Arsenal Banter Archive March 19 2017

 

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19 Mar 2017 21:30:40
Bild reporting Arsenal have made an offer to Tuchel

Usually as all paper talk but Bild usually pretty reliable.

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{Ed002's Note - This is far from new news - and I am not so sure that "offer" is the best word to use.}

20 Mar 2017 00:01:12
I hope that is true. Tuchel would suit us but not sure wenger would vacate his seat willingly.

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19 Mar 2017 23:16:50
I think this season Tottenham will finish above arsenal there's No way they can throw the points gap away this year AGAIN.

As for spurs fans that will be celebrating it like they won the league enjoy it as the way i see it if you's finish above us hopefully that will be the final nail in wengers managerial career at arsenal.

Then a new manager with a new view, new staff and a plan B comes in and helps us get back on top.

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19 Mar 2017 23:05:32
I for one cannot stand watching the way we play now. If a good side presses us we cannot seem to string 2 passes together. If a weak side sits back we just pass the ball from one side of the field to the other. When we break someone inevitably will check backwards and stop the momentum. No one seems willing or able to put in a cross especially if Giroud is on the pitch. No one will take a long shot or if they do it goes straight into the stands. Direct free kicks go into the wall. Penalties are saved while Cech seems hell bent on creating a record for the number of penalties not saved.

And I haven't even mentioned our defending.

When and why did we (Wenger) change from playing super fast transition football of the Invincibles to this turgid form of Barcelona lite. Only Barcelona (and perhaps Bayern) have the players good enough to play that way. When will Wenger learn? (Answer is probably never but a younger Wenger did know. )

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{Ed002's Note - Obviously the situation is far worse because of the fans that have turned on the club and idiots like you not supporting the club nor the team - it is having a serious impact on the game. Much the same as the Liverpool fans have done over the years and toxic Manchester United fans more recently. It is hopeless and embarrassing to watch this dreadful degredation and quite frankly the fans deserve the consequences of the damage that they cause. Arsenal has the spectacular progress of Liverpool and Manchester United to look forward to. The likes of Spurs are feeding off people like you dragging the club down - well done.}

20 Mar 2017 09:00:01
Ed002; I rhink .....

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{Ed002's Note - Why would I care about your age and your wife? You are a complete embarrassment - don't bother coming back.}

20 Mar 2017 11:52:52
Firstly I'd like to make very clear that I am not a Wenger OUT type and whether he is our manager next season or not, I'll still be an Arsenal fan who will look back fondly at everything we have achieved as a club with him at the helm.

Having said that, I can only hope that Ed002 is making these incendiary posts while drunk, stoned or both. Not too long ago a similar post aimed at steve. r was deleted. Is this new shock and awe marketing ploy the way forward?

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{Ed002's Note - My post was completely correct. The Arsenal fans are becoming more and more of an embarrassment in exactly the same way as Liverpool and Manchester United fans have been in the past. You don't realise the bad will this creates and the damage it does to the clubs - look at the performances and league positions of both other sides since the fans started to drag the clubs down. The same will be happening at Arsenal where it is just about to start coming apart at the seams. Seemingly the knuckle-dragging morons are back out of their boxes at Arsenal and are coming to web sites such as this to share their spewing hatred of the manager - not a single constructive post. I have no idea what your comment about a "martketing ploy" means.}

20 Mar 2017 12:22:02
I can definitely see the damage. I see it in our performances and I see it etched on our Manager's face.

What I can't see though is how you calling any of us stupid, embarrassments, etc. helps in the grand scheme of things. I've had lengthy debates in chat with other fans who feel this is all Wenger's fault and while we don't agree, none of them have called me any names nor have I seen the need to call them any names.

If end users constantly argued on here and called each other names, this wouldn't be a very nice site to visit. People doing this would likely get banned and rightly so. So I ask you, where do you draw the line? I obviously value your input on this site but not at the expense of being in fear that you might single me out for one of your derisive replies.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware that I have called you stupid or an embarrassment - but I will if your comments or views are stupid or embarrassing.

I was going to do the Arsenal Sharkopod today but it really isn't worth the bother because the fans are really not interested in transfers and which players are being looked at. I'll leave that until they settle down.}

20 Mar 2017 12:36:54
I didn't once mention that you called ME stupid or an embarrassment.

Not doing the Sharkpod for Arsenal fans is entirely your prerogative. I only hope you're not taking this stance because I've voiced an opinion.

