Arsenal Banter Archive September 19 2015

19 Sep 2015 22:07:05
Its been a heated day all round today and I think quite a few of us have said things in a way we didn't quite mean them and to anyone and everyone I may of over stepped the mark with today I would just like to apologise to.
It will all look better tomorrow night everyone try not to nightmare's :-)

20 Sep 2015 08:47:35
Apology not needed mate.

20 Sep 2015 10:44:33
Accepted G62 :)

Sorry it came

19 Sep 2015 21:18:51
I mean, I guess as a silver lining, it was nice to see we have a player who's a bit of a nutter too.

I'm not defending how Gabriel acted today, but we've lacked a player with bite for a long time and that's often been an issue, we're too nice at times.

Gabriel, as we can all agree, was silly today, but you can't label him a bad defender just off that, if anything, I'd say he's been our best centre half this season so far!

20 Sep 2015 13:53:33
Yeah. A touch of Flamini's attitude and spirit - just not past his best yet.

19 Sep 2015 20:36:27
My take on today if it gets posted, tried to earlier and never got on. So here goes. Mike dean is a blind t****r and his linemen are not much better, but yet again we are naive to the point of loonesy. Yet again we pander to a defeat when there is a bit of heat and it means something. Yet again we fail to score first in a big game, and the heat is on. Yet again we look like schoolboys ( sorry school boys) when we don't defend set pieces. Yet again ozil hides in a big game. Yet again we defend like rabbits in headlights and panic, not control a situation. As a club we fail to act like the top club we profess to be from the bottom to the top. Will wenger be drinking tonight to drown his sorry sorrows, or will he be celebrating all the money we have made this year and salting it away like an arrogant miser that he is. Funny he said we don't need a striker, he said we don't need a central defender, he said we don't need a holding midfielder, well matey boy in the space of two weeks yet again your judgement is wrong. You said we are good enough to challenge for the big trophies the big clubs crave for, well your judge is wrong. We have the potential to be a big club but we are pretending with wenger holding us back oh and the board. We have a fourth place mentality and we won't shake it off with the present set up.

{Ed025's Note - i dont usually agree with you steve, but i can see why you think like that after today mate..

19 Sep 2015 20:58:15
Agreeed

19 Sep 2015 21:00:23
Totally agree, there's no hiding from the fact we just aren't good enough

Nobody should be surprised the week we've had given the failings in the transfer window, with a proper world class striker we would have smashed Stoke 5/6's last week gone into the champions league game full of confidence and given Chelsea to think about this week
If I was Jose watching Arsenals last 2 games I wouldn't have worried in the slightest about playing us, play you own game get a bit physical and we are your pocket and there isn't a plan b so nothing to worry about there either

Everything about us on and off the field is predictable

19 Sep 2015 21:01:55
Nothing to do with Steve's perfectly legitimate post, but I just wanted to apologise for the upset I caused earlier. I have enjoyed some great banter with Ed25 in my short time on this site, and clearly he felt I had stepped way over the line. And I can understand why. I have a twisted sense of humour, and that can be lost in text on a screen. But that is not an excuse. Clearly my post offended greatly and I should have known better. To Fuser who was clearly affected by it, if you say the word I will never post on here again.

{Ed025's Note - a lot of things get said in the heat of the moment UG, but we have to be careful what gets printed on the pages and sometimes things cross the line, i dont want to sound patronising but im glad you realized your faux pas and were big enough to apologise..

19 Sep 2015 21:04:51
I agree with you on much of this post Steve so much is wrong with our mentality and Arsene's approach to spending and has been for years, we are still living on the invincibles and banging on about what we used to be like spurs fans clutching at the European trophy count from days long past.
But today I thought we were the better side in the opening 15 and although Chelsea edged the first half up until the sending off were looking good for a result, I was far from unhappy up until the 43rd minute.
But overall we are living in the past like Coventry fans still talking about Keith Houchins Wembley winner.
Ed will know better but I don't think Everton fans still bang on about the Howard Kendall years like do the invincibles constantly comparing everything and everyone to them.

