Arsenal Banter Archive March 19 2018

 

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19 Mar 2018 22:57:21
Luke shaw would be a good buy for next season. Is being wasted at utd. Could be monreal replacement and good competition for kolasniac. Its all about confidence if we could get the same player he was at southampton would be a bargain.

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19 Mar 2018 23:18:31
I hope he makes it wherever it may be .

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20 Mar 2018 07:07:43
I'm not certain that he has the correct mentality and hence why Mourinho is going to allow him to department, as he hasn't lived up to expectations. I belive we can get another season out of Monreal and recently Kolasinac appears to have regained his confidence and form.

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20 Mar 2018 08:42:33
Bastion schweinstwiger was Jose's first victim and Luke Shaw his second.
Jose likes to show his authority and he usailly finds someone to victimise and treat badly to demonstrate his power over players which is part of the reason he doesn't last long at clubs.
Joe Cole was Jose's favourite punch bag at Chelsea in his first spell in charge, I watched a game where Cole was outstanding and won mom award and everyone was saying how well he'd done but Mourinho tore him to shreds in his post match interview.
I spoke to my mate who is a Chelsea fan about it afterwards and he said it was just Jose trying to get him to improve even more, well it didn't work.
Pogba will be gone this summer to.

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20 Mar 2018 22:27:15
'I'm not certain that he has the correct mentality and hence why Mourinho is going to allow him to depart'

Like KDB, right? Mourinhos opinions on player are only relevant if they're in a mourinho team. His fitness is definitely worrying, but there's a reason they paid so much for him originally. Would take a punt on the cheap for sure.

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19 Mar 2018 21:59:26
Stoner,
Fantastic post earlier. Respect.

But, I guess it depends how you look at it. Has Mourinho done a good job at Utd since taking over?

I would say he has done a very good job, depending how you look at it.

Since SAF left, Moyes and LVG have been in charge. Moyes was a disaster, lasted a few months. Wring man, wrong job.

LVG took over, based on the fact he managed Ajax, Barca, Bayern and the Dutch National side, he would appear the perfect fit.

Despite winning FA Cup, his league position, just like their team performances, were poor.

Mourinho took over, finished 5th in his first season, won League Cup and Europa League, thus qualifying for Champs League.

This season, they have 4 points less than what they finished with last season, with 8 games to go, which equates to a possible 20 point swing from last season, and automatic qualification into CL.

Now, he has spent huge amounts, sold players, bought new players in, implemented his own style of play, which let's face it, is as about as entertaining as watching mould grow on your bathroom ceiling, but he has, in my opinion, been a success, thus far.

Two trophies, 3 if you count the Community shield, and a guarantee of top 4, which they have'nt managed since Fergie left, surely counts as a successful tenure?

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19 Mar 2018 23:06:50
Good post Dags mate and a very valid point of view.
2 trophies season 1
Possibly another one this season still and on course for 80 plus points in year two.
Looking purely on stats it's a good return on year 2 after taking over an extremely misfiring utd.
But that's the problem with stats they can be a very convenient method of masking the true picture.

Utd are awful to watch Pogba arrived a 100 million Superstar who will almost certainly have it on his toes this summer desperate to revive his career and former standing before he arrived, Luke Shaw? What's going on there?
Jose himself sounds more and more bizarre with every passing media interview or press conference which behind the scenes won't be impressing his bosses.
Football Stats really do so often provide a convenient diversion from reality and the reality is its anyone's guess if untied will stick or twist with Jose this summer.

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19 Mar 2018 23:41:19
Agree G62,
I honestly believe that '12' minute interview was Mourinho doing what Mourinho does best, deflecting media and fan attention from their CL exit, and getting everybody to talk about him instead.

The man is a master of deflection.

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20 Mar 2018 00:26:29
Good post dags. What do you make of the Luke Shaw situation?

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20 Mar 2018 06:54:02
Dags please don’t count charity shields.

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20 Mar 2018 07:11:21
Mourinho is an awesome manger, you only have to look at his trophy haul. He is paving the path to try and close in on Man City. To do so, he needs to jettison players that are simply not good enough or sufficiently motivated to buy into brand Mourinho. He also clearly wants the board to invest in more top talent.
When Wenger departs, in an ideal world Mourinho and Guardiola would top my list of replacement.