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{Ed002's Note - Not because of you - but because the threads are degrading the manager and the club and have move far away from the transfer aspects.}

20 Mar 2017 17:18:25
I enjoy the debates on here but someone's view is someone's view. If no one goes on this site its dead.

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19 Mar 2017 19:45:10
Cheer up boys.

Yes, we have lost 4 out of our last 5 league games, as well as two 5-1 defeats to Bayern sandwiched in between.

Things can't get any worse, so cheer up 😃.

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{Ed025's Note - its grim at the moment dags but im sure things will improve mate, you have too many good players not to..

19 Mar 2017 20:00:11
It's the raver coming through in his luminous blue Subaru to cheer you up even more dags as spurs strolled to another win to put us 9 points clear. I'm off for a late night function in leafy Bermondsey to celebrate another Sunday stroll without Harry Kane.

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19 Mar 2017 20:05:55
The question is do those players want things to improve? I agree with Alan Shearer in what he said on motd last night " the players gave their opinions yesterday on the field '

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19 Mar 2017 20:08:17
Hi chaps
Liverpool fan in peace , just wanted to say that Gooner supporters in general are a classy bunch . I genuinely feel for you guys but seriously you should show some respect to your manager. Let him leave with dignity . He lives and breathes your club and the current circumstances must hurt him more than you think. Your players should also shoulder some of the blame. Just my opinion guys. #respectaw.

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{Ed025's Note - i totally agree piaray, after all we dont want scenes like we seen at anfield when gilette and hicks were there do we mate.. :)

19 Mar 2017 20:12:19
Very true Ed025,
Wouldn't mind snatching your boy Rom.

He's looking like a proper beast, ala Drogba.

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{Ed025's Note - hes doing very well dags but whether we hang on to him is touch and go, if he stays hes the best CF in europe, but if he goes...hes overrated and lazy mate.. :)

19 Mar 2017 21:36:01
Cheers Piaray mate, being one step removed always helps you see things more calmly mate but i do wonder if even Bill Shankly or Bob Paisley would have lasted a decade without a challenge for a leave title.
I think the rest of football would be 100% behind them because of all they had done previously for Liverpool football club but i doubt the Liverpool fans would have much of an appite for more of the same going backwards.

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19 Mar 2017 21:44:47
I see the irony ed25 me commenting when we did the same . Hindsight is a good thing to learn from . I just feel that Arsene is too dignified to be treated so disrepectfuly . Picketing is not there answer.

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{Ed025's Note - im with you all the way piaray, i think all this placard malarkey and planes flying with messages wanting the manager out makes the supporters look like prats...which they obviously are mate..

19 Mar 2017 19:28:44
Just wondering how far back do you have to go to find a run that is as poor as the one we are currently on.

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19 Mar 2017 19:46:26
It was when Stewart Houston was manager.

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19 Mar 2017 21:26:59
And I think its going to get worse banners.

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19 Mar 2017 15:30:38
Ed, strange question, with perhaps an obvious answer.

Can there actually be transfer targets so long as the manager remains undecided for next season? The scouting networks continue to operate, perhaps without direction or anyone seriously reading their reports? How tom the mechanics function to make sure we're ready to bring in quality?

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes there can be targets but when new managers arrive they will talk to those concerned in the process and discuss each of the existing targets and perhaps ask them to take a look at or consider others. Obviously out of season it is difficult to "take a look at" players - but clubs look at players all of the time. So you can expect some to go and some to be added.}

19 Mar 2017 21:04:29
Thanks ed.

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome man.}

19 Mar 2017 21:04:58
Is it true they're looking to bring back Eboue? I hope so.

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{Ed002's Note - I understand he is in Joey Barton's plans as new player manager.}

19 Mar 2017 12:42:50
Rg you have actually said something I agree with. Henry and keown should replace wenger until the end of the season. Its not about tactics, buying the right players or how many trophies a manager has won. From now to the end of the season its about lifting the gloom and apathy from the place and injecting confidence. For ten weeks we have nothing to loose with bringing some enthusiasm back from henry and keown. We need some impetus and something to get the crowd going again and something like that is what could give us a well needed boost and different perspective.

