Arsenal Banter Archive October 01 2017

 

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01 Oct 2017 19:27:58
It's a funny old game. Three games ago we were hammered by Liverpool and well behind them in all departments. Three games later we are ahead of them, won more games and they are now being questioned about their ability or lack of.

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01 Oct 2017 21:39:29
Liverpool are probably the most inconsistent team in the Prem.

They are as poor as they are brilliant.

Finish above them and, and, and, err, means nothing 🤣.

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01 Oct 2017 22:43:15
Dags you are right, they are like us but a bit worse. Lol.

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01 Oct 2017 23:11:19
That's why we are locked in a battle for 5th place between us.
Both teams are a mixture of brilliant inconsistency, woefully bad one week breath takingly brilliant the next.
It's the breath takingly brilliant weeks that keeps so many thinking it's only a matter of time before something somewhere clicks and the good weeks become the norm, while others are tired of waiting for a bus that hasn't turned up for over a decade now and are pretty sure the service that goes the full distance has been discontinued.

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01 Oct 2017 19:06:19
I'm lost as to why Wenger keeps bringing Lacazette off, he hasn't finished a game yet. No rhyme or reason to it and can't be good for the players confidence. Bringing players off just to get other players on is not good for either. There should be tactical reasons you take players off not sentimental.

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01 Oct 2017 19:23:43
Shearer said om Match of the day last night about Harry Kane being subbed " what is Poch saving him for? He's away with England for the next 10 days "
We've been wrapping players in cotton wool for years but it hasn't prevented injuries, how many games did Frank Lampard play consecutively? Didn't seem to do him a lot of harm.

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01 Oct 2017 20:17:08
I don't think he's wrapping him on cotton wool gunner. He is good and he needs to be unleashed and given his head. Is it because giroud is in the French team, is it because he wants to get giroud on, whatever the reason, it isn't for the good of Lacazette.

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01 Oct 2017 21:17:14
I don't see how giving Olly the last 10 minutes in a game thars already won does much for Olly either way, put him on for the last 10 minutes against Utd with the score 0 0 and say " go win it for the team '
I can see how Olly might get something from that challenge and responsibility.

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01 Oct 2017 21:59:54
100% Agree gunner, he played a full game Thursday and he's been used in the past as an impact sub. If Lacazette is our number one striker and he clearly Is, what was and is the point of just swapping him with giroud. Is he trying to appease all and failing to or what. I'm baffled, the more minutes on the pitch for Lacazette the better for us. The start of the season he messed about with lol and it cost us, he shouldn't be doing the same with Lacazette. He did it with podolski and it did him no good.

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01 Oct 2017 22:44:45
Messed about with kol, sorry predictive again. This phones going.

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02 Oct 2017 05:36:11
we will finish above liverpool imo. keeping coutinho wasn't the best idea imo. take the cash and go get a spine. i'd back them to beat us in one off games tho

us or chelsea for 4th I feel.

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03 Oct 2017 10:41:45
I would think, Sanchez - Giroud - Lacazette on top as a trio in games against teams like Brighton would make more sence. It would give more options to break down a team that sits so low.

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01 Oct 2017 18:37:27
11 successive home win's in all comps.

4 PL clean sheets on the bounce.

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01 Oct 2017 19:01:13
But no one sees us as serious title contenders Dags. So something must be wrong somewhere. Probably because we have form and I don't mean 11 wins and 4 clean sheets. It's November next month Dags and that is something that also usually goes to form. We don't look comfortable at defending, whatever our results and anyone with an ounce of football knowledge can see why. Until we look more solid we won't be taken seriously. All the pundits have us now outside the top four. The pundits don't win any teams anything but they just don't fancy us at all. Are they all wrong?

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01 Oct 2017 19:24:53
Agree Steve,
The 2 Manc clubs look red hot, but as long as we keep plugging along, we have a chance.

I'm not too bothered by the way we play anymore, we lost our swagger years ago, but as long as we keep winning, it's good.

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01 Oct 2017 19:35:16
Steve everyone has seen and heard it all before mate, Arsenal under Arsene will never be taken seriously unless we actually deliver a proven unquestionable challenge that sees us in serious contention well into the merry month of May.
Arsene and Arsenal under Arsene have lost the benefit of doubt because most people outside the most biased Arsene fans have any doubts this season will end just like all the others, miles off the pace.
Only Arsene and his players can change that on the pitch because they can say what they like but it won't be taken seriously simply because it's been said 100 times before.

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01 Oct 2017 20:19:21
Agree gents, our halo has slipped good and proper.

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01 Oct 2017 21:01:58
Steve, all those pundits you're talking about said we will be hammered by Chelsea and they were all wrong.
I'm not saying we will win the league this season but we are having a good run and that will only build the team confidence. Its a ling way to until May but most of those pundits most of the time talk sh**t. So personally I don't listen to what they say as some tried managing and failed badly.

