Arsenal Banter Archive July 19 2016

19 Jul 2016 23:04:08
Bit of a strange question that may cause some debate. Forget the fact we need another CF that's not girouds fault we clearly need to upgrade him. But since he has joined us. Does anyone else think he was quite a bargain for 9.6 million? I mean come on he is frustrating but for that fee has he not more that repaid that back?

20 Jul 2016 00:41:12
He takes a lot of stick, but suits our style of play.
As you say, £9.6m, so that makes him a bargain.

Due to Wenger's reluctance to buy striker's, Giroud has pretty much lead the line single handedly for 4 years, scoring 82 goals in 188 matches, 1 goal every 2 and a half games.

In todays market, he is worth approx £20m, double what we paid.

People (on here) , say we won't win the league with Olly up top, hard to disagree with that, but that's more down to Wenger than Olly.

French International, scoring 20 goals in 55 games, so for me, an absolute bargain.

20 Jul 2016 01:04:12
Personally I think he's been average and produced average performances. Why should it be good that he was a bargain anyway when he is only average. he's been dropped, had barron spells and didn't feature hardly at all in one of our fa cup wins. One of the least exiting arsenal forwards I can remember.

20 Jul 2016 06:46:29
I do not like the lad but 9.6mill is cheap in the modern market.

20 Jul 2016 07:50:27
Steve I could name a few less exciting unless you're on about first choice players. Think you're being harsh myself he has been better than average.

20 Jul 2016 09:35:17
Giroud is a quality player and at that point price is cheap as scraps, his hold up play and team contribution are second to none, but he is not a top class finisher and that's the problem.
His record does look impressive but when you look a little closer and go into detail it loses its early gloss.
Like Olly a lot but we need a goal machine to play with or instead of hum.

20 Jul 2016 10:17:53
Since he's joined he has out scored Rooney every year. giroud is class don't think any other striker in the Premier League has a touch as good as he does.

20 Jul 2016 10:07:44
He is a lot better than Jeffers ever was and Wilford kanu to.

20 Jul 2016 10:57:18
So we go again with Olly up top and Mertesacker Chambers and Gabriel?
I wonder if it work out different this time and if so why?
No disrespect to anyone or anyone of our players but it we continue to do the same thing over and over again but are disappointed when you get the same result what does that say about us?
If tried to twist the cap off a bottle of beer a couple of times without getting a taste of it I'd definitely think about giving a bottle opener a go before I tried the twisty thing again ;-)

20 Jul 2016 10:57:43
i am a big fan of giroud, his all round play, touch, link up and he scores goals. he is better than 95% of the strikers in the prem, problem is that he is not TH, VP or Ian Wright, HE is not an Aguero or Suarez and that's the type of forward we all want and believe we should have,
I would be gutted if he left the club and i think he plays a huge part of our season ( in a positive way) but also we need/ want that top class forward that we have historically had and that is unfortunately for giroud the standard he will be judged against.
Smith
Bergkamp
wright
TH
VP.

20 Jul 2016 12:13:28
To be fair GB he just needs to match the premier league records of Kane Vardy and Sturridge or even half thier chance conversation rate would be enough.
For every 4 good chances per game kane and Vardy get Olly gets 8- 10 so should be atleast able to match them.
He gets a hatrick followed by a couple of doubles then 10 games without a goal followed by a double in a 5 0 win.

20 Jul 2016 12:29:45
Better than 95% of strikers in EPL? I sir, do not concur with that statement. Giroud is one of the players who loses us the title every season. I seriously do not understand this thing of holding the ball up. Why do we want that? That has become an option at Arsenal because he is too slow and doesn't get into good goal scoring positions that often. Tell me another team that uses the striker as a holding player and wins stuff? Before you say Benzema, I will say with confidence that Benz is actually quite prolific in his own right. He is faster, can dribble more, can shoot better and can win matches on his own.

The fact that Giroud needs help upfront is tstament enough that he is not a good enough striker for a club of the calibre of Arsenal.

20 Jul 2016 12:50:23
But if we can't get a striker who is good enough on his own we need to improvise and adjust accordingly.
There's little point in doing exactly the same thing this season that got us 71 points last season, is there?
We desperately need an 80pts season to show people we are competitive option and not just a cosy club to be at.

20 Jul 2016 13:03:35
I agreee with you G62, how then do we do that? Where is our problem and how do we fix it?

20 Jul 2016 13:16:32
Personally I'd go for a short term fix and sign Defoe to play along side or as an alternative Olly, the boy knows where the goal is and is very doable then get Williams in for a couple of seasons to along side Kos and who knows in Holding and Chambers we might have their replacements in a couple of seasons time.
Get who we can now improve our reputation as far as being competitive instead of also rans and go from there rather than going again as we are and next summer we may have more luck getting who we really want if people think we're serious again, well that's what I'd do.

20 Jul 2016 15:04:15
in the 3 seasons since giroud has been in the prem only aguero has constantly out scored him, Kane has done it for the last 2 seasons.

