Arsenal Banter Archive July 20 2013

20 Jul 2013 22:21:31
Arsenal = 1 signing from french Dviv 2

Man City = 4 players for around £100m

Just saying!

Sussex Gooner

20 Jul 2013 23:55:50
jesus navas = homesick
fernandinho = overpriced, unproven in a top league, not even in brazil squad, player.
jovetic = still trying to decide if he's a ST or CAM
Negredo = kept out of Spain team by Torres (enough said).

JW. 10

Jw. 10 you wouldn't like any of them at arsenal no?

21 Jul 2013 01:24:24
maybe jovetic cause he's young enough to develop but none to go into first team as I feel we already have better.

JW. 10

Id take jovetic maybe negredo. but that's now, ask me again in september

Jesus Navas and Joveitc

Navas is a good quick winger who can dribble at high speed with skill.

He starts ahead of Mata.

Jovetic couldn't be a good CAM.

Negredo isn't a bad squad player
Fernandinho = hell no rather keep Frimpong

21 Jul 2013 08:29:12
Look like good signings to me. Time will tell I suppose.

Navas is more of a headless chicken than Walcott on the wing, runs like a person into the corner and then doesn't have the first clue what to do with it {Ed027's Note - he gets past players Walcott, Navas is more of a winger than Walcott will ever be

20 Jul 2013 20:43:04
Question] what would your opinion of wenger be if Cesc signed for united and we didn't even make a bid?

Depends on who we signed

Depends if Cesc told him he was not interested in coming home as seen what RVP has done

Depends if Wenger has never forgiven him for forcing the move to Barca

I trust Wenger to make the right decision

SY4

If Wenger didn't even try to talk him around, I'll be pissed.
Flybo

Not good opinion

20 Jul 2013 23:24:34
Seriously, if Cesc what's to go play for the Mancs with Moyes in charge, good luck to him.

If there is one of the top four heading down its that bunch of arrogant knunts.

I'd have a bigger problem with Cesc. I'd poo through his letterbox.

1404

21 Jul 2013 08:32:20
It would break my heart to see Cesc in a man u shirt - seriously. Couldn't bare to see him line up against us.

Jayjay

20 jul 2013 20:11:21
iv read today that man u up there offer to £30m for cesc, the reason man u muppets increased their offer from £25m to £30m because barca have to pay £5m penalty to arsenal for not giving them first refusal right as stated in the contract when they bought fabregas

any ed's confirm if this is fact, we all know about the us having first refusal but is it fact that if barca don't give us first refusal they only have to pay £5m. ifso that sounds like a bum deal for us and what was the point of ever even putting a first refusal clause in the contract {Ed027's Note - not true, we get 50% of anything above 25m

20 Jul 2013 19:22:58
Although I know it won't happen I'd love Cesc to rejoin, aside from being a fantastic footballer it means I can reclaim my 06 away kit with Fabregas on the back, currently stashed in the no longer our player section of my kit pile.

Any of you guys got kits with names on the back that you regret getting? I'm sure someone out there is hiding a personalised Cygan shirt. I luckily never got an RVP or Nasri shirt despite flirting with the idea at the time. For this season I'll probably get.

GunnerBob

Reyes. I was sure he was going to be a star.

Arshavin. Didn't regret it at first. I really do now though hahah.

Before Henry left I was not seen without him on my back.

I got Eduardo at the start of his first season. we all know how that panned out!

JQuan

I just stay safe and get nameless shirts

15 Schwarz (spelling and old school)
TheDude

Cole. Gold sega kit. what a pleb. It is currently in the decorating cloths cupboard with cashley scribbled on it in marker pen. :-)

Spartakusmark

Park. :p

21 Jul 2013 00:02:16
I got RVP and my cousin got Nasri both are now turned to ash

JW. 10

20 Jul 2013 23:03:55
I have a nasri and a van p'ssy absolutely gutted close to 100 notes on players I'm close to wiping my arse with

Willie young.

top player

malaga gooner

Good post

R. V. P. I can honestly say I posted it back to the emirates club shop and asked or a refund.

I am still waiting for a reply to this day.

Malaga, you couldn't get names on the back then it's since the premier league

Jeez is there nothing you don't tell porkies about?!

Aleksander Hleb 13

I was certain he'd stay on to be our new Pires!

D

I had anelka and he left 6 months later, I got my next 2 shirts right tho. bergkamp and henry :-)

Mine are nameless apart from the Arteta one. And if he left tomorrow I'd have no regrets.

These days I will hold off buying kits until I feel the layer is really part of the club, and won't leave either for money or because they are misused by Wenger and aren't happy.

I'd buy a Podolski shirt, for example. Not a Gerv shirt.

20 Jul 2013 18:34:02
How much do you think Marek Hamsik would be available for? Also has Belhanda moved and I've missed it?

