Arsenal Banter Archive June 21 2013

21 Jun 2013 23:19:51
rosicky would of been sold last summer if he had not had an injury.

he is talking to clubs now.

cesc is his replacement.


malaga gooner

He signed a new contract just before the end of last season. So why would he have been sold? And cesc won't be moving this summer

3434

Agree 3434

If Rosicky is speaking to other clubs, then that is a shame.
He has had a rotten time with injuries since he has been with us, but when he has been fit has always given 100%.
He has over the last couple of seasons, helped us reach top 4 in PL. Can't see Cesc at Arsenal this coming season though.

Ahhaaaaahaha you crack me up! what do you smoke to see these visions?

Well said 3434. Malaga has been spouting this rubbish about Rosicky for 2 years. Eventually when he goes/retires he'll claim his first correct ITK post.

The only way Cesc will leave is if Barca are shown to be liars by signing another attacking mid, like Mata, and Cesc being pushed further down the pecking order

Paul

Hurray for 3434 - simple common sense. Cesc is not coming back to Arsenal. Xavi is 34 this coming season and will not be able to simply keep going at 60 plus games a year, and Thiago looks like a possible move to United.
Barcelona are the club Cesc loves and he was so desperate to return to, he simply will not leave so quickly. As for Rosicky leaving, well yes one day he will but I get the feeling not yet, why would he when both the club and he seem happy.
Malaga posts so much rubbish that you should give him his own page - fun at times - but kind of boring and irritating after a while.

The Ghost of Terry Mancini

21 Jun 2013 22:37:30
What ever happened to the Sanogo talk? Both he and Kondogbia, who we have also been linked with, scored today for France u20's. Both Very promising player who I would like to see at Arsenal

HP

I would assume the Sonogo transfer talk stopped because he joined Arsenal.

I thought he had signed ages ago.

Sanogo is an Arsenal player although he cannot officially sign 'til 1st July.

He has however signed a pre-contract agreed a few months ago stating that he would join the club.

21 Jun 2013 20:58:57
This higuain deal has potential to be a great deal. We get a great striker who just is an unbelievable goal scorer and we also could possibly be supplying Real Madrid the extra money needed for a bale deal. Wow how great would this be.

Steve

If us buying higuain meant bale would go to Madrid I would be in heaven lol I work with two spurs fans and I'm also related to a spurs fan so it would be hilarious if we were the final push for his transfer!

If Bale goes to Madrid, it's because Ronaldo goes to United. Spurs can keep Bale and keep finishing 5th.

Paul

Bale will not be going this summer.
If spurs finish 5th again next year, he will be gone. Yes, I'm a spurs fan and I see good business by both our clubs this summer. Looks like we have agreed to sign paulinho which is a good signing for us, as is higuain for you.
I would love to see our 2 teams push the chavs and Manchester hard next season and mess them up a bit. I know there is a big rivalry between our clubs but we both run our clubs the right way
and play very good football. Good luck next season. I'm looking forward to game 3 already.

Unless you make some more good signings you'll struggle to make 5th. Can't see Bale carrying you again for another season

Shouldn't really agree with a spud but my personal stance on spurs has mellowed somewhat over last few seasons as long as we finish above you I would prefer your lot in top 4 than any of others purely because chelski and cities money have fuxxed the league up, and come on everyone hates scumchester utd don't they, so sound, good luck to you and yours too, just not to much eh

21 Jun 2013 19:31:54
Hi ed banter please, if we bought higuain fellani Rooney and cesar where does everyone think we would finish?

Bergkamp5353

1st, easy. {Ed027's Note - difficult to say, knowing others will strengthen

I would say 2nd. Because it takes a few years to work your way up to be champions. And to get players settled in

3434

1st.

You watch us.

I got 30000 / 1 on the QUADRUPLE!

Lol arsenal will still finish fourth, just a comfortable fourth.

Doesn't it all depend who the others sign? I'm guessing United will sign the world class midfielder they so obviously need, City will spend the oil millions, and Chelski surely must improve under Mourinho?

If City didn't improve and Chelski were as weird as last season ( dependent on Lampard when Mata and Hazard couldn't do the trick), then we'd get second. The defensive midfield isn't good enough, and yes I know the defence was surprisingly strong last year but they aren't title level.

At a guess third but maybe a very comfortable fourth unless we sign the CDM and CD we have needed for a lifetime now.

