Arsenal Banter Archive May 18 2017

 

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18 May 2017 22:08:31
I'm just wondering would we not put an offer in for Nathan Ake from Chelsea, I consider him a good defender and only young too.

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18 May 2017 22:43:42
Can't see Chelsea looking to sell him personally.

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19 May 2017 00:06:37
What do you think they will use a third party G62 😂.

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19 May 2017 06:57:42
Superb player, although we have some decent CB's and I can't see Chelsea selling him to us.

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19 May 2017 08:00:12
:-) Sanogo, yes mate I think it's highly likely they will put either up for auction at Sotheby's or in Right moves window mate :-)

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19 May 2017 08:58:54
Lol g62.

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19 May 2017 10:36:23
Why wouldn't Chelsea sell Ake to Arsenal, they sold Cech to you.

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18 May 2017 21:53:53
Its the raver coming through in his famous Subaru, well boys that's how you win on Thursday nights, I was just disappointed we didn't get 7 lol I see the new, Alan shearer of English football has put the golden boot tucked away yet again and to the disappointment of Alexis Sanchez. I was watching the match in my y fronts and slippers but bugger it I'm now putting on the suit to head off to Stringfellows to let my hair down.

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18 May 2017 22:14:24
Kane will bring the glory days back to old trafford sooner or later. Deadly he is. One of our own ha.

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18 May 2017 22:59:58
He is good like.

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18 May 2017 23:06:18
He's absolute top quality.

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{Ed007's Note - Nice to see you Arsenal fans finally start to appreciate The Raver*}

*POTY 2016/17

18 May 2017 23:12:53
kane is excellent. Best english striker in a long long time. His finishing is top class. I bet he will end up at real madrid probably.

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{Ed007's Note - I used to say to say the same about Gary Hooper mate.}

18 May 2017 23:32:09
Lol Ed007,
I was talking about Kane.
Raver's a door knob 😋.

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{Ed007's Note - You're just jealous of Him.}

19 May 2017 00:08:22
Both decent lads ed! If we can't sign raver in the summer il settle for Kane.

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19 May 2017 09:33:10
SLB, the only way we'll sign raver is if we can sell on Gunnerbod.

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19 May 2017 09:42:19
I really like Raver, but it's the Subaru that worrys me. it's so dated now I imagine he has an 8 track in it a Beta max video player at home and plays on a Sega Mega drive.

That's without picturing him in flairs and a multi coloured tank top. :-)

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19 May 2017 16:49:21
I think it's not as pretty as that stoner . It's a sad dad car. Think more along the lines of been mid thirtys hair line back to the crown and wearing an old ellesie track top, wrangler jeans and some addidas gazelle speeding up in second past bus stops full of jail bait leaving school whilst the window is down and Darren styles blasting out the window because said sad case still thinks that 16 year old girls like happy hardcore when in fact if he pulled over and watched what the 16 girls like Is the kebab shop worker in his mid twenty s driving a blacked out all black ten year old BMW 3 series.

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18 May 2017 19:38:09
I think the new rule on diving or simulation as they like a to call it that is coming in next season is brilliant and long over due, retrospective bans is definitely the way to get managers to discourage rather than encourage trying to contact the refs.

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18 May 2017 19:54:08
That should have read con the ref not contact the ref :-)

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18 May 2017 23:43:25
The FA will only take retrospective action if a penalty is awarded (or a player sent off) .

Technically, a player can dive, win a penalty and win 3 points.
Than, retrospectively get a 2 match ban.

So, especially if he's not a regular first team player, the cheater still prospers.

Controversial, but if it's a blatant dive, than the player should get a 2 match ban and the offending club should be deducted 2 points.

I appreciate sometimes the "dive" can look 50/ 50, but retrospective action will only apply if the board, made up of an ex official, ex manager and an ex player, unanimously decide it's a dive.

For me, just banning the player is not enough, you need to sanction the club too.

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19 May 2017 08:12:16
Yes Dags I wouldn't be against clubs being docked points as well as the player missing games.
Maybe 1 point deduction for the first time 2 for the second and so on.
Most diving does take place in and around the box but I do think it should be extended to cover cases like Sanchez v Leicester.
It can only be good for the game to stop the play acting mate.