Holmesy

As the Eds often say, money just confuses people so it's best not to discuss it. And yes, he did.

Belhanda went to Dynamo Kiev

20 Jul 2013 17:20:04
A question.
If you saw Wenger right now in front of you, what would you say to him?

What's your favourite flavoured crisps?
Flybo

Get on the phone to David Dein and ask him back to handle transfer negotiations.

What are you doing in my bedroom?

oleg maputo

I love you

Thank you for everything he has done for the club and ask how are we planning to get back to winning ways fast.

SY4

I like that question man, a nice one!

I guess for my two Pennies worth, part of me would ask him to sign someone big, for us.
To buy that top core of a GK, DM and striker we need, and haven't had since Lehmann, Gilberto and Henry.
I don't think we need CB's to start, As PM and LK are top notch.
But a experienced rotation wouldn't hurt.
I'd tell him that even though I'm kinda down about the lack of improvement and Achievement at arsenal in the last 8 years, my pride and thanks for what he did do and has done, outweigh that massively.

But more than any of that, I'd say to him, that even though we're stocked with AM's, and he's not what we actually need now, do whatever you have to, to stop any chance of Cesc joining Utd.

D

Oleg maputo
That tickled me :-)
Flybo

Could you sign my shirt?
Could I get a picture?
Who are we signing?

And in that order.

Put your clothes on, I'm not a doctor. {Ed027's Note - nobody said he was naked, I fear for you

My question would be.
Why do you let the club you supposedley love get muggeg off year in year out? I understand that there is more to it then what some of the ignorant narrow minded fans think but surely we have some say and even any pride to let our best players go to our direct and indirect rivals? Hoping this year will be different!!!

But nobody said he wasn't naked Eh? {Ed027's Note - fair enough

Do you need help with your zip
GG

Andre santos. Why?

20 Jul 2013 21:53:38
if finishing fourth is such an achievement, why not have it written alongside our 13 league, 10 fa cups, 2 league cups and 2 european trophies in the match day programme. you need to raise the bar because we have been going backwards while 3/4 teams around us have been improving. we have been patient for long enough. give us something to get excited about.

20 Jul 2013 16:40:38
Sky now saying man u have bid £30 mil plus add ons for cesc and he would happily go, if wenger let's that happen he seriously needs to go and would want laundrup from Swansea to replace him, he would be the perfect fit?

20 Jul 2013 17:20:36
with one years experience. don't make me laugh km

I am not anti-wenger, but nor I am blinkered or a wenger "fan" per se.

But I have to say if wenger allowed this transfer to happen i. e. didn't even attempt to bring cesc back, then I would have to agree with you.

many of us still haven't got over rvp and are looking for the club to make amends this season.

There would be a lot of anger about this transfer.

In saying all that, I just don't see it happening.
LG

20 Jul 2013 15:54:58
does a new manager at barca mean cesc future could be more doubtful in terms of playing time and appearances.

wishful thinking.

I think it is wishful thinking tbh-

but it could depend on who comes into manage now- you never know cesc may be unhappy about the appointment etc

But a long shot.

20 Jul 2013 15:20:11
Ed what is the latest with Arsenal in terms of Fabregas? I keep reading contradictory information in the press and would be grateful if you could clear it up for me if possible. Today I saw one report saying Fabregas has told friends he will only return to England with Arsenal but he wants to stay in Barcelona. Then I see others saying Manchester United are confident of landing him from Barcelona with there new offer of £30 million plus add-ons, and that his preference would be United over us. I saw Wenger talking about the player saying he won't move and that we have a clause in the contract but that isn't something we are after. I can't imagine him at United, but would be even more frustrated if we didn't make use of the clause we inserted into his contract. I must admit that I have become more worried at the possibility of him joining United than any players we are interested in signing. Hoping you have good news! {Ed027's Note - Barca have said he won't leave, Wenger has summed it up. I was also told Utd never made a bid it was just an enquiry, but sly made it out to be a bid to make Utd and Arsenal fans throw money on it, they aslo said City and Chelsea are interested, nothing concrete if you ask me

Thanks for the reply Ed appreciate it :)

20 Jul 2013 15:18:37
Why are we not making any sort of attempt to re-sign fabregas? All I'm hearing is man united man united man united, nothing about arsenal over this deal. We got royally shafted over the price and inserted a so called clause to just ignore it! I don't get it!
I'm really really angry over this issue now. I mean it's a great time to have him back, I love arteta and rosicky but age is an issue with them long term, wenger seems to think there is a year when cesc moves, and I don't think that's the case, he is going somewhere this summer and at the minute it ain't to us. why don't we buy him and leave him at Barcelona on loan. Just to secure him I mean

Wenger has spoken to Fabregas prior to Manchester United's interest as he does so regularly but had it confirmed by Fabregas that he would stay for another year as he truly does want to stay at Barcelona but has reportedly told close friends and Wenger Arsenal is the only club he would leave Barca for as he said publicly before. If Manchester United bid 35m/36m cash Barca are willing to accept the bid then our buy back clause will be activated.