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20 Mar 2018 07:34:11
Thanks Dags,

Whilst I do accept he won two trophies and the reality is stats do show two trophies, Southampton were robbed of a perfectly good goal and pretty much outplayed United the whole game and the young guys at Ajax just never turned up.

It’s also widely accepted the easiest ever start to a season allowed them to gain points and momentum which has clearly helped. When we played them a win would have put us 1 point ahead of them but Mourinho did his usual and we duly fell over ourselves to hand it to them on a plate. They’ve since beaten Chelsea and Liverpool so whilst no mugs they are not what you’d take to be a United side.

I think the Chelsea exit was the beginning of his down fall, he’s never been the same and only desperation on Uniteds side, in my opinion, saw him get that job.

I listed 23 players brought in since Fergie left and whilst they were not all there when Mourinho arrived he’s added another £300 million pounds worth, including 2 record signings.

You look at what Pep has done and it’s literally chalk and cheese, where would United be under Mourinho without De Gea, probably down with us.

They don’t really even look like a team, let alone a United team and in honestly any half decent manager could have improved on the hapless Moyes and LVG having spent the money he has.

With his reputation and winning record they should be doing so so much better but I really don’t think he has that special touch anymore, much like Wenger.

I honestly believe he’s not deflecting from his team but from himself.

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20 Mar 2018 08:08:22
One Thing is for Sure he can not and should not ever be Arsenal manager ever.
Steve Mclaren or Arsene Wenger? Tough one
Tim Sherwood or Arsene Wenger? Another tough one
But Jose Mourinho or Arsene Wenger? It's Arsene every time for me.

I want change desperately but not at the cost of Mourinho replacing Arsene that would be going to far.
Sacking Arsene would not be an insult or disrespectful after all he's done and been for the club it would just be a sad but necessary only course of action left open to the club given Arsenes refusal to do the right thing for the club himself.
But replacing him with the man who has gone out of his way to belittle him for years would be the ultimate insult niether Arsene or Arsenal deserve.
Relegation before Mourinho for me.

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20 Mar 2018 08:21:56
Fair reply Stoner.

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20 Mar 2018 22:32:45
Considering they are the richest club in the world and keep making record signings, you'd expect entertainment at least. 2nd place is still the best of the rest, though, he's certainly steadied their demise and i imagine the next manager at OT might find himself in a pretty sweet position, as long as mou doesn't stay beyond the end of next season and drive that squad away.

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19 Mar 2018 20:01:49
Equal pay for women as men for doing the equivalent job.
The bbc and itv are under pressure as are many supermarkets and other industries.
John Mcenroe earns 150,000 for Wimbledon fortnight while Marina Navratilova gets 15,000 for the same two weeks work.
Is football immune?
Will Arsenal be allowed to pay Mesut 350k a week and a female player £500?

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{Ed033's Note - People shouldn't use the word 'equivalent' unless it is equivalent. There's multiple factors usually involved, which makes 2 people's job not equivalent. In your examples it's market forces probably being the most important factor. If we all stopped watching male football and started watching female football, then the female player would earn a lot more and Mesut would earn a lot less.

19 Mar 2018 20:26:15
Is or was Navratilova doing the same job and as many hours as Big Mac. Is she as good at her job as him, is it unequal. There is equal and there is equal. Women tennis players get same prize money as men, they play less sets, is that equal?

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{Ed033's Note - Good points steve, 40 - love, i think.

19 Mar 2018 20:45:27
Ed, i don't get all this equal stuff at all, what's equal. People get paid for their ability, popularity, brains, braun and many other things. We aren't equal.

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{Ed033's Note - Exactly steve.

19 Mar 2018 21:23:58
Too much political correctness now
The world was a lot better place when women bought up their own kids and taught them manners and respect. kids fear nothing Now,
I'd pay them to stay at home and bring up their own kids properly
Am I allowed say that these days.

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{Ed033's Note - you should be able to say that Leahy

19 Mar 2018 21:53:25
I think when it comes down to sport and TV it is very much star appeal that dictates the pay scale.
Adele is worth much more per appearance than most male pop stars and Oprah Winfrey and male chat show host that's just the way it is.
But in everyday life inequality between genders is still comon place and now the balls rolling ancient high profile I'm pretty sure it's going to stretch very far and wide.