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18 May 2017 13:58:11
Ed001 appears to have lost his Customer Service skills. I'm just glad I don't have to contact him about a problem with my Gas bill; I value my head too much to put it where he may suggest.

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{Ed001's Note - what are you wittering on about? You aren't a customer, no one here gets charged a penny, none of you are customers.}

18 May 2017 16:39:52
You should be happy you don't have to contact anyone about your gas bill. I imagine it will be pretty high judging how much is coming out of your mouth.

These guys take time to answer our questions. Be grateful they bother. There is no need to be a dick about how or when they reply.

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18 May 2017 18:41:14
As far as I can see it people who visit this site get an awesome service and it's free of charge. The Eds are great and ed01 especially is one of the most objective eds on here. I am on my third profile on here and now realise that the site is more important than bitching on with biased opinion. I know it's been a tough year for us goons and I know that it's hard to take but in relation to what this is all about Rg is continually making excuses instead of accepting the reality. It's simple don't like it don't use it! No one has a gun to your head and it isn't Royston vasey.

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18 May 2017 19:00:14
OMG Sanogo, I knew all along you were Edward Tubby Tattsyrup! 😱😂😂.

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18 May 2017 19:39:55
Where did red dog go to btw? Miss the guy tbh.

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18 May 2017 20:05:31
Red dog is in China for the Yulin festival.

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18 May 2017 23:01:15
Not my ed01 stoner I won't have it lol.

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19 May 2017 00:10:13
I would like to think of myself as a bit more of an oscar lomax from psychoville stoner . He's also from Yorkshire and collects beanie baby's.

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18 May 2017 12:42:40
Well, it appears Wenger is willing to change his approach to the game by adding a little twist to his tactics or formation. This, he should have earlier when things weren't working the old fashioned way but then he did after he was pushed harder. I never doubted the quality players we have as they could have played to their best ability and florished under another manager. All that was needed was the right system to fit them into. I just hope this new found system wouldn't be abandoned and the desire to alter or try new ideas wouldn't disappear. That being said, would you have Wenger sign a one-year extension provided he is willing to try new ideas? yes?

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18 May 2017 19:14:48
No, he's a manager not a coach that can change tactics, not his style.

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18 May 2017 12:37:43
Well, it appears Wenger is willing to change his approach to the game by adding a little twist to his tactics or formation. This, he should have earlier when things weren't working the old fashion way but then he did after he was pushed harder. I never doubted the players we have as they could have played to their best ability and florish under another manager. All that was needed was the right system to fit them into. I just hope this new system wouldn't be abandoned and the desire to alter or try new ideas wouldn't disappear. That being said, would you have Wenger sign a one-year extension? yes?

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18 May 2017 13:27:11
These are the same players he has had for the past several years. Why has it taken him until now to decide what the best formation is.

All he has done is copied a system from Chelsea that proved to work for them. Spurs then followed suit and it worked for them too. So what we are now saying is that whoever leads; Wenger will follow.

NO, I would not have Wenger sign any extension, not even one for his house.

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18 May 2017 10:32:32
Where do you all feel we will end up in the Premier League next season?
Personally I feel that at the moment it's looking like next season has GOT to be a season of drastic changes.

But with no CL football it's going to be hard to attract any World Class players let alone keep hold of the ones we have. Maybe! we should just put out our less experienced teams in the Europa Cup get knocked out early on and concentrate on the Premier League.

I've got a horrible gut feeling we are going to be mid table next year until the club finds its level again and probably the only way for the club to move forward is for the shares to drop and then maybe the board will put their hands in their pockets.

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18 May 2017 11:15:12
I think if we can hold this team together and get them motivated properly we can fight for the title. We have a good team with good depth.
Also we should play a youth side in the Europa.

And I do think that keeping hold of mesut and alexi May well show the level of ambition we have and a player with enough years left might take a chance on us. Maybe moratta or lacazette, who knows!

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18 May 2017 15:09:22
My guess is next seasons top 4 will be Chelsea City Utd and Spurs not necessarily in that order of course.
Ourselves Liverpool and Everton will fight over the europa league places depending on how many are many are available due to who wins the cups
Pep and Jose have to deliver top 4 and Spurs and Chelsea will have too much for the rest.

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18 May 2017 19:16:40
No top four while better coaches are at the top six clubs.