The Ghost of Terry Mancini

21 Jun 2013 18:43:34
anyone else worried now Man City have given up on singing Cavani City may turn their attention to Higuain

Limerick Gunner {Ed027's Note - That would be me

Juve sporting director Bebbe Marotta said of Higuain
“To my knowledge, Higuain is already elsewhere”
now i’m 101% sure higuian is an arsenal player. Joyous news.
Arsenal has flown to madrid to finalise the deal

Ed, correct me if i'm wrong but didn't higuain state that he wants to move to a club where he starts regularly?

surely that won't happen at city with tevez and aguero there?

thanks,
Trinidad-Gooner {Ed027's Note - With rumours of Tevez possibly going....and Dzeko mind, they'll be in the hunt for 2, I can just imagine them taking Jovetic and Higuain!

I'm with Ed027 on this.

From fully confident to absolutely bricking it in the few moments it took me to hear about the failed Cavani bid.

It's almost worth them buying him just so that we can't!

I do apologize regarding my copied post above, these were not my words but another person from JustArsenal fan's site. City will still retain some interest in Jovetic after postponing a deal to sign him last summer. I can see City going back in for Cavani if i'm honest a compromise can be made somehow regarding him and Dzeko seems the likely option.

Have faith Arsenal fans Higuain will become an Arsenal player, he wants to join we have agreed personal terms and an acceptable fee has been offered. Juventus can't simply afford him but I can't see City going from entering negotiations for Cavani with a release clause of 53m and giving up on the first round.

21 Jun 2013 17:26:31
I have got a real bad feeling regarding the Higiuan deal.

21 Jun 2013 16:15:41
Arsenal officials have flown out to Madrid to finalise the deal to bring Gonzalo Higuain to the Emirates Stadium, Goal can reveal.

21 Jun 2013 16:55:34
totally agree with one of ed's comments.
"a new manager for real should either speed up or break the deal for higuain to be one of us"

last time we won our first match against villa, we ended up winning the league!.

The last time palace was in the league we won a trophy

watford gooner

Only when its in Arsenal.com will I pop the bubbly, until then hold thumbs! Exciting times.

21 Jun 2013 15:41:52
How would you guys feel about a bid for Mata if Mourinho doesn't guarantee his future and how would you feel about our chances?

He'd get the opportunity to stay in the premier league, be the focus of a team and stay in london.

However if he goes to barca as rumors believe maybe we could land cesc or even sanchez.

My two cents

Young gunner

I don't like popping balloons, but I don't think there is any chance sadly.

Trinidad-Gooner

Not sure he will join us remember he choose Chelsea over us initialy however we have a few more spainards in the team so who knows.

I for one think he would be a great addition!
Mark1234

21 Jun 2013 14:09:03
I heard we have shown interest in the young fullback Matthias Zimmermann

21 Jun 2013 13:53:01
Latest Fellani news:
He is staying put at Everton for another year to see if they can get into a CL place.
Personally I feel he should move now. No way they will get there in a year. They need to invest money in players which they won't do so aren't going to get there.

He said the same last summer. In fact you might have just read the same quote just brought back up

I think they'd be doing well to get in the top 10 with Martinez as manager.

Personally I think we can find better dm/cm for 22mil anyway. don't get me wrong he is a good player but don't believe he suit us.

I found Martinez statement quite commical when he said, "I thought it was just the right time to move from wigan". Yes Martinez, relagating a team does tend to have that affect on people.
'I moved away from my house when it got burnt down, I don't know why, just a feeling in my waters"
Flybo

21 Jun 2013 13:37:50
Here's one to consider. Every time I have seen Puncheon play for Southampton I think to myself he might make a decent player at Arsenal. What does anyone else think?

21 Jun 2013 15:18:55
I assume you're joking?

To be a boot cleaner?

watford gooner

I didn't know he was going in for the op, not sure would make bench for ladies anyway

21 Jun 2013 12:39:19
Higuain set for medical very shortly, should get everything confirmed soon and ready to sing on july 1st.

Fellaini deal being worked on still, wenger very keen on completing it quickly to avoid other clubs becoming involved.

Fabregas won't be coming, don't get your hopes up.

Ashley Williams looks unlikely as he would mainly be used as a backup CB, expect another CB instead, possible big german signing.

Heard that m'vila is being looked at again as he doesn't like russia, hope not though.

Joel Campbell sent on loan to crystal palace if permit can be sorted.

Ed, if arsenal raise their wage cap this summer, are there any other players who have it in their contract that they will get their wages matched with highest earner?

The Goon

21 Jun 2013 15:25:23
Higuain is close, but not 'set to have medical' close. So that's loose speculation.

Your stuff about Fabregas, Fellaini and Williams is media guff - you cannot possibly know in precise detail.

M'Vila is, again, purely the press. No way we're looking at him again if we're 'working on a Fellaini deal'.

