Arsenal Banter Archive November 22 2014

22 Nov 2014 22:06:01
I think it was Bambam and G62 who said last week that we need to finish outside the top 4 this season to wake up the board.
1 step back to go 2 steps forward.

A lot of people disagreed, some even spat their dummies out but, everybody is entitled to their opinion.

I think they made a valid point, more so after today's debacle.

We have to stop living in the past mate and pretending to ourselves we are contenders each season and then being heartbroken when it don't happen.
Its been 5 years at least since we were really contenders and we have been pretender's rather than contender's ever since

22 Nov 2014 22:36:13
Merry Easter CTR?

22 Nov 2014 21:50:22
I don't even know where to start.

firstly, and are you watching Derbygooner and Channel Island Gooner, because I'm about to say it, Wenger needs to go.

I have been a Gooner for over 40 years, have always supported whoever was in charge, but things are beyond a joke now.

Wenger has been fantastic for Arsenal Football Club.
he has guided to us to unprecedented success, has had to compete with clubs who have oil rich sugar daddies, but has delivered us Champs League football every season and a top 4 place.

He has had to sell our best players to fund The Emirates move, whilst also maintaining a very healthy bank balance.

He has brought us global recognition and made Arsenal Football Club a worldwide household name.

He deserves his place as our greatest ever manager.
The man is a legend, but even legends have to retire.

Do I blame him solely? No, I blame the board equally.
They sit there, in almost silence, and continue to back Wenger, saying he is doing a fantastic job and can be manager for as long as he wants it.

Where is the incentive?
why are they not saying "This is not good enough."

Where is Gazidis?
Where is Usmanov?
Where is Stan Kroenke?

whether you like Abramovich, or his style of ownership. the man get's results, 11 trophies in 11 years is testament to that.

we need major change, major upheaval, but more off-field than on.

Today's match.

Absolute shambles.
If we can't beat this Manchester United team, berift of injuries, makeshift back 4 and who. like us have no leaders, than we are in serious trouble.

I remember when this fixture use to be a title decider, now it's a contest to see what one of us is only slightly worse than the other.

2 massive teams, 2 disappointments.

Before the game, I looked at the line up and thought "2-0", and that was being kind to United.

As usual, we start off like a house on fire, totally dominant, than they lose their best defender after 20 minutes, and I'm thinking "3 or 4 nil".

But, as usual, it's easy to play against Arsenal.
Soak up the pressure, than counter attack and score.

we are an absolute shambles and a disgrace.
No leaders on the pitch, no team ethic, no organisational pattern.

we are 11 individuals trying to play as a team.

Our manager is tactically naive and our assistant manager looks like a little boy who has been sent to his room.

Can one man make a difference?
Yes, for all the stick he gets, how many Wayne Rooney's do we have in our team?
The man sweats blood for Utd, he leads the line, pushes out wide, drops back to defend, breaks up play and starts attacks.

He is better than anything we have in our team, much better. Like him or hate him, the man is class.

We have 11 points fewer than this time last season.
It's our worse total, after 12 games, for 32 year's.
It's United's first away win of the season.

Like I said, I love Arsenal and will always support the manager, but it's time for a change.

Arsene, you deserve our respect, but we deserve better than this.

Well said Dags. Couldn't have put it better myself.

Thank u dags that was emotional. I knew it would of been sad this season tho. Why didn't he leave with the fa cup :(.

We can't blame usmanov he isn't allowed any involement on the board I don't think. Shame

I guess we are all just crazy fans who know nothing about the sport we love or maybe it is just so easy to see that novices like us can tell how to beat us.
I don't understand buying attacking midfielder after attacking midfielder. Yes we spent money on Ozil and Sanchez (who is immense) but it seems like we have more important needs elsewhere. I honestly feel a star defensive midfielder and a great center half to go with laurent koscielny was more necessary then Sanchez. With those two additions maybe we could have seen out most of these losses. I think Per is an intelligent and tactically a good player but he is a good third choice and that's all.

