Arsenal Banter Archive December 19 2016

 

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19 Dec 2016 15:15:51
I've always avoided criticizing our players but a lot of people like to talk about "world class" players and who are and aren't. For me Ozil is just not world class, i am of the opinion that a world class player has to deliver world class performances on a regular basis with having a few bad games once in a while. Ozil always goes missing in the most important and hardest matches. That's the reason why i will never consider him a world class player, he can be outstanding on his day but when it matters he becomes invisible. He would be world class if he had Alexis' attitude, but unfortunately it's just the oposite and so he will stay just a pretty good player in my mind.

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20 Dec 2016 06:49:00
Excellent post. Although I am a fan of Ozil, I would be far more disappointed if Sanchez left. If Ozil leaves and we sign Reus, I wouldn't complain. We must sign a quality LB as soon as possible and we need a midfield general.

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20 Dec 2016 10:44:05
I do like ozil as well. But it must be good when the team isn't playing well he isn't. Am I being harsh to say he isn't a game changer?

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20 Dec 2016 11:20:15
I agree 16 Mesut is a class player but he won't pick a game up by the scruff of the neck and change it when the team is playing badly.
Ozil is the optional extras that turn a good car into a top of the range luxury edition he's not the engine or even the body work that makes even a poor car functional.

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20 Dec 2016 12:46:31
Oh by the way I'm not say we are a poor car just one that is very hit and miss, when where running at 100% we are a thing of beauty that turns heads where ever we go but unfortunately our reliability issues continue to be the thing that prevent us from named car of the year still.

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20 Dec 2016 22:29:38
Huge Ozil fan and a big Sanchez fan - pretty sure most were happy last season that it was Sanchez injured not Ozil! Times change.
A big club needs both players to sign - we wanted world class players and now we need to prove we can afford them by :
Wages
Signings
Trophies

Simple - if we loose the first two we sign then we should revert back to kids.

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21 Dec 2016 07:35:45
I don't think anyone is saying get rid of Ozil SY mate just that he's not the type of player to shine when his team are playing badly, he's the iceing on the cake not the basic ingredients and without those basic ingredients coming together he's never going to turn a soggy bottom into a star baker winning strawberry cheesecake mate.

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19 Dec 2016 12:30:22
We are not ruthless enough to win important matches. Oh and what irks me a lot is having to throw away our leads. Xhaka, Giroud (best at what he does) , Sanchez, Mustafi, Koscienly, Gabriel, Bellerin and an in-form Ramsey have the ruthless attitude we so much desire as a team. Coq is doing well but lacks the ability to hold the ball. It appears Ox and Walcott lack ideas at times. It's okay to see Monreal wanting to improve and he's doing the best he can but he's no Bellerin. Maybe Wenger should drop ozil and play cazorla in his place during big games, he excelled in the playmaker role when we brought to the emirates. I miss Joel Campbel, offers a lot offensively and defensively. In any case we have to wake up and win our next 5 games to make up for our losses.

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19 Dec 2016 08:27:54
When you consider who City had out we really should have got something from the game .

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19 Dec 2016 08:54:10
We did get something. Our asses kicked πŸ™‚.

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{Ed025's Note - i thought you were a bit unfortunate dags, not much between the teams for me and even though thats 2 losses on the trot i still think you are in the mix mate..

19 Dec 2016 09:38:46
Obviously we need to keep going and finish as high as possible in the league same with the champions league we should try and go as far as we possibly can but both are a very big ask when we are for lots of reasons not really equipped to realistically win either.
As we all know this is probably Arsene last season so rather than get all upset about not being what we would all like us to be I think we should go all out for the FA cup and try to turn the May final into an absolutely fantastic thank you party for a manager who despite the last decade or so has still given us the best years our club has ever seeen.
We could go over and over the same old debates as we have each and every season for umpteen years or we can turn the season into a big celebration party win lose or draw.
It's not a case of being negative it's about accepting we are not yet we're we need to be as a team or club and making the most of the season.

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19 Dec 2016 11:51:09
At half time it looked like we were in charge. It looked like we could score when we want . Problem is the tactic backfired and when they got a rub of the green with the flag not going up when in the first half it went up for us by the same margin when iwobi rattled the net.