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19 Mar 2017 13:25:30
I agree. Wenger is now the rotten apple in the basket. The longer he stays, the faster the rot of the other apples.

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19 Mar 2017 18:27:36
I totally disagree anyone should come in to replace Arsene before May, let's give him a hero's send off win lose or draw.
We are as unlikely to make too 4 with an interim manager as we are with Arsene and an ex player no matter how popular doesn't guarantee an upturn in results look at Alan Shearer at Newcastle and hero's don't come much bigger than him.
There is no need to rush Arsene out the door imo May is the right time to part company in the most respectful way left open to us now.
Again IMO but things have been allowed to go further downhill than they should have been but i see no point in going from one extreme to the other.

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19 Mar 2017 19:30:20
I agree 62 Wenger has as much chance of turning this around as anyone but I still believe he will manage us next season.

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19 Mar 2017 20:03:05
I posted a few weeks back that i thought Arsene might try and go for a 1 year contract as a way of keeping the hostility towards him staying to a minimum Banbury mate and i still think that's the most likely scenario.

I don't think he's going to walk away now or even in years time but i do think he sees that in a years time he might be able to win people back over to him, personally i think he will end up having to be forced out by the club either this summer or at some stage next season which is sad.

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19 Mar 2017 21:17:02
I thought wenger could do a job but from what I am seeing, it and he is a lost cause now. Im not sentimental anymore just arsenal focused. Wenger for me has tarnished all he has done good gor this club and as I can see can only do more damage.

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19 Mar 2017 21:30:17
Gunner if he decides to give himself another year, arsenal football club will never recover and we will become West hams nearest challengers.

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19 Mar 2017 22:46:05
Steve my personal choice would be Arsene leaving in the summer but what i think will happen is he will be allowed another season because no one wants to push him out but he won't finish​ next season simply because his position will become​ totally untenable.

At least 50% of fans want change and at least 50% of the players look like they feel the same way too and the media are going to milk this situation for all it's worth and more.

We will recover mate no question about that, we may have to mix it in the lower top half or mid-table next season if Arsene stays but we will bounce back extremely quickly when change finally arrives.

For Arsene things look totally impossible now but for Arsenal it's a case of when not if we challenge again, we are still a big club and unlike Leeds and Portsmouth our troubles aren't financial just on field.

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19 Mar 2017 12:48:13
Ha, I said weeks ago jesus would be back before Carzola. Hopefully Wenger takes the medical team with him.

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19 Mar 2017 08:05:51
Hi Ed002. I am really making an effort to stay away from the press for the next few days. They are circling around Arsenal like vultures and this uncertainty is going to cause them to peddle falsehood after falsehood. I know things do not change in an instant, but when there is something concrete concerning Wenger and his decision, please let us know. You are more in touch than these conventional media houses who will spout anything to sell a paper or get clicks

thanks once again for tolerating us and keeping us in the loop.

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{Ed002's Note - The club had not, as of yesterday been informed if the manager is to ask for a new contract or not.}

19 Mar 2017 12:58:39
I thought contract has been offered 2yr but Wenger not accepted yet? Is this not the case?

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19 Mar 2017 12:55:51
Thanx Ed.

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{Ed002's Note - To answer the previous question. The offer last summer was for a new two year contract which would have over-ridden the one year he had to run and extended him until June 2018. That was last summer, not now.}

19 Mar 2017 14:59:49
Thanx Ed.

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19 Mar 2017 19:22:29
Cheers ed.

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19 Mar 2017 09:56:45
What ever the decision
Will the fans unite behind it, or are we going to have the kids protesting.
Lol
Just watching Sunday supplement, they are saying fans with banners want to be on tv,
How true
The press have come to the same conclusion as the MAJORITY of true arsenal fans.
I would like to ask, do they think protesting when the game is on, is ok or as me, do they think it disrupts the team and helps our rivals like Spurs.

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{Ed025's Note - i think it will be very sad if we see "wenger out" placards welsh, he deserves better than that mate..

19 Mar 2017 10:10:32
True Ed
We need a David Dein. we also for me need a new 2nd in command, Steve bound falls asleep on the bench. Keown or Adams. Would have more heart
But if he goes then I will back our new coach.

