging for the title again is little more than talk.

18 Jun 2015 17:49:26
Not as embarrassing as wanting us to finish above city and Chelsea and still have a fourth place battle with Spurs.

Please keep it consistent Brendan hey! It was only ten minutes between posts. What you having for tea tonight have you decided yet

18 Jun 2015 17:58:19
HB,

When you had those players you also had numerous world class players in their prime, that is why you won trophies, you don't have those class of players now.

Your first team consists of a lot of pretty average players barring the 5 I mentioned.

That is THE massive difference. ;-)

18 Jun 2015 18:36:54
Brow, you need to learn to read properly pal, I said I'd 'prefer' you to finish above Chelsea and City and behind us, then in the next post I said 'If' we finished 3rd it would be a failure, but would mean you'd get your 4th place battle back. Not hard if you actually read it!

18 Jun 2015 21:38:15
Red dog,

Some things i agree with
1) we are unlikely to win the league next season
2) we have spent some of our funds very poorly

I still think we have a very good chance of winning the title again before Arsenal though. Not sure I can see Wenger pulling it off tbh.

18 Jun 2015 11:11:07
Chris,

Firstly loving Rosie's reference to jealousy, this is simple banter, zero reason to feel jealously, we both support great clubs but you visit to advise us of your deemed short comings of our team. I am doing no more than the same to you. I know the truth hurts you guys but your all grown up now.

You are kind of living in a dream world though mate, you used to look at us finishing fourth and point out all the crap in our team outside of a select few that we used to end up selling and you're now in that position. It's like you're trying to convince yourself we are a spent force, that we'll never win the League again.

You're doing what you slated us so often for doing, assuming you're going to challenge for the title with so much mediocrity within your squad. Talking about the points difference like you used to point out we did. You probably referred to it as denial mate.

De Gea is likely to go, some of your own fans would be happy to sell Mata, Rooney and Di Maria, you are trying to big up Herrera and Carrick neither of whom would get in ours Chelsea or City's first team. Herrera is your upgrade on Cleverley. Lol.

Yes you can buy this window, who knows what quality you'll pick up, will all or just some be better than those in the top 3 squads. I have little doubt that the top 3 as of now without additions have much better squads than you. Only a fool would deny it. Is Depay better than Sanchez or Hazard, I'm thinking not.

It's like I said, we regularly finished fourth and you would scoff at the fact we could possibly overhaul you now you want us to believe that very same story. The reality of it is, why would you be here trying to blow our candle out if it wasn't for the fact yours was just a gentle trickle of smoke. ;-)

You picked out Ozil, Giroud and Wilshere the latter because of his injuries, Ozil is head and shoulders above any United midfield player, Wilshere was crocked by the talented McNair and is currently not making our starting 11 and Giroud, well we all love Giroud but he is not an Aguero or a Costa but happened to score more than Rooney, RVP or Falcao. Lol.

You analysis of Coquelin was to be honest somewhat embarrassing, he like Bellerin has emerged into our team and done a fantastic job, world class no, would we all like another DM, yes, will Coquelin go on to bigger and better things, who knows but 6 months in he is doing great. That would seem like jealousy, I know Blind plays like he is but Van Gaal likes him.

Who emerged from within at United this season, oh like I said that'll be Young and Fellaini then. Lol.

Your banter in the main mate is copy cat, not to say it doesn't make me laugh or that I don't welcome you here but you are doing what Stoner and Mr Wallace did to you, picking on the bits from the more negative posters then highlighting it as if it's all doom and gloom over here. I was born at night fella but it wasn't last night.:-)

Money does not guarantee you anything mate and you actually believe we are deluded over here. ;-)

18 Jun 2015 11:40:36
Great post Red dog, some great points and a bit of food for thought for ol ctr.

I have to say though, I do feel Depay is a quality signing and has all the tools to be one of the best players in world football.

18 Jun 2015 11:55:44
Here's the long and short of it!

Wenger knew that United had lots of self generated money. When wenger came he knew he had to build what United had. So he started building and we won some titles and cups, went all season unbeaten and never failed to qualify for champions league which was the backbone of our plan!

Now not going on about the past just explaining the start of wengers plan for all the short sighted.

Then came 2 unexpected factors wenger couldn't have planned for.
1. Abramhovic
2. Arabs at City

So we had to batten the hatches. Put our heads down and arses up. Sell players to these clubs for daft money. People thought wenger had lost it (short sighted people)

But here we are the gloves are off and it's different now to how it was. United have to buy and buy correctly and then gel. They are miles away.