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18 May 2017 06:40:58
The protests against Wenger have been shameful. Yes, he frustrates us fans at times, but overall his record has been excellent. Over the last 4 seasons we have appeared in 3 FA Cup finals and have won two and have a chance of picking up a third win if we managed to beat Chelsea at Wembley. In all likelyhood we will miss out on a top four finish by a single point. When you consider we are in the most competitive league world football and have to compete against some of the wealthiest clubs, his record has been tremendous. I still have a hunch that he will turn up at PSG as they have failed to win the French league and went out of the CL, depsite taking a good lead into the 2nd leg against Barca. It' will take an exceptional manager to replace him. Don't forget even Guardiola has won nothing this season. In effect this season we should finish with more points than last season and have reached the FA cup final. One season in the EL isn't the end of the world and we have already signed a quality LB and we have a mature Szczesny to come back. If we can somehow sort out the contracts of OX, Ozil and Sanchez or at least replace them with suitable players, then we have a lot to look forward to, particularly as we have the new formation, which gives us greater defensive security. A new manager won't necessarily guarantee any better.

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{Ed001's Note - most competitive league in world football? Have you seen the gap between 7th and the rest? That is not very competitive. Also I think Ligue 2 would argue that the fact they are entering the final day of the season with 6 (yes I did say six) teams who can win the league makes that the most competitive.}

18 May 2017 07:51:26
It's a good point ed! You only have to look at the championship as well another competitive league.

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{Ed001's Note - good point, another league that is many times more competitive than the Prem.}

18 May 2017 08:13:00
Of course it's the most competitive league Ed -
Last 5 seasons;
Premier League - 4 different teams have won the title
Spain - 3 different teams
Italy - 1 team Juventus
Germany - 1 team Bayern Munich

Last season Leicester won the PL and the toot finished second this season, so even smaller teams can compete. We will start next season with the possibility of 5 or 6 teams in contention to win the league, whereas two of the top European leagues have had the same team winning the league for at least 5 seasons and the third has 3 teams at best equipped to win the league.

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{Ed001's Note - that does not make it the most competitive. You clearly do not understand the word you are using. The Championship has a different winner every year so that must make it more competitive then? Why even argue? You always do this and just make yourself look an arse because you are always wrong. I give up, waste of time, as me ma would say, there is no educating pork.}

18 May 2017 08:13:59
The last 3 seasons the premier league has had a runway champions, the last time it was tight at the top was 2013/ 14 between Liverpool and City Chelsea on thier heels.
I think next season might be different with Pep and Jose under real pressure to compete for if not deliver the title and of Poch will have Spurs stronger still.

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18 May 2017 08:44:17
With all due respect Ed I am fully aware of the meaning of the word competitive and I was clearly using it in relation to Arsenal, who are in a top European league, not the French second division or the Championship. It is clear from the statistics that I used that the PL is the most competitive of the top Europenan Leagues. I fail to understand why you revert to rudeness in order to try and win a debate, clearly a tactic fo a weak arguement. Calling people names is infantile in the extreme.

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{Ed001's Note - you clearly are not aware of what the word means and resort to nonsense stats to try and back it up. Competitive leagues do not have a gap of such huge proportions between the top few and the rest. Competitive leagues do not end as a competition weeks early.

As for rudeness, you don't deserve my politeness as your past posts have shown disrespect to editors, you have made up bull and tried to pass off a rumour in the morning newspapers as something you got from a good source, which then you admitted to be hearsay from an unconnected to football 'source'. That is to forget your petty infantile repetitive posts aimed at the raver, for example. Or the repetitive Wenger to PSG *yawn* that has gone from being information you were given to now being a hope. So don't go all high and mighty, you have as much of a leg to stand on as Oscar Pistorious.

You are a hypocrite of the highest order.

By the way, if you take your head from your arse and stop being so disrespectful to other leagues, you would find that the Championship is one of the top European leagues in almost every measure.}

18 May 2017 09:10:26
Ed you've made my morning 😂😂. Keep up the great work.

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18 May 2017 09:29:43
How are 5-6 teams in contention Rg. Look at the last 2 seasons both the EPL winners didn't really have even 1 challenger. You could argue that spurs challenged this year but Chelsea in all fairness ran away with it and had the title wrapped up 3 games to go. Then as for city, Liverpool, arsenal and united they all were no where near challenging and that has been apparent since February.