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{Ed002's Note - You need to get out of the mindset that ex-players are the best options and all of this loyalty nonsense. The optimal solution is the man who can do the best job in that role for Arsenal.}

19 Mar 2017 12:25:44
I've been loyal for 50 yrs so I won't change, and to call it nonsense is a stupid thing to say
I'm not a trophy hunter I'm a loyal arsenal fan, and what we have achieved the last 3 yrs have been ok. Yes we now need to move on and up. But changing the manager every blip is not our arsenal way.

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19 Mar 2017 15:04:17
So love Ewlsh, went first went on the south bank in '57. Sadly this ain't a blip it's his honest belief that this is the only way to win. Playing to keep possession and hope there is a goal coming doesn't please us or more importantly the players. It's been like this for what 10yrs. Everyone knows how to beat us. If Pullis can out play us all IS lost mate.

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19 Mar 2017 16:00:05
Sag mate
I'm starting to think we need to change things. But we do it with respect. Not with bully boys .
I saw a kid holding up a plack, Wenger has been at our club longer than that idiot was old.
So I do get upset .
People say we pay the biggest ticket prices, we do, and we choose too,
Mate do you think the placks, in the game are good for our players, is it helping? or our so called fans undermining the team. I don't like loosing, but you need to learn to loose before you know how to win,
I respect what your saying after 50 plus years a gooner. I just hope your not a plack holder, through respect for our manager and not because your to old to hold one up, lol.

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19 Mar 2017 18:38:52
I think we need new ideas from out side of the club not more insular yes men.
If Arsene had accepted outside ideas and considered alternative ways to his own very firm stubborn way of thinking both we and he might not be in the position we are today.

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19 Mar 2017 23:07:32
I agree with Welsh, I'm 34 so you've got a few more years and badges of honour than me, but AW has surely got to be afforded more respect than what is being shown. Everyone knows we need a change, including him, but he's not a Mourinho who will just walk away with nothing to hand over. He cares and wants to pass on a good team. I'm just not sure thst the players are meeting the standard. To look at them as men, 3 people looked upset at the weekend - Monreal, Ox and AW. I'd rather people give a damn about it than stroll off and have a massage.

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19 Mar 2017 09:45:26
Raver
For me if the spurs finish above us. That is a bigger shock then leics winning the title,
The race ain't finished yet,

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19 Mar 2017 21:19:47
Welsh pile into spuds finishing above us, its our only hope now. Lol.

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19 Mar 2017 07:50:37
Rumours emerging that Wenger intends signing a further one year deal. If this is true, I believe he wishes to turn things round and leave on a positive note. However, from my point of view this would further unsettle the club. I would rather he signed a 3 years deal or left at the end of this season. My gut feeling is that despite this rumour, he is going to leave, although I will contradict this by saying, as I have a French Father-in-law of the same age as Wenger and the same type of educational background, they can be extremely stubborn and thick-skinned. Hence he may decide to try and prove everyone wrong. To raver; I would worry more about the fact that Chelsea secured another 3 points and are 13 points ahead of the Toot with 10/ 11 matches remaining. Assuming you win today, Chelsea would need to drop 11 points out of the next 30 and the Toot win all 10 matches. Even in your deluded world of rusty Suburus, you know this is nigh on impossible. As you well know by now the Toot have never won the Premier League and have only won the title twice in their history, meaning that Wenger has won the title more times with Arsenal than the Toot have won it in their entire history, the last ime being 56 years ago in 1961. Yes, you may finish above us for the first time in decades, but there are no trophies for coming second and it is a nearly a decade since you won the League Cup and over quarter of a century since you last won the FA Cup. The pain at the lane just goes on.1961 and waiting.

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19 Mar 2017 08:42:53
I've said for months he won't walk away yet there is no way he'd leave us in turmoil

That's not his way.

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{Ed025's Note - NEWSFLASH!..you are already in termoil bambam..

19 Mar 2017 09:05:29
Banbury, I probably agree, but the problem now is that he appears to have lost some of the player's confidence. I believe there is a problem between Wenger and Ozil, hence why Ozil recently stated that whether he stays isn't dependent upon Wenger staying. I would like to see Wenger bow out now and appoint Henry until the end of the season, with Keown brought in to assist.

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19 Mar 2017 09:18:19
Exactly ED but Wenger will believe he can turn it around, IMO he should have gone after the last cup win.