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19 Mar 2018 22:39:22
Are the viewing figures the same for Women’s / Men’s finals?

Wimbledon took the less controversial option and led the way with equal pay

Are the commentators BBC employees or subcontractors open to market forces?

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19 Mar 2018 20:27:46
I totally agree with market forces argument Ed033 mate, diffrent people in front of the camera have different viewer attraction, how much is going to be the argument in my opinion.

Would a court deem Mesut to be worthy of 700 x that of a woman player both employed by Arsenal?

Could be interesting in the years ahead and I think we will end up with pay grades in all jobs that are transparent and throughout an industry from the very top to the bottom run too.

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{Ed033's Note - Hopefully political correctness won't get in the way too much.

19 Mar 2018 23:14:58
So do I on society. children and young adults are out of hand now.
No respect, bad attitudes, No one to answer to. i blame the parenting.
And I have 3 daughters
I live with 4 women and we all get on great, the most of the time.

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19 Mar 2018 23:26:17
12 it would be good if we lived in a society where mum or dad could work around the children but unfortunately many households in modern Britain with 2 people working 40 hours on minimum wage still rely on food banks to survive. One wage pays the rent while the other has to feed clothe and pay the bills for the family.
At grass roots thus is the real problem for both genders.

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19 Mar 2018 23:47:19
The whole pay inequality is complete codswallop. Based on the same rules every male footballer playing in leagues 1 and 2 should get the same salary as premiership players, as they do exactly the same job. However we all know why they don't, because they are not as good.

Same goes for women's football, both from a commercial perspective, and from outright skill. In fact if I was a semi-pro male footballer I would be majorly peed off if I found that any female footballer was earning significantly more, seeing as any part time male football team would absolutely destroy any top female team. If people want a reminder of how big the gap is in quality, play Wimbledon as a mixed competition and see how many female players make it through to week 2. I would put my life savings on it being a big fat zero.

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19 Mar 2018 23:52:51
62 I agree with you, it's a hard one. my wife does a few hours when the kids are at school. but I see young teenage kids round where I live picking on the weaker people, old people and it does my head in, I've had a few words with some of them but i try to mind my own business .

I know some of their parents, but the parents don't give a toss. My child wasn't there or my child wouldn't do that.
No respect for their parents, and vice versa so what do you do.
Then they moan there's nothing to do, There's loads to do,
My 3 play football, dance, play music.
But their parents are too lazy to bring them to these places putting time in to them.
I sacrifice going out, doing things that I like to do so that my kids can do these things.

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{Ed033's Note - Possibly a lot of parents think they can let the schools do the parenting. Not a good idea from my point of view.

20 Mar 2018 07:14:31
Perhaps McEnroe is simply better at his job than Navratilova or his agent negotiated a better deal.
I have always believed that the best person for the job should get it, irrelevant of gender, race, etc.
Of course if a man and a woman do exactly the same job, such as a cashier at a bank, then they should be aid the same salary.

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20 Mar 2018 09:03:34
12 I hear what you are saying mate but an awful lot of people just don't have the luxury of being able to work around their children mate, just surviving is a dialy weekly monthly battle.
When you are able to spoil your kids now and then as we all like to its much easier to be tough on them when they step out of line but when you are carrying around a ton of guilt for all you can't give them and working so hard neither of you can give them the time and attention you'd love to it rally is tough for people mate.
I'm not making excuses for people but low wages and crazy private rent rates are putting an awful lot of families in Britain under unacceptable strain.
For private landlords want to charge more and more yet give poorer and poorer accommodation in return and bosses want to offer 0 hours contracts on minimum wage but expect workers to jump at their will.
It's realy tough out thier for an awful lot 2 parent families both working full time through necessity rather than choice mate.

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Justin Kluivert - The Dutch prodigy

19 Mar 2018 17:54:43
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Is Jose Mourinho doing a good job at Manchester United

19 Mar 2018 12:41:23
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19 Mar 2018 14:43:34
It seems with his recent ridiculous press conferences and the international break, that Mourinho has made himself and United news 24/ 7 which I’m sure he loves.

It’s funny that I’ve seen a lot of United fans say that Pep inherited a better squad than that which Mourinho inherited. I personally don’t believe that for one minute.

