Arsenal Banter Archive December 01 2014

01 Dec 2014 23:15:15
If wenger decide to leave will a new manager bring immediate success to Arsenal?

If you offered the board 50m profit and finish 4th or win premier league at a 20m loss. What will the board choose?

Wenger is under lots of pressure, he's expected to bring success by the fans but expected to do it by a budget smaller than his rivals. How many managers can really achieve this? Clubs like Liverpool and spurs sold their best players and got to spend the money the received yet have gone backwards. We sold rvp, fabregas and nasri in such a short time yet stayed pretty consistent.

The problem arsenal have is the board. We are run like a business not a football club. A football club has to put their fans first rather then the pound signs. It isn't a coincidence that when dein left that our success has dried up. We need someone to control arsenal who actually cares about the club and the fans.

If wenger leaves the reality is we still be a top 4 club. Whoever takes charge will have the same issues wenger has had. Players will leave because we won't pay them what other clubs will pay them (nasri, rvp, sagna) money won't be invested in the club when we really need it. Aslong as the club keeps making profit they won't be any pressure from the board hence why wenger has been in charge for so long.

I have no doubt in my mind that wenger really loves the club and wants to bring success, but we will always stay a top four club unless their big changes in the board. Whoever takes over will have their hands tied. Profit first and they don't care about the rest

{Ed025's Note - good read that noodles..

01 Dec 2014 23:34:42
Good post noodles.

In fact, Spurs sold one player (Bale) and have gone downhill and Liverpool have also sold one player (Mr Nibbles) and have gone even further downhill.

Apart from recently, we sold a major player (or players) every season, but still maintained our status quo of finishing 4th and CL qualification.

We do compete with the big clubs our finances now are such, that every club has to run as a business, even chelski and sheik city. I will put this question to everyone. If we had not bought, ozil and sancez ( all hypothetical of course) and we invested 80 mil on a defensive midfielder and a center back of similar standing in world football. Do you think ( forgetting injuries) we would be better off today, as far as fighting for the league, with the players we have.

Fine post Noodles,

I feel a lot of Wenger haters out there are oblivious to the way our club is run at board level. We are the definition of of a sporting business rather than a sports club. I envy the way clubs like Dortmund and Bayern are run with the fans at the forefront of everything from the top level of the club to the bottom level.

I said it before we really need to shake things up from the top to the bottom. And on a side note our ticket prices are really getting to me. When I look at what other elite European clubs pay to watch the club they love it makes my blood boil.

02 Dec 2014 00:48:29
Don't forget, Noodles. We did spend in excess of £80m in the summer, include Ozil and that's upwards of £120 million in the space of a calendar year, and that is without selling any key players. The club will always be run like a business but, to me, our recent spending suggests that we are ready to start running as a title and champions league challenging club.

I can't help but agree that our success dried up after David Dein's departure, we were so much more ruthless in the transfer market and Dein always ensured that we got our man, regardless of fee or wages. Nowadays we're happy to waste time trying to negotiate a better deal that ultimately ends up with our rivals winning the race for key players. That can only be pinned on Gazidis and the rest of the board.

However, the type of players we buy or do not buy is entirely up to the manager, as are the performances on the pitch from the players we do have. It's Arsene that has failed to make the signings we need for depth and balance, it's Arsene that has gotten the system and tactics all wrong up until this point, and it's Arsene that doesn't have the stones to bench underperforming players like Santi and Monreal in favour of in form players like the Ox or give our promising youth talent a go ie Campbell and Bellerin.

I believe that the right manager would be able to get most of not all of our lads playing to their full potential, make the right signings, and wouldn't be afraid to change things up when the going gets tough. In these instances the budget isn't a factor.

So as I see it. Regardless of what goes on in the board room. Arsene is not the right manager any more.

02 Dec 2014 01:54:37
Good question Steve.

I think are would be worse off.

Better defensively but worse offensively.

I think we would be better. Don't get me wrong now they are at the Emirates I would keep them both but considering Ozil and Sanchez cost a combined £75-80million say we got in Ramos and Busquets or Hummels and Schweinstiger for the around the same amount. We would still have an abundance of attacking talent if Sanchez and Ozil were gone.

Good question Steve.

02 Dec 2014 06:02:36
I agree CIG, it's crazy how the money dried up when Dein had left to.

That Wenger has never given chances to Walcott, Ramsey, Chambers, Gibbs, Chamberlain, Gnabry and Zalalem is shameful.

Losing out to all the other big clubs for Ozil and Sanchez was just a disgrace. :-)

There may have been one but I can't remember a title winning team that was poor defensively and had a soft middle.
Successfully teams are built from the back, well to my knowledge they have been unless someone can remember better?