19 Sep 2015 21:42:17
I understand that it wasn't intentional Ubistonk, but it did touch a nerve as I have Jewish heredity. No need to stop posting on my account, but try to keep things in a little bit of context next time, as it was only one game out of 38, in a season which you likely won't remember much of next year. But apology accepted, let's move on and I look forward to battling for 4th place with you guys =]

{Ed025's Note - well done fuser..

19 Sep 2015 19:25:31
5 goals in just 6 PL games is a massive concern

Man City play right into Jose hands , losing at home to W Ham

BIG BIG credit to W Ham , they did us , won at Liverpool and now at M City

19 Sep 2015 19:44:07
We are all disappointed today but just imagine how poor old Derby's feeling tonight?

19 Sep 2015 21:36:26
Is that the club or the man.

19 Sep 2015 18:29:18
Ohhhh its always poor referring isn't it , Gabs should know better IMO

The sending off of Santi was right .

11 v 11 and we still wouldn't have won.........the paper in the morning will still read 2-0 and again we lose to Chelsea, the boss is in charge of discipline end of.

19 Sep 2015 19:03:08
But you were telling everybody we should play Gabriel?

19 Sep 2015 19:12:47
As he was with the likes of Petit Vieira keowen Dixon etc, none of us know what the result would have been 11 v 11 or if Sanchez had finished his wonderful chance.
There literally 100s of things to slate Arsene for but not tdays result or the 3 red cards this week or even Le Coq landing awkwardly or the reflection off Chambers or the officials getting the Costa decision so badly wrong, its not often I find myself defending Wenger because he does my nut in most of the of the time but I honestly thought we gave a very decent account of ourselves against the premier league champions in their back yard for the 43 minutes of 11 v 11 and showed a lot more bottle with 10 men today than we have on fa too many occasions in the past to count with 11.

19 Sep 2015 19:21:23
And he was right Ubi to say that too, Gabriel let himself get involved with trash but that doesn't mean he's suddenly become rubbish himself, he stuck up for Kos and up to Costa I make him an asset personally

20 Sep 2015 16:27:30
Banbury it was the refs fault not anyone else's. The ref is the responsible adult on the field.

Also Banbury it would be highly beneficial if you just joined in. So put your fingers in your ears and drift back off to when we last won the title and sing very loudly so no one can spoil those lovely thoughts.

Lalalala we're going to win the league

19 Sep 2015 17:55:29
Wenger has described Costa's behavior as disgusting n mmourinho's response will be that wenger's record is disgusting and our fans will lap it up and go after Wenger..

19 Sep 2015 14:53:00
Costa has nothing to do with us losing I'm afraid Arsene Wenger has.

Wenger gambled big time in the week by 'resting' players , instead it back fired hugely we had 10 men running their legs off which clearly showed today . We should have got a morale boosting away win to bring confidence into today's game .

Those that were tested in the week didn't look any different .

As it is two defeats in two , three men sent off .

The Jose sign over Wenger continues

Good sportsmanship at the Arsene by the way

19 Sep 2015 15:07:24
Yep spot on there Banbury

Who makes a decision to take off a defensive player like Le Coq when you are already weakened in defence, it's mind boggling how bad Wengers decision making is at times

19 Sep 2015 15:26:56
Le coq had picked up an injury and dint want to aggrevate it, please go back and check the match before commenting 1404. sometime i wonder people just wanna find a place to slagg off wo any facts

19 Sep 2015 15:52:13
Ridiculous comments guys. You're just looking for things to moan about. Coq picked up a injury anyone watching would know that.

19 Sep 2015 15:55:59
Good substitutions. He wasn't afraid to take Sanchez off who's had a poor start to the season n ozil.

19 Sep 2015 15:59:24
Terribly sorry, Wenger hasn't put a foot wrong in years
I stand corrected

19 Sep 2015 16:40:09
Well that's not even slightly what he's said. Fair enough Wenger has made some poor decisions in the past and potentially in this game. But taking le coq off when he quite clearly had a problem is not one of them.