When Pep took over City, he had Kompany, Otamendi, De Bruyne, Silva, Aguero Delph, Fernandinho and Sterling. Many on here only rated 3 of those 7 players. He had others like Hart, Mangala, Sagna, Clichy, Kolarov, Jesus, Nolito, Toure Demechilis, Zabaleta, Bony and more who were not good enough. Many on here described them as ageing and that they would win nothing.

Mourinho on the other hand had De Gea, Shaw (England’s future left back) Darmian (much celebrated Italian right back) Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Valencia, Young, Blind along with Fellaini, Herrera (lauded by many) Mata, Lingard, Schneiderlin, Janujaz, Depay, Rashford, Martial, Rooney and Schweinstiger.

All of these players a lot of United fans were more than happy with and were, going forward, to most of you much better than the ageing City squad and that’s how that City squad was described, ageing.

So for me this Pep inherited a better squad, is total rubbish.

If you also look at all the signings since Fergie left, Matic, Pogba, Lukaku, Lindelof, Herrera, Shaw, Darmian, Di Maria, Falcao, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Ibrahimovic, Mata, Bailly, Mkhitaryan, Martial, Depay, Blind, Rojo, Zaha, Sanchez, Varela and Fellaini, that’s 23 players, I may even have missed some.

Shouldn’t that group have made an amazing team, shouldn’t you now be in a position, as City now are, that you’re just adding a couple of quality players each season.

I cannot fathom how you are where you are, yes I appreciate your League position, but I’m talking as a club. How have you managed to get so many things wrong since SAF left, you are one of, if not the biggest club in world football, certainly the richest but it’s like you’re a headless chicken.

I’ve been amazed that you’ve failed to attract the best in players and manager, after his dismal exit from Chelsea, I couldn’t believe you’d employed him in the first place.

City, yes they have money, are the ones making all the right decisions, yes they’re not immune from bad signings, an example being Mangala, but even when they appeared to lose out on Sanchez, I’m not convinced the needed him, they didn’t hang around, they went out and brought a defender many on your page, including your good self wanted at United and I’m talking about Laporte.

I just don’t see where you are going with him, right now I see City and Liverpool as the top 2 with Spurs and Chelsea, who under Abramovich, will always be there, just below them and yourselves wallowing around like us until your owner and board switch on and start getting things right.

Oliver Holts piece in the mail summed Mr Mourinho up perfectly. He should be nowhere near your club.

You also mentioned Lukaku, do you think he would even get in the City or Liverpool side, I don’t for a minute and where would you be in comparison to Liverpool if they had De Gea.

I’m sure you have enough talent there to do better but do you personally think, without bias, that any of your squad would make the City first team under Pep and I’ll include De Gea in that because whilst he’s an incredible shot stopper can he fill the whole role required by Pep.

Mourinho for me was a big mistake, nothing has gone as you’d have hoped since Fergie and we are soon to step into that situation, the saving grace for us being we were not regularly winning titles.

There are managers out there who are capable of winning things for your club playing the football associated with United and your current incumbent is not one of them. I don’t ever see him winning the big prizes with United.

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19 Mar 2018 19:04:15
Good post I agree with your every word about Jose.
But stoner who have you on that arsenal team that would get in United's first 11.
Things must be bad there cause I wouldn't take one of them.

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19 Mar 2018 19:33:46
Bellerin, Auba, Laca, Ozil and I would have thought Holding

Would you take Sanchez?

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19 Mar 2018 19:46:07
That’s a good question Leahy, I’d probably go De Gea, Bellerin, Bailly, Koscielny, Kolasinac, Matic, Ozil, Ramsey, Myki, Aubameyang and Rashford with neither of our managers but one who’d get the best from them.

I’d swap Pogba for Ramsey but I’ve yet to see how good Pogba’s supposed to be.

Koscielny is getting on but not sure if any of yours are better. I’ve gone with Rashford over Sanchez on form and that he’s so ill disciplined. I think it’s a close call on most positions bar De Gea.

Subs: Romero, Martial, Lindelof, Mata, Lacazette, Monreal, McTominay, Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku. I realise that’s slightly to many subs. 😁.

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19 Mar 2018 20:13:04
I missed off Rambo!