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18 May 2017 09:47:20
Ed, I am always respectful to Ed's even if I don't agree and find one particular Ed, who shall remain nameless, extremely offensive (its not you by the way! ) . I would like to thank you for at least publishing my response to your comments. We will have to beg to differ on this occasion, but I must explain that when I use a word such as 'competitive', it is clearly in relation to the point in question, not in general, hence the misinterpretation of my comment. As for raver, he gets what he deserves. I have plenty of friends who are Tottenham fans and we get on perfectly, as we show respect to one another, something which raver doesn't do in my opinion.

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18 May 2017 10:03:22
The way I see try predict the winner of the top leagues next season. Chances are one that busts your coupon is premiership. Interesting debate but for me the premiership is a one off. Pep knows now the fight that's on here.

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18 May 2017 10:11:03
Thanks ed for standing by the raver, I owe you a night out and a spin in the famous Subaru. As for R. G. he's more ruder than the pole dancers in Stringfellows. He's also the most deluded fan I have ever met and gives no other teams any credit and has got Arsenal blinkers on 24/ 7. I have great banter with all the boys on here and I always take my fair share of crap back all in Great strides. R. G. Is very jealous and bitter towards the raver and I don't know why, is it because I'm handsome, my Subaru, spurs, please let me know R. G.

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{Ed001's Note - so my thanks is a night of hell??? Oh cheers! :-P

18 May 2017 19:19:41
Im staying out of this one. lol.

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18 May 2017 06:35:52
Morning ed01,

I may have this a little mixed up so hoping you can put me right on it. You've spoken a few times about the problems we have with injuries and I'm pretty sure you've mentioned the "red zone" and Wenger's training methods.

I think I'm right in saying that you've also said the harder managers train their players, such as Klopp and Pochettino the less prone they are to injury.

So my confusion lies with Wenger as I remember him talking of Sanchez being in the "red zone" and I've always understood that to be connected with the intensity at which you train, the period you spend at your max heart rate, usually associated with a HIT workout to constantly increase your fitness but I'm sure he was indicating it was a risk to play Sanchez because he was in the red zone?

So It gives the impression he is training them hard or is he meaning something totally different when he uses/ used that term, "red zone".

From the training photos on the Arsenal website it looks like most of the training consists of ball work.

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{Ed001's Note - the red zone, in this respect, refers to a player who has shown signs of being exhausted and so prone to muscle injuries due to fatigue. It can be caused by a lack of basic fitness, due to not training hard enough or just an overload of work. In Sanchez's case, he trains harder than his teammates, so he is fitter to play more often, which is why he is now considered at risk of fatigue-related injuries. Correctly in this case, Sanchez pushes himself very hard and had a knock which drains the body slightly as it recovers.

The training red zone is similar, but it is an issue because the point in training is to raise the fitness levels, which means you have to push them beyond being tired or they are not improving. Instead, what happens most of the time is that when the players hit the red zone in training, they are given a rest. Unfortunately the red zone in a competitive match is different, as you have to worry about things like adrenalin levels, which can spike and then the body uses it up and you hit what runners often term 'the wall'. Because the players in training are never pushed to improve their stamina and endurance levels, they hit the wall and their body has no way of coping, it then leads to soft tissue injuries.

It comes down to one simple tenet of training from the old school which has now been disposed of - make training harder than the actual event you are training for, so the event seems easy. That way you have a bit of spare capacity in your body to cope with things like the adrenalin dump that can be caused by anything from a flashpoint in the game or an atmosphere that gets your blood pumping etc.

Interestingly (or at least I thought it was) there was an article I read recently which looked into Raymond Verheijen's claims Jurgen Klopp was overtraining his players and that was causing Liverpool's injuries. They spoke to a number of sports scientists who all dismissed Verheijen's claims as nonsense. One of the guys spoken to works with Chelsea and they have had very few injuries, so he has a decent idea of how to keep players fit!}

18 May 2017 12:16:27
Thanks ed, much appreciated.

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{Ed001's Note - you are very welcome mate. It is a pet peeve of mine how they train footballers. They are trained as sprinters, highly tuned for short bursts, rather than as endurance athletes, so they have little in the way of stamina. They don't make them run as far as they used to and then people wonder why footballers pick up more injuries than they used to!}

18 May 2017 13:43:18
I think Sanchez sums up the argument perfectly.

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18 May 2017 15:04:33
It does seem crazy ed, again I hope I'm thinking correctly but the other obvious benefit of better endurance/ stamina that a player has surely helps them in the moments when you have to be precise in what you're doing, making the perfect cross, the right weight of pass or having that calmness in front of goal because you're not blowing out of your proverbial.