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01 Oct 2017 21:32:30
Agree more, But why do they all see so little in us as a force. They aren't always right, no is. But not one of them thinks we are good enough anymore. There has to be a problem with our set up because we haven't been contenders and we still aren't, at the moment.

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01 Oct 2017 22:01:14
Sorry predictive, moe.

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01 Oct 2017 21:42:28
Hi Moe mate good to hear from you.
I remember Kevin Kilbane being asked last season after beating Chelsea and went on a run if he thought we would win the league, he just smirked in a not direspectful but dismissive manner and half laughing half talking and simple said " no ".

If we want to stop the laughter and the dismissive talk from the pundits we are going to have to prove them wrong sooner or later.
As we stand writing Arsenal off each season has proved a reliable and fruitful business for pundits to make an easy living from.

People don't have to like hearing it but it doesn't make it any less true.
One genuine title challenge would achieve what a 1000 excuses never will.

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01 Oct 2017 22:10:58
Moe every now and then a different arsenal turns up in individual games, a few predicted we would get a result a Liverpool and as a result, no one fancied us at chelski. The odd game we do get it right but not enough.

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02 Oct 2017 10:42:32
I totally agree, we obviously haven't been a top notch team so I see why they don't see us contenders as well as for us not really sorting out our obvious issue. I'm not saying we will win the title but we are as bad as everyone think, still not good enough for me tho as I want my team to be the best.

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01 Oct 2017 17:39:22
Good calls from Eds 004 018 and 033 on predicting today's Arsenal 2 0 win.

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01 Oct 2017 20:01:25
I predicted Eds 004, 018 and 033 would guess our score correctly.

Does that make me king of predictions? 🤣.

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01 Oct 2017 20:26:37
It would if only you hadn't predicted every Ed would predict every score correctly in every game Dags:-)
Did you know the odds on getting the uk lottery correct are 50 million to 1, so If the jackpot gets to over 1000 million and you cover every possible out come you can't lose?

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01 Oct 2017 14:38:12
Been thinking about the state of the club and it's easy to see what the problem is (players needed and tactics aside) the contract situations of Sanchez and ozil are toxic but the reason that it was impossible to deal with in a effective and professional manor is because of the Wenger contract debacle. How on earth could Wenger stand in that dressing room and call some sort of order when he was essentially doing the same thing himself. If he was desisive himself he could have stood in that dressing room and got some respect. With respect to Sanchez I knew his performances wouldn't drop and he looks as good as ever but I look at the players around him and the shackles appear to be on. Every player is looking to Sanchez to do something and sort something and they all look to pass to him and overlook better options elsewhere. It's like we're treading water and looks so suffocating from outside looking in. Good win today and not as much moaning just heartbroken when you here Micheal Owen talk about the club like he was. It is well known now across the football world that we're a soft touch from top to bottom and other clubs must be laughing there bollocks off. I just hope and prey we can offload those two out of the EPL because it really will be the final nail in the coffin.

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01 Oct 2017 16:58:42
Didn't see the game today, so can't comment.

But, bloody good post Sanogo. Hard to disagree with any of that.

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01 Oct 2017 18:31:45
As the Jam told us back in the 80s " The public wants what the public gets "
Arsene has been allowed to do exactly as Arsene wants when he wants and how he wants to do it.

And in the words of Billy Idol
The Arsenal fans
Cry " more more more '

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01 Oct 2017 18:51:32
There is lots of things that are going on at the club that are "toxic" from the owner to the manager and to the players that have left, Some that have stopped and those who wanted to leave and didn't. Things behind the scenes are not what they should be for a club wanting success. Add that to a major share holder banned from shareholder meetings because the majority shareholder is a Dick and wants the club run his way and his way only and no questions should be asked of him. It's all run like a closed shop and it's not run for on field success. Wenger is a puppet for kronk and kronk loves his puppet because he puts money first and success second. Ideal for kronk and his empire. If we put success higher up the agenda, we would have no problem with players wanting to fly.

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01 Oct 2017 19:08:53
Sano Michael Owen is a poor pundit, I personally don't listen to a word he spouts, he's awful.

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01 Oct 2017 05:33:41
Just a quick idea for a thread - what 1 (and I do mean one! ) thing did you take away from the Saturday games related to Arsenal? I mean the other matches not the Arsenal one, as you already discuss what the Arsenal game means.

For me, it was that there is a very real chance of a top 4 return as, apart from the Manchester clubs, no one is really standing out and Man Utd have still not really faced anyone, plus Pep's teams always fade as the season goes on. That 4th placed trophy is not out of reach after all!

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01 Oct 2017 06:42:07
Top thread ed001 - The Manchester clubs do look strong bets for first and second places. However, as you state the remaining two CL spots are up for grabs. It will be interesting to see the effect of CL participation, as the last two winners of the PL were not in the competition and all clubs could possibly get through t the knockout stage. Arsenal have the advantage in this respect of being able to rest players in the EL, which is rarely, if at all possible in the CL. The effects of playing midweek can cause fatigue and injury.

