Arsenal Banter Archive January 20 2015

20 Jan 2015 22:50:22
Dags I've said many times on here Wilshere is just not good enough at this time. Make no mistake he is the darling child of arsenal FC and we all want that aggressive will power he has emulate into excellence in the field but it just hasn't happen so far. No matter what the cause he just isn't good enough to star for us when all others are fit. I do t know how anyone can disagree with this. We play better with our other mids. He's not as strong as le coq or most decent dmf. He's not as good in the dribble as Cazorla , Ozil , Ramsey and he is slower than ox Sanchez and Walcott. So where does he fit as a starter?? I don't think he does

Thoughts??

20 Jan 2015 23:02:31
JK,

Totally agree. When he gets injured, I know we can cover him, with as good as, if not, better players.

Love his spirit, his commitment and his character but, do we miss him?

21 Jan 2015 06:44:10
You can't compare his pace against wingers, and I'd say his dribbling is every bit as good as Ramsey, it's just Ramsey offers more defensively.
Dmf Coquelin is the best choice, he's more disciplined because that's the roll he wants to play.
Wilshere was one of our best performer's before he got injured, but I don't think he will walk back into the team, he's got to earn his place again.

I think he's brst as a number 10 where he can use his quick turn and impressive acceleration to beat men, and get in those tight spaces that he thrives in e.g. Goal against Norwich last season

His technique is amazing in my view. I'm not arguing that we don't have other midfielders who may be more effective than him right now but he is an excellent dribbler with a lethargic style which is why he is so prone to being fouled. Only Cazorla that I can think of who may be able to rival his dribbling.

He doesn't score enough goals but the ones he does score are technically brilliant (Norwich obviously and remember the dink finish against Manchester city, after a good bit of dribbling?) Also, his long ball which set up Ox's goal for England (against Scotland I think?) was immense!

I know patience is running out but there is no question that he can bring something to the team, the question is will he on a consistent basis?

20 Jan 2015 19:40:37
So West Ham want £8m for Reid and we want £12m for Jenks both inflated prices so Reid plus 2 Million from West Ham seems fair this should be quite straightforward. Jenks is easily worth £7m - £8m and with Reid's contract situation make sense.

20 Jan 2015 21:06:25
Really don't think we should sell Jenks. He should be second choice RB next year, rotating with Debuchy. We owe him that much. Also gives us a chance to loan Bellerin out and help him develope. Chamber is not a RB, he is much better at Cb and maybe Cdm if we gave him a chance there.

20 Jan 2015 21:46:30
I would (reluctantly) use Jenks as a bartering chip to get Reid.

Bellerin on loan?
Nah keep him, he will get enough game time with us through rotation, loss of form, injury and suspension to Debuchy.

I'd Give jenks a run next year. Promise westham bellerin on loan nxt year

Haven't The club got 8 million?
If not that's a worry and if yes then why don't we just pay the money get the player we NEED DESPERATELY at this time and bring Jenks home in the summer.
Why are so many of our fans accountants constantly trying to penny pinch and save money the club can well a afford to invest.
Its 8 million not world record 80 million for a defender

20 Jan 2015 22:12:43
Agree G62,

Look at Man City, just paid £30m for a player who could win them the league (Bony), and we won't pay a measly £8m for a player we desperately need?

I agree dags that's the difference, last january when we were leading the league with only giroud as our main striker going into the second half of the season think how different things could of been if we had bought another striker (bony had a buy out clause of 19mil at the time) where as this year city have aguero, dzeko and jovetic yet still buy bony because an upgrade rather than sticking with what you have might be the difference

21 Jan 2015 21:41:28
Totally agree Eden.

Good point.

20 Jan 2015 18:16:20
So with the re-emergence of Santi aka "Beast" Cazorla, what do people think our best team is now? I'm slightly worried that Ozil is going to have to play as a winger again.

20 Jan 2015 19:07:00
Macc I said the other day I can't see either being used on the wing.

If you have Sanchez left, Walcott right and Giroud down the middle then Welbeck would be cover across all three positions, then there's Gnabry, Chamberlain and Campbell offering more cover up front. Walcott will need to up his work rate to get the starting spot.

Midfield now for me will consist of Ramsey, Cazorla and Coquelin, so Ozil can only rotate with Cazorla for me unless he does what Arsenal did on Sunday, shocks the life out of us with an unbelievable, all action, dynamic display.

20 Jan 2015 19:14:45
Imo it depends on the game. If it's a game that requires a tight, compact shape, where work rate and team work have to be high and maintained throughout 90 mins, and to nick goals on the counter, that 4-1-4-1 will do us no harm. The problem for Ozil is he isn't a CM he's a CAM or no.10 and in the 4-1-4-1 he won't fit in. And even then if you did accommodate him by putting him out wide, he lacks the work rate, team work, discipline etc.(everything demonstrated at man City) required by ALL 11 players whilst OUT of possession. On the other hand, in a game were expected to win and dominate, where we are favourites, where that tight compactness changes to a fluid, controlling, attacking system, Imo the 4-5-1 suits him perfectly. As him a number 10, santi or rambo deep lying, next to let coq or whichever beast we have been crying out for god knows how long as our dm, centrally, in an attacking sense is pretty strong. All that said, for me, atm, he wouldn't get into the latter, Santi can do no wrong. Hopefully this situation brings the best out of Mesut.