I think most people agree costa should have been sent off but he wasn't and who knows where the game would have gone. I think this is a game to just move on from and put down to both a poor refereeing decision and poor decision from Gabriel.

19 Sep 2015 16:59:08
I never mentioned Le Coq

My point is the rest did no good whatsoever and I have to say we weren't billiant at anytime in the game .

WESLEY
The reason why Sanchez has had a poor start is because...................yep, he played all summer and had no rest at all because??? we couldn't afford to rest him because we haven't got strength in depth

19 Sep 2015 17:32:52
Try and actually watch what happens in a game of football instead of already writing your pointless anti Wenger post and then waiting to hit send. Get a new agenda guys. Watch the game 11 v 11, they are not getting within light years of scoring.

19 Sep 2015 17:53:26
18 months ago we got truely embarrassed at Stamford Bridge and Wengers naivety was 100% to blame for it, people can argue with that all they want but it won't make it less true.
Today 11 v 11 we were dangerous on the attack and solid at the back and even 10 v 11 we occasionally looked like equalising 9 v 10? Well even then we looked better than the team that was 4 0 down after 19 mins two seasons back.
Personally today I thought it was a fantastic match for 43 minutes with the home side having ever so slightly the better of a excellent game, no shame there for Wenger or us.
Today was not Wenger's fault, many many things have been in the past and still are now but not todays result wasn't.

19 Sep 2015 18:16:13
This week Wenger has got a lot of stick for Wednesday and now today. I can see what you're don't get me wrong everyone has a opinion. But for me he rested players for today Wednesday. That team for me was more than capable of winning. They let us down not arsene. And today some terrible referring let us Down. We was defending well before that. I just feel people have to let go of the whole transfer business and get behind our team. Seems to me a lot of people are sitting behind their keyboards waiting for someone to come up so the can use it as a dig at Wenger.

19 Sep 2015 14:41:12
What a joke. Diego will try that every time. It's shame on Gabriel for falling for it. Wengers time is over. A mother wasted summer transfer period theo was non existent

19 Sep 2015 15:07:20
Yes, Gabriel shouldn't of reacted the way he did (though if I'm honest, I'm slightly happy to know we've got a player with some fire in him) but at the same time, Costa shouldn't of been on the pitch for him to react to.
Did you see the scratches on Gab's neck?
Who scratches?!

But, commenting on Costa's should and should haven'ts could be said to be irrelevant.
What annoyed me, was originally it was Kos he messed with, Gabriel came across and broke out the old Latin blood, started going in.
Yes, the player should control himself, but why wasn't Koscielny pulling him back?
Or Cech?
Or especially Santi?
Captain today, easier to communicate seen as Gab speaks better Spanish and Portuguese than he does English, Santi should of been having a word, 'come on lad, just let it slide'
Instead, they just let him go.

{Ed002's Note - I would rather doubt 'come on lad, just let it slide' would translate well in to Spanish.}

19 Sep 2015 15:46:24
I like to think I'm a man of the world ed, but unfortunately I only speak one language and my advice would of stretched to saying calm down loudly and slowly like so many other fools.

Hopefully Santi would of know what to say!

19 Sep 2015 12:46:53
Happy with line up - plenty pace and runners

Need big game from Ozil

19 Sep 2015 12:57:07
Opening 10 minutes are the best I've seen at Chelsea for yeaes, vast vast improvement on recent visits.

19 Sep 2015 13:39:39
No matter the end result today, I just want to say that Costa is a disgrace of a player. I'm not justifying Gabriel's actions but surely the FA could look at what led to his reaction.

{Ed002's Note - No, they won't be doing any such thing.}

19 Sep 2015 13:47:30
Should be banned for the rest of the season for that pathetic display, as should his manager and the rest of the chelsea team who surround the ref screaming every single game.

