Arsenal Banter Archive June 01 2014

01 Jun 2014 21:16:49
Craig Gordon as a number 2 anyone? Free agent. worth a go

01 Jun 2014 21:49:35
Decent keeper as long as he can get over his persistent knee injury.

Thank you Lucas, you've just made my Scott Carson shout the other week look good :-)

Would love it, very long time admirer of his, since he was at Carlisle

01 Jun 2014 20:50:59
Question for Eds.

Do you all have the power to ban a poster who pi55es you off? Personally, I think Ed002 is the hangman.

Also, what constitutes a ban, obviously apart from abusive and racial comments.

Also, do you ban posters for telling bad jokes?
(I'm personally interested in that one, lol).

{Ed025's Note - if we did dags..you would be sine die mate...we do all have the right to ban posters but it is not done lightly, abusing the eds or other posters will not be tolerated, along with constant swearing or generally making a nuisance of themselves, there are short and long term bans, but for things like your jokes..decapitation is being considered mate.. :)

01 Jun 2014 21:59:51
Lol, thanks 025.

I better watch my step, lol.

Remember DG their can be only one, don't lose your head mate

01 Jun 2014 22:54:44
Highlander Dags, lol.

Its a kind of Magic mate

01 Jun 2014 20:42:32
With the cesc chat splitting the board perhaps I could suggest that the player that might suffer the most if he returned is Santi. rather than Ramsey or Jack. as Cesc plays in a more forward role similar to Santis these days. so how would people feel if Cesc was played in Santis role rather than at the expense of Aaron or Jack?

01 Jun 2014 21:51:28
I'd buy Cesc to replace Cazorla any day in the past present or future, simples , no brainer.

{Ed025's Note - you said it 1404..

1404 hit the nail on the head. Fabregas is better, if losing Santi means gaining Fabby, go and do it Arsene.

But why not have both eh?

01 Jun 2014 18:52:57
Just looking at the players everybody wants us to sign, myself included, and there's one thing that worries me.

Everybody, again myself included, seems to consigning 'The Ox' to the bench, a bit part player.

For me, injuries excepting, and along with Rambo, I think he was one of the highlights of our season, and the sort of player we could build a team around.

Is it because he is young and English, that he is deemed as dispensable?

Shame if that's the case.

He has something about him. Whenever he picks up the ball I get butterflies, we could certinally build a team around him

Very fair point DG, I have left him out of my staring 11 that includes a DMf Arrival and Cesc which is always a hope more than an expectatin of getting both, but in our current team for me he's a must.
I've seen some people put jack in and leave Ox out, now that does shock me because at the moment on merit Ox is ahead of Jack by some way imo

I don't get the whole 'starting 11' thing to be honest. you have a core group of perhaps 6 players who you add to differently depending on who the opposition is (and who's fit). The ox for me at the moment wouldn't be part of that core but equally he is a fantastic player

01 Jun 2014 19:31:29
Absolutely Akie.

Agree G62, the ox is there on merit.

01 Jun 2014 19:43:57
Love the Ox and honestly believe he'll be next to make the real step up as per Ramsey. If he and Jack do that this season they will be formidable.

It's just the fans want to see some real quality additions to replace the likes of Bendtner, Park, Coquelin and maybe Arteta but definately not our young guns.

They like Saint says will add to a great core with real quality. It's important we replace like for like in terms of that quality when rotating the team through the season.

01 Jun 2014 19:56:29
Saint, you are a sinner, lol.

I know it's all about personal opinions, but for me, along with Rambo, Ox is our most attack minded and direct player.

I havnt done a team but I too would leave him out the first 11 based on I don't really know where he is really best suited.
I remember the Milan game at the emirates when he played centre mid and he ran the middle of the pitch. He's since had some great time in a wider role.
To me until Wenger really decides what his best position is he will be used as an impact player from the bench.

01 Jun 2014 20:22:31
Ox had some great performances last season, showed he is making good progress. But he is yet to do it on consisten basis. He may not be in starting XI, but he is definatly in contention.

Besides, when was the last time we had a 100% fully fit squad, never. Ox, Jenks and Wilshere will have to earn their starting XI slot just like Gibbs, Szeszncy and Ramsey have.

Starting Midfield of: Ramsey, Bender*, Walcott, Ozil, Cazorla. Then Flamini, Arteta, Ox, Wilshere, Podolski as second string. Strenght in depth is key.