HE has scored 16/ 14/ 16 . no he is not a world class striker which is what i said but yes better than 95% as on 2 have constantly out scored him, he is consitanly decent, not great, not the best but to slate him as much as we do id IMO wrong, he add more to our game than just goals, you mock his hold up play but that allows other player to score and suits our style of play not the other way round.

but i do agree that we need a 25+ goal a season striker, one of the elite if you like. but of the striker in the next tier down, IMO there are not many that have been as consistent as Giroud is all i am saying.

20 Jul 2016 15:24:37
Fair point gunnerBreal.

20 Jul 2016 15:37:10
His hold up play is superb and is an asset to our team, its the wasted chances that cost us so many points over a season thars the issue with Olly.
He may well score 4 or 5 point winning goals a season but how many draws or defeats do we get because of the hat full of excellent chances he misses.
As you say 16 14 16 isn't terrible but if he hadn't played against a well relegated already on the beach villa on the last day of the season it would have been 13 last season.
Great worker and an asset to have in the squad but he ain't going to win us a title up top on his own that's the issue.

20 Jul 2016 16:57:24
Blimey didn't think this'll get this many replies lol. For me girouds finishing let's him down. But I really feel if we had someone up top with him everyone would really see the best of him. The other guy doing the finishing and playing off giroud and giroud being the aerial threat.

19 Jul 2016 20:43:24
Why is everyone obsessed with the idea of Lacazette? I don't rate him at all.

19 Jul 2016 21:01:36
Can't say I've seen enough of him. I think some people just want us to spend for the sake of it.

19 Jul 2016 21:10:39
Because anyone is better than nothing (what looks like happening) . And I've heard of him.

19 Jul 2016 21:51:40
Because he's somewhat realistic and better than nothing?

19 Jul 2016 21:52:06
in the valley of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

19 Jul 2016 22:08:49
Lime
He will score goals and that's what we want.

19 Jul 2016 22:59:57
Will he score that many tho. He has potential but he didn't do great last season and season before he had scored a lot of penalties.

20 Jul 2016 00:34:27
He is quite good. Fast and technically superior to giroud.

20 Jul 2016 05:35:22
Yet another over hyped over price ligue one forward. If gignac was in the french squad ahead of him he can't be much cop.

20 Jul 2016 10:16:47
So why doesn't he get a game for France? Honestly I mean if it's him or noone, then sure, but he's not going to take Girouds place, nor would he score more goals than him if he did imo.

19 Jul 2016 19:26:08
How can we stop this site turning into keeping up with the joneses.

19 Jul 2016 20:01:56
Jealous of my Subaru are you sanago.

19 Jul 2016 20:07:54
I'm not sure I understand the question mate?
Do you mean wanting to be competitive in title races?

19 Jul 2016 20:32:05
No I mean let's live beyond our means! I do 😄.

19 Jul 2016 21:24:06
Living up to them would be nice mate :-)
We are the millionaire's who go shopping at 9.59pm hoping to get kilo of Wagyu beef normally priced at £97 for 99p but end up paying £5 for a tin of corn beef with the key missing out of desperation:-)

19 Jul 2016 22:52:25
Gunner can I come into your world, I love it, better than the one we are in.

19 Jul 2016 17:38:01
I have bben away playing golf and had a chat with sir Alex,
Never thought a lot about the guy, always felt he ruined a good few weekends for me
But what a nice and honest man.
He said that he couldn't be leave how some of the fans have treated wenger, He said wenger should walk away and see how we do then . to top it all, he told me to have an bet eachway on spurs for the league.
Then last night I'm in the driving range and who walks in John stones, Got talking to him and he recons giroud is top class and can't beleave the way some fans are with him,
He also said UNDER Wenger he would love to play, as he plays the best football .
Don't know what John was doing in Manchester, i asked him was he a member and he said not yet, lol.

19 Jul 2016 18:25:31
Sir Alex knows what he is talking about in saying spurs as a each way bet, another young classy signing again today from mopo in the Marseille winger.

19 Jul 2016 18:53:36
The Toot will do nothing this season

They won't even qualify for the CL

Their of to the bottle bank, to see if they can find some nerve

#youllwin****allagain.

19 Jul 2016 19:17:32
Had he been on the red wine again welsh. He owns a bookmakers you know, its not yours is it.

19 Jul 2016 19:36:09
Malaga, I'm not saying we will win the league but people think we won't be nowhere near top 4 are in for a shock, we have a very good squad and we are adding to it right now in jannsen, wanyama and the Marseille winger plus a young good manager in pochettino.

19 Jul 2016 20:45:02
Yep he's a good manager, you snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in the race for the PL x.

19 Jul 2016 20:54:14
Raver don't deny what you are saying but doesn't it worry you that youve got a team that flops more than holly Willoughby when the heat is on and that was enfasised in the euros again. They are talented but they have wobbly leg syndrome and that won't go away.

19 Jul 2016 21:06:28
We give it a better go than you lot Banbury, you were on top at Christmas and new year and you also bottled it, every pundit in the country now say spurs are a very good side, you want to hope Wenger buys some new players as you won't be frightening anyone with mertasaker at the back and giroud up top.

19 Jul 2016 22:12:48
Steve R
Yes he had been in troon all day and flew back to the club,

19 Jul 2016 14:22:36
Arsene,
Stop chasing shadows over Higuain and tie up Lacazette.

Sorted.

