Arsenal Banter Archive October 01 2015

01 Oct 2015 21:24:58
Instead of running away Stoner , tell me why you think we are progressing under AW,

01 Oct 2015 23:43:30
Banbury I have absolutely no problem with a differing opinion but whining and bleating every day makes this page about as welcoming as a dose of the clap.

In my early career in the forces I have seen and done things that some would consider are only found in nightmares and in my current career I see and deal with other people's misery pretty much every day I'm at work. I don't come on here and woe is me about that shite, because it's mine, I deal with it and run away from nothing. I'm big enough and ugly enough to look after myself.

I said the other day about football being the most important unimportant thing in the world and it appears it really is.

I came on here to chill and enjoy banter with other gooners but it seems because we aren't top of the league by 10 points after 7 games everything is still shite.

Since RVP was sold to United to enable them to win the league we have seen the arrival of Ozil and more so Sanchez, we have seen Ramsey show the player he really is and with the return of Coquelin have a player worthy of the term Defensive midfielder.

We have Gabriel to play alongside Kos and have purchased a world class goalkeeper. We have seen the emergence of a fantastic young right back and seen Monreal improve greatly with a solid run in the team. Despite what Gary Neville may say I think Cazorla and Coquelin make a great pairing. Walcott currently has some quality goal to game ratio and Chamberlain is starting to look good.

We now defend as a team and have shown we are capable of beating the bigger teams in City and United. You cannot account for poor refereeing in the Chelsea game.

Quite how any of that is stagnating and going backwards 7 games into this season is beyond me. I've watched the games where we have made chance after chance but not put them away or the keeper has made great saves but that is somehow Wengers fault. He wanted a striker, we didn't get one. I don't like that fact as much as the rest don't.

Yes as I've said before, I'm pro Wenger yet I have had occasion when he has driven me nuts, I once posted the best signing we could make was Jurgen Klopp.

I am not impressed nor do I believe that there were not players obtainable during the summer that were not upgrades on Arteta, Flamini and an injury stricken Rosicky as much as I love the guy.

Wenger said in the summer he was up for a gamble, the only gamble he has taken is signing no one other than Cech. I understand the difficulties in signing a top striker.

Martial would have been a gamble, Wenger didn't ask because he didn't think Monaco would sell, clearly if you don't ask you don't get.

I couldn't believe it when I saw that Cech wasn't playing on Tuesday, why not? But equally I couldn't believe Cech cost us 3 points against West Ham.

Was I happy to see Sanchez rushed into action when Wenger spoke of him missing the 1st 3 games. No.

Yet this is our Arsenal, my Arsenal, love the club, love the players and believe we can have a great season. I still firmly believe we can win the league. I don't fail to see stuff I simply chose not to whine but look at the positives. I'm not some blind imbecile.

Wenger could be gone tomorrow, Arsenal will still be here and I'll still be supporting them, simple.

I don't expect people to agree with me but I'm going to give my opinion if it differs from anyone else.

The page is thoroughly unenjoyable and it is not a case of running away rather than just having enough. It was a place worth visiting, it isn't right now so you guys crack on.

Some people just want to moan because maybe there's something missing in their lives. Sad.

02 Oct 2015 00:04:35
Leaving out the personal stuff, not my business - that was a helluva update on the squad's progress, lots of good stuff to chew on there stoner - cheers!

02 Oct 2015 00:14:41
Very well put Stoner, I couldn't have come up with such a detailed explanation myself. Also imagine if we had signed Martial, Most of these moaners would criticize that saying we needed Benzema, but Wenger goes out and buys an 18 yr old French striker. It is true what you say this page has become thoroughly unenjoyable. People who are criticizing Wenger for playing Ospina were the once who wanted Sczsczny be dropped in place for Ospina just 6 months ago. What is wrong in the manager trusting a player to do a job when asked to? who in world can predicted a deflected goal from a corner and a howler like that?