To be fair Ox is getting more chances than other young players. Look at Zaha and Rodwell. Their careers are been ruined by their clubs.

Have to agree, and I think it's the same with Jenkinson. we all seem to prefer signing a player that most of us has never seen play over talent we already have. in the Ox's case I guess a replacement is needed just due to his injury record.

{Ed025's Note - he is only young yet epping, steven gerrrard was the same in his early career they usually grow out of it mate..

Agreed, Ox is starter quality without a regular position, should have a great season and if someone is out for a bit maybe he can make a position his own.

Also, Gnabry is one hell of a player, if he was lighting up the german league we would be gagging to sign him and we already have him.

That's why Wenger is a little smarter than the rest of us - he is going to give these guys a chance and only sign players that are better than we have - hopefully Remy and Schneiderlein and a great winger on the left!

That's true red rooster. at the end of the day Wenger sees these players in training every day. therefore he should know more than any of us if a player is ready or not. which is probably why Park never played!

01 Jun 2014 18:01:06
Eds can you answer this question please. We are at the moment sitting at home watching the Women's FA Cup Final Arsenal v Everton.
The question is what do women footballers earn a week. Are they full time professionals or part time professionals. I've tried to google it but the answers are too random as to get an accurate answer. Thanks .

{Ed025's Note - not many, if any, are full time pro,s goldie, the likes of casey stoner the england captain earns about £25,000 per year, and that includes 2 part time jobs, so although they do get paid mate, its not a massive amount..

01 Jun 2014 18:37:40
Golds,
Who cares what they earn, just as long as they swap shirts at the end.
(only joking)

01 Jun 2014 20:22:36
Dags, you are probably right mate. I must be getting old. There was a time when i'd be asking if they all jump in the bath together at the end of the game. Now I want to know if a bird can earn enough to look after me. LOL

{Ed025's Note - its called getting old goldie..happens to us all mate.. :)

01 Jun 2014 20:54:50
Ed,

I think Goldboy should change his name to Golden-oldie-boy.

{Ed025's Note - good stuff dags..

01 Jun 2014 16:20:02
Namgooner, regarding your comment that scousers think Lallana is a better player than Fabregas, Ed01 summed Fabregas up perfectly.

{Ed001's Note - because he has no positional sense or idea of responsibility defensively. So that limits his options in our system to playing the point behind the strikers, as he lacks pace to make up for errors in positioning. He hasn't the skill to glide past players such as Coutinho, Suso and Teixeira. His passing is no better than the latter of those two, it is limited in range and his vision is lacking. There is every reason for the Barca crowd turning on him, they simply see a player who is nowhere near good enough filling a spot in the team. He looked great at Arsenal, where the whole thing was built around him, where he had no responsibility and could just do what he wanted, with lots of forward movement around him and always within a few yards to allow him to pick a pass easily. If that is all we wanted from a player, we could stick any of the younger attacking mids, from Alberto to Suso to Teixeira to Dunn etc there and they could do that. Why waste a lot of money on a player that simply is not that good and is highly over rated? At least the kids will show a willingness to listen to the coaches and show some responsibility.}

This is this horsecrap. I'm afraid I can't be politer than that. Utter horsecrap. Fabregas is world class, anyone who denies that knows nothing about football.

{Ed025's Note - im with you bilbo..

Hang on, I thought this was a joke. So there's genuinely people out there who think Lallana is better than Fabregas?

{Ed025's Note - as silly as it seems paul...it seems there actually are!!..

The idea that Adam lallana is as good as cesc fabregas holder of the most assists in la liga for the past two seasons is crazy. Lallana is good, but is not consistent as any saints fan will tell you. He is a player similar to cazorla, he has good feet and can pass but when he is off his game he is very average

{Ed025's Note - what you have to remember here saint, is that these are liverpool supporters we dealing with here, and in the land of the deluded, the boys from the spion kop are kings..

Arsenal Chelski city utd their all queuing up for Lallana! Oh hang, no it's just Liverpool and spurs.
Seems the others have all fallen for that Barcelona bloke who can't play football, you know the one, he's got a world cup wiiners medal and a couple of Euro ones too

Lallana and Lambert, Saurez absence will hardly be noticed

Well if one of the Eds says so then it must be true. Sometimes there are opinions expressed that are so incorrect it just isn't worth arguing with.