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19 Dec 2016 11:52:17
I'm all for that 62 mate.

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19 Dec 2016 18:40:43
Ed025,
Annoying this is, we start off on the front foot, take the lead, than completely capitulate.

Well, the last 2 games at least.

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{Ed025's Note - you have got a soft centre dags i admit but when you are at your best no one can live with you, you will find the winning formula again and be back in the race...im sure of that mate..

19 Dec 2016 19:41:26
Agree Ed,

But we have reached the stage where it's not the taking part, it's the winning that counts mate.

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19 Dec 2016 22:42:10
In that case Dags there's only one thing for it, throw away the abacus and stop counting mate :-)

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19 Dec 2016 07:32:51
If you want any predictions on how our seasons going to go. Just keep your eye on The Simpsons cartoons. We just might get a mention! They seem to be able to predict events pretty accurately.
πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚.

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19 Dec 2016 07:36:17
For the Non Believers just google 'the Simpsons predictions ' πŸ˜‚.

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19 Dec 2016 07:38:55
Or Simpsons Arsenal Predictions! ' Take a πŸ‘€ look πŸ˜‚.

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19 Dec 2016 08:55:30
Worried about you mate πŸ˜„.

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19 Dec 2016 09:51:03
Me too Dags mateπŸ˜‚.

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19 Dec 2016 06:58:05
One thing I noticed yesterday was how few fighters we have in the team. Back in the day, we had the famous back four, as well the likes of Vieira, Petit and Henry that battled relentlessly. Nowadays we have too many soft players and the moment a player like Xhaka comes along, Wenger quickly stops them showing their character. Yes, Vieira, Adams, Wright, etc got sent off occasionally, but it was a price worth paying to see the commitment they showed. The likes of Walcott, Gibbs, Ozil, Iwobi, etc are just too laid back and when the going gets tough they fade. We need to bring a couple of fighters and let the rest of their team show their character.

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19 Dec 2016 06:42:22
We really miss Mustafi at the back. The thing I find strange is that we appear to drop physically in the 2nd half of a match and the muscular injuries continue to mount up, again this leads to the conditioning of the players. Sanchez is rarely injured and he works like a dog. Perhaps Wenger's methods are not correct and leave the players susceptible to such injuries. If you look at clubs, like the Toot the muscular injuries are far fewer and apparently they are worked very hard. Mind you they do tend to p, at fewer matches than us as they go out the cup competitions early. Hopefully, we can return to winning ways against WBA.

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19 Dec 2016 05:38:12
I think that's it for our bpl title challenge this year can't see Chelsea dropping 9 points.

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19 Dec 2016 07:09:42
Actually I can see them dropimh points at same stage, but can't see us not dropping any more. we seems to have taken this Christmas really seriously and we are giving points away.

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19 Dec 2016 08:56:55
Slovak πŸ˜„.

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19 Dec 2016 11:16:19
Me too mate! I feel like Bill Murray.

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19 Dec 2016 01:00:14
guardiola is a far better coach than wenger. guardiola could have played with reserves and still smashed us because our players are never motivated and i think that is solely down to the manager. coaches like guardiola and conte seem to be to cultivate that kind of hunger and desire in players something wenger can't (remember 3-2 defeat to man united last season).

if you watch football keenly and have been watching guardiola's teams over the last eight years there is one thing you will notice, they may not win all their matches but even if they lose they at least try. i.e press the ball put pressure on the opponent etc. wenger has been left behind by his peers.

one thing that always annoys me about wenger is that he always blames referees. how is it the referees fault that we were utter rubbish in the second half? wenger never blames his players, he is simply out of touch. wouldn't mind a new young coach.

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19 Dec 2016 09:00:55
Guardiola at Bayern. Yes.
Guardiola at Barca. Yes.
Guardiola at City. Really?