This week we were able to rest the starting eleven likely to play today, with the exception of two or three players. January will be vital for us as we need an additional CB. We have plenty of cover in the other positions, although a quality DM and a RWB would be beneficial. We seem to have settled down after a disturbed start to the season, with Oxlade being included in the starting line up, by disturbing the team selction, with players played in unfamiliar positions.

Since the Liverpool matche, the shape of the team and players looks so much better. I would like to see us defend deeper away from home, where our results have been poor, except a creditable draw at Chelsea.

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01 Oct 2017 09:16:22
It's strange how we all see things differently, I looked at Saturday's games and thought how much the 4 teams I expected to take the champions league spots before a ball was kicked look more likely than ever to do so.
Chelsea weren't great but gave city their toughest game yet, Utd reminded more of themselves under Fergie than at any point since Fergie left and Spurs looked like they were as usual under Poch finding their stride after a sluggish start.
Imo Utd will win it and the other 3 will fight out 2nd 3rd and 4th positions.
We need to get our problems at the back sorted out ASAP if we are going to keep up any kind of challenge for 4th should anyone slip up above us.
This time last season we were riding high in the league and riding our luck too as teams continued to create and waste lots of chances against our disorganized defence but once Everton finally exposed us the flood gates opened for everyone.
Learn from last season or in the words of that great philosopher Steve " rinse and repeat"

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{Ed025's Note - for me city will win it G62 i feel they have a lot more quality than utd, also dont rule liverpool out of a top 4 spot mate they are capable of beating anyone on their day, sadly i think arsenal will finish 5th or 6th mate..

01 Oct 2017 09:47:39
I totally agree Ed001 mate, Liverpool and Arsenal will battle out for 5th place and the unlikely chance of 4th should things go pear shaped at Chelsea as they so often have in the past following a really great season.
For me United and Mourinho will be more organized and disciplined than City over the season grinding out results where city's showcase football will sometimes fail to turn the key on resilient opposition defences at times.
There isn't much between Liverpool and Arsenal imo but there is a significantly wide gap between us and the strongest 4 teams.
I don't want it to be like that i would absolutely love to see Arsenal once again in the thick of a filter race come May but in my honest unbiased non special glasses opinion that just doesn't look very realistic.

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01 Oct 2017 10:55:40
I don't think top four is unrealistic at all. It's very realistic and I think any team can beat any in the top 5 or 6. I think our previous 3 performances against Chelsea suggest we are more than capable . City look good but haven't we seen them race off a few times scoring bagfuls of goals then wilt to not mount a challenge? United I have a feeling could be flat track bully's, Liverpool are equally as unpredictable as us and spurs will have a wobble that will see them fall short. Chelsea look like there missing something. So I don't see why it's a long shot at all.

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01 Oct 2017 11:15:21
Top for us clearly possible and I would have expected Chelsea to get at least a point at home against City.

The Manchester clubs and Spurs look like the top three for me but injuries, squad depth can all mess with that plus red cards

For us it’s possible but we must sort out our defence - against Chelsea a simple Cesc long pass almost and should have caught us out AGAIN! It’s shocking that we fall for it then play deeper. So we must sort out the back three and the two central midfielders because with have a strong keeper, extremely strong wing backs and a superb front line.

Focus, desire and energy is required because the league is now so competitive.

The next hurdle is the January window where we can strengthen, weaken or stay as we are. Huge decisions.

In a side note - great year and well done to the arsenal finance guys as the just reported a super year. Strong Revenue and a good profit. Top marks. Clearly a well run business.

Do you really think a business run like this let’s Contracts run down?

Our on pitch performance needs a strong review as that’s why Contracts don’t get renewed. The poorer performers sign up on strong wages while the best want medals.

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01 Oct 2017 11:17:57
That's exactly the problem though.

We all think we can sneak top 4, but not a single mention that we can actually be champions.

Top 4 is inbred through the club, from Owner to manager to players and supporters alike.

Not good enough in my humble opinion.

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01 Oct 2017 11:48:59
Totally agree with all that Dags, people won't like this but most Arsenal fans see the title as a wish but not something the club SHOULD be challenging for most seasons.
Arsene as managed + champions league football = a case majority of happy happy gooners.
There is no real ambition beyond top from any part of the club fans board manager players just an awful lot of cosy wishful thinking.

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01 Oct 2017 11:51:27
Of course we can be champions dags.

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01 Oct 2017 11:59:15
There are always some that love the 4th place trophy, not me, I said top 3 at seasons beginning and that means in the mix for the title for me with a good chance to win it.

City will be the team to pip for the title. They are a different proposition this time around.

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Premier League Match Previews Sunday 1st October

01 Oct 2017 04:26:40
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Previews Sunday 1st October

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01 Oct 2017 00:38:25
I would like to congratulate G62 as officially the most intelligent poster. I have seen your theory on the double agent and have to say that going over posts and looking at the twin infinitives I can confirm that you have an astute knack at discerning the real from the macabre. Good pick up 👍🏻.

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