He will not go to Manchester United he could of before his Barca move but rejected him.

We aren't going for him because its a waste of time. He is 100% not leaving Barcelona, the Vice President, wenger and fabregas himself have all said he's not leaving. Please forget about him for now.

20 Jul 2013 14:34:24
I'm just going to say it, we won't sign Higuain or Suarez.

We will sign some half decent player that not many people have heard of, he will be good at best and that will be it.

I'm not believing any of this "We can afford Rooney and more" crap until I see it.
They say the same s*** every year and whilst I know we have more money now, that doesn't mean we will spend it.

I told myself that I wouldn't get excited about the Hoguain rumours, but then I heard about the quotes from his family/agent, then I was sort of beginning to expect it.
Where is he? If Real Madrid weren't being such people about it and didn't raise the price last minute (apparently), he'd be on our list. Even when we do the right thing and actually try to sign quality, for whatever reason, it doesn't happen.

Suarez was NEVER going to happen, too expensive.
We put in a 30 mil bid. for a player that's worth 40 mil +
If we bid 30 mil for 30 mil players, instead of 30 mil for 40 mil players, then we will start landing some bloody targets.
But Wenger will only pay what he thinks a player is worth. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that, if we want to sign the big names, we will have to pay the big bucks. Even if it's a bit over what you think he's worth.

Different if they ask for way too much, but if it's a 2-3 mil in dispute, then just fecking give it to them. No point losing out on the player we actually want over a few million. The titles that we can win with those players will more than make up for the extra money we spent on transfers e. g. MAN UTD.
I'm not asking for Manchester City/35 mil = Carroll/38 mil = Fernandinho type spending. But how much did Mata go to Chelsea for? 23.5 mil? We offered 20. Mucked around. Chelsea came in with a 3.5 mil more (and wages I know - wouldn't have mattered - he wanted to sign for us with the wages we offered) and it was all over.

Bottom line - Arsenal can talk all they like but actions speak louder than words. I'm happy we are trying to sign some top quality, but please don't mess deals up over a few mil. We have money now? Prove it.

Nick.

We did not offer 20m for Mata we offered about 16m his buy out clause was 18m but that expired and he went to Chelsea for about 20 something.

20 Jul 2013 14:08:04
not been on for a while always have a look to see the banter though, malaga has not changed since i've been on here, fair play lad, stick to your guns!

i would love to know what changes are afoot this summer!

looks like we might spend big. but then all trails go cold, so frustrating being a gooner in the summer.

dubz

20 Jul 2013 12:54:22
I suppose we are all relatively happy that Santos has left.

But he did score an important goal in a game that secured us Champs league.

so at the very least, I wish him luck for the future

:)

noobGooner

20 Jul 2013 10:04:34
IT'S OFFICIAL, Santos has gone, we might not be signing any big names yet, but we are certainly clearing out the no hopers.

20 Jul 2013 09:38:45
If the Bernard rumour is true it will be good to see a left sided player come in. We lack quality wide play at the moment and this would enable Podolski to play in his favoured position as a left sided forward. These rumours could be just early stage Negotiations from our team so don't get too excited. I still believe our priority should be a forward and defensive midfielder, plus a keeper. I read that our dreadful Brazilian left Back has agreed to terminate his contract which entitles him to own 50% of his own rights. km

20 Jul 2013 08:00:36
Liverpool now demanding £50million for Suarez. Apparently. Ed, what is the clause in his contract regarding £40million?

NE Gooner {Ed001's Note - just allows clubs to speak to him, nothing more.}

Ed could you please explain what benefit that clause has to either the player or Liverpool?

If it's not a buy-out then it doesn't help the player move. A £40m bid can be rejected and a move still blocked, which is what we might be seeing now. So it doesn't benefit the player. From the club's angle, what's the point in even permitting the clause if you have no intention of letting the player's talks with other clubs amount to anything?

I think I'm missing something here. A £40m 'you may talk to other clubs but we don't have to sell you to them' clause seems pointless. The only thing I can think of is that it sets a benchmark fee for the player that the club would expect. Which is also pointless as factors affect the fee. e. g. age, quality, consistency, duration of contract remaining, baggage, desire to stay/leave etc. {Ed001's Note - it has no benefits to Liverpool, who really didn't want the clause at all. What it does is allow Suarez to see what he gets offered elsewhere and, if he likes the colour of their money, force through a move, like he did at Groningen and Ajax. Suarez would have preferred a more solid clause, but he was never going to get one, Liverpool would have preferred no clause, but they would never have got him to sign his new contract without one. I think it just shows what kind of little turd he actually is, personally. His only interest is in himself, on and off the pitch.}

Thanks Ed. I was trying to work out what the angle is with that clause, I understand it now.