Fergie left because it was getting to hot in the kitchen. So he left on a high!

Without fergie at United they would be no where near the greatest english teams of all time.. But without wenger in this new climate we would be only a top ten team.

United fans are giddy with excitement because last year they know they massively over achieved. But maybe it was the stroke of luck they needed.

So red dog let's look up not down (at United)
And Chris please please keep looking up (at arsenal) and don't ever look below because you will scare yourself to death!

18 Jun 2015 12:14:52
Not jealous Red Dog - Envy. You should be envious of our success. It's a good thing to want to be the most successful. I am envious of Madrid's European success. Nothing wrong with wanting to be on top. I am envious of your FA cup this year, I don't however let my envy cloud my judgement as I would suggest you do.

From your post below - Carrick and Cazorla/Fabregas play entirely different positions and are entirely different players, ignore the 'formation' MOTD are showing you and actually watch the game.

I have no idea why you seem to think so poorly of Herrera he is a really good player; finds space very well, tackles decent, passes well and has an eye for goal.

I don't think Ozil is a bad player at all, I would suggest he hasn't shown the same effort for you he showed at Madrid (not dissimilar to Di Maria for us this year) but he has a good footballing brain.

I'm well aware of the holes in our squad, thankfully we are financially rich (as all the most successful teams worldwide are) and I don't doubt that we will address these. We are in the middle of rebuilding, this window is the last part in LVG's 3 window plan as suggested by Ed002 last summer.

As for the holes in your squad? Striker seems the most obvious. A better goalkeeper is needed and I personally think it would be smart to sign another DM to compete with Coq, not because he is bad but because its rare that young players maintain the class he showed half of last year and also he plays in a position that is prone to injury due to the physical nature.

Do I think we are miles behind you? No not really. We were split down the middle head to head and you finished 5 points ahead of us. Slim margins.

Finally your last comment, 'money doesn't guarantee anything' - Unfortunately it does. As long as we remain as financially rich as we are we will be there or there abouts. That's just how football is. It's naive to suggest otherwise. Peace.

18 Jun 2015 13:22:02
My analysis of coqulian? I don't believe I have given one mate.

I slated ure boys for being happy every season finishing 4th and now u seemingly have evolved from that to be happy competing for 3rd lol.

Our boys have had one season out of the top 4 and one season finishing below 3rd. U can hardly draw any comparisons to each other.

I admire u keep pushing this I guess it's sort of like therapy to u. If u can keep denying your clubs failings u don't have to accept them.

I have stated a few times Bellerin looks quality and how jenkinson and Debuchey May find it hard to get back in the team for a few seasons.

Like I said it's the naivety of u thinking u have turned a huge corner that amuses me mate. U go on about how many of our players would get into your team but I wonder how many if yours would get into city or Chelsea team too, now that is food for thought.
Considering u are (according to u) near the end of the cycle of settling for 4th.

Tbh all this is just words atm the proof will he next season and then we can really get into how wrong u are :)

18 Jun 2015 13:24:32
Rosie,

There are times when people harp on about the past, how we had Henry, Bergkamp etc whilst you had Keane, Scholes and so on.

9 years later and no money we had none of those players, 9 years and with plenty of money you now don't have those players.

No Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Neville, Scholes, Giggs etc replacements, why not, because you didn't buy when you needed to or you bought players like Smalling, Zaha and Jones who haven't lived up to the hype along with other players like Fellaini and Blind.

We have had money for two years and our team has made definitive progress, where is your progress, where truly have you improved on what was a squad dragged to the title by RVP in 2012. You to most outside of United have just been treading water. So what up to now has all that money got you. Who is naive?

Wasn't a lad called Robins responsible for a huge change in your fortunes but the purchase of Sanchez and the emergence of Coquelin along with the new found defensive ethos is going to count for nothing to us, we are going to return, as Chris hopes, to an Arsenal of old. Hmmm.

Consistency is our key, we have a new belief in the team buoyed by back to back FA Cup wins. All the players are talking about challenging for the title. I'm certain we will be up there. I'm far from certain you will be.

You don't seem to even have a style of play yet and to pretty much everyone not even a genuine first team worthy of the name Manchester United.