22 Nov 2014 21:32:57
Come on guys we really need to stop with the loyalty to Arsene, the board and these players. We need change big time. Any other manager IN THE WORLD would have been shown the door by now. We have had so many barren years besides last years FA cup and now we are accumulating our worst points tally to the start of season in over 30 years. Our transfer windows since 2005 have been abysmal. We are over reliant on average players and youngsters. I am all for giving the young guys a go but you need them to be mentored by top players to see them thrive in a top team, who's mentoring our youngsters Flamini? Monreal? Poldolski?

Also the Emirates is becoming a joke. We have a fantastic state of the art stadium but the atmosphere is terrible and lacks passion. Highbury used to be a fortress where the opposition would be get intimidated before they even stepped onto the pitch. Lastly, anyone who skates Uniteds performance yesterday is also delusional. Yes they weren't fantastic by any means but they have came to the home ground of a team they have set their sights on to take back a CL place and have went back North with 3 points in the bag.

Usually I am ever the optimist but unless we sort out our problems or teams above us lose form I just can't see us getting into that top 4 this year. If we didn't would our board splash the cash like United have to get back into the CL? Hell no. We can't afford to miss out on that top 4 place or we will forever be going backwards in a similar way to Spurs.

please guys it's time for boycotting or demonstrating or something like that. I just can't take this anymore.

{Ed025's Note - maybe the poll of the day should be.."in arsene wenger bigger than arsenal football club"?....

When you continue to price out the loyal fans who no longer want to pay top prices to watch that bag of poo that's what happens

I think that's a good poll to run ed. My answer would be yes. In this day and age Wenger is bigger than Arsenal and that is a problem, a huge problem.

That's true Derby. Maybe the fans aren't as passionate at the game because they are worrying about how they are going to cover their morgage payments in the coming month because they've spent their money on a few home games. We need to restructure big time!

22 Nov 2014 20:33:52
Heading home after the game

Few thoughts.

Mike Dean returns to form- how Fellaini stayed on I will never know and Deans overall performance was poor as usual.

They had 1 shot on target but managed 2 goals whereas we had 10 on target but somehow put most bf them straight at de gea. Whilst we were clearly the better team we lost because of an unlucky deflection and bad finishing. I can't get angry after that performance, just disappointed

Thought Arteta was our best player today. He does a lot of the necessary but unseen work to keep us ticking over. Monreal did well too

Di Maria - £60m. Really!!! Sorry he's good but nowhere worth that kind of money and I am so glad we've got Sanchez instead

Many on here including those in the poll were saying this is the worst Man U side for years. they just beat us, don't blame the ref and lucky deflections.

They have done us again, we can't even beat one of the so called 'big' sides even when they are at their lowest.

22 Nov 2014 20:48:58
Yeh that's why u lost lol.

{Ed025's Note - fair retort chris..and yes you did win mate..but even you cant be happy with that performance fella...

22 Nov 2014 21:24:06
I will let the 3 points cover my dissatisfaction that we didn't totally outplay arsenal to win ed 😃.


Im always happy when we win.

{Ed025's Note - it was a good result for you chris, but the result is only papering over the cracks mate, i know you are in transition but i have to say this is the poorest utd side i can recall..

Well done today Chris mate, my £10 on its way to Magpas.
To the victor the spoils, enjoy mate

22 Nov 2014 22:35:33
I donated 10 last week g62 and would of donated again today had we lost( I'll say out of confidence) it's a good cause mate and 1 I fully support.

Soopergunner, the only positive to come out of this game is that man u are desperately poor as well. There are no positives for us.

22 Nov 2014 20:22:18
Were only 7 points off 3rd place city but equally we're only 7 points off Burnley in 18th.
Flipping a coin is as good as indicator as any to who we'll finish closer to come May at the moment but the smart money says we'll nick the 4ty place trophy on the last day of the season as per usual.
Things are bad at the moment I know but we're not that bad yet compared to a lot of average teams this season time is still on our side, just

G62

You have hit the nail on the head in one line

We are not that bad compared to average sides. about right.

We are comparing ourselves to average side

{Ed025's Note - thats because you are an average side BG, arsenal, everton, liverpool, utd, spurs...all average...chelsea are miles ahead, with city below them, then the average joe,s i have mentioned, then the over achievers like saints, swans and the barcodes..dont take yourselves too serious guys, the league is over so just enjoy the rollercoaster like the rest of us..you are one of us now, welcome to mediocrity my friends.. :)

It is our worst points tally over the first 12 games for 32 years apprantly.