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19 Mar 2018 20:42:10
But there lays a problem 12, there aren't many of your players that i would want either. Most of them are overrated and over priced gorillas. De Gea obviously but none of your defence compared to other teams would i want, none of your gorillas in midfield i would want, lakaku is vastly overated and i would take Ozil over mata any day of the week.

Martial, Lingard and Rashford are wasted under samourino but i would take any of them especially Rashford and Martial. You have paid way over the odds for players that are just not as good as at citeh, liverpool, chelski, and toots. I would pick my team from any of them over United.

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19 Mar 2018 20:53:22
Sam has even messed up sanchez. I dodnt want him to go but pn present form i wouldn't want him back, especially on the dumb ass wages he's on. Pogbas got a monk on over that and sams bullying shaw. Your manager is taking you nowhere and i love it.

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19 Mar 2018 21:09:25
Jeez boys anyone would think you were 20 odd points ahead of us.
Could we stick Keane and viera in the middle.

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Johan Cruyff

19 Mar 2018 11:20:20
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new player profile about, Johan Cruyff

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19 Mar 2018 12:40:11
Fantastic player, I remember Arsenal being linked with signing him at one time and being really excited about the possibility of him coming to us.
Only 48 international caps? Wow I'm shocked by that.

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{Ed001's Note - he retired early as I will explain in the Legends article on him.}

19 Mar 2018 13:53:51
Oh ok I didn't realise he had a short career, I just remember him playing for Ajax Barcelona and of course Holland along with Johnny Rep and Johan Naskins ( not sure about spellings :-)

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19 Mar 2018 14:48:01
I loved him, one of my favourite players, it’s amazing what he did afterwards as a manager too. Totally transformed Barcelona and Ajax.

He names Guardiola in his dream 11 as his defensive midfielder too but didn’t put himself in it.

I watched the ‘74 final and was gutted they didn’t win it.

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19 Mar 2018 14:53:21
Ah yes Ed001 I remember the 1974 world cup fairly well :-) Gerd Muller Jersey Gorgan Revalino Francisco Marino plus Cruyff and co.
1970 is a bit beyond me though :-)

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19 Mar 2018 15:16:45
Growing up Cruyff was my idol.
However, the best player I ever witnessed was Maradonna.
G62, being a year older than you I recall the 1970 World Cup Finals! I have two amazing Panini books, with illustrations of all the World Cup Sticker books, which I recall collecting. Great memories.
The Dutch team of 1974 was truly amazing and inspired the way I tried to play football. I remember trying the Cruyff turn in the playground on many occassions!

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19 Mar 2018 16:19:40
Hi RG mate, I remember the 1970 world cup coins people got from Esso petrol stations :-) they were the same size as a 10p and worked a treat in our electric meter :-) .
When the man came to empty the meter he just deducted them off my parents rebate and gave us them back again, they got us out of many a midweek dark winters night when skint before pay day :-) .
I saw Maradona at Wembley in 78/ 79 England v Argentina just after they'd won the world cup and Maradona was the 17 or 18 year old everyone was talking about, I remember him beating 3 England players in as many yards and narrowly missing the goal with his shot, every England fans gasped at his brilliance and applauded him wishing it had gone in. Unbelievable talent.

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{Ed001's Note - it is nice having you old folk reminiscing, makes me feel young again.}

19 Mar 2018 16:52:11
G62 - I still have that Esso collection! I made my poor dad visit take us out for a drive to the local Esso petrol station! I must get the Esso collection out, it is on a blue board, arranged in a circle, with players such as Colin Bell, Brian Labone, etc.

Ed001! Yes, we really are that old! We are so old we remember the Toot getting relegated, but not old enough to have been alive when they last won the league! Where is raver61 when you need him!

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{Ed001's Note - I actually remember those coin collections when I was very little, I think it was 1982 but could have been 86 rather than the ones you are talking about though. I was born in a great year, obviously I am lucky as the year I was born is the last time Man Utd were relegated!}

19 Mar 2018 17:56:34
I think they relaunched the coins again for the 86 world cup but they never took off as well as in 1970, the gas and electric meters had gone over to 50p peices by then and Esso failed to follow suit with its coins :-)
Anyone remember Back Home being in the charts? I do :-)
I think it was a close battle between the England song and Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep for no1 spot :-)

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Review Of The Day 19th March 2018

19 Mar 2018 05:55:19
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