As you say Ed02 told you it would take 3 windows but having made a hash of the last two how many more will it be. You are pretty much giving away unwanted players as no one else really wants them. Wasn't Cleverley at one time the next big thing?

As for Carrick does he not play in front of your back four as Cazorla and Fabregas do along side Coquelin and Matic. Does he not offer the protection they do as well as move the ball forward because from watching that is what they all do, or does Carrick have some other role I'm missing.

As for Herrera I'm not doubting his ability but like Carrick would either of them get in ours City or Chelsea's team, my opinion is a simple no as for us it would be a step backwards. Does Ramsey not offer so much more.

Finally why would you consider my judgement to be clouded and yours not. I see the pieces missing for us and have said on numerous occasions I'd like to see another DM, would love Cech and Lacazette.

I think that you are United that you believe by virtue of your name that you cannot be that far behind us. I listed numerous players, at least a dozen or more that would not get in any of the top three squads. If you can look at your squad and tell me different I will be amazed.

Like I said you expect obviously as Chris does that we for whatever reason will not come again where as for you despite the shortcomings you don't want to see, its imminent.

Spot on again Browgun :-)

18 Jun 2015 14:11:25
Red dog,

Some good points but you underrate Carrick and Herrera, not surprising as they aren't particularly fashionable but it does show a slight lack of understanding. Carrick, for example, would be perfect for City to allow the likes of Yaya to go forward, they don't have anyone of worth in that position. Not sure you fully understand his role/position from reading your comments.

Ctr keeping up the banter as usual 😃

Have to say Redrosie is speaking a lot of sense imo.

Hope you guys aren't getting too excited at 3rd and 5 points ahead of a United in re-build mode. It's a big step up to 1st and until you reach that point all this talk of Wengers master plan/10 year plan lol is getting ahead of yourselves.

18 Jun 2015 14:15:16
No Chris we haven't turned the corner but we are turning it.
If we didn't behave like we have over the past years with the addition to city and Chelsea to the fray, we would have sank. And if you can't see that it's different for us now then your daft. A superb well run club and yeah Chris the proof of the pudding and all that!

I know deep down you know and all this is a battle of the wits and I don't expect to see a towel flying over your shoulder.

Eyes on the prize United eyes on the prize

18 Jun 2015 14:27:39
Still side stepping in full defensive mode now Chris and is it City that want Wilshere and Chelsea that want Chamberlain and some of your guys who would love Ramsey.

Maybe those names were misspelt and they meant Young and Fellaini. ;-)

It's not words Chris, it's banter fella, you know the stuff you love, you need to stay cool fella, you're getting just a little uptight again. ;-)

When you say next year, are you telling me, next year is going to be your year. Because that's what it sounds like from here. Lol. ;-)

18 Jun 2015 14:52:29
Well at least we are making some ground on the Carrick point. Coquelin and Matic are a little bit closer to Carrick, again Cazorla and Fabregas are completely different players.

I wasn't comparing Herrera to anyone, just think he is a good player and you were keen to compare him to Cleverly which is just nonsense.

It's not really about what players would get into what who's team. It's about what you do with those players. We finished 4th 5 points behind you with the players that wouldn't get near your squad, what does that say about your team? Tiny margins.

I believe we aren't far behind you because like it or lump it we literally weren't far behind you, not because we are Manchester United and have some god given right! Where has the money gotten us? Well last year we finished 8th..we bought some players in that are apparently rubbish in your terms and we finished 4th. Now remind me is 4th better than 8th? As 4th place experts surely you should know?

Anyway we are going to have to agree to disagree. If we go 9 years without a trophy as we are at the end of our empire then I will be back to eat all the humble pie there ever was. But we won't because we can afford not to.

18 Jun 2015 15:30:05
Ahhh dog there's only one person proclaiming next year will be there year in this argument. I've said we will finish higher than u.

Are u really that blind to see why Chelsea and city wants two English players of yours?
Two players that spend more time on the treatment table than on the pitch, two players that wouldn't kick up a stink about playing time because of those injuries, two players that will help fulfil the honegrown quota nicely.

Blimey mate I thought I could educate u on the top clubs workings but it's obvious to me that u have not been one for so long u can't accept the reality of them.

That's fine mate, your right, your team is amazing lol your going to storm the league next year.

Getting less points than last season definitely means ure on the up. A DM who was not considered good enough for Charlton is the new Veira, Giroud is striker every team wants, Kos is wanted by every top team(I'm sure Wenger is fighting off the offers as we speak), Gibbs will not be injured next year and will finally fulfil his best LB in the league tag u all painted him with at the beginning of last season.