Oh and in my opinion Heskey was better then Fowler! One of the Eds also agrees which basically makes it fact.
Flybo

G62, Ed02 has said Chelsea and Manchester United are both ready to make an offer for Lallana if he becomes available, Flybo, I didn't say it's a fact because Ed01 said it is, I said he summed him up perfectly.

But he didn't. That's my point.
Flybo

01 Jun 2014 18:48:50
Adam Lallana - 26, Only just broken into England squad. Won nothing.

Fabregas - 27, 1 World cup medal, 2 Euros medals abd countless medals from time at Barcelona. Regular for Spain and top assist maker in a team with Xavi, Iniesta, Neymar and Messi.

You deluded scousers honestly think Lallana is a better footballer?

01 Jun 2014 18:49:24
Plymouth I know you're a pool fan and probably not aware but Dags does the jokes on this page.

Plymouth we are all entitled to our opinion mate, but I think if you polled the utd and Chelski pages Cesc would come out well on top and neither utd city or Chelski would chose Lallana above Cesc, its a bit like choosing Jack above Inesta few would do it and not qualify for at least some kind of psychiatric help on the NHS
I'd say poll the city page but he's on holiday

01 Jun 2014 19:04:40
Lol Jen,
love that x

I remember a time whn Liverpool paid 35mil for a certain Caroll. Wasnt tht overrating? If Arsenal built a team around Cesc, thn didn't Barca also built a team around Messi. Does tht also mean Messi ain't also class? Fabregas was used in all position including on th wings. Its like putting Ronaldo at Right back and expecting him to do b there too. Cesc is overlooked because of Xavi & Iniesta but still managed to get more assist thn both of thm. And he lazy, funny.

Kleberson won a world cup, Copa America and a Confederations medal, may you should sign him up eh?

{Ed025's Note - it was a comparison between cesc and AL plymouth, why bring kleberson into it?...you made yourself look a bit of a tit there mate..

I'd pick Luke Chadwick over Gerrard any day of the week, purely because of a League winners medal! Ha!

I'd also welcome back Eboue. conquerer of Real Madrid! LOL!

Cammy Out!

xxx

01 Jun 2014 20:09:32
Fabregas didn't really contribute to his national team victories. Substitute or false nine appearances in which most games were already won. To use his national team "success" as defense of his club success doesn't really fit. I think he's a good player, but you're being biased to a former captain. No need to get firey fellas

Not really Ed, my point is that just because someone has a world cup medal etc, it doesn't necessarily mean they're a world beater.

{Ed025's Note - but you have to admit PR, that there is a world of difference between cesc and per koldrup mate..

01 Jun 2014 20:29:09
Plymouth Red. Do you even watch La liga? Or remeber Cesc at Arsenal? Your basing your argument on what Ed001 said. Cesc would be a dream at Liverpool to replace Gerrard. He is definatly better than any other Midfielder you currently have.

Lallana is decent, but £30m? that's steep. You could buy much better with that.

Actually plymouth that's the definition of a world cup winners medal.

TjRed.
Your right. Apart from coming off the bench in the 87th minute and setting up Inesta in 2010 against the Netherlands, but it was only the World cup final.
Spain have had the best squad for many years now, but by your logic if their not in the first 11 then their not all that. If Cesc can only manage the bench, then Lallana wouldn't make the plane.
Flybo

02 Jun 2014 00:13:05
Flybo, Landon Donovan scored a 93rd minute win to give the states a group win and probably the biggest goal in our history; Andy Carroll gave us a chance in the fa cup final with a late goal. Are they world class now too?

For value, at the same price, a player 2 years younger who has also captained a good team really isn't that different from cesc in value. I don't think he's worth 30 million; neither is cesc. They're both great players. I hope you guys get your signing and I hope we get ours.

02 Jun 2014 10:23:41
The idea that Adam Lallana is better than Fabregas is ludicrous. It is Plymouth Red spouting his biased Liverpool agenda, nothing more.