{Ed002's Note - Whining and bitching like a prepubescent girl won't help. Move on.}

19 Sep 2015 13:50:25
I desperately want to see Arsenal as a,competitive force again but I'd rather be relegated than ever have players like Costa at Arsenal, for some its all part of the game but not for me.

19 Sep 2015 13:52:46
Ten years of watching mounrinho teams cheat constantly ed, it's insane that he's never been punished for it.

{Ed002's Note - What an absolutely stupid remark.}

19 Sep 2015 14:02:29
Agree G62, definitely for me that's something I hate to see and wish wasn't part of the game, but it is and has been from the beginning and we have to live with it.

You could see from a mile off after they had both been booked it was going to happen. We had no one in our team with enough experience or initiative to notice the situation and drag Gabriel away.

Extremely disappointing from Gabriel but it happens and I think let's move on

19 Sep 2015 14:11:24
Everybody knows what Costa is, if you let him get to you he wins, all Gabriel had to do was ignore it and walk away so I've got no sympathy for him tbh

19 Sep 2015 14:28:28
Loved the poor poor me act as Costa came off . Class acting!

19 Sep 2015 14:30:57
Ed02,

I do not often disagree with you, but instead of being one man up on the three bookable offences before Gab even came over, arsenal were one man down and arsenal should feel aggrieved.

Mike Dean got it wrong and his assistants share the blame for that.

When Mike Dean sees the replay of the match he will agree as well. I am not sure what your beef with Lemons comments are.

{Ed002's Note - Gabriel kicked out at another player deliberately. It is sending off offence. The fact that the referee missed something else is entirely irrelevant.

19 Sep 2015 14:54:27
Irrelevant? It is totally relevant. Costa should have been sent off! that's clear to see by the linesman and the ref.

{Ed002's Note - You are presumably some sort of halfwit.}

19 Sep 2015 15:07:38
I agree Gab should not have been sucked in and his ban should stand, but Costa should already have been off.

If the FA cannot ban him for the unsighted hands to face x2 then what point is there in having retroactive bans?

Dean should have either sent Costa off in the first instance, sent them both off when they initiated hand to chest contact after getting the yellows, separated the players and warned them (thus allowing time to cool down), or done nothing and spoken to both managers at halftime to ensure things did not boil over; but instead he ruined the game as a contest.

It was a masterclass in ineffective refereeing from Dean and I am not sure how the kick out is worse than Diego showing dissent and initiating physical contact with Gab after receiving the yellow (ie if the minor contact kick out is a yellow so is the hand contact - as it was done immediately after receiving a yellow, with intent to escalate a violent confrontation).

So I respect you and your opinion ed02, I just do not agree this time. Costa should and likely will be banned retroactively as Dean cannot have seen the hands to face or Costas putting his hands on Gabs chest. It does not help Arsenal but it should still be done.

{Ed002's Note - The referee booked him - it was dealt with during the game. Try to go through life without looking for others to blame - suck it up and move on. Whining like this is an embarrassment.}

19 Sep 2015 15:11:50
Gab was stupid but if Costa was off it would not have even happened
Costa is a cheat and CFC players surrounding the ref is a joke
I am not saying Gab was not stupid - he was and rightly sent off but with good Reffing, that passAge of play would not have existed

19 Sep 2015 16:57:58
Ed02,

At the end of the day it's just a game, and only one of 38, your opinion has a place as do Arsenal fans' opinions. My life does not end if Arsenal lose, even if I feel the referee's decision may have impacted on the outcome.

I do not agree with you nor will I ever convince you to my point of view.

My view is partisan about Arsenal, so perhaps I am not objective enough to honestly assess Dean's performance and you may be better placed with your comments.