*snap* And your awake.

Like I have said mate if course I take this all as good banter I love it when we lock horns like this, it amuses me greatly, it's like talking to a spurs fan (joke), I especially enjoy the input from your groupies to like the perfect goal etc.

Money can't buy everything your right. How much did Ozil and Sanchez cost? :)

All good fun fella.

18 Jun 2015 15:35:51
Rosie,

If you have but two players, pending De Gea staying, that would get into our first team, none that would get in Chelsea's first team and again few in Cities then if that isn't telling something about the quality in your squad I've no idea what is.

Tottenham finished 6 points behind you, how much better do you believe your squad is than theirs, just a little bit more than tiny.?

18 Jun 2015 16:11:22
Currently our squad is a bit better than Spurs, not leaps and bounds better, but a bit better. The league table as always doesn't lie.

Here's a nice example for you - Atletico madrid won the Spanish league last year, how many of their players would get into the Real squad? or the Barca squad? Now do you see how your comparison is flawed. Its called the Premier League not the 'Which players would get in your team league', it is by far the best barometer for measuring a teams current ability. I'm not really sure what else I can say its like playing tennis with a brick wall.

18 Jun 2015 16:23:34
Well this is fun isn't it?

Browgun, thanks for the history lesson lol. I particularly like the bit about "2 unexpected factors wenger couldn't have planned for". Just sounds like excuses mate, the kind that Saf would never have hid behind. Justifying years without success sounds a bit soft to me.

Now that period is over apparently but it will only truly be over when you are champions of England or Europe, 2nd or 3rd might be an improvement but it should only be a stepping stone to 1st. Will you make Tha final step?

18 Jun 2015 16:30:33
Redrosie,

Red dog has made some valid points but he really has got himself in a tangle with his poor analysis of Carrick and Herrera hasn't he? Quite funny to see who he compares Carrick to and even funnier to see him try to pass Herrera off as the next Cleverly.

I particularly like this bit of your post RR "I believe we aren't far behind you because like it or lump it we literally weren't far behind you" thought that pretty much explains the situation lol. For all the talk of better squads and flashier players its 1 league position and 5 points. Yeh, massive gap there!

18 Jun 2015 16:40:46
Red dog their tails are up they have had a better season than the year before and the way they started the last campaign they are over the moon with the way it all panned out even got CL football (phew) with their new kit sponsor that would have been a big dent.

So that been said the great Manchester United are back bigger and badder than ever screeching from the top of their lungs!

They a circling and swooping looking for the next hurdle and they spot the Arsenal and they are going to grab us shake us and then dispatch us then city and then chelsea.

It's right around the corner for them how could it not be history suggests that.., no no demands that like great Manchester teams of the old like the Phoenix from the flames (no I'm not been sick) will rightfully sit on top of the pedestal again..

I heard the same waffle from Liverpool fans in the early 90's

Let's just see and I mean that from our perspective as well

Much love always

18 Jun 2015 16:44:59
I know Rosie but I was thinking about pushing string.

When you go on the United web page and click on the players link, does it truly fill you full of glee or do you think jeez we need to upgrade a load of these.

Where will your depth be when you buy Otamendi, Schweinstieger, Firmino and Hummels.

Who will be your game changers then, Fellaini and Young.

Your squad simply doesn't add up.

18 Jun 2015 16:47:51
Come on Rosie mate, arsenal have just finished 3rd with less points than last season, are u really telling me the title is not a formality now?

Tell her reddog.

Ain't Narnia great this time of the year :)

18 Jun 2015 17:06:04
May as well pack it in for next year no point in watching, Arsenal have it wrapped up. Oh well here's hoping we can challenge the mighty champions in 2017.

18 Jun 2015 17:21:36
I could spend the whole thread on a argument I feel I can't lose dog, I can't predict the future but I can assess the past and make a opinion on what I think will happen again.

U are constantly talking about the future being this and that when the cold facts are u have AGAIN done what u do every season! A strong run at some point followed by optimism.

It's a cycle that has been repeated over and over.

United are at the beginning of a transition, sure we probably wasted a year with Moyes making us start again but this start has seen us finish a massive 5 points behind u, a team according to u ready for the big time.