02 Oct 2015 08:13:16
Great post Stoner, enjoyed reading that. I agree that this site hasn't been a barrel of laughs lately , but I will say that a lot of the posts are written by passionate people who love our team and are frustrated with results at the moment . Yes , we need to put things into perspective , but it's easy to get carried away when feelings run high. I'm sure the posts will become more humorous when people have vented their opinion , which they are entitled to. I hope you continue to contribute with posts as I , like you come on here to get some light relief from everyday issues.

02 Oct 2015 08:35:09
Stoner the way I see it is we have the Claude's and the Ty's on here and as much as the Claude's depress the Ty's with their moaning the Ty's totally frustrate the Claude's with the Arsene excuses for every scenario.
Some come here to share their unbounded optimism other to vent their disappointment.
Respect is the answer and accepting others rights to hold different views to our own, if Ty and Claude can sit next to each other on long coach trips all over the country then we should all be able to co exist on a forum.
People let's differ let's share laugh cry moan cheer and accept each others right do feel differently to us on certain subjects and with a bit of respect and a lot of luck who knows one day we all feel the same about something.
Until then Arsene out :-) joke obviously.

02 Oct 2015 10:35:36
If we win at the weekend, the site will all be happy again. If not, the doom and gloom will be reminiscent of a funeral - probably worse.

Us fans really are as fickle as the weather.

02 Oct 2015 12:00:00
Best post I've read for a long time Stoner, at work currently so not easy to reply on my bloody phone.

02 Oct 2015 12:10:26
Good solid post stoner. We have purchased some great players. Plus as you say Rambo & Le Qoq showing how good they are, but when a manager offers the reason he did for not getting Marshall you have to worry. Any salesman (I had 30 odd yrs with some big companies controlling very large budgets into the millions) that offered that 'excuse' would be given a P45! To then say that the amount of possession in some way means we should have won is just laughable. Possession doesn't win games goals do. If you are beaten & well beaten by a team with about a third of the possession then you are doing something wrong.
If we have the standard of players we have & produce a performance like we did then you look at the system you are asking them to play. That comes down to Wenger, the defence is & has been for too,long been awful, it takes us so long to get to the position where we may score that the opposition is back & can defend it.
Sadly after all he's done & as a gooner since 1957, I am really aware just what he has achieved with us, it is now time for a manager with fresh ideas. The game has changed again but Wenger hasn't.
Again I am aware of what he's done I've seen all the bad years, for gods sake Jack Kelsey was our keeper when I started to support us, we need fresh ideas quickly not more of the same old same old.

02 Oct 2015 17:19:51
Love it stoner, glass half full rather than half empty

Brilliant post, thoroughly enjoyed reading it, more of the same please ;)

{Ed007's Note - I see BG mentioned he was reading this at work, how does that work out? Are you all sitting in the toilet skiving checking the site on your phones or got it open in a sneaky window on your work's computer?
I used to be a foreman for an engineering firm and I never had time to sit and surf the internet even though nobody would have known or cared, I wouldn't have let any the welders or machine men sit on their phone either.}

02 Oct 2015 19:11:06
I know Ed,

Sounds dodgy mate.

{Ed007's Note - I actually think it's pretty cool if people are having a skive to check the sites - and hopefully telling their workmates about it.}

02 Oct 2015 21:52:11
Great post stoner, but i think you have something missing in your life mate. Cheer up.

01 Oct 2015 21:37:57
after a few days to calm down.we couldn't have a better game than super sunday,happy days.we might have different opinions ,but we can get behind the team and hopefully we will be talking about challenging for the title.if we can beat united......i mean when we beat utd.the players can get the belief that they can when the league and go on a good run.......come on arsenal, 3 v 1. ramsey,sanchez and walcott.you heard it hear first .mite throw a score on us getting out of our group too......checking odds.....

01 Oct 2015 22:23:06
Olypiakos v Zargreb will tell us what's possible as much as Arsenal v Bayern, us beating Bayern home and away is the only way we can decide our own fate and I don't think think that's very likely but I totally respect those that think we will and would love to sell then a car :-) only joking people :-)

02 Oct 2015 07:07:28
I don't think we will qualify, but I'm much more optimistic domestically, partly because the league looks so flawed and open this year. It's a real opportunity. 2-1 to Arsenal on Sunday, COYG!