I do not want to get banned (but do as you feel you must) I do have a couple comments:

1. Blaming other people in life - if that was meant to make this about me as an individual, I am a bit offended as I was commenting on Mike Dean's performance as a referee - if it was a mantra to live by, I generally agree;

2. I am not Arsenal F.C., the manager, the Board of Directors, a player, or a shareholder, I am a fan of Arsenal, I do not directly impact the outcome of the game, and, therefore, I cannot take the blame for their poor performances or the credit for their good performances;

3. In general, that lies at the feet of the Arsenal Players and their manager and in Zagreb and many other places I have agreed that they were their own undoing by not playing at the requisite level or making stupid decisions;

4. What I believe is, that a referee's job is to ensure a fair contest, enforce the rules of the game,and adequately manage situations in a neutral way;

5. Here is where you and I diverge, Mike Dean did not handle the situation leading up to the sending-off well, it was his job to handle it well, and because he did not handle it well it impacted on the outcome of the game. Mike Dean as a referee (not a person, he may be a great guy) is subject to criticism for his poor refereeing (much like I am subject to suit if I am negligent at my job or criticism if I do my job poorly but not negligently);

6. You are right, it does not excuse what Gab did. He should be banned, but it should have never gotten to that point; and

7. Taken literally, your "not blaming everyone else in life" would mean if you needed your left leg amputated and you consulted a surgeon and then he cut off your right leg - that you should not be blame. The real mantra has to be, "do not blame others for what you can control," and "do blame others for failing to do what is required of them". What was required of Mike Dean was to properly control the game, in my view, he did not. You may disagree, but I do not think I am wrongly blaming him for something in my control or the Arsenal players control. I am blaming him for what he should be blamed for - poor refereeing.

{Ed002's Note - (1) Dean missed something; so what? It happens every week. (2) Then don't try and blame the referee when Arsenal lose. (3) I am sure they know they could have done better in Croatia. (4) He missed some stuff - Costa scratching, a couple of Chelsea penalties - it is unimportant, don't keep up this petulant grousing - it really is an embarrassment. (5) So Dean got it wrong - why are you going on and on about it? Why are you not going on about the penalties he didn't give? Why don't you tease him about his accent? Or the fact he is losing his hair? Move on. (6) "Should never have got to that point" is a ridiculous statement. (7) Your analogy is nonsense. The rest of the paragraph is you not being able to let go of your need to blame someone - as I said, it is all embarrassing to read.}

19 Sep 2015 12:00:33
Why is wenger so persistant about playing players out of position? Does my head in, Rambo is not a winger nor is ozil.

Chambo should of got the nod for this game so we can hit them with pace n power.

Massive game this one, let's be greedy and get ourselves 3 points

Coyg

19 Sep 2015 12:22:27
Jose has gone back to Ivanovic and changed the team from midweek. I would now expect Chelsea to lose and Arsenal to win. Whatever happens we can safely blame our managers.

19 Sep 2015 12:25:03
I agree to an extent, but since the start of the season or the last few games, the ox hasn't had the same impact. And at the moment I feel this is our best team.

Obviously there is the case for giving the ox a run of games, like giving walcott a run of games. But as I said for me this is our best team at the moment.

And other than the ox, our bench is poor.

19 Sep 2015 12:26:36
I agree Ox and Theo would have caused more problems and let's face it the Ox is far form a luxury player he puts in a shift both in attack and defence.
Ramsey Le Coq will happen at some stage this season I'm sure of it

19 Sep 2015 13:49:36
Just think Rambo's wasted out there, going to be difficult for us now lads

19 Sep 2015 09:06:39
gutted coronation street wasn't on last night......... Bloody rugby

19 Sep 2015 09:56:20
Is Any Turtle still in it?

18 Sep 2015 22:32:33
Will Arsene and José shake hands tomorrow?

More chance of Ed025 getting a round in.

Only joking mate.

{Ed001's Note - you must be as there is no chance of that happening, though Jose and Arsene might shake hands.}

19 Sep 2015 08:10:27
That is more of a possibility Ed :-)

{Ed001's Note - the last time Ed025 got his wallet out, it was to change notes over to the 'new-fangled' decimal system.}

19 Sep 2015 13:26:39
Lol 001

{Ed001's Note - he had double glazing fitted to stop the kids hearing the ice cream van coming round.}