{Ed001's Note - I am sorry but you are just so biased it is embarrassing. Clearly none of you know how good Lallana is, you are just up your own arses because he is not an ex-Arsenal player. Fabregas is nowhere near world class or even top class, he is wanted out by Barca because he is not good enough and any idiocy about him struggling because of Xavi is just that, idiocy. Xavi has one leg left and is meant to have regular rest periods, he has had to play more often than Barca wanted because Fabregas hasn't cut it. By the way, getting assists in the Barca team can be as simple as passing it to Messi on the halfway line and standing back and watching him run through the opposition team and scoring, so getting a lot of assists for them is hardly indicative of a quality player. Fabregas is simply a very good player, not world class, not great, lacks defensive responsibility, lacks positional sense, but is a decent quick passer of the ball with good timing of forward runs. Lallana has all that along with an extra level of trickery on the ball. They both lack pace, but Lallana is truly two footed, while Cesc is predominantly right footed. Anyone suggesting Lallana's late arrival on the international stage is related to his ability has no idea what they are talking about. Oh and anyone that will back Ed025's ratings of a player, a man who knows so little he thinks Rooney is some kind of super hero, really should rethink what they know. Neither Cesc nor Lallana are world class, but Lallana, on current form, is the better player. Southampton have been very lucky to keep him, especially when they were in League One. The problem with you lot is that you can't see past the ex-Arsenal thing and haven't seen enough of Lallana.}

What we have seen is several years of Cesc week in week out. I could say, "the trouble with you is you haven't seen enough of Cesc, but that would be very lazy of me.
Flybo

01 Jun 2014 14:15:14
i just love how we are linked to every player out there. nothing like being an arsenal fan in the transfer windows

secondly. just amazing how the bandwagons roll out there. aurier, then benzema one week, then remy, now cesc. so let's guess who we will be debating next?

01 Jun 2014 17:24:49
Welcome to the Arsenal transfer build up mate.

Xabi Alonso for me, I think he will be our surprise target next.
Theo Aaron Xabi Cesc Mesut
Um I could live with that me thinketh

01 Jun 2014 11:30:09
Eds please post this.
In the news today. Big questions being asked as to how Qatar were awarded the 2022 World Cup along with a few allegations too. Really!? There's a surprise. I think nearly everyman and his dog were wondering that too when it was first announced. Why the big enquiry now?. Apart from the blatantly obvious and let's leave that side of it out if my post, why would a major football tournament like that ever had been considered in a country that could only reasonably have put it on in the middle of a European winter season and expect clubs to disrupt their season. Also adding to that the fact that the country really have no so called football facilities to talk about. So everything has to be built from scratch. Aren't FIFA learning anything from the problems we are seeing in Brazil. I know Qatar is an oil rich country but believe me many of the population are in poverty. Fat cats getting fatter again.

01 Jun 2014 18:43:23
Brown envelopes spring to mind Golds.

01 Jun 2014 20:24:20
Dags I was going to say that it is so obvious but I didn't know whether the Eds would post it.

01 Jun 2014 21:11:55
Golds, if the Eds post my jokes than they post anything, lol.

01 Jun 2014 09:05:41
I would be surprised if we were to sign Fabregas, as we have many quality options in his role. Unless of course Wenger believes Fabregas can play in front of the back four, alongside Ramsey. Imagine Fab & Ramsey, with Ozil, Cazorla & Walcott, making up our midfield. We would also have Wilshere, Abu Diaby, Arteta, Flamini, Ox, Gnaby, Podolski & Rosicky vying for places, so I think we would sell at least a couple of them.

Agree Robbie, 30 mill can be spent elsewhere

As long as getting Cesc won't affect any other transfer targets such as RB and CF I am not against it. After of all we have suffered from injuries every season for the last 5 or 6 years, bringing a quality player would ease the whole season for everyone so they can get a game off every once in a while.
We need a holding DM, reliable RB and clinical striker. If we get those the Cesc will be the cherry on top.

01 Jun 2014 14:02:08
Cesc can play deep lying playmaker alongside Ramsey, like Xavi, Alonso and Pirlo do. Him and Ramsey act as double pivot, take turns to attack/defend. If we are winning take one off for Flamini.

He won't interfere with anyones game time. Diaby is eternally injured, Rosicky will play less and less due to age, Kallstrom is leaving etc. Hopefully sell Arteta too and loan Zelalem.

Last season if we had Cesc we would have won the league. We wouldn't hace suffered from Wilshere/Ramseys injuries.
Ive said this before, you need strenght in depth to compete especially in midfield. If Cesc joins it means we won't buy a CDM or Winger. But Wenger is definatly going to buy a Striker and Right back - so no worries there.