Finally, Joel Campbell doesn't need a work permit to play in England now. He has 24 caps for country and has played in both Spain and France.

You may not have been trying to sound like an ITK, but either way you could try not spouting and reposting what the media have been whipping up.

21 Jun 2013 15:32:21
someone posted this not long before you: "higuan deal definitely not agreed with either madrid or the player himself, juventus are still very much in the running".

so which is it, lol?

that's the problem, so many conflicting rumours depending on which sites you look at.

Hey "The Goon", presuming you are right and it's done and dusted on the 1st July, what song do you think Higuain will sing?

How about "At Last" by Etta James?

Maybe "Signed, Sealed, Delivered, I'm Yours", the Stevie Wonder classic?

Thoughts from our fellow boardsters please.

CECEGUaW

The Kinks' "You Real-ly Got Me" would seem appropriate.

21 Jun 2013 12:14:44
Arsenal to be interested in Barcalona winger Tello

21 Jun 2013 11:42:15
Need to know something. Does anyone really believe David Villa would be a good buy for Arsenal taking into consideration his age etc. And if we were to get him what mileage would we get out of him?

I am hoping that it is only a rumour! Not worth dropping all that money on him. Might as well have a punt on Gary Hooper!

Churchill Gooner

I wouldn't want him.

1404

Take villa, sell gervinho, shouldn't cost a lot would definitely improve the team

21 Jun 2013 10:18:45
People stop saying we have higuian we a million miles away from getting him not even agreed a fee Juventus and Napoli want him as tv reported this morning we won't pay the money stop dreaming

Well, that's different from what most media reports are saying and a few people apparently itk here- Latest is he just needs to pass a medical for the deal to be completed.

like most transfers, it's take your pick in who you want to believe tbh!


Either way, we have to wait and see what happens.

21 Jun 2013 09:29:34
Ever since the whole Malaga Gooner and Hazard incident that I got hyped about (turns out all for nothing), I've been very cautious about believing rumours. In other words, I don't believe anything until it's confirmed by Arsenal.

Although, I've seen a lot of people saying that Higuain is a certainty to sign for Arsenal and the deal is just about done.
Hopefully these rumours are true, Higuain is a gun striker. One of the best chance to goal ratios, something we desperately need.

Eds/posters, out of 10,

How likely is it that Higuain will sign for Arsenal?

And also, if a deal is 'done', why hasn't it been announced that we have reached an agreement to sign him, so other clubs can't get him?

Thanks guys,

Nick.

I'd say 8/10 to sign. Everything is gathering quite a bit of pace.

3434

You can't really say out of 10 how likely mate - it could be nailed on, terms agreed, but then one club he is happy to also go to comes in with an offer of a bit more and there goes our signing.

I am bitter about Mata for example but the problem is Chelsea would have just kept going until his price was higher than £30m because it's what they do. Until we're prepared to go above and beyond, our chances are at best 50/50 with regards to any signing.

I don't know why we haven't offered £30m for him, he's an unbelievable player and in today's market that's an average price for a striker of his talents/conversion+ experience+age.

That said, we all know deals can often be done weeks before the media even starts speculating. There's nothing to say we haven't had a deal agreed for weeks but the clubs want to wait before making an announcement. This could be because of the manager fiasco, or it could be because the selling club want to get a replacement in place before Higuain's sale is announced, which means they might also have to wait for the replacement's club to get their replacement player too - you just never know what goes on behind closed doors, one thing we all know for certain is the media rarely has a clue when it comes to Arsenal. It seems that with regards to other clubs they tend to be spot on e. g. Chelsea, City etc but with us, almost never.

As for the malaga rumours, I know we all got burned but make no mistake, we were interested in Hazard, everyone knows that. I think the main problem is that Malaga says 'we are 100% signing X' instead of saying 'we're looking at X' haha.

End of the day he and I both said a long time ago Song was off and we were right. People on here went awol when it happened like they didn't know but it was obvious. We were interested in Hazard, we had agreed terms with Mata, we'd probably even agreed terms with Cahill, we placed a huge bid for Goetze that got KBd. Hell we were bidding £20m for Reina 3 years ago!

A lot goes on that ends up resulting in no signings but it doesn't mean you should be apprehensive of rumours. Things just don't work out. Trouble is with us it's far too often, and for that reason I can understand why we 'let it out' that we're interested in one players while we do deals with another.

As for this Southampton/Cardiff Wanyama stuff, this could be true but could also be total nonsense from his agent or the club trying to get a bidding war. There are plenty of DMs out there at reasonable prices and Wanyama is not a cut above many, he's just 'as good', so the specific demand for him is not there especially given the league he plays in. So if Celtic are trying to spark some kind of bidding war to up the price he goes for then that would make sense. Can't see Cardiff or Saints capturing him tbh.