Chelsea are already 15 points ahead and we already have zero chance of catching them.

For a club Like Arsenal it is just not good enough. Sure Manchester United are not much better but they are going through a transitional stage after losing Fergie and losing quite a few experienced players. You just know in a couple of seasons Utd will get it right and be challenging again.

With us god knows, just were are we going knowhere it seems and with other teams improving our place at the top table is under serious threat?. We have gone stale and need change which starts with the Manager. We are now going backwards under Wenger.

Ed your 100% on the money mate, that is exactly where we are.
As you say there's chavs at the top of the ladder city 3/4 the way up and the best of the he rest locked in that fight for the 2 remaining CL places, that's our level and we do need to get over ourselfs and living off what we were 10 long years ago.
We have the potential to be more but who doesn't?

{Ed025's Note - i just hope the guys dont think i was being patronising G62, it is my honest opinion of where the teams stand, im sure some will disagree but thats life mate..

22 Nov 2014 22:00:29
Ed,

Whether people like it or not, or even whether they agree with you, that's the best post of the day so far.

You are totally correct mate.

Ed I think we all have far to much respect for you and your opinionto ever think that mate, its a fair call and the sooner we accept it the happier we will be.
I very much include myself there, we are not players we are wanna be players just like the other teams you've mentioned

22 Nov 2014 19:57:33
Same s**t different day. Everyone could see that second coming apart from the players and arsene. If you compare the invincibles to this team stylistically it's completely different. The invincibles were about strength, power, pace and simple football. This team has no power no strength has pace but doesn't use it correctly and over plays everything.

Why would we not follow the model of our best team? Makes no sense!

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Wenger got blinded By the Barcelona/ Spanish way and decided that was the way to play no matter what and broke up a winning team and way of playing. He went from players of strength pace and power as you say to small technical ball players we just have far to many of these now.

The problem is our players are just not good enough to play as well as Barcelona can and it is style that just gets bulldozed by the strength and power of the EPL. We have been left behind and not adapted quick enough.


Wenger is just too stubborn and set in his ways unfortuatly he will never be sacked so he would have to leave on his terms. I only hope that we don't slide down too much while he is still in charge.

Agree with you ryan. We are a budget barca who don't want to press or defend as a team as that great barca team did. I mean even they had a keita, toure or busquets. Wenger has taken the attacking aspect of that team but not the defensive and for the first season ever I've wanted wenger gone.

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22 Nov 2014 19:48:43
I am so done!

I have been an Arsenal fan since I can remember, but I have far better things to do with my weekends and weekday nights than watching this pathetic excuse for a team fail to perform, week in week out.

As soon as Rooney gave Utd their FIRST shot on target, for their SECOND goal, I thought maybe I should go home and get ready for work, so I left the pub. And now I'm going to be working until 2am in an absolutely foul mood thanks to that shambles.

This season I gotten ZERO enjoyment out of watching Arsenal. That's a first for me, and a sign that my beloved club has hit a new all time low. And the fact that we can go one down at home to United, when they haven't even had a shot on target is just horrendous! We should have been 3-4 up by half time, but thanks to the woeful finishing of every player except Giroud, we lost a game that we could have bossed from the kick off! We had over 20 sodding attempts and could barely even work the keeper until Giroud came one! It's just not right.

Therefore, until I know I will be able to enjoy watching us play, win, lose or draw, I'm not going out of my way to watch us play. I'm going to have to scramble to get some food and get to work on time after this rant, and it's just becoming an inconvenience to me more thank anything else of late.

I will always support this club, and will never abandon it, but for now. I'm so done with this b*******!

Also, as good as Alexis has been. He needs to learn how to pass the ball wide when the full backs are overlapping. You can't cut inside every bloody time!

Dags, you can't seriously still be on the fence after this mate!