£30m Cesc, £10m Remy, £8 Aurier - Happy Gooner.

01 Jun 2014 16:55:34
Detroit, Cesc can play in the deep lying role, but I do think we need a strong, defensive midfielder to accompany him. I don't see Ramsey being that guy. Xavi has Busquets, Alonso has Khedira, and Pirlo has Vidal.

01 Jun 2014 07:11:15
Hi eds,
I think I've asked this before and if I have, I apologise. If Arsenal sign Benzema, do you see Giroud wanting to move on? I just don't think he'd want to compete for a place with the same guy at both club and country.

Outback. Maybe so mate and that I would say is probably understandable. But on the other hand even from grass roots level football is mercenary. From experience with my own sons and people I know the first thing you learn from professional set ups is that you don't get in if you are as good as what they already have! you have got to be better. So from that point of view maybe he would want to move to a club where he is better than what they! already have. Most football dedicate players want to play I say most as some obviously just care about the money. But I think in his case he wants to be on the pitch. So yes would be my guess. Whether he stayed or not is a hard one who knows?.

01 Jun 2014 07:05:47
Going on our past form in the transfer window and the excitement and dissapointments we have all had when the deals have fell through for one reason or another. I think we definitely need Arsene to rethink the way he negotiates the deals this time around. For anyone that doesn't already know this its a fact that Arsene is a supposedly absolute nightmare when it comes to actually agreeing the price. It goes something along the lines of " yes we are interested in player 'A' how much? 30 million ok but we will pay 15 million" and so on. I've heard from good sources that time and time again we have had the deal in the bag only for Arsene to lose the deal at the last knockings due to him trying to slash the price.
This has left quite a few potential signings thinking does this guy really want me and if I do go to Arsenal will I be sitting on the bench. Therefore we have lost players because of this.
We really don't need it this time around. Evidently the famous 100 Million is available again so let's be sensible let's use it and stop trying to penny pinch at every opportunity. It is obvious to me that this has cost us dearly in the last 9 years.
Arsenal is a great club with everything going for it so for once let's get up there again and show we don't mess around anymore.

01 Jun 2014 19:08:29
Great post Golds, couldn't agree more

01 Jun 2014 04:36:01
DG in reply to earlier post
I only ever drank in there once before they turnt it into a tesco and I'm still not sure how I ended up there I think it had someting to do with a missed bus and a long wait for a cab into rumpford

Anyway back to football what would you think of
Fab coming home and Remy and Draxler with Draxler being groomed as the next Henry I think that would give us fantastic options up front and out wide

Add to that a DM maybe a RB but I wouldn't mind Jenks starting for us only worry is he gets injured a lot so might need cover but I have herd good things about Bellerin so might be ok there obviously a 2nd keeper and I think we will be ready to mount a serious challenge on all fronts

I don't think I'm being to unrealistic am I lol
Fab 30m
Draxler30m ish lol
Remy 8m

Im still not convinced Wenger will buy a true DM
Maybe he wants to get the whole midfied working better together as a unit more pressing I did notice in some games this season we pressed as a unit a lot more I just think if he wanted an out and out DM he would of got one seasons ago

01 Jun 2014 07:45:50
Same here RG with regards to the Cherry.
Draxler would be great but I just can't see us getting him.

My realistic signings are
Ruddy/Marshall.
Aurier at RB
Schneiderlin at DM.
Cesc in mid.
Griezman LW.
Remy up front.

That for me, whilst not 100% perfect, represents a quality team.

Forget about Draxler its not happening.

01 Jun 2014 00:40:38
We lack captaincy qualities in team and I believe bringing Cesc back will resolve that. I hope Wenger brings a right back, a forward and a holding midfield player as well.

What is wrong with per as captain?

01 Jun 2014 14:19:04
Per is captain material, dare I say it, so is Flamini as is Kozy. So I don't think we lack a captain. I reckon Per will get it next season

01 Jun 2014 00:15:42
Could post on here all day, great site.
But last one from me today.
I'd love us to go all out this summer, and I mean ALL out!
Set the squad up for the next five years or so.
I'm talking a sub keeper, Aurier, back up centre back, Schneiderlin, Cesc, Draxler, and Benzema. Or something along those lines.
Fantasy world I know, but that would be perfect, would barely need to spend for 5 or so years (in principle).
(ps I know that is a ridiculous idea and would never happen, but we can dream, right?)