That's appreciating you need a fair bit of talent to go with it too.

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{Ed001's Note - but it also means the poor little mites get bored with all the running, as they don't like it. We wouldn't want to upset the little dears would we? Imagine them having to do something they don't enjoy to earn their pittance? What kind of world would that be?}

18 May 2017 02:07:32
Remember whoever we go for this summer not to judge them til they wear the shirt a price tag isn't merely a price tag aka holding and stones mahrez and cuadrado Torres and vardy. Spending money doesn't solely mean ambition. Being canny in the market is also important. Especially when we will be in the europa.

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18 May 2017 06:33:10
Just to add, if he fails next season, he will be axed, he's going to finish lower than van gaal. Not many teams big enough for him left, that would take a chance on him if that happened and he would ride off into the sunset. I can't see him taking a project on, its not his style.

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18 May 2017 06:43:46
Should have been previous post.

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18 May 2017 08:21:57
No one mention Xhaka Mustafi and Perez as they and the near 100 million they cost don't count ( unless they come good next season of course) oh and this time next season if Rob Holding isn't able to live up to the ott hype surrounding him much like that which surrounded Calum Chambers and Elney after 5 minutes in the team please refrain from using Holding as an example as the whole story doesn't show Arsene in such a good light.

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18 May 2017 18:44:20
I do think holding is different mate. Chambers has always looked shaken and holding looks full of confidence and if he gets better he will be great if not he's still good. Can't see him getting worse. In my opinion he's bang on course for been an arsenal and England mainstay.

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18 May 2017 02:05:10
Steve you think mourinho is too up his own to change? change what exactly he has always been a media talking point but tactically he changes week in week out depending on the opposition i.e Herrera man marking hazard at old Trafford claiming him and Wenger are too stubborn change I want to know what you mean? What Wenger says in the press is always to protect the players and take the pressure of yes it is annoying so much of the time but the guy isn't blind nor is mourinho i.e talking up the Europa league as he doesn't want the team to be deemed a failure . two bad seasons doesn't ruin a manager of his records career. What we see of the managers is barely a snipet. To coach and win what both men have show s there ability as man managers and coaches I can't help emphasise enough that this doesn't just evaporate with old age and they suddenly forget what a football team is. c'mon cut the guys some slack. This is football it's competitive and impossible to win all the time.

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18 May 2017 06:24:24
Read the post, its just an opinion and I do say I may be wrong. Both managers are rigid in their beliefs, I think that may be it could ultimately be maureens downfall. Wenger was a winner and never changed his philosophy, I just wonder whether maureen may go the same way. Its called stubborness and they both have it in abundance. i'm not knocking his achievements just his attitude.

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18 May 2017 17:18:18
Is amazing that a few was calling out for him to be our manager. Steve wasn't you one? Apologies if not. I'd much rather have arsene for another 10years than Jose at all. Not that anyone asked just thought il throw that in there 😂.

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18 May 2017 19:24:57
D, last season, instead of wenger yes obviously I would have had maureen. But like lots of things in life, things go bad and things move on. i'm suggesting maureen isn't moving on and has had his time at the top. But he may win the treble next year and make me wrong.

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18 May 2017 19:27:48
D, I was also calling for simione, klopp, pep or keoman. Basically anybody but le prof. Lol.

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17 May 2017 23:35:27
Sanchez was asked about anti-Wenger attitudes :

For me, it (Steve's attitude towards Wenger) is very bad.
'He is the manager who gave a stadium to the club, won cups, and he has been 21 years in the job.
'He is the creator of the stadium, the players and style of the club.'

sanchez went on to say that Steve should have his account frozen on an unnamed banter site until he can behave. Then that he needs 300k per week plus champ league football.

😉

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18 May 2017 00:20:52
Steve said stuff him and sell him and buy Zaha.

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18 May 2017 01:52:47
Did he say if he's going to psg, wenger that is.

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