23 Nov 2014 04:54:08
Im sorry to say this, but I totally agree with you. I get no enjoyment from watching us play anymore. Out of 16 or so games this season, i'd say Burnley and Galatasaray were the only two I enjoyed. All the rest have ended in disapointment or been too stressful,

22 Nov 2014 19:43:54
What on earth, was that pile of dog dirt. We are a joke and wenger is getting undone. What sort of manager allows a team that is so dominant in a game be so wide open. How can people still say wenger is the man, they are blind to the fact he's inept and his tactics are damaging. The players on the pitch need coaching, they are not getting it. 32 attempts 2 for mu, 1-0 up and no attempts on target for them what does that say. Yet another game the oposition didn't win we gifted them it. We threw anther game away with poor decisions.

{Ed025's Note - that was championship football at its best steve, not much quality there im afraid mate..

22 Nov 2014 19:40:36
So many chances missed in the 1st half knew it was going to come back and haunt us. we are in bigger trouble then we think.

22 Nov 2014 19:33:30
Que Chris the red man lol

{Ed025's Note - oh god no!..

22 Nov 2014 19:30:58
Move Wenger on, aside, make him groundsman, even work on the gates. We need a fresher approach the man is clueless, he is one dimensional

Banbury for everyone's sake he's got to go, but we all know HE WON'T.

22 Nov 2014 20:32:40
Apologies if wrong but I'm sure both of you i've had debates with about arsene in the past and I must hold my hands up and admit he isn't progressing us anymore. pains me to see it. It worries me the mess we are in. Who can sort this out I have no idea! Do we wait until the season is done? Have a feeling it'll take 3 more years until change. He is ruining his own legacy

22 Nov 2014 19:24:38
Oh look who has scored

The rubbish bloke

Well done Giroud, you have been missed, too late though sadly.

He had a positive cameo just come on too late we will at least now be stronger team with him as our sprearhead. No disrespect to Wellbeck but for me Giroud is still or main striker, Wellbeck for a wider striker role.

22 Nov 2014 18:25:07
The united defence because of their inuries looks so poor it makes ours look like Dixon Adams Bould Wnterburn reivented.
We should be 3 up but never mind all's well that ends well, I hope

22 Nov 2014 18:08:52
Wow united are shockingly bad! I thought we had problems

We have

Both sides poor defensivly just Manchester United are still a lot more ruthless and efficient in front of goal than us and more tactically street wise you might say.

I used to get annoyed when fans of other clubs used to say this but now I can't help it myself ' same old Arsenal'😞

22 Nov 2014 15:27:08
Nice goal by bony red dog. Big game player sign him up.

22 Nov 2014 09:47:54
I think if we are lucky it will end 2-2

If we defend like 7 year olds it could 2-4

{Ed025's Note - ever the optimist BG..

If I was betting my house I'd go 2 2 as well mate, but funny enough I've a sneaky feeling for 4 2 to Arsenal.
Its a must win game for us for lots of reasons
We desperately need to beat a team of top 4 calibre and a draw will do little to increase optimism levels so I thinketh we'll go for it and get away with it today for a change.
We have to attack their terrible defence to protect our terrible defence if that makes any sense :-)

22 Nov 2014 12:16:31
Top 4? Not on the evidence. I'd like to beat them because they've been a hoodoo team for us for a few years. We need to break that hoodoo and move on.

They'll spend big again in January yc to sort out their defensive woes so I think top 4 is highly likely for them this season then back into top 2/3 next simply because they'll do what it takes to get there, sadly

22 Nov 2014 13:50:33
No way, Van Gaal said it will take three seasons for Man United to achieve anywhere near the success of previous and I don't think top 4 is likely this season for them by a long chalk. RVP doesn't have long left in him, it's anyone's guess whether Falcao will be the player he can be again during this season's 20m loan - oh, and they've sold Welbeck.

We do need to win this one though, no excuses for not playing for the result.

{Ed025's Note - they still have some good players though mate...i see it as a score draw myself..

Yeah they do have some good players but I just wouldn't call them a top four team right now.

Even in Moyes' season we didn't manage to beat them though so I am in no way saying the victory is in the bag, especially since our season is hardly going swimmingly either.

22 Nov 2014 17:10:03
Ever the optimist, I'm going to go for a convincing 2-0 Arsenal victory.

{Ed025's Note - love it dags..

22 Nov 2014 18:24:19
It wasn't a joke Ed, lol

{Ed025's Note - both teams were a joke dags...a piss poor utd side beat a toothless arsenal side with very little quality mate..