01 Oct 2015 18:36:27
"Arsenal are technically and tactically the best team in the league. Nevertheless, they haven't won so much, so you have to look for that improvement with that team."
LVG
If only our fans had that belief!

01 Oct 2015 20:37:45
With all due respect we are one of yhe worst tacticall, that's widely accepted and as far as technical, we have one of our players saying today, how we deserved to get beat when we do things so sloppily.

01 Oct 2015 21:16:31
Saying widely accepted doesn't make it true..from second half of last season, we've been the best in the league..beat city, united, and Chelsea..

01 Oct 2015 21:21:04
Tactically the best.....................LVG was kidding as we all know. Wenger is tactically inept as many have said on here. You can't believe in something that isn't there LG.

Having no plan 'B' tells you all surely

01 Oct 2015 22:34:19
What chelsea team did we beat, and what united did we beat. We are talking arsenal here, the one in england.yes we beat man city once and then proceeded to gift then second place. Sorry but i'm not convinced by your version.

01 Oct 2015 22:07:18
So who in your opinion is better this season Banbury, Chelsea? with plan B, C, and D? The only team that are as good or slightly better than us are City..with united catching up..

01 Oct 2015 23:56:32
As you know form is temporary , and only 7 games in , of course many will argue we are better as we are above Chelsea.

Why do you say City and Man U as we are yet to play them.

On a head to head Chelsea are better than us, on League form both Manchester clubs, as well as W Ham.

I'm not sure how you come to your conclusion , let's remember we have been chumpions of Autumn and got nothing .

01 Oct 2015 23:59:44
United away Manchester at Old Trafford in the FA CUP, Chelsea for the first time this season in the Community Shield..Remember that?? We've been progressing ever since the second half of last season. I'm sorry you can't see that. You and Banbury do not want to listen to another opinion, "LVG was kidding"? what kind of response is that..
And this plan B argument even Barca of 2011 were criticized for not having a plan B. We have a good chance of winning this season, if you still want to be miserable and whine, it is your choice..I'm sure you two will be the first to moan even if a new manager comes in..

02 Oct 2015 00:22:48
I come to that conclusion because of our form from second half of last season when most of the players returned back from injuries.. In your own words, As you know form is temporary, and we are only 7 games in, may be by the next 7 games, we may be top of the league?

I say City are on par or better because they have made very good signings. City have 2 players for every position. Their form in the beginning of the season was fantastic and they also finished above us last season. Manchester United spent 200 million and are slowly progressing. I do not agree with Chelsea being better than us this season. They won't at the bridge when a lot of our players were injured. They scraped a draw at emirates last season and celebrated and lost against us in the community shield. They won this season when we were down to 9 men. It shows from your responses that no amount of explanation will make you change your opinion.

02 Oct 2015 00:26:35
London George with all due respect, united was not in the league, it was a cup game and chelsea a friendly. The premier league is the yard stick not cup games and friendlies. You will include the Emirates cup next.

02 Oct 2015 00:52:17
Wouldn't that make players believe that they can beat them in the league as well? Chelsea are already out..if we play like the second half of last season we'll end up at either 1 or 2..

01 Oct 2015 17:33:24
I should make myself a bit clearer .

I have said Sanchez should go only because he is wasting his time here if he is in search of major trophies ( League and CL ) and it would be a sgame if he ends up without those on his CV, a bit like Gerrard without a PL title.

Ubi you posted yesterday about looking forward to a great season, do you mean in terms of football or Autumn and Winter? There isn't anything remotely great on the horizon. The be careful what you wish for comments? what does that mean? another 12 years without the PL?

Football is a great divider and we have to accpet that , but one thing I have noticed is that more and more Arsenal fans and losing faith in AW.

I have to agree with Max , I would have defended AW to the death but enough is enough now he has had his time , he can no longer compete against the better managers

{Ed025's Note - it means you may get a new manager who does not bleed arsenal like arsene does BG..