Gunner62 there are many teams built on attack with very fragile defenders who have been successful over the years. The only difference between those teams and ourselves is we are playing in the EPL and they are playing under 12's.

Didnt david dean move on just after the stadium move. sold to usmanov for 75million not a bad return. I think he saw we needed new investment to compete

01 Dec 2014 21:47:53
Greetings and Salutations my fellow Gooners!

So for many Jurgen Klopp the master tactician has Dortmund not in first, third, fourth but last, yes last in the ultra competitive Bundesliga and this is the man many want to replace Arsene.

Personally I think this will be Arsenes last contract so why not enjoy our greatest managers final run especially after a strong week. A week which showed us that perhaps Arsene does know a thing or two and perhaps our players must also learn that football is not only about going forward but defending collectively as a group.

Arsenals greatest strength is that we are very pragmatic in our approach and I believe we have internally already begun our search for a new manager, but we have never conducted any of our dealings in public.

The banner which has been seen numerous times since 2012 was unnecessary when one views the context of what will transpire at the club in years to come.

The reason I love Arsenal is because we are very intelligent in our undertakings and while most of what I have said is simply opinion and conjecture I strongly believe the club is moving towards its next chapter.

But before its done allow Arsene to finish his term with the class he is. Signs like the one yesterday which may reflect personal freedoms speak detrimentally to our club as it creates unrequired chaos.

The pro and anti Wenger talk is counterproductive for the simple fact that he has a contract and the club will honour it. So perhaps our time would be best be served by creating a better atmosphere of support at our club instead of debating Arsenes position which for all account is secure.

And for the record I do like Klopp but all managers given time will be found wanting so perhaps it's not always best to assume someone may be better than what we have or that the grass is greener on the other side.

Gunners4Life, IN AW we Trust!

{Ed025's Note - i enjoyed reading that G4L, i like your style mate..

01 Dec 2014 22:49:49
Damn fine post.

01 Dec 2014 19:44:29
Just bought the mrs a wooden leg for Xmas,


Don't worry it's not her main present, just a stocking filler!

{Ed025's Note - move over dags..theres a new kid on the block, and he goes by the name of 337..

My mrs has a left foot size 7 and the right size 11, stays open late most nights though.

YNWA

{Ed025's Note - good stuff mick..you are now the scouse dags mate..

My wife caught me in her stockings the other day. She said what the hell are you doing in them. Well I said your bras too big.

{Ed025's Note - that makes you the tooting and mitcham dags steve..

I think there will be a few more of these yet, his post has some real "legs" in it!

01 Dec 2014 21:42:09
Move along you pretenders, the king of comedy is here.

I use to be in a band called Erectile Dysfunction.

We never made it big.

{Ed025's Note - sorry 337....hes back!

I caught the mrs looking at her breasts in the mirror the other day, so I said "you ok darling?"

"no" she replied, "I want bigger ones"

I said "try this, once or twice a day get three sheets of toilet paper and rub them in between your breasts, they will increase massively in size on a daily basis"

"really" she said

" we'll it worked on your backside didn't it"

{Ed025's Note - i tell you what...there is a power struggle on here...and its a tough one to call..

I took the wife shopping for her birthday at the weekend and she got really excited in one shop saying " look look I can still fit in a size 8 at my age "
I said " brilliant babe but best just try the other shoe on first just to be sure "

{Ed025's Note - still a 2 horse race im afraid G62..sorry.. by the way jokes will be on other page from now or ill get told off..

That would be detrimental to scouse humour Ed, which is notoriously funny. apart from that rat faced tax dodging lying toad ken did-he Dodd.

Must go now, got to sign on at 9 in the morning, going to be late for work but hey-ho.

YNWA

{Ed025's Note - just get your mate to sign on for you mick...thats what i do.. :)

Two snowmen in the garden. One says to the other, here can you smell carrots.

{Ed025's Note - that one is not worth...a nose steve.. :)

01 Dec 2014 17:52:38
Thierry Henry: "I would love to see Arsenal win the Champions League. Whether that is from near or far does not depend on me, but it is sure I'd like to help. This is my club and, as a player, I was not able to give them the Champions League"

Got to love his attitude, he still feels like he owes us!!

His loyalty is incomparable; Henry admitted that when David Dein left Arsenal, he knew it was time to move on. Wenger also (allegedly) offered to resign in support for the former vice-chairman Dein, only for Dein to say the club need him too much. I miss seeing the whole organisation so dedicated to the club and each other. Anyone remember the invincibles inventing the post-match huddle?

I was only 9-10 years old myself mind haha

01 Dec 2014 10:10:02
clever from klopp. most said he wouldn't win a title with dortmund again and I was one of them. maybe nexy year he will win the title and take them back up

Crikey, just seen they lost again yesterday, well, I wonder what their banners will say.