19 Jul 2016 15:02:23
Is Lacazette the new Remy. 😂😂.

19 Jul 2016 15:47:11
What happened to Remy. Last contact with him was he went for a driving lesson in Essex. never seen or heard of since!

19 Jul 2016 16:32:57
Better than that Red :-)

Epping, he was last seen cruising down the A127, probably behing the Raver in his Subaru :-)

19 Jul 2016 09:11:31
I don't really get the moaning over the failure to sign Kante, whether before or after joining Leicester. We have signed Granit Xhaka who looks great in my opinion. He doesn't need to run around all day to be a great DM, he is well suited to our style of play. I think Wenger wanted a Sergio Busquets type of player, great at reading play and can control the tempo of the game. He is tall, strong, tenacious and a great passer, what more could you want from a midfielder. You don't need to be rapid to a great midfielder, and he could be with someone faster to mitigate his perceived weakness ala Behrami for the National team. I really don't see the hysteria to be honest.
We have Ramsey who can run around for days, he can compensate
for any lack of energy in our midfield.
He might or might not prove to a success at Arsenal, but to write him off as the wrong signing before he's even played for us is wrong.

19 Jul 2016 09:18:20
Take note Steve 😏.

19 Jul 2016 09:30:56
I don't get why people are disappointed either, once Xhaka was signed that was us and Kante off the agenda.
Given the choice would I have taken Kante over Xhaka? Of course I would but we didn't have that chioce to make as Xhaka was doable and Kante had so many options available to him we were unlikely to top his list.
As the season unfolds the same thing will be said about every player who moved this summer and does well " we should have had him ' :-)
As if we had the option in the first place, if Mahrez leaves Leicester he will have many options and I'm not sure we will be top of his to do list either so its pointless moaning about not getting a player who was never going to come us in the first place.

19 Jul 2016 10:46:48
Totally agree - Granit looks good, a bit of bite, good passer and natural defender
Happy and happy we got him in quickly. In fact happy with him, Elneny, Coq, Santi etc to Marshall CM.

19 Jul 2016 10:48:52
I would put money on it that those demanding we sign Kante this season were also demanding we signed Nemanja Matić a couple of seasons ago. A big strong presence that had been missing from our midfield.

Now it's let get the diminutive Kante. Some people really are truly never happy. 😉

Still we can relax knowing Chelsea will win the league as they've now signed him. If we could just find out which player we need to sign to win the Champions League we could be on to something.

So who is it Steve? 😂😂😂.

19 Jul 2016 11:09:30
I remember Ottmar Hitzfeld likened Xhaka to a "young Schweinsteiger" a few years ago, and similarly Thorsten Fink said "Xherdan Shaqiri is the best talent in Switzerland. after Xhaka”. He has stood out as someone to watch for a while now, and fingers crossed he fits in well here. i'm not knocking Kante, but after 1 top flight season can he continue his current form? Probably, yes, but we don't know for certain. I would love Kante here, but I am similarly very excited by Xhaka. For me he plays like Alonso, deep controlling midfielder with an eye for a pass and strong in the tackle. I was always envious of Liverpool when Alonso was there, and I really believe we have someone who can do a similar job.

19 Jul 2016 11:10:31
Lets see how the season pans out before we go giving Chelsea and Kante the title Red, after all Utd and City might have something to say about that :-) although I do very much doubt Xhaka and Arsenal will be very vocal on this issue:-)
Kante v Xhaka? Let's talk again next May and see who has the best season as right now it's all opinion and to a large degree extremely biased both ways for some :-)

19 Jul 2016 10:47:47
Well said! Personally with what I seen in the euros i'd prefer xhaka.

19 Jul 2016 14:24:18
g62,

I'm giving Chelsea zip, it was Steve who said the Kante signing would give them the title, hence I asked him who we should sign to win the Champions League.

Tongue in cheek mate. 😉😀.

19 Jul 2016 17:50:26
Red dog for us to win the champs league I will tell you. A new manager, a new center back, a new left back, kante, a new right winger and a new striker. You did ask.

19 Jul 2016 17:54:06
Red dog I presume it was you with my old mate welsh who were saying that leicester were not going to last the pace when last October, I told many people they would and kept telling them all year. What did you get right last year, I think you said we would win the league didn't you, which I said we wouldnt. You are giving chelsea zip, I've got that stored for future reference.

19 Jul 2016 18:11:11
Steve I said we'd finish 2nd behind Man City, don't believe I was one who said Leicester wouldn't last the pace either mate.

We had a fantastic opportunity and we know who blew it. For your info I don't think we'll do naff all this season, we need a striker and will not be buying one. Simple.

Thus I couldn't give a toss who wins what, but you said Chelsea would with Kante. I have obviously noted that mate. 😉

P. s I'd agree with all but the left back.

19 Jul 2016 19:12:04
Kante on his own is a great player for me with all the players they have he finishes their team and balances it perfectly, I don't see a stronger more balanced squad at the moment, still time to change that. I actually rate hime better than pogba. Anyway I hope i'm wrong.