01 Oct 2015 18:10:30
So you care more about Sanchez feeling fulfilled in his career aspirations than you do about Arsenal football club. "I hope Sanchez leaves". Those are your words not mine. Rationalize them anyway you like, you can't defend the undefendable.

01 Oct 2015 18:20:14
Apparently Arsene is sick of constant criticism, then he should stop doing silly things like dropping Cech and Monreal for must win games.
Chin up Banbury mate everyone knew what you were saying about Sanchez but the trouble with the pro Arsene at all costs brigade is they think they have a monopoly on being right.
If everyone kept their jobs on past merits and not on current ability Dixon Adams Bould Keowen and Winterburn would still be keeping clean sheets and Bobby Charlton would have 500 England caps. Sadly things change and those who don't keep up fall away, we all wish it wasn't that way but it is the reality of things which is why Highbury is a bunch of apartments.

01 Oct 2015 18:21:58
Ain't his points that he feels the need for arsenal to improve in order to keep players like Sanchez happy?

But hey u keep finding ways to hunt posters down that agree with your views, each to there own I guess.

01 Oct 2015 18:24:34
I duno Ubi your having a good go at defending Arsene so I'd say Banbury had as much right as anyone to defend his comment's or is this another your team thing.

01 Oct 2015 19:02:14
I'm getting mocked for hoping we have a great season? And you don't think there is anything wrong with that.? But Ban says he hopes our best player, who gives everything every game and never complains, leaves the club. And that's fine? I am NOT pro Wenger. Where in my posts did I say anything of that sort.

I am pro Arsenal, and I support and get behind whoever is at the club. But the people like us who just want to support our team and have a bit of banter are just getting swamped and shouted down by the people who just want to write Wenger out in capital letters every 4 minutes.

01 Oct 2015 19:26:48
All of the Wenger out guys who are entitled to their opinion need to realize Sanchez, Cech and Ozil came here because of the boss not inspire of him, be prepared for the consequences but you really don't need to because he ain't going nowhere ;-))

01 Oct 2015 19:48:19
Ubi wether your pro or Arssne out or go with the flow and I respect your rigt to feel and voice how you feel on this or any subject.
Sanchez was the only player who didn't let us down Tuesday ( when has he ever ) and to be fair mate who could blame him if he decided to walk away next summer? He wouldn't be letting us down we would have let him down by asking him to carry us to far to often, no more than I really think you consider Arsenal football club to be yours do I actually think Banbury would be really want Sanchez to leave.
As for Derby yes he's a fantasy football man that's why we joke about his 300 man squad that changes by the hour but two things I'll say about Derby one he's as much right to a view as every other member who joined the site plus he can take a light hearted dig better than most and deserves a lot of respect for that.
If you can find it in you to see a great season ahead that's fantastic and i envy you but you've got to see why some would find it difficult to understand where your coming from right now!

02 Oct 2015 00:56:09
Here is my Rafa moment..

You don't get a calm stable defence by swaping players out, they need to play together week in week out to form a cohesive unit, Wenger made a mistake doing that Fact.

You shouldn't go in to a season with just one dm who isn't injury prone or passed it, Wenger did and has no real excuse for it in my opinion Fact.

Sanchez will want to leave by the end of next season at the latest if we don't at least have a good fight for the top two trophies Fact.

Those are just a few i could go on

Do i want Sanchez to go or do i want him to stay and win the Premier league and Champions league, well the answer is obvious, but would i blame him for leaving if we don't then the answer is no.

Do i want Wenger to leave and leave us to the mercy of the new manager being a whole lot worse or do i want him to wake up and stop making the sometimes stupid sometimes arrogant mistakes?
Well I'd love him to stay, he obviously loves the club and not one person from either side of this debate can deny that but, do i really believe in my heart he can do that....

01 Oct 2015 16:16:35
ED

When have I said I don't like the owners? Some players , yes I agree , aren't fit to wear the shirt.............Wenger, as I have posted on here many times is no longer progressing us , we are stagnant . And the sooner we look for a replacement the better but that won't happen until the man himself decides.