I almost have to totally disengage from AFC during this period, for my own sanity. A few weeks ago I was uber positive but one bad night's sleep and suddenly things look bad, so I just have to distract myself and see what happens!

Metal, you seem to be the first person on this site that understands how we missed out on Mata. Chevski kept on bidding higher! {Ed027's Note - We pulled out of Mata, the deal was done, Mata wanted to come, Wenger bottled it (Reyes) (risks), we pulled out Chelsea sealed the deal, biggest mistake in a while, but then think we wouldn't of had Santi

Ed, theoretically why wouldn't Wenger bottle the Higuain deal? {Ed027's Note - He could do, but now we can take risks, the money is there to be spent, before it was there but we needed it for cover

21 Jun 2013 08:15:07
Some interesting stats I came across for the 2012/2013:

Overall Possession:
1 Arsenal 58. 17%
2 Man U 58. 03%
3 Liverpool 57. 19%

Pass Success
1 Man U 86%
2 Arsenal 86%
3 Man City 85%

Shot Accuracy
1 Man U 49%
2 Spurs 49%
3 Arsenal 48%

Total Chances Created
1 Liverpool 550
2 Spurs 516
3 Man City 509
*5 Arsenal 462

Most Error Prone Teams
Total errors and goals conceded as a result of error:
1 Wigan (T. E) 36 (G. C) 16 = 44%
2 Arsenal (T. E) 37 (G. C) 14 = 37%
3 Newcastle (T. E) 38 (G. C) 11 = 28%

Interesting. Tells mewe need another Santi Cazorla.
AG

It will be interesting to see the same stats, but just from the last games. I wouldn't be suprised if we are on top

Wow fascinating. I wonder how many points we dropped because of those goals conceded as a result of an error?

Shows what could happen if we cut out mistakes

I have said this enough times Rosicky, Ramsey and Wilshere do not contribute enough in creating chances, and our wing back don't either. This makes a massive difference. Look at Liverpool, all their mids create chances and Johnson spends half the game in the box! Then Sagna who can't cross a ball or make an assist :/
Same with Zab, he's like Alves in terms of his contribution in attack.

We need ACMs badly. Also ACMs who can play wide. E. g. Hazard and Mata. Santi is ineffective until he drifts inside.

Look how creative Coutinho will be for Liverpool next season - he will be next season's Mata mark my words! Unbelievable player, he makes passes like Fabregas, not even Hazard and Mata make the passes he does - you can do that kind of stuff when you feed a player as good as Suarez, the ball is like a magnet to his feet! Who in our front line can receive a pass from any angle at pace? Probably none. Basically we need a talent update!

Nice post metal giving some of our lads a nice write up, the lad is really class and your word he could be the next seasons mata is spot on. If the mighty reds don't win the league i'm gunning for the gunners to win it mate. All the best for next season lads YNWA

Scottybhoy 1888

If its about the Hazards and Matas, Chelsea's name should be first here!

Lanz {Ed027's Note - weren't in for Hazard last summer, it was the summer before that, when we got Gervinho

Last 10 games 2 errors no goals as a direct result ( well that's what opta claim) although I can clearly remember Sagna making a mistake and then trying to cover up and giving away a penalty against Man U. Not sure how they calculate this to be honest.

Opta, did an individual error points gained points lost table. Arsenal apparently win the league. Sounds pretty questionable to me but that is opts problem. I think there is also a debatable refereeing decisions table. I would not mind seeing our Position in an aggregated table. I think to your question according to opta is plus 7 points whereas united was minus 14 points.

21 Jun 2013 06:30:44
Have not got a song in mind for Higuain yet but heres one for Rooney. Um Errr, Um Errr Um Errr You know, Um Errr You know. That's it. Please NO I will cringe watching him in an Arsenal shirt giving a post match interview. Yes as you can tell I'm not a Rooney fan at all. Don't know what it is about him but every time I see him and hear him it's like someone scratching their nails on a blackboard. Apart from that I've said it before he is well over rated.

21 Jun 2013 02:58:49
Arsenal shareholder Alisher Usmanov wants Wayne Rooney at Arsenal

ARSENAL's second-largest shareholder Alisher Usmanov has called on Arsene Wenger to buy Wayne Rooney.

i say if he wants wenger to buy rooney then he should pay for rooney transfer fee and wages, I don't want rooney at arsenal because I think rooney is not right for arsenal.


Tamionelf

I think Rooney is perfect for us, I don't think we have many attacking players that scare defenders, we need an attacking player that will just run at defenders and induce a 'turtle head'

1404