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{Ed025's Note - i said that at the time bambam, i just hope he does,nt drag things out and leave under a cloud as that would be sad after the wonderful things he has done for the club mate..

19 Mar 2017 10:01:16
I think its a one year deal but how that helps the club now and in the future is beyond me.

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{Ed025's Note - me as well heybridge..

19 Mar 2017 10:01:53
Ed would you not take 2 fa cups and top 4 in the last 3 yrs, as a toffee
Maybe we exspect to much.
And trying to reach to far, we can easy slip and fall.

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{Ed025's Note - for most clubs i would say yes welsh, but this is arsenal mate a team who should be dining at the top table every year, cups are fine but the league and CL are the holy grails and to be honest arsenal have not been that competitive as of late..

19 Mar 2017 11:51:28
Thanks for your reply R. G., a day late but I think you were busy flying that aeroplane over west brom yesterday to reply back. I'm just glad you have admitted spurs won't be finishing 6th as you predicted earlier in the season, beep.

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19 Mar 2017 12:21:30
Then he will be here forever Banbury mate because there is no way he's going to turn this around and his only choice as i see it is walk now on a low or be pushed during his next contract when things get a whole lot worse.

Spurs Utd City Chelsea Liverpool Everton are all on the up and we are and have been on the slide for years, the players obviously don't want to play for Arsene and 50% of the fans are going to go into meltdown if he signs a new deal, as i see it there is only one chance of Arsene turning things around and leaving on a high and that's hitching a ride in the TARDIS and going back to May 2013.

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19 Mar 2017 12:48:04
The story has come from the " express " whoever they are and whether it ends up right or wrong, its utter rubbish because that's all that it writes.

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19 Mar 2017 02:25:22
Dawsons first goal, he was standing on edge of area as the corner was about to be taken.
He ran in completely unchallenged and scored.

His 2nd goal, there were 8 Arsenal players standing within 6 feet of each other, nowhere near Dawson.

You know WBA are good in the air at corners and we deploy zonal marking.
Ridiculous defending that you won't even see in Sunday League football.

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{Ed001's Note - the zonal marking is not the problem, it is the players not attacking the ball that is the issue. There should be at least one player attacking that ball from Arsenal, when it entered their zone, but there was no one, either time. Plus someone had fallen asleep and was not doing the other part of their job, which is to block off runs and make it more difficult for runners to get into the six yard box from deep.

It really doesn't matter whether you go man-to-man or zonal if the players are not doing their jobs. If you had been man-to-man then Dawson would have just been left unmarked. The result is the same.}

19 Mar 2017 05:55:26
Players want Wenger gone, they've joined the bandwagon and taken the easy route. They know Wenger no longer holds the same power he used to and he will be taking all the blame. You can't change an entire squad so obviously the manager is being kicked out of the club.

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19 Mar 2017 08:11:41
In 2006 when we went on our CL run to the final, Wenger got Martin Keown too train are defence. Due to keown's training we hold the record for consecutive clean sheets.

Why was keown told his services were no longer

Another Wenger cock up

10 more weeks and we will be free.

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19 Mar 2017 12:09:51
If that happens Mark mate i think we have to make sure we celebrate the 20 years Arsene has given this club rather a celebration of his leaving.
The first 7 years were incredibly brilliant beyond what any of us could have ever dreamed of back in 1997 when we all were asking Arsene who?

Since then he has undoubtedly slowly but surely lost his way in ways and for reasons many of us have posted about over and over especially the last 5 seasons but if Arsene really has decided to call it a day then let's unite 100% behind him one last time in celebration of all he did and all he tried to achieve for our club.
I have long been in favour of change but that doesn't stop me feeling sad about Arsene leaving and especially leaving on such a low ( if indeed he is leaving, which I'm not by any means yet convinced of)

Just because a relationship has come to it's end after a lengthy period of disagreements and dissatisfaction it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to part on the best possible terms.

If Arsene really is going let's forget all about the bad bits and concentrate 100% on not only all the fantastic memories Arsene has given us but the ones he desperately wanted a to give us and never stopped working in order to make them happen even if in the end he couldn't quite deliver them his efforts were never in question.
I don't agree with his methods and ideas but i totally respect his efforts and motivation and that's what i think we should concentrate on between now and May, IF Arsene really is walking away.

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