{Ed002's Note - Maybe the club should look for some better fans?}

01 Oct 2015 16:44:08
I guess when we get a replacement and don't suddenly start winning trophies left, right and centre then the fans will understand.

Let's atleast get further into the premier league season before we give up. Remember, even when we were a title winning team domestically, we have always done dreadful in Europe.

01 Oct 2015 12:18:32
{Ed002's Note - It is all very embarrassing reading. And that is exactly how you all come across. If Arsenal had won yesterday the fans would all be beating their meat the same as usual.}

No we wouldn't, too far down the line for that

{Ed002's Note - Believe me you would. Many of you have gone the Liverpool route of being completely fickle as fans. We get it - you don't like the owners, the management nor the players. You will get a new manager at some point and, no doubt, lots of new players. Then you can trash them as well.

And trust me, it is embarrassing reading most of the nonsense.}

01 Oct 2015 12:35:43
I agree it is embarrassing Ed but I seem to be pretty lonely in the Wenger camp, even after victories. If we win, everyone commends the players and not many on here actually praise Wenger.

{Ed002's Note - Which is odd seeing as they want all of the players replaced. They don't seem to care who comes in - just as long as they cost a lot of money. This was the Liverpool fans three or four years ago. Interesting to watch it happening again. But you stick with Wenger - maybe there will be a change sooner than folks realise?

Sadly Viv Nicholson is no longer with us to take over as manager.}

01 Oct 2015 13:08:09
Have to agree Ed. Presumably these are the same fans that complained that we didn't sign Erik Lamela instead of spurs, or that we didn't beat Liverpool to the signing of Balotelli. The whining and foot stamping by these know it all fans who all know how to manage a team better than Wenger does is making for absolutely miserable reading.

01 Oct 2015 13:21:41
agree 1000% sometimes i wonder if its actually arsenal fans commenting, I know is disappointing to lose games, but 7 games in 3 points off top, bad START to the champ leagues but not out of it, Lots of chances created en every games and goals will come with sharpness, Lost to hight flying West ham who have also beat liverpool and man city away and our usual loss at the bridge.. where is all the panic?

01 Oct 2015 13:45:58
Spot on ed, some of the pathetic whimpering by grown men on here is unreal and to hope that Sanchez, our best player, leaves is about as pathetic as it gets.

The same old faces spouting out the same lamp noodle posts currently make this page a dire read.

Maybe people will get what they wish for but Jesus man up.

01 Oct 2015 13:56:33
Very cryptic Ed. It'd be a shame if, after eveything he's done, he quietly leaves at a low point with the current fans not interested in his legacy.

{Ed002's Note - It is not cryptic at all - my understanding is that he is not happy with the criticism.}

01 Oct 2015 14:32:45
Oh okay lol. I said that because you said it as a question and made use of the word 'maybe'. That is interesting but I can't really blame him, it'd be really weird if we saw him manage another club though - sort of like seeing Ant without Dec.

But anyway, enough of the talk about Wenger leaving. Even I'm at it now aha.

{Ed002's Note - There is nothing odd about it.}

01 Oct 2015 15:11:30
Well said Stoner, couldn't believe my eyes when i saw that post about Sanchez. Well, I couldn't until I saw who wrote it.

01 Oct 2015 15:37:28
Jesus, I know it's not odd for a manager to leave but I'm just saying it'll seem weird to see him out of the club and surroundings that he has been at for as long as I have been alive. I think that's pretty reasonable, sometimes change can seem odd at first. Thank you for the information, genuinely, but you seem to think I am constantly trying to have a dig at you when I am trying to engage in discussion like everybody else, because I am interested in Arsenal and the information you provide - like everyone else.

{Ed002's Note - No problem.}

01 Oct 2015 00:03:27
Martial vs the BFG that's a show I can't wait to see :)

Did Kos pick up an injury too? Heard conflicting stories.

01 Oct 2015 08:10:12
I think we might nick a draw from you CTR, not sure but we are at home and youd have to expect some kind of response from Arsenal and nicking a draw against a pretty awful utd might not be beyond us :-(