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{Ed025's Note - the thing is that pep has never had to build a side, they have always been handed to him on a silver platter, im sure even you could manage those 3 clubs dags with the players he has had at his disposal.. :)

19 Dec 2016 10:41:46
He built his own Barcelona team in a way. Got rid of ronaldinho who is probably one of the best players ever. Saying that guardiola isn't a great coach is simply an insult to his genius. One thing he does is that he gets the maximum out of players. If he notices that you are not putting in a 100% effort he drops you something wenger doesn't. I have never seen wenger on the touchline shouting at his players. Even when they are playing rubbish he sits on his seat busy with his coat zipper. Anyybody with knowledge of basic human psychology knows that motivation is either one that comes from within or from the enviroment. You don't need to motivate someone like sanchez o coquelin but guys like walcott and ozil you got to give them some stick that is how they will perform something wenger never does. Who used to remember ferguson subbing players in the first half or his hairdresser treatment? It used to work because some players only respond to fear and not love, something wenger seems trouble comprehending. He is too soft on his players.

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19 Dec 2016 11:33:11
Everyone used to champion mourinho's ruthless attitude towards players careers until it didn't work anymore.

Pep isn't from the same mould as him and has infinitely more class granted. But Barcelona were in a transitional phase when he took over. Eto'o and ronny were known problem players way before guadiola took over too. He also had the best player in the world come to the fore whilst he was there.

He also reportedly bowed to messi's demands to play in the middle at Zlatan's expense. If the decision works it's a genuis move (which granted it did) , if it didn't he'd have been classed as out of his depth.

For me arsenal's biggest issue is experience at big events. Since Czech signed he calmed us down a lot at the back. Arsenal look like a team scared of how hey know they can play. If le coq (random example) had the experience and calming Measure of say andrea pirlo I believe it galvanises everyone with confidence a little more.

Arsenal are and will continue to build. Stadium is good. League position is good (by anyone but a fews standards) and infrastructure is good. 1st team squad is good, staff are good, there are no glaring holes. Just a need for constant improvement, the rate at which will determine where we finish in the league I imagine.

half of an eventful season to go yet.

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19 Dec 2016 13:23:45
We are not going to improve with wenger at the helm simply because he has been doing the same things for the last 12 years over and over again. I can really predict everything he will say after every big game that we lose i swear and i am not making this up. i am no genius or anything, but i was preety sure that during the start of the season that liverpool will beat us and that wenger would say we lost because our players were not fit. Well why weren't they? why were the liverpool players fit and ours were not? his excuses are laughable. I was preety sure that after yesterday's game that wenger will blame the referee and say his players were fatigued. well city play the same number of games like we do, how come they are not fatigued and we are? If he knows that we have a busy schedule, how come he did not rotate his players? . Was it the referee's fault that we were rubbish yesterday for like 45 mins? His excuses are shocking and i am tired of them because i have been hearing them for the last 12 years. Our team lacks a leader. We need a new coach and there are some really good coaches around. it is not like there are no quality coaches around. On top of my head i can think of jardim, tuchel, montella, sampaoli and even marcelo bielsa himsef think he still has no job. Even a combination of patrick viera and henry wouldn't be bad. Bottom line we need a new coach.

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19 Dec 2016 13:23:45
We are not going to improve with wenger at the helm simply because he has been doing the same things for the last 12 years over and over again. I can really predict everything he will say after every big game that we lose i swear and i am not making this up. i am no genius or anything, but i was preety sure that during the start of the season that liverpool will beat us and that wenger would say we lost because our players were not fit. Well why weren't they? why were the liverpool players fit and ours were not? his excuses are laughable. I was preety sure that after yesterday's game that wenger will blame the referee and say his players were fatigued. well city play the same number of games like we do, how come they are not fatigued and we are? If he knows that we have a busy schedule, how come he did not rotate his players? . Was it the referee's fault that we were rubbish yesterday for like 45 mins? His excuses are shocking and i am tired of them because i have been hearing them for the last 12 years. Our team lacks a leader. We need a new coach and there are some really good coaches around. it is not like there are no quality coaches around. On top of my head i can think of jardim, tuchel, montella, sampaoli and even marcelo bielsa himsef think he still has no job. Even a combination of patrick viera and henry wouldn't be bad. Bottom line we need a new coach.

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