To be fair to Suarez, when you know how good you are, you don't join Liverpool who weren't in the CL without any clause in your contract, that's to be expected. I'm not saying Liverpool shouldn't feel disappointed that it has come down to it now after only a couple of seasons with the club, of course they deserve to be angry with the player, as do the fans etc, but they were never going to land him without some sort of release clause or other!

No when he signed for Liverpool there was no release clause

20 Jul 2013 07:24:24
Now i'm hearing that Madrid want to offer Higuain plus 20mil for Suarez.
Could miss out on both of true, will be trulely gutted if they pull this off.

If they're offering Higuain around then he's definitely not going to be convinced to stay. Also, he will want CL football. so all that'll happen there would be isolating their striker even more and having to ship him to another club for less money before they can even consider Suarez. probably be to Napoli though.

AP

That's if Higuain wants to go join them, which I doubt very much.

Estepona gooner

20 Jul 2013 02:17:36
Suarez is really making me think twice.

Is it a south american team, trying to force his way out no matter what?

Yes I want him at arsenal, and yes he is world class, but one good season and he could be shouting for a move to monaco for all we know.

Wenger should put a 50mill buyout if we buy him for 40mill.

In one sense a player like him shows ambition to compete for titles, on the other hand, I know exactly how it feels to sell to a competitor, when your team needs the player to compete.

life is never fair I guess.

the other bit of news is Tito villanova - man I hope he get well. bad luck the poor guy.

with tito stepping down, AVB being linked, and he said recently

"It's a difficult situation, " Villas-Boas told News, speaking after Spurs' goalless pre-season friendly draw at Colchester.

"All my wishes are with Tito. If he has to resign over illness, it's not the time to speak about speculation. "
Andre Villas-Boas
"At this time, all my wishes are with Tito. If he has to resign over illness, it's not the time to speak about speculation.

"We're speaking about a person's health, it's not even a question. "

He then goes on to reiterate bale is not for sale.


However, he did not flatly reject any interest from Barcelona, and if they put out an offer to him, how could he refuse?

Messi, Neymar, Iniesta, Xavi, Cesc. or a one year rental Bale?

and what if AVB does depart, does that mean the chimp will think, i'm going to madrid?

this window is about to get crazy.

Why would u insert a buyout clause if u dnt need to? What happens if u pay £40m then he goes and bags 40 goals? wouldn't u want close to the £80m real paid for ronaldo?
CTR

Lakerville

Good point. I know how unhappy you all see with RVP yet here we are with you chasing Suarez and we had it with Ronaldo and now Rooney. It's the way players are now, well some of them anyway

AJH

He should put ina 70 million buy out clause come on guys there rich take advantage

20 Jul 2013 00:11:34
Rumours suggest that we may be in for Bernard, but despite his talent, his price tag is probably too high for someone so young and unproven, and if he plays wide left, then he would be expected to support his left-back (which would be difficult for him), and I think that is why Cazorla is normally played out on the left as he tracks back well and is quality when we break forward.

19 Jul 2013 23:07:14
just watching arsenal in a classic game on tv we didn't win anything that year 2006 but by god we showed everyone in the league how to play the beautiful game, really miss the effortless freeflowing football we used to play, the passing and movement was so slick and fast.
a few quality signings and we would reproduce that football i'm sure.
bring back cesc get suarez and a quality experienced goalie we would be there.


ty. 1

So true. The fluidity of our game is so poor compared to then.
AG

19 Jul 2013 23:05:19
Just had a thought - could we have afforded to pay Van Persie megabucks last season and get him to sign? I mean, why couldn't we announce our wealth and ability to pay "Rooney-like" wages last season? We were rumoured to be loaded at the end of last season, so surely we could've payed up with VP, or was he genuinely looking to go elsewhere for reasons other than money, because if it was just money, why couldn't we have payed these huge wages like we can supposedly now?

Simple. We didn't have the revenue last season compared to this season: I. e. : new sponsorship deals

When a player wants to leave he wants to leave.

19 Jul 2013 23:01:24
Bernard Rumour? maybe anyhow he looks very small but a bit of a messy, very similar to Carzola but very quick. em not sure he would be right for us. as he maybe pushed of the ball to easy when the going gets tough.

19 Jul 2013 22:31:24
I got a wierd feeling we are going to end up with Rooney? Not saying it in a bad way, he is a great player it's just a gut feeling, would rather higuian though but the way wenger treats us we prob won't get any. Take a page out of stokes book wenger, free away tickets because revenue is good with new tv sponser.