20 Jan 2015 21:48:20
I would go with Red Dog's team but would definitely find a place for The Ox.

The welbeck signing does make me LOL. Came to play uptop. Ends up as a squad player like at manu.

Welbeck was signed as cover for Giroud, he has been injured or he would get more games, I like him Derby

In my view when you have giroud your next striker needs to be better. because in my view both are second rate. before we had rvp world class predator.

although that case was dropped.

I kind of agree Derby, but our strikers do a different job, they hold play rather than just shooting, this is due to our midfield being so potent. I see that Giroud and Welbeck do this job really well and both can score too.

Rvp hold up play was excelllent too

end of the day offer me 30plus goals or a player that will chip in a few and hold the ball up well.

goals all day. goals win games

giroud would of been henrys bag barrier back then and boot cleaner

costa does both too miles better than our lads.

mansukic looking back now 15mill would of been a great signing

20 Jan 2015 16:19:31
Is it me or does le coq look smaller in the cold?

20 Jan 2015 16:53:34
still got a better squad than you lol, only sancehz would get in. erikksen lloris kane etc would walk into your team. you need a new keeper as scezney is in the big brother house aka perez hilton LOL

20 Jan 2015 18:01:36
Classic fail, reply to the wrong post. ;-)

Too much raving mate, just say no!

You are talking total waffle

20 Jan 2015 18:07:29
You honestly think Erikesn would get in ahead of Ozil or Cazorla? Or Kane is better than Giroud?

I'll give you Lloris as he is a class keeper and way better than anything we have, but the rest of your squad is average.

Btw raver, who's etc? You've named your only three players worth having there are 11 in a team and about 25 in your squad.

20 Jan 2015 20:03:44
And you all missed Saint's very funny joke lol.

20 Jan 2015 21:19:51
Behave ya self Dags, no one could have missed that cracker!

20 Jan 2015 21:49:40
Lol Red :-)

I do like Erikson. He was a bargain

{Ed025's Note - good player DG..

20 Jan 2015 22:13:52
Prefer his brother, Sony.

{Ed025's Note - thanks for chering..

20 Jan 2015 23:06:51
That was terrible Ed lol.

Loris yes, erikson wouldn't get near and neither would Kane, I'd take Pauli. A, no i'm to much sometimes

One of the worst jokes ever by dags there. and there's a lot to beat. but he has.

dark day for this page

{Ed025's Note - he has been attending the john bishop school of comedy DG,..

20 Jan 2015 12:42:36
Why does everyone think we have to play chelsea away from home, and that we are going to loose is a given, and I also people mentioned spurs I mean seriously.

if anything those are the 2 games I see us winning, barring no injuries, and we carry on our current form, the one to look is utd away, and I am a bit positive of us nicking that one if they continue to play 3 at the back, and we are not wasteful

The first paragraph has lost me lol

20 Jan 2015 11:41:49
Apparently Winston Reid has told WH that he wants to join us if we bid.

If reports are true that we are interested in a pretty much unknown CD for £15m I don't understand why we don't just get him, they want £8m will probably take £5m and he is a proven prem player.

Come on AW pay the money!

Surely if West Ham wish to sign Jenkinson on a permanent basis, Reid would provide some sort of swop deal.
I can't see us taking Jenkinson back, as we have the superb Debuchy, fast improving Bellerin and Chambers, who can all play at right back.
Unless of course we are not interested in signing Reid or the clubs are too far apart on the financial figures.

Reid is rubbish you don't want him

The only thing I can see is that maybe he will come for free in the summer it may be that his agent is telling him he will benefit financially.

It's a no brainer for me even at £8m, we need a CD and he is proven, we are being linked with unproven players for 10-15m

Ed02, if you would be kind enough to grace us with your knowledge, do you think it is still possible? It seems to have gone quiet there since a week ago.

{Ed002's Note - I would think if a bid arrives from a club he is attracted to (e.g. Arsenal) then Reid will go. He can negotiate with non-EPL sides now and sign a pre-contract if he finds something suitable - that means walking in the summer with him getting a fatter signing on fee and WHU getting zip. Alternatively he could take his chances and wait until the summer and see what is available.}

He can't be too bad, he's kept you lot out of the bottom three!

20 Jan 2015 02:46:46
I think the win against Man City was important for the fact that the players feel that hoodoo has been broken that seems to have been around for a few years since we lost to Man United a few years ago.

I think that was affecting us a lot going into the big game, we use to go in all nervous and we would throw the game away fairly early on.

If the players have that belief now that we can beat anyone it will only be a positive from here for the rest of the season as we can play on the counter or try and play a possession game.

It goes to show that what's more important than specific players is having the team all put in a shift for the 90 minutes.

Bring on the rest of the season!

pabs00

20 Jan 2015 00:04:29
Would be happy with Le Coq and Ramsey for rest of the season. Ramsey playing more expansively at home and against the lesser teams. Just hope tactics not a one off. By the way this Paulista looks a real athletic defender / DM . Arsene has been incredibly frustrating but am for the foreseeable in the Wenger Stay camp - always have been but he doesn`t make it easy sometimes!! COYG