18 Jun 2015 18:10:55
Is transition the buzz word round old Trafford well you have me sold!

When can we properly start riding you after 3,4,5,6,7,8 years without a trophy let's stay in the present hey and as it stands now we are the better team

18 Jun 2015 18:59:19
But as of yet brow it's not 8-7-6-5-4 or even 3 years mate.

U see after all this debating at last u have managed to understand it (even if u don't know it still) it's all talk!

U are talking as if u have now got the team to compete at the elite level I say u have not (neither can be proved as of yet) u say we won't win again for many years I say ure wrong (neither can be proved as of yet).

So what are we left with? Well we are left with the facts, the fact is we finished over 15 points behind u under moyes, that gap closed with us making up more points this season than under moyes last season resulting in us getting 4th and nearly pinching 3rd off u.

Another fact is u have failed to make up any more points and again put together just a good enough run to get u into top 4.

Those can't be disproved can they? The future who knows (I have my opinions based on the facts) u have yours based on hope.

As Rosie said the fact is we are not far behind u with THESE current players we have, why? Because we didn't finish to far behind u this season. Another fact.

U hope United don't get it together, why, because u will again become irrelevant.

On our page on a normal day u won't see arsenal mentioned, yet over here u can't get past 3 or 4 posts most days without seeing United talked about.

There's a name for this, it's called an inferior complex.

U see without knowing it u have now proved me right, I'm sure u will not be ready yet to throw in the towel just yet but u have now contradicted yourself a bit to much imo.

After all this we have finally got there at last! All your opinions are based on HOPE all mine are based on the previous facts.

I may be proved wrong but I'd rather base my thoughts on facts and results rather than hope (there's a reason why in horse racing there's a favourite and rank outsider). Your backing the 25/1 shot in hope it wins because it showed a bit of promise the last time out against the big boys whereas I'm backing the huge 2/1 favourite because he has previous form.


Yet I'm the delusional one. Hmmm

18 Jun 2015 22:05:07
It's nothing like horse racing and gambling with money. If I was to put my own coin on it mate I would back chelsea as would you. I have never said we will win anything more unless we buy a good spine. Look anywhere I have only sugested we are moving forward maybe not as fast as a club like United could tolerate. And I'm also suggesting that we will finish above you next year. That if we are to use the current form guide as it stands now is us and if I was to bet on a two horse race between us I'd put it on United

19 Jun 2015 00:06:11
So how exactly are u moving forward then?!

If u would bet on Chelsea and city finishing above u.
And if it came down to a two horse race between United and yourselves ure money would be on us,doesn't that put u believing ure 4th at best!?

That would mean ure getting worse wouldn't it?

18 Jun 2015 08:12:24
Gents,

A question for you all, the Captain.

Who should it be, can Arteta stay in the role, will he and Mertesacker play regularly enough next season or do we need to look for a new one.

Much as I like Arteta I think to play him with any regularity next season will be a step backwards.

I know Cazorla has filled in when both Mertesacker and Arteta were out, so would he be the choice.

18 Jun 2015 08:58:38
For me its Sanchez simply because of the effect he's had already on team mates, our work rate is unrecognisable from recent years since he arrived.
The language thing doesn't really matter because look what he's done for the whole clubs attitude without the armband and rewarding him with the captaincy would just reaffirm to all the new required standard of effort needed to wear the shirt.

18 Jun 2015 09:03:07
For me it would have to be Kos or Ramsey, it needs to be someone who is on the team sheet if they are fit and someone who would grow and not be hindered from that role. ( I know Sanchez is always picked if fit but let's not distract him from winning us games)

Ramsey is Capitan for Wales so sure he could and would step up to that role. Plus he is young enough to give us a stable captain for years to come.

18 Jun 2015 09:59:48
Arteta has been a great Captain all be it off the field. He was the captain that ended the trophy doubt and followed it up the following season with another. Credit where credit is due. The captain is more important off the field than on it. You need 11 captains on the pitch. If he stays he will remain captain and Mert the number 2. Stability and consistency has been a huge weapon in our armoury for a while now :-)

18 Jun 2015 10:05:45
Kos for me mate

18 Jun 2015 11:45:51
It is a difficult one and do people see like Davros says, as Arteta as our club captain but a different one on the pitch. He does do a lot off field which I think has contributed a lot to our team unity.

Pre season and how Gabriel comes on will also tell how much game time Mertesacker gets next season.

I'm not certain about Ramsey only because I want him to concentrate on his own game.